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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Dragula] #2812412
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Originally Posted by Dragula
Well that sounds promising....I like their parts.


i messaged them this morning . Wedge blocks at end of this year , look to be 4.320 bore finished need hone @ $US4500.00 .
If this happens i can see a lot of happy racers . And if usable for STK/SSTK even more .
I really dont see a lot of guys who have invested/bought specific stuff junking it and swapping to a new platform

Tex

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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Dragula] #2812426
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I like and build 400 block stroker motors for street and strip up to 750 HP N/A with a single four barrel up
I have built several blown (426 type) Hemi motors as well as several other blown BB and SB Chevy motors blush realcrazy Money talks, make the customer happy grin
I haven't been able to make as much HP per C.I. with a N/A gen 2 426 Hemi motors as I have with a wedge with B1 heads, why I don't know shruggy
Most people have never had a 600 HP pump gas motor, let alone 700+ HP on pump gas shruggy
HP can hurt you and your car if you don't know how control that type HP on the street twocents
No hands on with the latest gen 3 Hemiroid motors, yet shruggy
I'm hoping my next N/A race gas or E85 B1-MC bracket race motor will make north of 1000 HP, well north like closer to 1100 HP luck
The key to making power is the top end, heads, intake, carbs, exhaust and cam and valve train work
But to go as fast as you can you have to get the car perfect from the front bumper bolts to the rear bumper bolts wrenchwhistling grin

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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2812439
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877 WHP turbo $250 junkyard 2006 5.7 hemi


Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: SRT6776] #2812441
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Do you really believe that you can buy one turbo for $250.00? Let alone build a complete motor like his for $250.00?
To many story like this will make some decent people chase the wrong path to HP down

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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2812443
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Do you really believe that you can buy one turbo for $250.00? Let alone build a complete motor like his for $250.00?
To many story like this will make some decent people chase the wrong path to HP down


The engine is $250 from the junkyard, stock bottom end, ARP head studs, gapped rings for boost (same the LS guys have been doing for years), $75 transmission, $100 rear diff. Turbos are chinese knock-off cheapies from eBay, I'd be mad too if I had tens of thousands tied up in some car (that still breaks) and that dakota whooped me.


BTW just checked, the turbos are $319 each.

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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Superfreak] #2812612
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Originally Posted by Superfreak
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by theraif
10 Reasons You’re Better Off With a Big-Block Ford
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/cheap-ford-big-block-460-10-reasons-jon-kaase/


Leave that crap at YellowBullet.


WHY!!
Are you afraid to talk engines?

1st i didnt read it on yb laugh 2nd i thought it was an interesting look at a ford

Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: theraif] #2812628
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The gen 2 hemi is defenetly the best street strip combo. Super easy to make big power, durability, drivability, high revving fun combined with stump pulling torque, looks great under the hood, low overall cost of ownership. up


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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2812649
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Haha, yes, low overall cost is hitting hard right now.

Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: INTMD8] #2812651
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Originally Posted by INTMD8
Haha, yes, low overall cost is hitting hard right now.


Do the cost anaasys, and include resale value. Gen 2 hemi wins


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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2812659
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted by INTMD8
Haha, yes, low overall cost is hitting hard right now.


Do the cost anaasys, and include resale value. Gen 2 hemi wins




You Hemi guys are FUNNY 😄


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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2812669
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel


Do the cost anaasys, and include resale value. Gen 2 hemi wins


Well I'm used to LS engines so buying pushrods at $40 a piece is something new for me.

Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Dragula] #2812715
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boosted LS? I mean honestly the Gen III hemi is a nice engine, but be prepared to spend 3x as much. I guess any boosted engine would work. It depends on your goal and your wallet.

Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: SRT6776] #2812719
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Originally Posted by SRT6776
877 WHP turbo $250 junkyard 2006 5.7 hemi



love the truck but 'aint now way (unless he owns the yard) you can build a 9 second motor that cheap.


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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: tex013] #2812737
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Originally Posted by tex013
Mostly i think it comes down to how quick you want to go . And how motor fits your car .
Big block stock stroke with reasonable rpm will last well in stock block . Aluminium is $ and iron are thin on the ground . Is Bulldog still releasing blocks ? What happened to Callies ?
Small block seems even harder to deal with than big block .
Gen3 seems ok , but you see guys moaning about lack of good blocks even now . Plus decision of efi or carb .
I have 2 rb motors now , one a factory 440 and 1 a World 505 . The 440 short has been together since 2007/8 with a couple different cams and heads . It has gone 10.70@3690 , World is below . Stock block stroker lasted about 18 months before splitting block .
Is that quick enough ?

Tex


You can buy a bulldog block no problem (pre rona), I got one in jan, took 23 days from 1st call to sitting in my garage.

Joe


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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: sr4440] #2812874
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The "cost-is-no-issue" answer is: the ideal street/strip engine is any Gen 3 Hemi minus the 4700 pound Turd they come in. If that whole drivetrain can last the warranty period in those heavy boats imagine how long they will last in a car weighing 1500 pounds less?

Cost being an issue? Turbo any $400.00 Magnum small block with a high-quality turbo, beat the daylights out it and replace it a year or two later with another $400 engine. You could literally do it 20 times for the cost of a Gen 3 if you are not afraid of work.

Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: Grizzly] #2812948
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It surprises me how so many people are so quick to condemn a 440 buildup if it utilizes a stock block b/c it's a "grenade waiting to go off" due to the weak block.
But...so many praise a stock junkyard engine w/ a Chinese ebay turbo.
Both can be cheap and fast, but both also have drawbacks as far as reliability.


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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2813045
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Is the 5.7 in the Dakota an earlier or later engine, and was the 877 still on pump gas? Either way I'm glad someone tried opening the ring gap and pushing it, not sure if others have as I don't follow super close, but its neat that someone tried it and told the world. Maybe it won't live long at 877 WHP, but if it will take that it will probably live a while dialed back to 600 WHP, especially if they added meth injection or used 110+ fuel. The fact is even if the G3 won't live at 500 or 600 RWHP with the cheap turbos there are other guys doing it with LS junk yard engines. And you could put forged pistons in the 5.7 for another 1K and eliminate that as the weak point. I wish I could find a G3 for 250 bucks though, THAT is the part I find un-realistic.

Even if they dialed that all the way back to 500 WHP, which it made on 5 PSI, you're likely going to have a lot into any NA engine to make that power, 440, Hemi, G3, or otherwise. You could always boost a 440 though. Or spray it. The funny thing is the stock G3 Hemi has a stronger block and supposedly weak pistons, the 440s block isn't as strong but I bet those OEM pistons could take a ton of abuse. The real problem for a budget build is the nature of a 50 year old engine is you're just not likely to find a good 440 cheap. Although I see people asking 2K for G3s on ebay anyway, so maybe the typical cost closer than it would seem. One day there won't be any LS truck engines in the junk yard either, and there won't be any junk yard turbo 5.3s either.

I think the answer really depends on the budget, and what you define as ideal. If I needed an aftermarket block and/or was going to spend 15K or more I'm with Joel, I would go G2 Hemi.

Also where is someone getting the 5.7 for $250? Is that typical? What is the going rate for a junk yard 5.7 near everyone else? It seems to be like 2K near me.

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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2813052
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
It surprises me how so many people are so quick to condemn a 440 buildup if it utilizes a stock block b/c it's a "grenade waiting to go off" due to the weak block.
But...so many praise a stock junkyard engine w/ a Chinese ebay turbo.
Both can be cheap and fast, but both also have drawbacks as far as reliability.


You're right, but the 440 block still makes me a bit nervous. After tearing down my no where near 600 HP 440 and finding evidence of cap walk I'm more concerned about 440 block strength than I used to be. I had "too much timing" in it for a bit though, even though I never heard audible detonation.

One big advantage for the modern boosted stuff that I think is often overlooked is how much easier and safer it is to achieve a safe tune, and how much safer and optimal that tune might be. The knock sensors start picking up knock way before you will ever hear it, so you end up putting way less stress on everything, block included. And the ECU will pull some timing if it starts to hear knock. At 600 WHP just a little might be all it takes to break a cast or hyper piston, but at least you've got a chance. A safe tune up on a carb'd, boosted 440? Its anyone's guess, check the plugs, but are you borderline already? So the tuner probably leaves it safe and leaves a few degrees of timing on the table, but that could be 100 HP. Or he gives you the 100 HP and you split the block.

Someone on here had posted that they had installed a knock sensor on their 440 and made over 1000 HP boosted with the stock block, I don't remember who though, or if it was filled/girdled, or how much abuse it held up to.





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Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: GTX MATT] #2813080
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engine masters did a old smoking 440 with trick flow heads with a blow thru turbo set up made 650ish torque @ 3900 rpm , 590 hp @ 5300

Re: What is the ideal Street/Strip Engine these days? [Re: theraif] #2813088
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If I were starting over and could afford it I'd use all Gen 3 stuff, n/a or boosted. If I couldn't afford the Gen 3 I'd go junkyard LS.

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