Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/20/21 09:42 PM
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Your doing the correct thing in asking for help on your car, determining who is helping and who is B.S. ing you is the hard part Have you tried different starting line stall speeds and different shift RPM for both 1st and 2nd gear yet? Probably not yet but put that on your list to try, do one change or test at a time and keep notes for every run with any or no changes. If it goes way slower or quicker on one run and then goes back to normal throw that run out and try and find out what happen with that run to try and identify the problem, spinning, miss the shift RPM, bogged, time slip error or what ever it was Keep us in the loop, when can you race your car again?
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/20/21 10:11 PM
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Andy, my converter comes out at 5100-5200, 6500 shift points, crosses at 6600-6700. Pretty much stays between 5800-6600 most of the run. I really value your opinion, and I’m thinking with a 1.58 60ft, the single plane is doing well. I thought a performer rpm might not cut it. Your thoughts? Btw, I’m still dialing it in, only about 12 passes so far. I have a pretty similar setup as yours and I run a M1 4500 and a 4150 carb. My best to date 11.35 @ 118 and my 60' needs help and still sorting out the combo. Same weight, 0.40 over 440, 266@0.50 & .600 SFT, Eddy RPM's breathed on a little by Mr. Porter, and 4500 stall. And my best was with leaving it in Drive and letting it shift around 5700, which is below optimal...but I was trying to keep it near 11.50 index at Holley Moparty. When the engine was on the dyno I ran both a Victor and this M1 and they were almost identical on paper. I went with the M1 due to height and I like the angle machined in to keep carb level.
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/20/21 11:21 PM
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Where in CT are you from, and how often do you go to LVD? A gold '67 X sounds right up my alley. (my car below) My .02 - You've got alot of cam already, the TF would take more advantage of it, but as suggested what you really probably need more of is mid range torque, but with your 5100 stall speed it wouldn't get used. I think its worth a try, but you might be better off spending the money elsewhere. There was a mag article from years ago from Steve Dulcich that tested a ton of different intakes on a 440 with really well ported stock heads and a 260 @ .050 solid roller. It was a 620ish HP combo and 666 HP with a tunnel ram. Link is below. The Eddy Victor was worth 10 HP peak and 10 ft lbs at torque peak of 4900 RPM over the M1. I hear the Trick Flow is a bit better than the Victor. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0207-intake-manifold-engine-and-rpm-range-test/I assume 3900 at the line includes you? What do you have for a fuel pump?
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/21/21 12:08 AM
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My first post gives the spec rundown, and so far it’s gone 11.45 at 116.3 I know a huge issue is the 3925# launch weight. But like all of us, we all strive for different things. I'm testing to see how quick and fast this particular 446 combo goes, albeit only 12 passes in. It’s about trying slightly different stuff outside the norm, and I’ve found I learn a lot that way. By that I mean this combo is very far from perfect, but I’m just working my plan. With all your help, gets even better. That’s why I’m here. 116 mph @ 3900 lbs works out to less than 500 hp on the Moroso slide rule. A 440 with TF240 heads, good compression and decent solid cam like you have should make 600 hp on the dyno. So you might have a bigger issue than which intake to use.
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/27/21 09:11 PM
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Jb500, what tire are you running, ratio, and 60 so far? 275/60 MT ET Street 4.10 with 3800# SS Springs 1.61 60' It could be better if I added Skinnies, shocks, and /6 T-Bars, but that's down the road.
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/29/21 09:01 PM
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Did you verify TDC on your balancer and dampener to insure your reading the actual total timing? If not you should, if so have you tried less timing yet? If not I would I haven't built a stock stroke, or stroker, 440 motor with the TF240 heads yet so maybe those heads will make more power at 38 degrees total timing Let us know how your doing as you go faster and quicker, that will help others on here Going Saturday night (tomorrow) specifically to test the timing only. I’ll report in a few days with a full rundown. Very interested in seeing how it reacts going from 38 down to 32 in increments. I’ll definitely post results. Can’t stand it when people don’t share!
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/29/21 09:04 PM
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my black 65 is 440 trick flow 240 30over around 10to1 small solid cam from bullet 252 260 @ 50 car is 3900 1155 @ 116 38 degrees of timing Thanks for the info. Is 38 timing where it runs best? Ever tried different timing?
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Re: M1 vs TF intake on a 440 Questions
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01/29/21 10:46 PM
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my black 65 is 440 trick flow 240 30over around 10to1 small solid cam from bullet 252 260 @ 50 car is 3900 1155 @ 116 38 degrees of timing Thanks for the info. Is 38 timing where it runs best? Ever tried different timing? yes it likes 38
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