Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: Grizzly]
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Thanks John. Yeah, not the first time a good ol' Fram bash has happened on here. It's progressed though from "heard from my Uncles' Cousin" to first-hand accounts !!! Of course, no photos or video of what most would consider an epic event........... I'd pay good money to have the oil pump that "ruptured the can" above. I'd put it in a Track Hoe and move some dirt with it or a mount it on a Fire Truck for putting out skyscraper fires! Well there must be a reason my local Oreillys doesn't carry fram filters
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: Grizzly]
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05/23/20 02:50 PM
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Q Thanks John. Yeah, not the first time a good ol' Fram bash has happened on here. It's progressed though from "heard from my Uncles' Cousin" to first-hand accounts !!! Of course, no photos or video of what most would consider an epic event........... I'd pay good money to have the oil pump that "ruptured the can" above. I'd put it in a Track Hoe and move some dirt with it or a mount it on a Fire Truck for putting out skyscraper fires! Seriously just cut one open and then cut open a Wix or a factory filter. The difference is VERY noticable. The Fram is made as cheaply as possible. It's fine to have a different opinion but please make it an informed one and not just anecdotal. If you want to use them go right ahead, it's still a free country for the most part but I'll never use another one. And yes many years ago Mopar put out a TSB on the Fram filters for the Cummins application saying they wouldn't warranty an engine as the filters were found to have metal particle contamination in them from the manufacturing process.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: 1DGEMAN]
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05/23/20 03:15 PM
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[quote=Grizzly] Well there must be a reason my local Oreillys doesn't carry fram filters Chain stores are tied to certain brands.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
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05/23/20 05:00 PM
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Years ago my street motor dumped a puddle of oil on the garage floor when a Fram PH8 case bulged and lost seal. Good thing it happened right after the oil change. I had the hood open and saw the oil poor out.... got the motor shut off in time. Now I use nothing but Wix. Ray Barton thinks that Frams are good enough for his pricey motors. https://www.raybarton.com/pages/street-series-hemi That looks like an HP filter to me, very different from a PH8 and probably not a bad filter. PH8 probably okay as a low cost filter for a low performance daily driver. I don't know why anyone that was on Moparts would want one. We're talking mid to late '80s when that filter expansion/oil loss happened (stock 400 in a '77 Cordoba). That's what I get for listening to folks who claimed that Fram filters were the best filters.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: jughed]
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05/23/20 05:39 PM
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Yes I have a PERSONAL bias against FRAM from my above failures. No I did not take pictures or videos so does that mean is did not happen? This was back in 1992-94 time frame. I have used 100's of filters since then with no like failures.
I do not have any personal stake in any Filter company nor do any family or friends so I am not monetarily tied to any one filter.
But does someone on here have a personal stake in FRAM?
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: Dave_J]
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05/23/20 05:53 PM
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(1) If you tried to go after Fram with a claim that their filter was defective, they'd send you a new filter. (2) Fram is like Pennzoil, there are some people that will swear by them regardless. (3) As to Fram going bankrupt, Champion is still in business.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: Moparrob68]
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05/24/20 06:49 AM
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nothing wrong with a Fram PH8a, just depends on where it was made. Downunder the factory that makes Fram, also makes Wix, Toyota Genuine, Repco & probably others. Same filters with different screen printing on the outside, all made for the Australasian market. I'm guessing its the same up in the US/Mexico, people get all brand happy, not realising the competition is made in the same factory. I have seen first hand how some filters differ with the relief, filter core etc... but it all comes down to where the internal parts are sourced from. But if you can fit an HP1, you have stepped up on the filter construction quality.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: dthemi]
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05/24/20 11:20 AM
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i have had fram filters collapse internally causing pressure problems. however, i have had wix filters come with out attachment threads and no gaskets. no pictures of either above problems. i still prefer, recommend, and use wix.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: moparx]
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05/24/20 11:31 AM
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I've never had a problem with Fram filters that I can blame on the filter, but after I started cutting filters open on a regular basis, the cardboard end caps kind of spooked me.
I recently bought a small surplus of Carquest/Wix manufactured filters and found one defective one in the (the cartridge was physically loose and flopping around inside the housing, it rattled when shaken). One bad one out of about 20 purchased.
Buddy of mine lost oil pressure completely with a K&N.
Just saying they can all have defects, have to be careful.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: rebel]
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05/24/20 08:00 PM
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nothing wrong with a Fram PH8a, just depends on where it was made. Downunder the factory that makes Fram, also makes Wix, Toyota Genuine, Repco & probably others. Same filters with different screen printing on the outside, all made for the Australasian market. I'm guessing its the same up in the US/Mexico, people get all brand happy, not realising the competition is made in the same factory. I have seen first hand how some filters differ with the relief, filter core etc... but it all comes down to where the internal parts are sourced from. But if you can fit an HP1, you have stepped up on the filter construction quality. The HP1 is a 40 micron racing filter. It does have a huge amount of filter media compared to a PH8 but the PH8 is a 20 micron. Its like comparing a Wix 51515 to a 51515R
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: Dave_J]
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05/24/20 10:33 PM
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I had a fram collapse internally and take out a engine in my driver. Never again.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
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05/24/20 10:48 PM
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I've cut a bunch of Fram oil filters apart starting back in early 1970s, I stop using them when they went cheap Wix only now , not the high bypass race filters either
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: Grizzly]
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05/24/20 11:24 PM
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Nope. My Dad has been running them since before I was born, and I've been running them my entire life. We're in a good-sized town and everyone here runs Fram and believe Me: if there was a problem, the whole place would have heard about it. Race or no-race. I would have to classify the comments on here as baseless and ignorant. Lol! You’ve obviously never cut one open and seen past the pretty outside of the filter. Just because something glitters doesn’t mean it’s gold.
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Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
[Re: rickraw]
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05/25/20 09:58 AM
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Problem with Fram is they are a cheap filter posing as a good filter. For the way they are constructed they should cost $2. But they cost the same as a Wix or Baldwin filter but are made much much cheaper. Many dont have problems with Frams but like I said- its a $2 that cost $6. Fram and Dorman (Maybe Moog) are iconinc brands that used to make fantastic quality parts that make cheapo crap now.
Keep old mopars alive.
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