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Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2923477 05/17/21 11:46 AM 05/17/21 11:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,065 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,065 S.E. Michigan	Thanks for the thread. This is going to be good! Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: ZIPPY] #2923480 05/17/21 11:50 AM 05/17/21 11:50 AM
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n20mstr master N Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,778 On the parachute mount	i like it !!! Im following !!! ....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2923492 05/17/21 12:16 PM 05/17/21 12:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,037 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,037 Bend,OR USA	Not trying to intrude on this post but I'm in the middle of building a 572 C.I. B1 original head pump gas motor now with a KB wedge block I got from Tim @ FHO last year. The heads were used and came with a set of Jesel paired shaft 1.7 ratio rocker arms, I had them freshen at Slawko and still need to buy the pistons, solid roller cam and so on. I'm not sure which carb size I will run on this motor but I will test several different ones, 4150 and 4500, and see what it wants I'm hoping for 900HP on Oregon pump swill Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Cab_Burge] #2923539 05/17/21 02:39 PM 05/17/21 02:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim OP I Live Here
440Jim OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Originally Posted by Cab_Burge ... still need to buy the pistons, solid roller cam and so on. I'm not sure which carb size I will run on this motor but I will test several different ones, 4150 and 4500, and see what it wants I'm hoping for 900HP on Oregon pump swill I was thinking you should look into the pistons I am thinking about (posted near the top of this topic). But when I saw you want to run pump gas, I am sure those pistons would give you too much CR. I haven't even sent the block to the machine shop yet, so you likely will do carb tests before I do. I look forward to your results. P.S. I remember an old post of yours about using 7/16" dia pushrods. And that post helpped me decide to go that route.

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2923622 05/17/21 06:03 PM 05/17/21 06:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,037 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,037 Bend,OR USA	I'm glad I could help, thanks for letting me know Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Cab_Burge] #2923633 05/17/21 06:22 PM 05/17/21 06:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,168 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,168 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Your going to have enough cubes, and flow numbers look great so i see your goal as a done deal. 8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: gregsdart] #2923638 05/17/21 06:29 PM 05/17/21 06:29 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,037 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,037 Bend,OR USA	The last pump gas 572 C.I. EFI dual throttle body hemi motor I made and dyno tested didn't make 900 799.4 HP at 6500 RPM before starting down hill I'm hoping your correct I forgot to mention the crank in this motor is a old KB forged top fuel crank with full counter balance and stock Mopar rod journal sizes I tried to have this crank offset ground down to BB Chevy rod journals sizes and was told no, those cranks can't be done that way, for some reason or the another Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Cab_Burge] #2923882 05/18/21 09:32 AM 05/18/21 09:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,635 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,635 Las Vegas	JIm, Best I can tell you right now is the car has gone 8.90's at 3450lbs in a 64 B Body. It is an NSS car that is required a 4150 carb, this one is a twin blade Book set up. Was way cheaper than a sheet metal intake a two of them "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Al_Alguire] #2923920 05/18/21 10:25 AM 05/18/21 10:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim OP I Live Here
440Jim OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Originally Posted by Al_Alguire JIm, Best I can tell you right now is the car has gone 8.90's at 3450lbs in a 64 B Body. It is an NSS car that is required a 4150 carb, this one is a twin blade Book set up. Was way cheaper than a sheet metal intake a two of them Nice. I am thinking that ET/weight should be around 1000 hp, maybe 1020? 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2923994 05/18/21 01:47 PM 05/18/21 01:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,635 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,635 Las Vegas	Launch has never really been optimal. Pulling timing to get it to leave, best 60' is only 1.36 and its been 153.77. So Ill let other speculate as to the power level. But it seems to move along ok for a 540" engine. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Cab_Burge] #2924020 05/18/21 02:31 PM 05/18/21 02:31 PM
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R3 Racing member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 157 Minnesota	I have a couple of sets of B1 pistons for a 4.530 bore. A couple of sets of BME aluminum rods as well. PM if interested.

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Cab_Burge] #2924722 05/20/21 02:20 AM 05/20/21 02:20 AM
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 413 Norway (old world) Oyvind Mopar mopar
Oyvind Mopar mopar Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 413 Norway (old world)	Originally Posted by Cab_Burge The last pump gas 572 C.I. EFI dual throttle body hemi motor I made and dyno tested didn't make 900 799.4 HP at 6500 RPM before starting down hill I'm hoping your correct I forgot to mention the crank in this motor is a old KB forged top fuel crank with full counter balance and stock Mopar rod journal sizes I tried to have this crank offset ground down to BB Chevy rod journals sizes and was told no, those cranks can't be done that way, for some reason or the another I have my own crankshaft grinder, and I have offset ground a few of the fueler billet crankshafts KB, Bryant etc down to 2.2 inch. No problems at all, but I have also been into other brands that were hardchromed, and offsetgrinding one of those netted .080" offset due to the thickness of the chrome layer that had to be ground away.

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2927323 05/27/21 03:24 PM 05/27/21 03:24 PM
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Whompin_Wedge mopar W Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 697 COLUMBUS, OH	Originally Posted by 440Jim This topic is Part 1-Buying Parts. So far this year I have accumulated the following parts. More details on each as I post more to Part 1. Bill Mitchell Products (BMP) aluminum wedge block. Callies Magnum crankshaft. Part number GEQ-62J-MP. Molnar H-beam connecting rods, 7.100” long, 2.200” rod journals. B1 original heads. T&D 1.7 ratio rocker arms. Part number 8013, 5/8” shaft, paired rockers per cylinder. Titanium 10 degree retainers. B1 cast single 4-barrel intake manifold with RB spacers. Belt drive cam timing kit. APD “billet” alcohol carb. 4150 body, “1000 cfm”. Currently running in my Daytona. I plan to up size the alky fuel pump and lines since I don’t think the current Aeromotive 11203 pump will feed 950 hp on Alky. Aeromotive lists: Free Flow Rate:150 gph. Pressure 14 psi, Inlet 3/8 NPT, Outlet 3/8 NPT Scott Koffel told me of some UEM/Icon production pistons he helped design, that should be available in June. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ UEM/ICON Elite B1 Piston https://uempistons.com/i-35551-icon...-head-aftermarket-block-kit-w-rings.html # IC433CAKTS.std part number with rings 1.355 Compression height, -0.020 below stock 10.725 deck Lateral gas porting on the top land, Top land 0.300" from top 0.043, 1/16, 3/16 ring pack, Ring Set #: 4500JS8.005 Trend Wrist pins 4130, 0.185 wall, Pin No: G9902930185 5cc dome with -12cc valve reliefs. Effective volume of -6.5cc Anodized crown & top ring land UltraWear M42 skirt coating UltraWear M42 coating -Piston skirt dry film lubricant. -Decrease engine noise and helps protect against dry start ups. -Applied to .0005” per side. Anodizing -Limits micro welding of ring to groove in severe conditions. -Produces a very hard surface for ring to rotate on. -Piston Crown application creates barrier from corrosive fuels. How long did the T&D rockers take to get? Curious as I have a set on order. Thank you, Casey FJ

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Whompin_Wedge] #2927334 05/27/21 03:49 PM 05/27/21 03:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim OP I Live Here
440Jim OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	When I called both Koffel's and T&D, they said 5-weeks. I was able to find a new old stock set somebody had on their shelf (never installed), and I bought those. 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2927533 05/28/21 07:41 AM 05/28/21 07:41 AM
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Whompin_Wedge mopar W Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 697 COLUMBUS, OH	Ok, that is what I have been told as well.... This engine of mine may never get done!! haha Casey FJ

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: Whompin_Wedge] #2927563 05/28/21 08:52 AM 05/28/21 08:52 AM
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sasquatch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,644 North Carolina	I ordered a set of T/Ds for a customer on Tuesday and they said 4 to 5 weeks. In the past they are pretty good at meeting promises. www.mopartsracing.com

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: sasquatch] #2928054 05/29/21 11:07 AM 05/29/21 11:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim OP I Live Here
440Jim OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Part 1-Australian Muscle Parts (AMP) Belt drive cam timing kit. NOTE: In Part 5 - Build Notes, I changed to a Jesel Belt Drive. So this is just for info. Part 5 - Build Notes link This belt drive for big block Mopar has some nice features. Similar to the Jesel belt drive, with added features similar to some of the Comp Cams belt drives for GM engines. I like the gloss black coating that is easy to clean and doesn’t stain/deteriorate like uncoated aluminum. The belt idler pulley beats the Comp Cams design. It has an eccentric center for adjustment, the Comp design has different diameter parts to do adjustment. This feature wraps the belt around the crank pulley better than without it; and minimizes belt flap in operation. The idler is located opposite the drive side (which is pulled tight in operation). The AMP design comes with encased Torrington style thrust bearings and has no special block machining needed. The Jesel comes with thrust washers, with an optional multi-piece thrust bearing (separate needle bearing part and steel washers to run against) that requires machining the block. The AMP design allows setting the advance/retard between the marks. This allows 3 degrees or 3.5 degrees instead of just the choice of 2 or 4 degrees. This is similar to the newer Jesel design. The older Jesel design locked at 2 degree intervals. My only complaint is that it comes with NO installation instructions. I downloaded Jesel and Comp Cams belt drive instructions to guide me (and write my own). Last edited by 440Jim; 11/16/21 02:49 PM. Reason: Added note & link to Part 5 Jesel change 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2928617 05/30/21 06:24 PM 05/30/21 06:24 PM
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LA360 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,187 Melbourne , Australia	The idler/belt tension adjuster is very very similar to the old Weber Small Block belt drive adjusters Alan Jones

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: 440Jim] #2928663 05/30/21 07:35 PM 05/30/21 07:35 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,303 Oregon	Write up your instructions and offer them to the mfg for $100 or a discount on some other parts.

Re: 572 B1 org Part 1-Buying Parts [Re: AndyF] #2928709 05/30/21 09:22 PM 05/30/21 09:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim OP I Live Here
440Jim OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Originally Posted by AndyF Write up your instructions and offer them to the mfg for $100 or a discount on some other parts. I don't normally make money on my "advice". But since the manufacturer doesn't even offer instructions, that might be a way to help other users. But it would have to be a very professional set of instructions, with pictures,etc. Jim 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

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