Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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The starter relay could be bad. The netural switch or wire could be bad. If stick, does it have a clutch in switch? The YELLOW wire from the Ignition switch to the starter relay could be bad. This could be in the bulkhead connector plug or at the ignition switch.
This is where a simple 12 volt test light is a good thing to have. It has a clamp on the long wire and a sharp probe tip to check connectors.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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If it's an automatic try starting it in neutral. Your neutral safety switch may not be activated. Your shift linkage could need adjustment. Good thought but it is a four speed.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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The starter relay could be bad. The YELLOW wire from the Ignition switch to the starter relay could be bad. This could be in the bulkhead connector plug or at the ignition switch.
This is where a simple 12 volt test light is a good thing to have. It has a clamp on the long wire and a sharp probe tip to check connectors.
I beat the heck out of the relay but that didn't seem to help. I may try replacing it, they're not too expensive. I guess I could see a bad connection being the culprit but I'm surprised that bumping the solenoid would fix the problem every time.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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You are bypassing the relays inside contacts when you screwdriver the two lugs on the relay.
Some 4 speed cars has a switch on the clutch pedal that goes the the neutral switch of a starter relay too.
Tri-Cities is 150 miles too far for me to drop over to help, sorry.
If you had that test light I posted above I can tell you how to test each section, one at a time. Just throwing a starter relay on may fix it but there are other things to test too.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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The Auto and stick shift relays are different. RockRuto has repop ones.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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You are bypassing the relays inside contacts when you screwdriver the two lugs on the relay.
Some 4 speed cars has a switch on the clutch pedal that goes the the neutral switch of a starter relay too.
Tri-Cities is 150 miles too far for me to drop over to help, sorry.
If you had that test light I posted above I can tell you how to test each section, one at a time. Just throwing a starter relay on may fix it but there are other things to test too. I do have one of the old test lights and can test the system. The next time it happens I'll chase it down with the test light. Of course, it usually does it when I'm in a parking lot somewhere not when I'm home! Thanks for the good advice.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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With it happening 1 out of 50 starts, maybe just throw a new relay on. Then if it does it again you can chase it.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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With it happening 1 out of 50 starts, maybe just throw a new relay on. Then if it does it again you can chase it.
STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS SR106 $16.22 from RockAuto, $22.94 with shipping and Govenor's share. Yep, that's the way to go. Thanks.
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Re: Key won't start the car but a screwdriver will!
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The Auto and stick shift relays are different. RockRuto has repop ones.
That changed by the 70 where manuals used the same than autos too ( or it was 69? Can't recall ), needing to press the clutch pedal
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