getting a title for a old car
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Has anyone used Brother's title service
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Re: getting a title for a old car
[Re: mgoblue9798]
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11/10/22 03:52 PM
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Look up "Vermont title loophole". This is what some of the title services use to get your paperwork anyway. Agreed, this is currently the cheapest and safest way to acquire "legal" documentation to acquire a title thru one's State, if it can be done here in Massachusetts which has the toughest rules/regulation/laws/idiot DMV-RMV employees, you can do it elsewhere ....... https://youtu.be/hcHKNoMHDSs
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Re: getting a title for a old car
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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11/10/22 04:40 PM
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Look up "Vermont title loophole". This is what some of the title services use to get your paperwork anyway. Agreed, this is currently the cheapest and safest way to acquire "legal" documentation to acquire a title thru one's State, if it can be done here in Massachusetts which has the toughest rules/regulation/laws/idiot DMV-RMV employees, you can do it elsewhere ....... https://youtu.be/hcHKNoMHDSs I find this to be total freiking BS that it's that easy to get a title. Why because I just had a car STOLEN from me and I had the original OHIO title, the registration was up to date and the car was insured, I had the car at what I thought was a good friend's home body shop and was in no hurry to have him re-paint it. Then he started to ghost me every time I offered to pick the car up and bring it to my storage. He kept saying it was okay and in safe storage in his pole barn and not to worry. Finally got to him the day after I checked with BMV and title bureau that the title was still in my name and the registration was still current. I said I'm here for my car when he says "It's gone". "What do you mean it's GONE!" He goes into this wild a$$ story of how he had to move it to his father's place and when he went to get it back it was GONE. The county sheriff and the insurance company did an investigation and even flew a drone around his home and his father's home and nothing. They think he re-titled it out of state and then sold it. So I say this is total BS that it's that easy to get a title for ANYTHING and I don't know how many times since I've heard the VERMONT LOOPHOLE BS and now see how easy it is to STEAL someone's vehicle even if they are holding a legitimate title in hand. Rant over........for now.
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/10/22 05:09 PM
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Hmm. If he retitled it but didn't change the VIN, and it's relatively recent, I would think that your DMV can run the VIN in other states and find out where it went. IF that was what happened.
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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Right. If that VIN was used it would come up right away. Hmm. If he retitled it but didn't change the VIN, and it's relatively recent, I would think that your DMV can run the VIN in other states and find out where it went. IF that was what happened.
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/10/22 06:08 PM
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Right. If that VIN was used it would come up right away. Hmm. If he retitled it but didn't change the VIN, and it's relatively recent, I would think that your DMV can run the VIN in other states and find out where it went. IF that was what happened. I am not a lawyer and I have not played one on TV either but I have to ask how this would play out. Obviously it would take some days in court but would the new "owner" have to turn the car over or would the person who sold it after re-titling it just have to pay restitution (with possible jail time) and the car is now owned by someone else. I have heard that with real estate it can be the latter in many cases.
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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Look up "Vermont title loophole". This is what some of the title services use to get your paperwork anyway. Agreed, this is currently the cheapest and safest way to acquire "legal" documentation to acquire a title thru one's State, if it can be done here in Massachusetts which has the toughest rules/regulation/laws/idiot DMV-RMV employees, you can do it elsewhere ....... https://youtu.be/hcHKNoMHDSs I find this to be total freiking BS that it's that easy to get a title. Why because I just had a car STOLEN from me and I had the original OHIO title, the registration was up to date and the car was insured, I had the car at what I thought was a good friend's home body shop and was in no hurry to have him re-paint it. Then he started to ghost me every time I offered to pick the car up and bring it to my storage. He kept saying it was okay and in safe storage in his pole barn and not to worry. Finally got to him the day after I checked with BMV and title bureau that the title was still in my name and the registration was still current. I said I'm here for my car when he says "It's gone". "What do you mean it's GONE!" He goes into this wild a$$ story of how he had to move it to his father's place and when he went to get it back it was GONE. The county sheriff and the insurance company did an investigation and even flew a drone around his home and his father's home and nothing. They think he re-titled it out of state and then sold it. So I say this is total BS that it's that easy to get a title for ANYTHING and I don't know how many times since I've heard the VERMONT LOOPHOLE BS and now see how easy it is to STEAL someone's vehicle even if they are holding a legitimate title in hand. Rant over........for now. What year car was it?
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Re: getting a title for a old car
[Re: IMGTX]
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Stolen property in almost all cases leaves the guy with the car screwed. Legally no mater what its considered illegal possession of stolen property..The crooks in between should face legal prosecution charges as they are felons. Right. If that VIN was used it would come up right away. Hmm. If he retitled it but didn't change the VIN, and it's relatively recent, I would think that your DMV can run the VIN in other states and find out where it went. IF that was what happened. I am not a lawyer and I have not played one on TV either but I have to ask how this would play out. Obviously it would take some days in court but would the new "owner" have to turn the car over or would the person who sold it after re-titling it just have to pay restitution (with possible jail time) and the car is now owned by someone else. I have heard that with real estate it can be the latter in many cases.
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/10/22 08:06 PM
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Stolen property in almost all cases leaves the guy with the car screwed. Legally no mater what its considered illegal possession of stolen property..The crooks in between should face legal prosecution charges as they are felons. Read up on the Wild Cherry van https://www.motorious.com/articles/news/wild-cherry-van/
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/11/22 10:29 AM
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Only problem: You’ll be paying a 6% Vermont tax based on sale price. If the sale price is too low in their opinion, do they use a classic car value guide?
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/11/22 01:36 PM
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Every state rules are not the same on tilting cars with missing titles, been there, done that. California was a lot harder than Oregon is, I bought a 1966 Dodge Coronet and a 1967 Plymouth Satellite from a local tow yard, both had been their over 20 years, the tow yard owner told the local DMV office here in Oregon that he had lost the titles and gave me a bill of sale and they issue both new titles to me after checking to make sure that cars had not been reported stolen or had liens on them They are not salvage titles.
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/12/22 07:10 PM
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not sure if it has been previously mentioned before or not, but some states do not have titles for vehicles made before a certain YOM. possibly just a transferable registration. In California, that's what was famously called a 'pink slip'. Had a go around with my DMV over that. I won!
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Re: getting a title for a old car
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11/13/22 04:56 PM
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The problem with old cars is that unless the car has been listed as stolen, and has not been registered in the last 10 years, most State held paper work disappears from the records after 7-15 years. Once the time the records drop off, most States do not have a record of the vehicle's last registered owner.
In IL if you go through the process and get a bonded title, after that 3 year bond period, the State deems their bonded title as the original. The process includes a national stolen car title search, if the car has been processed as stolen or turns up as registered in a different state the process stops immediately. It it clears the stolen car data base, the bond process displays what they claim is a legal search for the original owner, which could be a simple statement in a local paper. Any person holding a title for the vehicle in the search has 3 years from the printed date to make a claim the vehicle. After the 3 years has passes and no one has made a claim of ownership, the State has determined that the bonded title shall be considered as the original title. IL sends you a written and dated statement that says the bond requirement time has been completed and they give you a reference number if anyone at any time challenges your title. Any person holding older dated paper work past the end of the bond time has wall art.
The bottom line is, as a vehicle owner that may have a vehicle in any kind of storage for what ever reason, it is your responsibility to be sure your car is where it is suppose to be. You probably need to go to the location every couple of years and lay your hands on it. If the storage facility can't or won't let you lay your hands on your car, you probably need to contact the local police to start the stolen car process. If the storage place won't let you look at your own car, something fishy is probably going on. Any title processing starts with a stolen car title search, if the car title number shows up in that search, the process stops, and the process to get you involved begins. However, if you have received payment for a stolen car from an insurance company, the rights to that car are no longer your rights, those rights for claim belong to the insurance company. The insurance company has the right to sell a theft recovery vehicle that they have paid out on. Usually, once an insurance company pays off on a stolen car, that title is removed from the stolen car data base. The car that was stolen from you 20 years ago that the insurance company paid you for, may well show up at a car show near you, but that guy can legally own the car now. You have no claim to it.
I don't buy many vehicles that don't have a title that matches the vehicle ID number. The few that I have bought, I have known their history dating back at least 10 years. I often talk with a former owner about the car and its history. Then before I buy it, I do the stolen car search to see if it coms back clear. Then its on to the bonded title process for me.
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