Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
[Re: JERICOGTX]
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Nothing "bush league" about this thread, just the reality of shoddy workmanship, more moparts cancel culture and how people got taken for a ride. Can i put the car with the BB Cope Trans on the trailer and send it down to Johnstown PA and you will fix it for free? Figure a full day of labor If it can be fixed that is.... I will send trans fluid/filter/gasket and valve body parts with the car
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
[Re: JERICOGTX]
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Why in the world are we discussing this here? If you have a problem with CRT take it up with them. Work it out. None of us caused it, and none of us know the complete story. I don't knpw John Cope, and I don't know you. If he has poor business practices it will show and his business will suffer. I've been racing over years, and have certainly had some bad experiences. But, I work it out with them. Frankly, airing a business dispute on a board like this is Bush League. The biggest purpose of boards like these are to save people from being screwed over... As for the PTC converter, after seeing the shop filmed on "Fastest Cars of the Dirty South", I wouldn't buy anything from them... What a mess. I appreciate it when someone isn't afraid to "out" someone as a hack and steer me from doing business w/ them. I had a similar situation here many years ago and caught a lot of crap for it, but it is what it is. I've only gotten parts from Cope, no issues, but his attitude sucks. I have a friend that had issues w/ a complete CRT built trans. I agree on PTC converters also. I had one years ago...no more.
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
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Why in the world are we discussing this here? If you have a problem with CRT take it up with them. Work it out. None of us caused it, and none of us know the complete story. I don't knpw John Cope, and I don't know you. If he has poor business practices it will show and his business will suffer. I've been racing over years, and have certainly had some bad experiences. But, I work it out with them. Frankly, airing a business dispute on a board like this is Bush League. In case you weren't aware, nowadays people use the internet to research before making important purchases. A lack of negative feedback on a business might be interpreted as an OK business record. Plus, I don't see why you would care that perhaps a future transmission buyer is able to read of past experiences with this particular company and have that information in order to make an informed choice that may potentially save them time, money, grief. Are you saying you youself would rather be in the dark on a business before sending them lots of money for something? Hard to understand your perspective here.
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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"Send it back"? Right, now he has the transmission and your money. Guess where this goes?
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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"Difficulty with staff" The goal of every sole proprietor business is to hire someone to do the work, the profit is the difference between the price paid and his salary. If the transition from "hired" to "expert" is too soon (like week #2) and he screws up, it doesn't work. They all do this: the gunk boy from BOCES built your 904.
Why is it slow? He has a girlfriend, another business, outstanding warrants, bankruptcy, drinking problem, divorce.
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
[Re: polyspheric]
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"Send it back"? Right, now he has the transmission and your money. Guess where this goes? That is how I felt , sending it back really was never an option , it was just a way for him to escape his responsibility. I also wanted to find out exactly what was wrong inside the transmission from a 3rd party examination. Worse than expected, more or less, nothing was right about it .. he took my money, tossed a bunch of mismatched stuff in a case and shipped it to me, and took my money, wasn't just one small thing wrong, , it is a list of things ,
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
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I'm sure he is reading the post
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
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I'm sure he is reading the post Thanks for posting this thread. I've considered going to him several years ago and was told not to back then. Although by the sounds of him and the way this individual addresses people, I wouldn't have patronized his establishment. I actually follow his page on social media but don't pay attention what's posted. I've dealt with one shady individual from this hobby and one was too much.
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
[Re: bigdad]
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No personal experience, but... The police, prosecutor, etc. are not interested, because no crime has been committed*. An attorney may well cost more than the money you lost, and take years to reach a trial date. As they see it, he didn't keep his promise, but you cannot even prove that without a contract or at least e-mails. NO phone conversation is a contract. Trust nothing you cannot prove. * This is where language in accusations becomes dangerous. Failure to keep a promise, even a written contract**, is not criminal. "Fraud" requires proof of intent prior to the transaction. Difficult to prove, and legally prosecutable to the accuser and civilly recoverable by the vendor as slander/libel. ** Both parties' signatures on the same document, setting forth the terms including dates, performance, price, penalties, etc. Notarized as an "acknowledgement", not an affidavit and not "under oath". Here's my humorous remarks on another shop problem: http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/auto-body.htm
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
[Re: polyspheric]
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I appreciate the thread being here.
People shouldn't be afraid to post when a business does not treat them right.
Knowing who to avoid is very valuable information and not easy to come by.
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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"Difficulty with staff" The goal of every sole proprietor business is to hire someone to do the work, the profit is the difference between the price paid and his salary. If the transition from "hired" to "expert" is too soon (like week #2) and he screws up, it doesn't work. They all do this: the gunk boy from BOCES built your 904.
Why is it slow? He has a girlfriend, another business, outstanding warrants, bankruptcy, drinking problem, divorce. You hit the nail on the head. I run my own small business, and decided a long time ago it was easier to keep things a one man operation to maintain good service. Any help I previously hired either turned out to be not very helpful, or left in short order starting their own business and attempting to steal clients.
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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If it was me getting screwed over I would be hitting all my Mopar Facebook groups. He had his chance to make it right.
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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"Difficulty with staff" The goal of every sole proprietor business is to hire someone to do the work, the profit is the difference between the price paid and his salary. If the transition from "hired" to "expert" is too soon (like week #2) and he screws up, it doesn't work. They all do this: the gunk boy from BOCES built your 904.
Why is it slow? He has a girlfriend, another business, outstanding warrants, bankruptcy, drinking problem, divorce. You hit the nail on the head. I run my own small business, and decided a long time ago it was easier to keep things a one man operation to maintain good service. Any help I previously hired either turned out to be not very helpful, or left in short order starting their own business and attempting to steal clients. Will 36 years in February for me being a one man band. I seen so many things screwed up over the years by someone's "help" I decided that it wasn't worth it for me to try and teach someone how to do it the way I have all these years so I just put in the hours and do it all myself. But I am getting to the point I can't go 100 mph with my hair on fire each day anymore, so I don't know what the future will hold. I was going to post that maybe the guys he has working for him aren't very good too the other day when this all started. I have a couple manufacturers that I have dealt with issues the last few years and they only had one guy in the whole plant working awhile back, , or didn't even have material to build what I wanted.... Things really got screwed up after covid.
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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If it was me getting screwed over I would be hitting all my Mopar Facebook groups. He had his chance to make it right.
I am going to after I get it working , if that ever happens .. Parts are supposed to arrive tomorrow to try again to straighten the mess out
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from
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"Difficulty with staff" The goal of every sole proprietor business is to hire someone to do the work, the profit is the difference between the price paid and his salary. If the transition from "hired" to "expert" is too soon (like week #2) and he screws up, it doesn't work. They all do this: the gunk boy from BOCES built your 904.
Why is it slow? He has a girlfriend, another business, outstanding warrants, bankruptcy, drinking problem, divorce. You hit the nail on the head. I run my own small business, and decided a long time ago it was easier to keep things a one man operation to maintain good service. Any help I previously hired either turned out to be not very helpful, or left in short order starting their own business and attempting to steal clients. Will 36 years in February for me being a one man band. I seen so many things screwed up over the years by someone's "help" I decided that it wasn't worth it for me to try and teach someone how to do it the way I have all these years so I just put in the hours and do it all myself. But I am getting to the point I can't go 100 mph with my hair on fire each day anymore, so I don't know what the future will hold. I was going to post that maybe the guys he has working for him aren't very good too the other day when this all started. I have a couple manufacturers that I have dealt with issues the last few years and they only had one guy in the whole plant working awhile back, , or didn't even have material to build what I wanted.... Things really got screwed up after covid. If he so chose to say anything near that , or be remorseful in any way I'd be understanding. all he would have to do is help with the bills or refund me part of the initial expense of everything since I did not get what I paid for but, it looks intentional that he did it knowingly.
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
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I'm sure he is reading the post Thanks for posting this thread. I've considered going to him several years ago and was told not to back then. Although by the sounds of him and the way this individual addresses people, I wouldn't have patronized his establishment. I actually follow his page on social media but don't pay attention what's posted. I've dealt with one shady individual from this hobby and one was too much. agreed
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: My John Cope CRT racing transmission problems
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FWIW frankly i dont mind hearing the stories of failed exchanges. when you hear enough of them in support of the initial complaint and they are well-chronicled it serves me as a good warning. as long as its someone else with the problem .. lol by time its all over the whole thing will cost me double the original price looks like
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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