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Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: n20mstr] #2869753
01/06/21 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by n20mstr
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It’s kinda funny and pathetic at the same time reading this and thinking back. The funny part is Direct Connection gave us the Bible on running anything from 8’s-14’s with junk parts. Lots of us were running high 9’s to low 10’s with factory heads, stock cranks, and TRW or Sealed Power heavy weight pistons with 2800-3200 pound cars and Super Stock springs. Now with stroker engines, cnc’d heads, lite-weight pistons, better tires, better suspensions, better traction at tracks, etc very few an put the total package to run fast at the track. Impressive DYNO numbers and somewhat pathetic track times. I see guys weekly that are t happy with their performance so instead of working to fix it throw a NOS kit on it. Laugh if you want at the old school ways but I know they had some pretty smart guys putting these packages together. Anyone look looking for those old cams may find them on their Dads parts shelves. I know I still have mine.


First time i might agree with you...lol In the early 90s i had a .030 over 440. lightly ported 906's .509 hyd cam, stock pushrods and rockers. Strip dominator and propart headers. that thing is shifted low enough LOL went 11.90's all day long. A plate with an .073 jet (175ish HP) went 10.40's. Yea it was real basic a lot of stock parts, and yea it was relatively fast back then




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1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: pittsburghracer] #2869755
01/06/21 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


It’s kinda funny and pathetic at the same time reading this and thinking back. The funny part is Direct Connection gave us the Bible on running anything from 8’s-14’s with junk parts. Lots of us were running high 9’s to low 10’s with factory heads, stock cranks, and TRW or Sealed Power heavy weight pistons with 2800-3200 pound cars and Super Stock springs. Now with stroker engines, cnc’d heads, lite-weight pistons, better tires, better suspensions, better traction at tracks, etc very few an put the total package to run fast at the track. Impressive DYNO numbers and somewhat pathetic track times. I see guys weekly that are t happy with their performance so instead of working to fix it throw a NOS kit on it. Laugh if you want at the old school ways but I know they had some pretty smart guys putting these packages together. Anyone look looking for those old cams may find them on their Dads parts shelves. I know I still have mine.


Well I was one of those that hit mine with a 175hp kit cos I wanted to run a 9 which was my goal in 1990. Going from a 10.71 NA to 9's was out of my range money wise, I had fairly good 906's 260cfm, and that 290@.050 sft cam but a mere 9.5>9.7:1, and an850DP on a crap team G, couldn't afford pistons, and a rebuild, already had a 4800 stall and 4.88's, there was prob 1>2 10ths in the chassis but not 8 10ths....motor ran real good NA...on the N20 9 sec pass it trapped@7400 and I didn't wanna do that again with 6pk rods/pistons, that was 2000gms per pot swinging about in there eek and it was the same with the 340 car 12.4's>11.01, and a 10 sec340 car was the goal which didn't exist back then.

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1971 340 'Cuda, best 11.01@122.8 in 1987
Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: rb446] #2876550
01/19/21 12:22 PM
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Could it be?

Probably not

DC test car team old.jpg

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Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: ZIPPY] #2876665
01/19/21 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Could it be?

Probably not


That car has been on jackstands for 25 years.

Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: Transman] #2876689
01/19/21 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Transman

Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Could it be?

Probably not


That car has been on jackstands for 25 years.


Pics shruggy


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Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: fast68plymouth] #2876853
01/19/21 07:04 PM
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I can offer this up to add to the fray. In 1990 I drove my 1967 GTX from CT to Englishtown and ran it. Typical early June weekend, about 80-85 degrees, not bad humidity. It ran almost exactly what some magazines from 1966-67 said it would: 15.29 @ 95.8 mph. No spin off the line. Here’s the drivetrain lowdown:

Original 67 440 c code hp, all original carb(625 abs), single point, stock intake,dual snorkel air cleaner(used on the run), heads(stock steel shim head gaskets), stock manifolds, year one repro exhaust with sonic turbo mufflers(non stock) out through the stock tips, AT, stk converter, stk driveshaft, 3.23 SG, 225/70/15 Goodyear eagle GT’s all around on stock steel rims. Ps,pb, etc all stock engine accessories.
My dad and I took the engine apart and simply honed, cleaned and re-ringed the stock pistons. New bearings. The crank, rods, pistons, cam, lifters, pushrods (the ones that tapered near the lifters, remember those?), rocker arms, etc were all reused, all factory components.

For whatever it’s worth. Thanks for the wonderful memory. And my old notes on a withered paper!

Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: ZIPPY] #2876863
01/19/21 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by Transman

Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Could it be?

Probably not


That car has been on jackstands for 25 years.


Pics shruggy


A friend of the current owner just told me the other day after he sent me this picture. The friend had asked me if I knew all the guys in the pics.
All but one.

Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: ZIPPY] #2876992
01/20/21 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Could it be?

Probably not


That engine doesn't look like it is going to fit in that car! Those headers are crazy.

Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: GOLD67GTX] #2877003
01/20/21 01:23 AM
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The 1967 and earlier RB and B motor had different lifter cups size and heights in the lifters, 1/4 inch instead of the later larger 5/16 cups and balls on the pushrods so the pushrod ends and pushrod lengths are different also, I found that out the hard way back in the early 1970s whiney shruggy


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Re: 80’s or early 90’s MP “recipe” 440 build article [Re: Cab_Burge] #2877046
01/20/21 08:25 AM
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Back when my son (Dizuster here) was in High School.he traded cutting lawns for a Duster. 318 short block, 360 heads and intake, TQ, The only "hot rod" parts were a .484 purple shaft , headers, 2 1/2 exhaust. Wire wheeled and drill lapped the valves. He and buddy swapped it into a 71 Dart . The stock 727 converter and cam kept it from spinning the G60×14s. 4.10 gear corked up. Him and buddy made a million passes in it. Ran 14.0@100 .
Put a lot of bigger motor stuff to shame. Heck it was faster than my bone stock 383 Dart GTS 4 speed convertible (3.23 open, 14.7@95)
Doug

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