Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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Headed to MIR as long as the weather holds. It's going to be unseasonably warm around here and get into the mid-70s, but some chance of rain still in the forecast. The only changes expected since going to Capitol a few weeks ago would be showing up w/ about 1/2 tank less fuel (~ 1/4 full) and, maybe, dropping in a Hellcat air filter element to replace the more restrictive OEM 392 filter. I expect the car will be slower in this weather and might be a long shot to see another 11-sec ET slip. However, what I'm hoping is that MIR's track prep is better and I can get some consistent passes this time. Capitol was simply hit-or-miss on the car hooking up with the factory 275/40R20 drag radials. ![luck luck](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/luck.gif)
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
[Re: Brad_Haak]
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03/04/22 01:16 PM
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I hope you get to go !!!! most important is to just have fun
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
[Re: CSK]
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03/04/22 01:27 PM
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will you be leaving on Trans brake?
Also I did the Hellcat air intake and dropped the intake temps on average 10 degrees. when its cooler out the average is greater.
I actually want to find a kit that combines both headlight inlets to one tube then into intake it might help.
Good luck and keep us posted
Thank you Kiddart
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
[Re: Brad_Haak]
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03/04/22 01:28 PM
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Warranty: Void Have fun ![smile smile](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/smile.gif)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
[Re: ZIPPY]
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03/04/22 01:41 PM
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hi Zippy,
I know or think you are joking but the factory actually wants the 1320 taken to the track. they want you to join forums and talk about the performance. when I bought mine it came with a one year ihra subscription and some other stuff I never used.
its crazy to wrap your hands around "they want you to race them at the track and report on there blogs.."
Crazy world
Thank you Kiddart
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
[Re: Kiddart]
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03/04/22 01:59 PM
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Yes, I was kidding around. Customer word of mouth and forum posts are better marketing than anything from corporate!
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
[Re: Brad_Haak]
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03/04/22 02:25 PM
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At this point I'll be sticking w/ foot-braking the car, instead of the trans brake. I ended up using 1500 RPM the last few passes and will start there, again.
I want to get my burnout technique down since I wasn't consistent the last time and believe that affected my launch consistency. I think I got it figured out the last couple of passes at Capitol...
I need to work on the tree... desperately.
But I need to be on a track that will let me do all this without wondering if I'm gonna hook or spin on back-to-back passes. So, I'll drive the 80 miles southeast to MIR and should be in better weather than is forecasted should I stay home.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/04/22 05:06 PM
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Yes, I was kidding around. Customer word of mouth and forum posts are better marketing than anything from corporate! Yep, a local guy here drove his Hellcat into the dealership on slicks with burnout rubber on the rear quarter panels. They replaced the blower on it under warranty.
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/04/22 05:28 PM
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Yes, I was kidding around. Customer word of mouth and forum posts are better marketing than anything from corporate! I figured you were, you are one of the good guys on here...
Thank you Kiddart
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/05/22 03:41 PM
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I don't believe that's a problem for a 1320 in Drag Mode. My burnouts go way past 4500 RPM and I didn't see any difference between runs, except the one time I didn't realize I had taken it out of Drag Mode by accident. The shift point RPM dropped significantly and the shifts themselves were noticeably softer resulting in the MPH dropping off compared to other passes.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/06/22 10:54 AM
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I don't believe that's a problem for a 1320 in Drag Mode. My burnouts go way past 4500 RPM and I didn't see any difference between runs, except the one time I didn't realize I had taken it out of Drag Mode by accident. The shift point RPM dropped significantly and the shifts themselves were noticeably softer resulting in the MPH dropping off compared to other passes. Its been years now, I think it was actually hitting the rev limiter by accident during the burnout that retarded the timing enough to ruin your run. I'll have to dig back in the archives to see what it was exactly, it was found out by a viper tech that had one of the quickest 392 cars after they had just come out.
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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Good Luck .... I still find the fact that you can buy a new car drive it to the track and run that fast fascinating .. the fact its a Mopar is the best!
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/06/22 10:01 PM
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I don't believe that's a problem for a 1320 in Drag Mode. My burnouts go way past 4500 RPM and I didn't see any difference between runs, except the one time I didn't realize I had taken it out of Drag Mode by accident. The shift point RPM dropped significantly and the shifts themselves were noticeably softer resulting in the MPH dropping off compared to other passes. Its been years now, I think it was actually hitting the rev limiter by accident during the burnout that retarded the timing enough to ruin your run. I'll have to dig back in the archives to see what it was exactly, it was found out by a viper tech that had one of the quickest 392 cars after they had just come out. You may be on to something; more later when I get a chance to post today's results. Thx
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/06/22 11:00 PM
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Opening Day T&T at MIR
Car passed 1,000 miles on drive to track
3/8 fuel tank
1) 11:42 AM RT .059 60 1.807 1/8 7.870 @ 89.90 1/4 12.238 @ 112.12 DA 1172 Notes: Fr 42.5, rr 20.0; 1500 launch Comments: No spin, but car felt a bit "flat"
2) 1:27 PM RT .076 60 1.774 1/8 7.776 @ 90.76 1/4 12.106 @ 113.09 DA 1424 Notes: Fr 45.0, rr 20.5; 1500 launch Comments: Better launch
3) 3:30 PM RT -.132 60 1.753 1/8 7.729 @ 90.77 1/4 12.058 @ 113.09 DA 1696 Notes: Fr 49.0, rr 21.5; 1500 launch loaded up against converter; swapped from std to Hellcat OEM air filter Comments: Best pass of day, although I went red big-time
=> At this point I must note that my burnouts have been taking the car well into the 6K+ range even upshifting multiple gears <=
4) 5:11 PM RT .167 60 1.774 1/8 7.807 @ 90.10 1/4 12.165 @ 112.36 DA 1633 Notes: Settings unchanged from run #3; 1500 launch loaded up against converter Comments: Lost a full tenth and MPH down both 1/8th and 1/4
5) 6:29 PM RT .070 60 1.855 1/8 7.921 @ 89.76 1/4 12.300 @ 111.75 DA 1437 Notes: Settings unchanged from run #3, 1500 launch but NOT loaded up against converter Comments: Spun and wheel-hopped for the first time today
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/07/22 02:01 PM
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Yep, I see people talking about pulling the PCM and TCM fuses to get the "learned behavior" to reset. That's where I was going with my comments, so we're on the same page.
Also, I consolidated the results of both track days plus added corrected ET & MPH to standardize the runs as much as possible.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Taking 1320 back to track on Sunday
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03/08/22 10:29 AM
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I thought the best approach was to use the line-lock and shift manually 1-2-3, then roll out of it. But I was regularly going 6K+ even shifting quickly. The last time I left it in D and it didn't really make a difference with the RPM, other than shifting by itself into higher gears than 3rd. Seems like if I don't go WOT that the car gets bogged down too easily during the burnout and makes being consistent difficult.
The one advantage I've seen from not using the line lock (foot-braking the burnout) is it seems easier to keep the RPMs under control with that bit of extra drag from the rear brakes. But I don't want to toast the rear pads & rotors prematurely doing it that way.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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