Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: crackedback]
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05/17/22 03:43 PM
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Agreed, bill of sale doesn't mean anything in Texas.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: Sammy]
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05/17/22 07:49 PM
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How is this guy going to title this car without a bill of sale. Not all states require one. Here in TN you put the purchase price on the back of the title and that is all that is needed. In LA where I used to live, they required a notarized bill of sale and the title. Each state is different.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: Sammy]
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05/17/22 11:01 PM
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If you were selling the car as a private individual(I assume) it is all on him. I have bought 3 "hotrods" sight unseen. Talked to the owners quite a bit also. They are used cars so you get what you get for not getting on a plane and doing your own due diligence. Cyclone, was almost exactly as described. Only thing he forgot to tell me was only 1 of the drum brakes worked which made the drive from the dropoff spot fun as heck. Superbee was a roller so yeah, Got what I paid for. Barracuda looked nicer than it was. Started working on it and was going to just put a V8 kframe in, drop a 360 in and drive it and have fun. That was the plan until I crawled under the rear and realized the frame over the diff was completely rusted out. Never called any of the sellers back. You buy a car that is 30-50 years old, well, it isn't like it was just on the show room floor. Guy is and idgit who is trying to scam you. Yes Hemis aren't cheap but he knew the risks. Not like the car showed up with 318 in it when you showed a Hemi in the pictures I hope.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: Sammy]
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05/18/22 11:24 AM
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Just out of curiosity, Do you have ANYTHING in writing, an email, the original ad etc. that states the car is being sold AS -IS? I will mention the following for others: I've learned in the last 25 years of being in business that People who are in a rush to get something done almost always turn out to be A PROBLEM. After having experienced this 5 or so times, I noted it was a common trait these people seem to haveAfter noting this, It became a BRIGHT RED FLAG that I will not ignore, and send them elsewhere.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: Sammy]
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05/18/22 01:18 PM
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This comes too late for this deal, but I have learned through selling hundreds and hundreds of used cars, trucks, vans, and motorcycles including classics that the deal is going to go down MY WAY. Not their way. That doesn't mean that I won't make some concessions to them to get the deal. But overall, the deal will be done my way and all documents that I have will be executed to my satisfaction. And one document in particular that the buyer has to sign and is all by itself with no fine print is AS-IS NO WARRANTY. A full page that has only that and the vehicle's description on it.
Now recently, Illinois has stepped in and forced a warranty on some used vehicles. That played a role in our deciding to go exclusively to 'rebuilts'. They are exempt from the State's mandate.
There is not much the OP can do at this point except wait for the buyer's next move. As I said before, I certainly would cease all communication with the buyer immediately. Whether the time is right for an attorney is a matter of opinion. It's only money.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: DaveRS23]
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05/18/22 04:35 PM
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This comes too late for this deal, but I have learned through selling hundreds and hundreds of used cars, trucks, vans, and motorcycles including classics that the deal is going to go down MY WAY. Not their way. That doesn't mean that I won't make some concessions to them to get the deal. But overall, the deal will be done my way and all documents that I have will be executed to my satisfaction. And one document in particular that the buyer has to sign and is all by itself with no fine print is AS-IS NO WARRANTY. A full page that has only that and the vehicle's description on it.
Now recently, Illinois has stepped in and forced a warranty on some used vehicles. That played a role in our deciding to go exclusively to 'rebuilts'. They are exempt from the State's mandate.
There is not much the OP can do at this point except wait for the buyer's next move. As I said before, I certainly would cease all communication with the buyer immediately. Whether the time is right for an attorney is a matter of opinion. It's only money. If selling a car privately, would you recommend something like this (distorted on purpose)?:
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: 1972CudaV21]
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05/18/22 06:53 PM
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Probably nothing wrong with that agreement. It uses a lot more verbiage than we do, but it gets to the point.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
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05/18/22 07:33 PM
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Bummer for your situation. First thing is I would do is a google search in his state and see if he has sued others for similar problems. Have an attorney send a letter to stop harassing you. Change accounts, just in case. Remind him he bought it after it was inspected twice already and your done with it. Anything that he finds or damaged while he uses it is on him. Also, your not responsible for damage after it leaves your possession from improper transport or driver repellence. I would not even offer to take the car back. He could have damaged it or swapped out some valuable parts with cheap ones. Personally I would send a pic of myself in a Las Vegas club surrounded by pretty girls, my crew, lots of bottles of house booze and a couple black bags on the table with a caption saying ‘I spent it all buddy. Go pound sand or get buried in it).
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
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05/18/22 08:38 PM
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Sad to say but I have literally rebuilt every mechanical system, suspension, steering, etc and 1/2 the electrical on the 69 Cyclone. That said, it is still a "USED" car. I was a refusnik for cell phones until 2 years ago. Why? Because despite a huge effort and good money going into the car I knew eventually I was going to need to call for a tow. In fact second time out I exploded the torque convertor and trashed the trans. There I sat in a parking lot that I was able to push the car into. Technically a brand new/old car with 15 miles on the engine. Only person I wished I had gone after were the manufacturers of "BOSS HOG" convertors. Had I known my local trans shop makes billet units. Oh, if only. Think everyone gets my point. Even with a transplanted new engine, you are still going to have issues. Nature of the beast. If you don't believe it, find a new hobby.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: TJP]
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05/18/22 09:51 PM
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Just out of curiosity, Do you have ANYTHING in writing, an email, the original ad etc. that states the car is being sold AS -IS? I will mention the following for others: I've learned in the last 25 years of being in business that People who are in a rush to get something done almost always turn out to be A PROBLEM. After having experienced this 5 or so times, I noted it was a common trait these people seem to haveAfter noting this, It became a BRIGHT RED FLAG that I will not ignore, and send them elsewhere. I have text messages that you must sign the bill of sale. He said he would and scan it and send it back. I said I want to fax it to you now and both him and the guy who looked at rhe car stated they don't own a fax machine.
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: Sammy]
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05/18/22 10:13 PM
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Just out of curiosity, Do you have ANYTHING in writing, an email, the original ad etc. that states the car is being sold AS -IS? I will mention the following for others: I've learned in the last 25 years of being in business that People who are in a rush to get something done almost always turn out to be A PROBLEM. After having experienced this 5 or so times, I noted it was a common trait these people seem to haveAfter noting this, It became a BRIGHT RED FLAG that I will not ignore, and send them elsewhere. I have text messages that you must sign the bill of sale. He said he would and scan it and send it back. I said I want to fax it to you now and both him and the guy who looked at rhe car stated they don't own a fax machine. I'm assuming he didn't scan it and send it back. STOPOK, then send a PDF file. He could have printed it, signed it, scanned it back into a PDF it or take a picture, and return it via email. As previously mentioned It doesn't sound like this is his first rodeo
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
[Re: Sammy]
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05/18/22 10:51 PM
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I have text messages that you must sign the bill of sale. He said he would and scan it and send it back. I said I want to fax it to you now and both him and the guy who looked at rhe car stated they don't own a fax machine. Don't sign it without him signing it first. I don't know what that matters...maybe not at all, but if he wants to play head games, play 'em... It sounds to me like maybe now he needs you...
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
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05/19/22 11:37 AM
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I have text messages that you must sign the bill of sale. He said he would and scan it and send it back. I said I want to fax it to you now and both him and the guy who looked at rhe car stated they don't own a fax machine. Don't sign it without him signing it first. I don't know what that matters...maybe not at all, but if he wants to play head games, play 'em... It sounds to me like maybe now he needs you... maybe I'm confused (easily done ) On the Bill of sale, Is he now requesting a bill of sale OR is your statement above referring to BEFORE the car left your possession. If the request is current, type up a bill of sale listing the date of sale, amount received, make, model, VIN # State that the vehicle is / was (is preferred) sold AS-IS with no warranties of any kind implied or claims on condition as it was inspected by his _____________ PDF the file and email. He can sign it, HAVE IT NOTARIZED and overnite or PDF it back. if all looks good, sign it a send it back
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
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05/19/22 01:07 PM
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You need to step back from this and get focused on what you can control. Worrying about what texts you have about an unsigned bill of sale isn’t going to get this to go away. Sure, save those, but as tjp said, a court may laugh at that as anything to be concerned with.
Cease communications until you speak to an attorney, and focus on finding one with experience with such a mess. Or wait until his sends a letter and then get one. These are things you can control. If you want to ask him what it will take to “make this right” to get you peace on the matter, that’s another thing you can control. Personally I would see if he moves on before doing that one.
History of the future- if he’s a game player with means or an accomplice attorney(himself, brother, friend) he can shake you down. A lawsuit will cost at least 15k. For you. He may not face as much if he has the right setup. The game will be chicken to see who will shell out the opening salvo in court, or see if the other guy coughs up 5k to make it go away. He’ll drum up a 30k invoice for a paint job, parts missing, engine work, etc. so you will have to choose to fight on principle or pay a lesser amount to get away from him. Will a judge or jury have knowledgeable car people that will see the issues with understanding, or will they see pictures taken to accent a flaky spot or rust on the back of a bumper and see it as you sold him a lemon?
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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain
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05/19/22 01:23 PM
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You need to step back from this and get focused on what you can control. Worrying about what texts you have about an unsigned bill of sale isn’t going to get this to go away. Sure, save those, but as tjp said, a court may laugh at that as anything to be concerned with.
Cease communications until you speak to an attorney, and focus on finding one with experience with such a mess. Or wait until his sends a letter and then get one. These are things you can control. If you want to ask him what it will take to “make this right” to get you peace on the matter, that’s another thing you can control. Personally I would see if he moves on before doing that one.
History of the future- if he’s a game player with means or an accomplice attorney(himself, brother, friend) he can shake you down. A lawsuit will cost at least 15k. For you. He may not face as much if he has the right setup. The game will be chicken to see who will shell out the opening salvo in court, or see if the other guy coughs up 5k to make it go away. He’ll drum up a 30k invoice for a paint job, parts missing, engine work, etc. so you will have to choose to fight on principle or pay a lesser amount to get away from him. Will a judge or jury have knowledgeable car people that will see the issues with understanding, or will they see pictures taken to accent a flaky spot or rust on the back of a bumper and see it as you sold him a lemon? His text was saying only rusty bumpers, needs tune up and new spark ug wires and sparkplug and one flipped headliner bow. The car was thoroughly inspected twice. Once at my house and then at the drop-off location. He complained also, I left the car with little gasoline. Bumpers weren't rusty and also sparkplug wires were new with 30 miles on them . Same with sparkplug As stated before, the car ran unbelievably strong and no issues. Idles perfectly.
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