Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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It's a 2wd 1-ton. Thanks for the info. I don't have a NV4500 in my possesion yet. I knew there was a difference, just couldn't remember what it was. I do know where there is a NV4500 from a Chevy local to me for $200. Pilot bushing is the same? Any tips or info for the hydraulic clutch set-up? The mounts on the frame rails? I'm diving into new territory....any help is appreciated. GM is always coarse 10 spline, correct?
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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The GM input shaft is shorter, but I don't remember by how much. The pilot is probably a different size but I'm not sure on that and of course the slip yoke will be different.. The GM trans also has some gear ratio differences. Google search info on the NV4500 and you should come up with a bunch of spec's and info on them.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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08/23/20 09:29 AM
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I don't have a NV4500 in my possesion yet. If you have a burning desire for an NV4500 do yourself a favor and either install the fifth gear fix right up front or buy one with a good fifth gear fix already installed. If you don't, you will be.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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Lunched 7 NV4500's in my time driving Cummins trucks, 3 of them were rebuilt with the 5th gear fix. I will never own another Dodge with an NV4500. I have never tried an NV5600 6-speed to see how I could break one of those, but I might try someday...LOL
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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I don't have a NV4500 in my possesion yet. If you have a burning desire for an NV4500 do yourself a favor and either install the fifth gear fix right up front or buy one with a good fifth gear fix already installed. If you don't, you will be. The 5th gear nut loosening was only an issue with the Cummins trucks, not the gas versions. It has something to do with the harmonics of the engine at a certain RPM/MPH.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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08/24/20 08:28 AM
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The 5th gear nut loosening was only an issue with the Cummins trucks, not the gas versions. It has something to do with the harmonics of the engine at a certain RPM/MPH. Thanks for the clarification. I've never had the NV4500 in anything but the Cummins and in fact I have a '98 right now with no 5th gear.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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08/24/20 08:47 AM
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Also of note, the diesel version has a larger input shaft and possibly the output shaft as well, I can't remember about that. The larger input shaft precludes using it in a gas application and vice versa as there is no clutch disc available for the conversion. Also you can't just swap input shafts with the GM version either unless the ratios are the same. It gets to be a little confusing. The best bet is to just get a NV4500 from a mid 90's or so truck with a 360 and go from there. The one I have is from a 97 2500. If you plan to get one from a junk yard be forewarned they are heavy, like 250 pounds heavy so bring help.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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08/24/20 01:04 PM
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I believe the 5th gear issue is due to the nut vibrating off. I think a lot of that falls on the 12 valve working so well at such low RPM, people would lug them around and rattle that 5th gear nut off. I have had several friends with NV4500 trucks and nobody had that problem. But we were all young hot rodders that never lugged anything just high RPM use from us lol. I did have a friend break an input shaft on an NV4500 but that is really the only carnage any of us had.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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08/29/20 09:39 PM
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He has a big block, not a Cummins.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: NV 4500 questions required to
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Is the input shaft the same size as the NP435? Diameter? Same pilot bushing? Spline count? I already have the new clutch for the 400. Same pilot bushing, spline is not the same.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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