Drones spy on old car collections
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https://reason.com/2023/06/05/michi...an-warrantlessly-spy-on-you-with-drones/sample quote Todd and Heather Maxon live on a five-acre property in rural Long Lake Township on the northwest corner of Michigan's Lower Peninsula. Todd likes to work on cars, so they keep vehicles on the property but hidden from the road. In 2007, the township sued the Maxons for storing "junk" on their property, a zoning violation. The couple fought back and won: The township agreed to drop the case and reimburse attorney fees, and in exchange the Maxons would not expand their collection. According to the township, neighbors complained that the Maxons were still acquiring cars. But the cars weren't visible from the road, making enforcement difficult. So the township hired a company to fly drones over the property and take pictures, which it did multiple times in the period from 2010 to 2018. The pictures allegedly showed that the number of vehicles had indeed expanded, so the township sued the Maxons for violating the previous agreement. The Maxons moved to suppress the drone evidence as a Fourth Amendment violation, since the township never got a warrant. end quote
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A .177 cal air rifle would fix those drones.
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There was a television show called Carspotting where a group of young men used drones to look for project cars and would then go to the property and try to buy the cars. I know the city I live in has two drones and will probably be using them to see what people have in their yards. I have resorted to stacking the cars inside the garage. I still have five outside, three in trailers ,and four at my friends house.
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A .177 cal air rifle would fix those drones. it will but may also cause you a bunch of legal issues shooting something out of the air like that.
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A .177 cal air rifle would fix those drones. it will but may also cause you a bunch of legal issues shooting something out of the air like that. Depends on if it's broadcasting images Live, or recording for later retrieval by owners..
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I have been a radio control airplane modeler for many years. Honestly I don't like drones at all because everyone in the hobby is now lumped into the same boat and criminalized the same way. I fly line of sight at an AMA ( Academy of Model Aeronautics) approved field. We have a list of rules we abide by and in the eyes of the feds none of that mattered at all. Pretty soon if someone wants to fly ANY model that weighs more than 250 grams they will have to use a transponder in the model that will transmit the operator's location and information, or face a hefty fine. And yes there is a difference between a r/c model aircraft ( think scale piper cub) and a quadcopter with a damn camera attached to it. The government however, classifies them in the exact same way.
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A .177 cal air rifle would fix those drones. it will but may also cause you a bunch of legal issues shooting something out of the air like that. I support Car Nut on this one. If some dippshit was flying one over my place low enough for me to shoot it, I'd do it and dump the drone somewhere else...in case it had some GPS tracker on it. Good luck proving that I did it. This state doesn't prosecute misdemeanors anymore.....I might as well work the system to my advantage.
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A .177 cal air rifle would fix those drones. it will but may also cause you a bunch of legal issues shooting something out of the air like that. I support Car Nut on this one. If some dippshit was flying one over my place low enough for me to shoot it, I'd do it and dump the drone somewhere else...in case it had some GPS tracker on it. Good luck proving that I did it. This state doesn't prosecute misdemeanors anymore.....I might as well work the system to my advantage.
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A .177 cal air rifle would fix those drones. it will but may also cause you a bunch of legal issues shooting something out of the air like that. I support Car Nut on this one. If some dippshit was flying one over my place low enough for me to shoot it, I'd do it and dump the drone somewhere else...in case it had some GPS tracker on it. Good luck proving that I did it. This state doesn't prosecute misdemeanors anymore.....I might as well work the system to my advantage. I'm all in favor of knocking down a drone being flown by some creepy peeping Tom. The problem with shooting it is that it's potentially a Federal offense, not some local misdemeanor. You do not want the Feds knocking at your door.
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To a point I understand the issue of vehicles in the yard creating an eyesore for neighbors. My dad was a VW mechanic, and as a kid I recall some old VWs in the back yard (typical small house yard, 60x120), thinking it looked crappy. When I had a house in a small town, and too much "stuff", I eventually built a large enough garage to contain it all. Same for my current house. I have eleven motorcycles and they are all contained in my detached shop and in the yard shed. I live in a nice neighborhood about 1.5 mile west of Lambeau field in Green Bay. Keeping the area nice looking is good for everyone.
But the issue of privacy is bigger. Police cannot enter my home or shop without probablt cause and a warrant. So now the air space above my property may become a privacy issue as well. If I had a wife or daughter who liked to sun bathe in a swimming suit, or hang around the back yard pool, and some drone is hovering over my yard, at whatever distance, that is a huge issue. Similarily, if the city in which I pay taxes for publis serivce and safety, is now using tech to check in on my property without me giving persmission, that is a huge issue. At minimum the fly over hieght should be just under the minimum FAA hieght for planes, which I think is 500'.
Sure, go on Google Earth and check out your own yard, or get a street view of your house just by typing in your address, I have done it many times. To the point I can tell approximately how recent the image of my house and yard is. But to fly over my property specifically to check out what is no easily/commonly visible from any public passerby is a violation of privacy.
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If you have to fly a drone over the property to even see these cars, then what's the problem w/ them?
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I have the cars that are outside the building covered in camouflage tarps.
70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi
70 Charger R/T convertible
70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack
69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar
68 Charger 383
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70 Challenger convertible
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71 Cuda 340
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