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Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Kam*Kuda] #3070636
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Evil B1 it is a foot brake car


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Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Kam*Kuda] #3070665
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I'd like to see the 7" with the radial. Though it may not need all that travel. An adjustable lower mount should get you there. You can run the shock compressed 5"
Doug

Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: dvw] #3070893
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I have a single adjustable AFCO front shock

it has 39 clicks of adjustment

I set it at 20 for each Is this a good starting stop?


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Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Kam*Kuda] #3071012
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Work with what you have now except...!!!Put pair of 125lb hypercoils on it!!! Like has been mentioned, adjust springs so you have about 1.5" of compressed travel 3.5" or more extension. If you do move the front of the ladder bar then you'll obviously have to correct the pinion angle...is it 'correct' now? A biased tire is probably the most forgiving, and put the biggest one you can fit currently.

Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: HardcoreB] #3071103
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
... A biased tire is probably the most forgiving, and put the biggest one you can fit currently.

^^^

"Poor track" and "radial" don't typically go together. Maybe the newer "bracket" radials from M/T and Hoosier are more forgiving, but radials traditionally have been highly dependent upon track prep to work well.


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Brad_Haak] #3071118
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Originally Posted by Brad_Haak
Originally Posted by HardcoreB
... A biased tire is probably the most forgiving, and put the biggest one you can fit currently.

^^^

"Poor track" and "radial" don't typically go together. Maybe the newer "bracket" radials from M/T and Hoosier are more forgiving, but radials traditionally have been highly dependent upon track prep to work well.


Yes true.....BUT depends on the power level and the car.
My sons car (11.teens on motor) runs the same street or track, he beat a Red Eye Challenger pretty easily on the street.(295 radials)
The Nova i posted the pic of, that car runs 9.30 at ANY track its been to. Im sure its borderline at some tracks, but it just flat out works. I cant recall a time that car has ever spun the tire. We had to take gear out of it to keep it off the bumper


....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....
Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: n20mstr] #3071126
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we do a lot of racing in F.A.S.T. factory appearing stock tire never full throttle off line, part throttle , dont floor it till second gear have gotten very consistent you will have to find sweet spot, we have cars running 9's with G60-15, have gone 11.0's with F70-14 360 duster


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Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: 440lebaron] #3071136
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@Tony - The Hoosier 9x30 stocker radials I used to run on my '73 were the epitome of a radial that either dead-hooked or simply spun 'til ya' let up, which seemed to be the rep radials have had for years. My ET Street S/S appear to be better about "iffy" conditions -- on my slow-a$$ 1320, at least. When the '73 comes back, I'm gonna have a new learning curve to deal with.

@lebaron - I have AMAZING respect or the F.A.S.T. cars, but ya' gotta admit those aren't racing against a dial-in or an index where you need round-to-round consistency like w/ your new Stocker. BTW, I enjoy your progress reports on the new car.


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Brad_Haak] #3074567
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Switched to 130lb springs (available)
compressed to 7 7/8 inches (35%)

I did a quick video on the street run (track day rained out)
It was rolling but it looks like we have separation!


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Definitely need a longer double adjustable shock






Last edited by Kam*Kuda; 09/05/22 07:23 PM.

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Re: UPDATE! How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Kam*Kuda] #3078369
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Finally out to the same track

Scaled and balanced the the car
and had some significantly better runs,
Same front shock setting (in the middle )
Rear shocks (single adjustable)
Changed 130 lb springs with preload of about 35%

Ladder bar at top measure at about 180% anti -squat. CHART at end of video

Here is the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqI8EkKJ85I

That was a partial throttle run (Still learning to keep my foot in it)
ET 6.234
60 foot 1.456
MPT 113.75

Made some adjustments and lost traction ( I should have left it)
Got it back to base and ran a

ET 6.155 (personal best) 6.25 dial in
60 ft 1.446
114.45 MPH




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Re: UPDATE! How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: Kam*Kuda] #3078372
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What did it run now compared to before? It looks like you are closer to 50% collapsed so you have room to go down in compression IF YOU NEED TO. It looks like it's working good! I would sort-out what you have now. Of course double adjustable are better but based on your incrementals we can surmise how much more there is left. GOOD WORK, CONGRATS!

Re: UPDATE! How to race on a poor track with drag radials [Re: HardcoreB] #3078380
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
What did it run now compared to before? It looks like you are closer to 50% collapsed so you have room to go down in compression IF YOU NEED TO. It looks like it's working good! I would sort-out what you have now. Of course double adjustable are better but based on your incremental we can surmise how much more there is left. GOOD WORK, CONGRATS!


Thankyou HardcoreB


I was really wondering what improvements I may expect with a better shock and hope to get a guess from the Moparts group here...


Prior runs at same track (but I believe less track prep here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qysZqdJRw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qysZqdJRw8

I would lose traction almost immediately and then get back in

ETs 6.572, 6.749, 6.646
60s 1.682, 1.568, 1.636
mph 112.71, 104.83, 110.21

Very inconstant ... I was on and off the throttle

The 6.23 and 6.15 were improvements

Last edited by Kam*Kuda; 09/18/22 12:09 PM.

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