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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3136894
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Originally Posted by bigdad
if its so easy, then why did a pro builder fail to put it together correctly ?


Why did a pro builder fail to put a TF together correctly? Who turns out the light when the refrigerator door closes? Where does the fire go when it goes out? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Answer to all of the above, who knows.


"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: 6PakBee] #3136902
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I saw your post on forabodiesonly last week about this same issue. John replied to that post telling his side of the story, I will cut and paste that below. Sounds like John tried to make it right, but you refused to give him the chance. Also, how is it possible to put the sprag in "backwards"? The outer cam is riveted to the case, and the inner race can go either way. The springs and rollers really can only go in one way. Something sounds fishy about that.

John's reply on forabodiesonly......

When Darrel notified me that there was a problem with his 904 transmission I immediately got in touch with the technician that was working on the car for him to help troubleshoot it. The transmission had no forward gears and after some over the phone diagnosis it was apparent that the transmission would need to be removed from the car to be looked at. Understandably, Darrel wasn’t happy with that news. I apologized and assured him that I would make it right. I told him that I would pay for the shipping to have the transmission sent back to my shop, make whatever repairs were necessary, and then ship the transmission back to him within a couple days of when it arrived, all at absolutely no cost to him. During our phone conversation I made that offer to him at least 4 times, all while he was yelling at me, interrupting me every few words, and being totally unreasonable. I finally told him to cool off for 24 hours and call me back the next day so we could discuss it and I hung up the phone. I never heard back from him until he emailed me a link to this post. I totally understand that he is upset that his transmission has problems, I would be upset too if the situation was reversed. I tried to do what I could to resolve the situation, but he refused to even have a rational conversation with me about it.

Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: Dodger440] #3136909
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The answer why I wouldn;t send it back is simple


Its been a problem since day 1 and he would of made it my fault .. no way I was going to let him touch it again


The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3136919
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I have had two converters spec’ed and a 727 built by John. Last year I bought the DIY 904 kit. Both converters were spot on and the 727 lasted 50,000+ street miles and 1000+ passes. I had a question about the 904 band adjustment which he answered when I called him. I have heard that in the recent past he has had difficulty with staff. I know one 727 that was screwed from the beginning. I believe as we all get older it becomes difficult to keep up with the volume. Which is his stated reason for not building transmission’s and focusing on parts development. I personally have only had positive results with him. Sorry you had issues.


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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3136920
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here is a picture of the caller info on my phone, just how much yelling do you think I got in in maybe 30-40 seconds ?

Call in entirety is 2.09 and it started timing as soon as I dial phone

I never yelled , I was asking simple questions .. he avoided my questions by hanging up, now who in their right mind would work with someone like that ?

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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3136922
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Here is why I won't yell in the office , see how close one of my CSR people sit to me .. thats my office door and its always open

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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: Dodger440] #3136928
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Originally Posted by Dodger440
I saw your post on forabodiesonly last week about this same issue. John replied to that post telling his side of the story, I will cut and paste that below. Sounds like John tried to make it right, but you refused to give him the chance. Also, how is it possible to put the sprag in "backwards"? The outer cam is riveted to the case, and the inner race can go either way. The springs and rollers really can only go in one way. Something sounds fishy about that.

John's reply on forabodiesonly......

When Darrel notified me that there was a problem with his 904 transmission I immediately got in touch with the technician that was working on the car for him to help troubleshoot it. The transmission had no forward gears and after some over the phone diagnosis it was apparent that the transmission would need to be removed from the car to be looked at. Understandably, Darrel wasn’t happy with that news. I apologized and assured him that I would make it right. I told him that I would pay for the shipping to have the transmission sent back to my shop, make whatever repairs were necessary, and then ship the transmission back to him within a couple days of when it arrived, all at absolutely no cost to him. During our phone conversation I made that offer to him at least 4 times, all while he was yelling at me, interrupting me every few words, and being totally unreasonable. I finally told him to cool off for 24 hours and call me back the next day so we could discuss it and I hung up the phone. I never heard back from him until he emailed me a link to this post. I totally understand that he is upset that his transmission has problems, I would be upset too if the situation was reversed. I tried to do what I could to resolve the situation, but he refused to even have a rational conversation with me about it.


Speaking to the ORC issue - you can load the springs and rollers incorrectly - which negates the ORC function. But you have to be almost asleep to do it.

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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: A727Tflite] #3136930
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and, as far as my call timer ..forgot , I held for him for a large portion of that call


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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: Chris G.] #3136956
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Originally Posted by Chris G.
I recommend talking to this gentlemen. Honest. Builds a great product.

https://www.andrewsracingtrans.com/


I had recently heard of him. When you posted this link I shot him an email early Sunday morning with a couple of questions. He responded to me on Sunday Morning and perfectly answered my question. He will be getting my business for trans parts in the future.


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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: Chris G.] #3136981
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I can vouch for Andrews Transmissions. He rebuilt the pushbutton 727 for my 64. Nice guy and the trans
is still going strong after 15 years. No strip time but I beat the piss out of it on the street.

Britt

Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3137243
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Originally Posted by bigdad
if its so easy, then why did a pro builder fail to put it together correctly ?


Some people bring in help when they get swamped and don't check the work of the helpers. I built my first 727 when I was 15 years old and close to 30 more since then and all you need to do is pay attention to details and you will have success. The only failures I had was when the owner installed the converter the wrong way, not being careful with the alignment and damaging the pump bushing or the drive lugs.

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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: fourgearsavoy] #3137249
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I got set up a few years back to build 727 transmissions. Bought a few tools, made a couple of fixtures and learned how to put them together. But then I got a little bit lost on some of the various permutations of seals and splines and decided that I wasn't quite ready to build parts for other guys since I didn't really know how to deal with a basket of random parts. I didn't have any problem taking a factory trans apart and putting it back together but if a guy brought me a box of parts pulled from different transmissions from different years then I was in over my head.

Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: AndyF] #3137285
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Sorry for your trouble BigDad.
This is a little off topic but, I’m a mechanic for 40 yrs, never rebuilt transmissions. I once broke pump gears in a 904 and swapped parts from a /6 904, worked great. In 2011 I bought my wife a new Mercedes, V6 AWD. Salesman asked if I wanted extended warranty, I said no I’m a mechanic.……. who needs a warranty. 2 years 2 months later it’s out of warranty. Trans starts going bad. Mercedes says $10k to replace. Can only put in a new trans, can’t repair it, or reprogram a used one, so can’t get one from a wreck. I was so pissed I let car sit 8 months. Borrowed a car from a family member for wife. One day I decided to tear it apart. Laid everything out nice on a tarp on garage floor. Found bad parts, but can’t buy the parts in US. Mercedes had lock on parts. I tracked parts down from a bearing number and was able to get everything i needed from a trans guy in France !!! I put it all back together and it was perfect. Kept it for years and eventually sold it to a friend of a friend. It’s still going strong today. I believe it was under $500 for parts imported from France and $250-300 for the Mercedes trans fluid they were nice enough to sell me where I bought the car.

Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3137336
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I feel for ya. Back in June of 2019, I posted a thread about John's workmanship, with a picture or 2, on my 48RE tranny. He also replied to my post, eventually. Blamed his "employee" for the F##kup's, yes Plural, and then said he offered to make it right. He originally agreed to pay for the converter swap, because he sent incorrect one, twice. Then after I had bought the correct one myself and had it swapped, he offered to pay me a couple hundred bucks for the mess. Claimed I wasnt nice, so I wasnt nice after that. I try and call him every once in a while, just to see how he is doing, for old times sake. Jim.


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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: B1duster] #3137337
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Originally Posted by B1duster
Sorry for your trouble BigDad.
This is a little off topic but, I’m a mechanic for 40 yrs, never rebuilt transmissions. I once broke pump gears in a 904 and swapped parts from a /6 904, worked great. In 2011 I bought my wife a new Mercedes, V6 AWD. Salesman asked if I wanted extended warranty, I said no I’m a mechanic.……. who needs a warranty. 2 years 2 months later it’s out of warranty. Trans starts going bad. Mercedes says $10k to replace. Can only put in a new trans, can’t repair it, or reprogram a used one, so can’t get one from a wreck. I was so pissed I let car sit 8 months. Borrowed a car from a family member for wife. One day I decided to tear it apart. Laid everything out nice on a tarp on garage floor. Found bad parts, but can’t buy the parts in US. Mercedes had lock on parts. I tracked parts down from a bearing number and was able to get everything i needed from a trans guy in France !!! I put it all back together and it was perfect. Kept it for years and eventually sold it to a friend of a friend. It’s still going strong today. I believe it was under $500 for parts imported from France and $250-300 for the Mercedes trans fluid they were nice enough to sell me where I bought the car.


I salute and envy your skill level. HOWEVER......Your experience is one of many for NOT purchasing a German automobile! (Unless one has the willingness and $$$$$$ to tend to all those luxury German designs.)


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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: BANDIT] #3137341
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Originally Posted by BANDIT
I feel for ya. Back in June of 2019, I posted a thread about John's workmanship, with a picture or 2, on my 48RE tranny. He also replied to my post, eventually. Blamed his "employee" for the F##kup's, yes Plural, and then said he offered to make it right. He originally agreed to pay for the converter swap, because he sent incorrect one, twice. Then after I had bought the correct one myself and had it swapped, he offered to pay me a couple hundred bucks for the mess. Claimed I wasnt nice, so I wasnt nice after that. I try and call him every once in a while, just to see how he is doing, for old times sake. Jim.




Thats his MO apparently found that is works and now uses the technique .. I never yelled cussed, did anything that should have offended him.


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Re: Be careful of whom you buy from [Re: bigdad] #3137483
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What payment method, seems like an easy dispute if credit card.
I had an experience with a vendor that repairs instrument clusters, he told me he didn't accept cards, too much hassle.
My spidey sense tingled, and I went against my gut, and I soon found out why he didn't take credit cards.
He totally screwed me over and I had to pay to get it fixed a 2nd time elsewhere.

And just like what you described, guy called me and totally went off unhinged. My buddies still rib me about that voicemail.

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I did try the credit card dispute option. They had me send both of the incorrect converters back, (the only real leverage I would have had) and then the credit card company proceeded to tell me that the time limit had exceeded their 1 billing cycle limit, and there wasnt anything they could do. Needless to say, that CC went down the paper shredder. Good idea, tho. Make sure you check dates and policy of the CC that you are using. Jim


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Man people used to say that guy walked in water. So glad a local guy worked at Chrysler for awhile. Even more glad I still have the last trans I took to him and didn’t end up using.


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all the items that were incorrect from my trans builder

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