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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295370
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Can you borrow a light & see where your timing is




He mentioned that it has a miss-matched balancer and timing cover, so would think a light on it wouldn't help ?

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: OzHemi] #295371
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so would think a light on it wouldn't help ?


As is no but I was assuming that he would get that taken care of & to know where his timing is at is crucial


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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295372
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so would think a light on it wouldn't help ?


As is no but I was assuming that he would get that taken care of & to know where his timing is at is crucial




It sure would make it handy to check the timing, yep.

Even making a TDC mark on the other side, then using a dial back timing light would help (did that once before myself)

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: OzHemi] #295373
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I check every eng I work with w a TDC stop tool to see if the factory marks are spot on & though I've never seen one more than 1 degree off I dont assume anything(almost ).


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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295374
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I do have an adjustable timing light and planned on finding TDC and making a new mark. Honestly in the time I have had this car never had to fiddle with much so it threw me off for a minute till I realized the cover deal. I don't have a TDC stop so will do the best I can. On the distributor the gap was from .014 to .012 so I adjusted that to .006 since I did not have a .008. I checked my other distributor for the Fastback and adjusted that one too.

Robert tell me about rotor phasing please.

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: 68Fastback] #295375
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Rotor phasing: If the rotor tip gets far enough away from it's terminal on the underside of the dist cap the spark wont make it everytime & it'll effect a miss. a combination of initial timing/mech adv/vac adv and or a slight machining error in any one of these, cap/rotor/adv plate/reluctor can cause a stackup of tolerances. I drill a 3/8" hole in my dist cap in the flat top part in between the center terminal & the #1 terminal so that I can see the rotor & I freeze it w my timing light at the offending rpm & see how close the rotor metal blade is pointing to the center of the #1 plug terminal. Or adv and retard your initial 5 to 10 degrees from where it is now & see if that affects the miss as one of those 2 actions(adv or retard) will put the rotor tip closer to the bottom of the dist cap terminal.


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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295376
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What do you mean freeze it ?

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: 68Fastback] #295377
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What do you mean freeze it ?




The timing light to freeze it in place, like you do with the timing mark on the balancer I assume he means. (to see what it lines up with..)








Either that, or it's some sort of lingo

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: OzHemi] #295378
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Oh ok that makes sense, thanks. I might have an old cap that I dont mind drilling a hole in to try.

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: 68Fastback] #295379
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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295380
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Rotor phasing: If the rotor tip gets far enough away from it's terminal on the underside of the dist cap the spark wont make it everytime & it'll effect a miss. a combination of initial timing/mech adv/vac adv and or a slight machining error in any one of these, cap/rotor/adv plate/reluctor can cause a stackup of tolerances. I drill a 3/8" hole in my dist cap in the flat top part in between the center terminal & the #1 terminal so that I can see the rotor & I freeze it w my timing light at the offending rpm & see how close the rotor metal blade is pointing to the center of the #1 plug terminal. Or adv and retard your initial 5 to 10 degrees from where it is now & see if that affects the miss as one of those 2 actions(adv or retard) will put the rotor tip closer to the bottom of the dist cap terminal.






Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: Challenger 1] #295381
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Rotor phasing: If the rotor tip gets far enough away from it's terminal on the underside of the dist cap the spark wont make it everytime & it'll effect a miss. a combination of initial timing/mech adv/vac adv and or a slight machining error in any one of these, cap/rotor/adv plate/reluctor can cause a stackup of tolerances. I drill a 3/8" hole in my dist cap in the flat top part in between the center terminal & the #1 terminal so that I can see the rotor & I freeze it w my timing light at the offending rpm & see how close the rotor metal blade is pointing to the center of the #1 plug terminal. Or adv and retard your initial 5 to 10 degrees from where it is now & see if that affects the miss as one of those 2 actions(adv or retard) will put the rotor tip closer to the bottom of the dist cap terminal.










That makes your car run faster too..it lets all the electro-molecules air out and not bunch up in the distributor, which slows you down.

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: OzHemi] #295382
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I have the vented caps already, but still looking for the old cap. Bummed wanted to cruise to the fling with it.

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: 68Fastback] #295383
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I might have an old cap around if you want one to cut up... (if I haven't thrown them out)

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: 68Fastback] #295384
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you might change your initial 10 degrees both ways from where it is now & see if that affects the miss or plugging the vac adv & trying it which would change it in one direction but it's be real fast/easy to do. & your plugs/wires ARE good?


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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295385
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I think I got it solved, can't say for sure since I need to change out a green bearing before I can drive it, but I still plan on drilling a cap to see where its at and finding a mark I can use to time correctly. I put a different cap on and it is idling better. Cannot see anything wrong with the cap but I got shocked with my hand even after checking it running in the garage with no lights on so who knows. Missed the fling cause of it.

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: RapidRobert] #295386
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I wanna thank everyone for their help, the miss/stumble is gone. This weekend I am gonna work on the rotor phasing and timing. So again thanks for all the help I appreciate it.

Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: 68Fastback] #295387
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If its rotor phasing, I see this guy was selling "improved" rotors to fix the problem.
None listed currently, but you could only ask...

Nick

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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: REDNICK] #295388
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phasing is easy like check the rotation direction arrows on reluctor and set the pin guide to the dist shaft correctly.

Note about the gap... CHECK IT ALSO WITH VACUUM in PULLING position. Since ratious center of pick up and center of disttributor are TOTALLY DIFFERENT, then the circuference set by pick up never will meet the reluctor circunference. If you set the gap too close on rest positiomn, when vacuum is pulling in, the pick up will BITE THE RELUCTOR.

In my experience ( and I have tried everything bending here and there, milling here and there ) try to set the gap between 9-10 hundreds on rest position, and you'll get between 7-8 hundreds on vaccuum pulling position.

I definitelly set it on 9 to get 7


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Re: MP Distributor Pickup gap [Re: REDNICK] #295389
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If its rotor phasing, I see this guy was selling "improved" rotors to fix the problem.
None listed currently, but you could only ask...

Nick

http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/rehrenberg/





I have brought other stuff from him before, good guy.

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