Engine Removal Question
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I’ve removed/installed several engines over the years, but they were all attached to automatic transmissions. Getting ready to pull a 440 that’s backed by an 833 & would appreciate advice on how to do it. And I don’t have any tool that fits the splined fasteners attaching the clutch to the flywheel. What is that wrench or socket called? I know this is basic knowledge for many of you but as I said, I’ve never dealt with removing an engine from a manual. Thanks
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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Other than removing the shifter, there's really no difference in pulling an engine with a manual instead of an automatic. You CAN remove the transmission and bell housing, but there's no need. If you do, there's no need to pull the clutch. Normally, the pressure plate-to-flywheel bolts are standard hex-head, but they could be anything: Torx, spline drive, allen socket, double-square, double-hex, etc. I suspect you're looking from the bottom and seeing some part of the pressure plate, NOT the bolts holding it to the flywheel. You don't want to unbolt the pressure plate from the flywheel until the trans/bellhouing is out of the way.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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I think he's talking about a clutch alignment tool. There are basically, two possibilities, 23 or 18 spline, 23 spline linked.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,1974,dart,5.2l+318cid+v8,1088760,transmission-manual,clutch+alignment+tool,7700
If not, it's just a normal socket.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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The bolts are splined, and I searched online and found the sockets are readily available, I have just never before encountered fasteners like that. Why remove the shifter? That’s the sort of thing that puzzles me. I’m basically trying to understand the difference involved in separating the engine and transmission on a manual as opposed to automatic. Automatics are simple enough,remove the torque converter bolts and bell housing bolts, but is it that simple with a manual? I don’t want to damage any linkage or splines,etc.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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I have had terribly bad luck with getting the clutch to align even with the tool or even spare input shafts. I usually leave the bolts on the pressure plate loose enough to slide the disk inside the clutch but tight enough to hold it in place if you don't force it to slide. Once it is together I bolt the pressure plate down. Not an option on most racing bell-housings though.
I've had good luck hooking up the clutch linkage and having someone step the the pedal to get the input shaft to align and seat.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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I’ve removed/installed several engines over the years, but they were all attached to automatic transmissions. Getting ready to pull a 440 that’s backed by an 833 & would appreciate advice on how to do it. And I don’t have any tool that fits the splined fasteners attaching the clutch to the flywheel. What is that wrench or socket called? I know this is basic knowledge for many of you but as I said, I’ve never dealt with removing an engine from a manual. Thanks The best way depends on which tools you have. A professional shop will drop the engine and transmission out the bottom using a two post lift. Farmers use a chain hoist and an oak tree. Everybody else is somewhere in between. I have an overhead crane in my shop so that is what I use.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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Myself when dealing with a manual trans I either 1. pull the shifter off the trans ( assuming it's a 4,5 or 6 spd)> pull the Z-bar & clutch linkage. Drop the driveshaft and either shove a spare yoke in or drain the trans> then proceed to pull the engine & trans as a unit. or 2. Drop the trans from underneath. IMO, trying to line up the input shaft on the trans to a motor hanging from whatever is asking for trouble. others may disagree and that's fine
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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Okay, I appreciate all of the responses & it’s the guidance I was looking for. I wasn’t expecting to move the transmission but it sounds as though that’s what needs to be done. Not a whole lot of room between the car & floor & I don’t know yet what I can use to handle the trans but guess I’ll figure something out. Really wasn’t expecting it to be such an issue.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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Not a whole lot of room between the car & floor Uhhh ... you jack the front up and put it on jackstands to remove the trans.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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It is on jackstands, but there’s still not a lot of wiggle room, especially for an antique like me.
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Re: Engine Removal Question
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Other than removing the shifter, there's really no difference in pulling an engine with a manual instead of an automatic. You CAN remove the transmission and bell housing, but there's no need. If you do, there's no need to pull the clutch. Normally, the pressure plate-to-flywheel bolts are standard hex-head, but they could be anything: Torx, spline drive, allen socket, double-square, double-hex, etc. I suspect you're looking from the bottom and seeing some part of the pressure plate, NOT the bolts holding it to the flywheel. You don't want to unbolt the pressure plate from the flywheel until the trans/bellhouing is out of the way. Except on the factory 833 setup where you have that long [censored] input shaft that reaches way inside the crankshaft. That can be a pain if you're tight for space.
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