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Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body #2942959
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Just tossing around some ideas to drop some weight. Anyone out here running an aftermarket K member in a 64 B body? If so whos is it? Is the car driven any on the street? Just thinking out loud and pondering future possibilities.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2942968
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I have a Gerst/QA1 on order. I was advised to go 66-72 style, only difference is engine placement. Sets the engine back 1 5/8. It will be going in my 64 Fury.

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: John Burdine] #2942971
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IIRC there use the T bars and old steering box?


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2942988
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
IIRC there uses the T bars and old steering box?



Not the Gerst/QA1.

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: John Burdine] #2943056
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Guess i need to look harder the QA1 stuff I saw was T bar stuff


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943068
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I used an Alter Kation in a 68 Dart, not a B body, but RMS does make them for the early B's
No torsion bars and uses a steering rack

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943119
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If you know a good chassis builder they can put a double A arm setup on there without too much work. The chassis guy here in town just finished converting a B body over to double A arms with coil overs and a rack.

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943128
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Guess i need to look harder the QA1 stuff I saw was T bar stuff


Go to the Gerst website, it's now sold through QA1.

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: John Burdine] #2943133
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here is the website www.gerstsuspensions.com

They sold out to to QA1 - They make the best front end out there right now - a buddy of mine put one on a dart - real quality piece and easy to install from what he told me

The QA1 set-up for torsion bars weighs as much as a K-frame - the only advantage I see is oil pan clearance - the rest of the components such as a-arms and such are nice pieces

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: DoubleD] #2943142
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Gotcha...I'm old and slow..

Andy my son and I could covert it to a Mustang II deal easy enough but not what I am looking to do. Trying to keep it as stock as possible, already have tube chassis cars.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943185
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I believe these are totally different than Gersts and are a direct replacement for your car.
If this model# is wrong just check the other models available.
These use stock torsion bars

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Sammy] #2943190
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Gerst is now part of QA1

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: John Burdine] #2943199
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Gersts deal is different than the original QA1 stuff.
QA1 is still making their original equipment.

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Sammy] #2943227
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I have a Gerst front in my 67 , nice piece .. Carl is a good guy

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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: bigdad] #2943283
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Originally Posted by bigdad
I have a Gerst front in my 67 , nice piece .. Carl is a good guy


Perhaps Al could road trip a little east over Labor Day weekend and check it out smile

Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: J_BODY] #2943301
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I have a QA1 K member on the Challenger. Frees up some room for a long pan, uses stock type suspension components.
Though just for info, you have to cut most of the drivers side engine mount away if you run external oiling. up


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9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Tig] #2943361
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Currently the car has a motor plate and would stay that way. Engine in it makes a few HP's and if it gets replaced with the Hemi I have lying around it also makes pretty good power so engine will stay on a plate. Car weighs 3460 right no and just looking to try and drop some tonnage where I can. I get the Gerst/QA1 thing, just didnt see they were seperate deals under one banner now and will look into those. I have had an alterkation and dont like the front track being pushed out, at least like an A bodies is. I dont need this for any additional clearance for sure. Have a custom pan on it now and a set of custom headers that all work fine. Really just looking at dropping some weight. Maybe I should just start trimming and cutting away at the stock piece.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943368
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Currently the car has a motor plate and would stay that way. Engine in it makes a few HP's and if it gets replaced with the Hemi I have lying around it also makes pretty good power so engine will stay on a plate. Car weighs 3460 right no and just looking to try and drop some tonnage where I can. I get the Gerst/QA1 thing, just didnt see they were seperate deals under one banner now and will look into those. I have had an alterkation and dont like the front track being pushed out, at least like an A bodies is. I dont need this for any additional clearance for sure. Have a custom pan on it now and a set of custom headers that all work fine. Really just looking at dropping some weight. Maybe I should just start trimming and cutting away at the stock piece.

IIRC there was 2lbs difference in favor of the QA1, before I cut it.


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9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Tig] #2943371
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Originally Posted by Tig
IIRC there was 2lbs difference in favor of the QA1, before I cut it.


Well pretty sure we could loose more than 2lbs modifying whats there. Why I was looking at something that went to a rack and no t bars, but maybe I am overcomplication things as what i have works fairly well. Car has run 8's and other than the cage and bars looks like a Sunday cruiser.


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Re: Anyone running an Aftermarket K on a 64 B body [Re: Al_Alguire] #2943587
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
... just looking to try and drop some tonnage where I can. ... I have had an alterkation and dont like the front track being pushed out, at least like an A bodies is. I dont need this for any additional clearance for sure. Have a custom pan on it now and a set of custom headers that all work fine.... Maybe I should just start trimming and cutting away at the stock piece.

"Have a custom pan on it now and a set of custom headers that all work fine." That would be a big decision choice point if you started from scratch which would more justify the expense to be in-line with the benefits. If we consider how much lighter Doug's '64 is (3330 with 2 optima batteries) using a 125lb heavier block, there SHOULD be a fair amount of low hanging fruit to save weight? I'd bet trimming what you have AND converting to front coil-overs and leaving the factory steering would be only 25 lbs heavier than a full-tube/rack K kit. My fiberglass decklid saved over 50lbs there should be 50-60 lbs saving on a 'glass hood. ALL side windows and rear window/back glass can be done in lexan and still be functional and LOOK 'real'. (60? lbs) Your new cage/frame work might save 25lbs...for starters

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