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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3142602
05/04/23 09:57 PM
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In my younger years I put in a couple of shift kits and swapped torque convertors. No real experience. I paid a shop to rebuild a 727 I had to put into a restored 'Cuda I was doing. The transmission worked for a while, then started slipping in high gear and eventually wouldn't shift into 3rd at all. I drained the fluid and it was clear, not burnt. I called the shop that built the transmission, they said send it back. I had moved by then so that was 300 miles away now. I said, what the hell and bought the Monroe book and started taking the transmission apart. I found the issue was a bad front drum. The seal was getting eaten up over a casting flaw that must have been there since day one. I totally rebuilt this transmission with no prior experience and it still works beautifully 20 years later. I am no professional mechanic, just followed Monroe's directions. Very straightforward and clear. Go for it. Tear that unit down, and you'll learn so much and gain so much confidence. I have rebuilt several since then for myself and friends, and they have all gone well.

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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: 469runner] #3142631
05/05/23 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 469runner
I I am no professional mechanic, just followed Monroe's directions.


I wish all the how-to books were as good as Munroe's.


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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: moparx] #3142634
05/05/23 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by moparx
a 727 or 904 transmission is pretty easy to rebuild.
just pick up a copy of the Monroe book, plus a manual from the ATSG for your transmission.
then get the upgrade parts you need or want, and have at.
if i can do one, anyone can. boogie
beer

When everyone mentions the Monroe Book is this the one?
Could not find "Monroe"...
https://www.themotorbookstore.com/torqueflite-a-727-transmission-handbook.html

Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: twinscrew698] #3142638
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That book you posted the link to that says Carl H. Munroe at the bottom of it .... YEAH... that is it biggrin

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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: Rapid588] #3142639
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The Tom Hand - Chrysler Torqueflite book is also REALLY an excellent book to get
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/chrysler-torqueflite-a904-a727-tom-hand/1141062664



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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3142647
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: twinscrew698] #3142690
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Originally Posted by twinscrew698
Originally Posted by moparx
a 727 or 904 transmission is pretty easy to rebuild.
just pick up a copy of the Monroe book, plus a manual from the ATSG for your transmission.
then get the upgrade parts you need or want, and have at.
if i can do one, anyone can. boogie
beer

When everyone mentions the Monroe Book is this the one?
Could not find "Monroe"...
https://www.themotorbookstore.com/torqueflite-a-727-transmission-handbook.html



i should have posted a link for that. sorry.........
the other thing to keep in mind, is "cleanliness is next to God....."
in other words, keep everything CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN ! boogie
beer

Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: Rapid588] #3142715
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Originally Posted by Rapid588
That book you posted the link to that says Carl H. Munroe at the bottom of it .... YEAH... that is it biggrin

Thank You!

Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: moparx] #3142716
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Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by twinscrew698
Originally Posted by moparx
a 727 or 904 transmission is pretty easy to rebuild.
just pick up a copy of the Monroe book, plus a manual from the ATSG for your transmission.
then get the upgrade parts you need or want, and have at.
if i can do one, anyone can. boogie
beer

When everyone mentions the Monroe Book is this the one?
Could not find "Monroe"...
https://www.themotorbookstore.com/torqueflite-a-727-transmission-handbook.html



i should have posted a link for that. sorry.........
the other thing to keep in mind, is "cleanliness is next to God....."
in other words, keep everything CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN ! boogie
beer

All good and Thanks

Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: twinscrew698] #3142878
05/06/23 06:50 PM
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Back to the original topic


John Cope from CRT transmission is Lowell Indiana built a 904 transmission that had ZERO chance to work , he installed the wrong parts , he even out the rear clutch in backwards ,,

wrong convertor, wrong pump , wrong input shaft

I called him to speak about it , he yelled send it back and hung up on me

close to $5000 , gone ,

Nice way to treat a customer


Be careful dealing with people that treat you like this if you have a problem ,


John Cope , you should be ashamed of your work , your product and yourself.


The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3142959
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Originally Posted by bigdad
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John Cope from CRT transmission is Lowell Indiana built a 904 transmission that had ZERO chance to work , he installed the wrong parts , he even out the rear clutch in backwards ,,

wrong convertor, wrong pump , wrong input shaft

I called him to speak about it , he yelled send it back and hung up on me

close to $5000 , gone ,

Nice way to treat a customer


Be careful dealing with people that treat you like this if you have a problem ,


John Cope , you should be ashamed of your work , your product and yourself.


Do you have any pictures of this disaster? How could the rear clutch have been put in backwards?


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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: moparx] #3142973
05/07/23 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by moparx
[quote=twinscrew698][quote=moparx]
the other thing to keep in mind, is "cleanliness is next to God....."
in other words, keep everything CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN ! boogie
beer
iagree Race parts assembling is like brain surgery, it is fricking absolutely impossible to keep it to clean up work


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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: Harry's Taxi 2] #3143009
05/07/23 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Harry's Taxi 2
Originally Posted by bigdad
Back to the original topic


John Cope from CRT transmission is Lowell Indiana built a 904 transmission that had ZERO chance to work , he installed the wrong parts , he even out the rear clutch in backwards ,,

wrong convertor, wrong pump , wrong input shaft

I called him to speak about it , he yelled send it back and hung up on me

close to $5000 , gone ,

Nice way to treat a customer


Be careful dealing with people that treat you like this if you have a problem ,


John Cope , you should be ashamed of your work , your product and yourself.


Do you have any pictures of this disaster? How could the rear clutch have been put in backwards?

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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3143014
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3143015
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3143052
05/07/23 03:04 PM
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One of the first "race " converters I bought had the pump snout not centered by .003 or so, it would leak a little when revved up or driving it above 1500 RPM whineyrant puke
My message is I had it replaced and used it until I sold that car scope up

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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3143065
05/07/23 04:11 PM
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That is 1 crazy looking pump drive extension like it was for a 3/8" mid plate. I gave up on CRT also
Originally Posted by bigdad
more junk


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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3143086
05/07/23 06:51 PM
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So, the slotted hub will fit in a pump designed for a hub with flats? Who installed the converter?

Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: justinp61] #3143088
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I'd box that stuff up and send it to him!


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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems [Re: bigdad] #3143092
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Another reason NOT to "send it back": despite the messages exchanged, it may arrive COD for both the shipping and the repairs.
What do you do now?
If you refuse it, you've lost everything.
If you accept it, you may get the same garbage back, again!


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