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Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar?
Posted By: 70satelliteguy
Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 05:55 PM
Any problems?
Posted By: bigdad
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 06:01 PM
The orange canister of death ..
Napa gold , or Wix for me
Posted By: sixpakdodge
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 06:28 PM
Everything.
If you want to use a Fram, use an HP-1. Otherwise, don't bother.
Posted By: CMcAllister
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 06:48 PM
Not even on a lawn mower. Are you new? That's like Crap to Avoid Like the Plague 101.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 06:55 PM
Not even on a lawn mower. Are you new? That's like Crap to Avoid Like the Plague 101.
With 1100+ post I hardly think he is new.... OP... use a Wix on it and dont worry
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 07:05 PM
Not even good for a boom-stick suppressor. Garbage. Throw it away, and never buy another.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 08:45 PM
Day- ummmm .....
Posted By: gregsdart
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 10:27 PM
Wix 51515 for a bigblock race motor.
Posted By: jwb123
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 10:27 PM
I know they are expensive, but for a race car I like something like a System One filter, it is cleanable, easy to check and see if your engine is making metal, super heavy duty housing never have to worry about them bursting, and eventually it will pay for itself because you never have to buy another filter. On 340's they give you more header clearance. Usually they pick up the oil pressure slightly as well.
Plus you can say you are protecting the environment, no more oily filters in the landfill.
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 10:49 PM
Nope.
My Dad has been running them since before I was born, and I've been running them my entire life.
We're in a good-sized town and everyone here runs Fram and believe Me: if there was a problem, the whole place would have heard about it. Race or no-race.
I would have to classify the comments on here as baseless and ignorant.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 10:59 PM
Nope.
My Dad has been running them since before I was born, and I've been running them my entire life.
We're in a good-sized town and everyone here runs Fram and believe Me: if there was a problem, the whole place would have heard about it. Race or no-race.
I had a Fram on my car and the oil pressure dropped to 10 psi and after checking things a friend
told me to change the filter.. the pressure came right back.. never used a Fram again..
my brother had his pressure fall off I told him to change the filter and it came back up
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 11:08 PM
grizz... Grizz..... GRIZZZZZZZ !
Yur gonna RILE UP some
here !
.....
Posted By: 70satelliteguy
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 11:14 PM
Ordered the Wix racing filter today. Seems I do recall there being issues with them but thought maybe they had fixed the problems.
Besides low pressure what else is the problem?
Thanks Mike
Posted By: DusTed74
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 11:41 PM
Does anyone here have any issues with the Jomar filter.
Thanks................Ted
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/22/20 11:47 PM
Ordered the Wix racing filter today. Seems I do recall there being issues with them but thought maybe they had fixed the problems.
Besides low pressure what else is the problem?
Thanks Mike
They are cheaply made pieces of poo. Search youtube for fram filter comparison. It's all you need to know.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 12:07 AM
If it can stand the pressure use it. All filters have a bypass made into them for a reason, free flowing. Get into the rpms and your high dollar filter ain’t doing squat. If it does stop up guess what happens, no oil pressure. Oil filters on a race car are useless imo since if something breaks you ain’t gonna get it shut off in time to keep the parts out of the pump. If it breaks real good it shuts its own self off after the flames and carnival ride. For iron particles, big magnets in the pan and other places where the oil flows freely, easy to check and clean. Aluminum, brass will not hurt anything, just imbed into the bearings. STREET is a whole nuther animal a good filter Is necessary for the many hours of slow speed running around. Tell me, how can dirt and grit get into your sealed up engine other than thru the carb?
Posted By: Dave_J
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 12:16 AM
Nope.
My Dad has been running them since before I was born, and I've been running them my entire life.
We're in a good-sized town and everyone here runs Fram and believe Me: if there was a problem, the whole place would have heard about it. Race or no-race.
I would have to classify the comments on here as baseless and ignorant.
I had a Fram on my car and the oil pressure dropped to 10 psi and after checking things a friend
told me to change the filter.. the pressure came right back.. never used a Fram again..
my brother had his pressure fall off I told him to change the filter and it came back up
I too had lost 15 PSI on a Fram. Did not think much about it till I dropped all oil pressure at 6000 RPM going thru the traps and my Idiot light came on.
A fellow racer had a spare Wix 51515, Installed it and finished the night and drove home.
A few months later I changed oil and grabbed the last one off my shelf and installed it. In two weeks it too lost about 10 PSI. Pulled the first one out of the trash and cut it open. Found it was all smashed inside, cut the second one and it too was smashed just not as bad.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 12:27 AM
deeJAY ... 15lb loss would indicate to me ON THE SURFACE.... that the filter is actually FILTERING... instead of going on bypass
...
Posted By: Hemi_Joel
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 12:38 AM
Wix 51515R for racing, Wix 51515 for the street.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 12:42 AM
NOW ONLY if we all had THE BANK of SOME PEOPLE on here ...
Posted By: CMcAllister
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 12:52 AM
Nope.
My Dad has been running them since before I was born, and I've been running them my entire life.
We're in a good-sized town and everyone here runs Fram and believe Me: if there was a problem, the whole place would have heard about it. Race or no-race.
I would have to classify the comments on here as baseless and ignorant.
Plenty of guys who have lost engines, crashed cars, chased issues, who would have different experiences to pass along. Pleeenty. Heck, we had issues with them 40 years ago in the dealerships - when a particular OHC engine in a particular vehicle would come in with the cam locked in the head and the engine wrecked. Every single one had an orange engine killer on it.
Specific issues? Cans rupture, cardboard internal parts and filter collapsing, loss of pressure. Maybe your town is lucky, but I've seen enough stuff torn up and tracks oiled that I know it's not an isolated incident when it happens. Your engine, your car. Carry on.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:00 AM
Seriously... seaMaC ..... if people were losing motors and crashing cars because of famously defective products for years AND YEARS ..... I would think —- Fram would be sued and bankrupted BACK into the Stone Age BACK with Rocky from Niles Ohio !!
Posted By: BloFish
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:35 AM
Just run Wix 51515R, and sleep like a baby. Life’s too short to worry about that.
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:37 AM
I had a Fram on my car and the oil pressure dropped to 10 psi and after checking things a friend
told me to change the filter.. the pressure came right back.. never used a Fram again..
my brother had his pressure fall off I told him to change the filter and it came back up
Puh leez.
Is this the "Ford owns Cummins" Old Wives' Club?
I'm sure Fram would have been bankrupt years ago if EVERY guy that put a Fram on had a problem (like you make it sound). They've been an OEM supplier since the '30's.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:44 AM
I had a Fram on my car and the oil pressure dropped to 10 psi and after checking things a friend
told me to change the filter.. the pressure came right back.. never used a Fram again..
my brother had his pressure fall off I told him to change the filter and it came back up
Puh leez.
Is this the "Ford owns Cummins" Old Wives' Club?
I'm sure Fram would have been bankrupt years ago if EVERY guy that put a Fram on had a problem (like you make it sound). They've been an OEM supplier since the '30's.
I couldnt care less what you want to run.. do as you wish
Two filters in the same household.. within 2 years.. maybe we just have bad odds...
Posted By: davenc
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:45 AM
Doc,
This goes back a number of years. I had bought a fairly original 70 E-body with a 383 with 88K on the motor. Second oil change with a FRAM PH8A, started car up, and within about 5-10 seconds lifters start tapping. Look under the car to make sure I didn't do something stupid like add oil back without replacing the drain plug. No puddle. Checked the dipstick; plenty of oil. Started car a second time, lifters immediately tapping, shut it off. Scratched my head for a bit since it was running fine before the oil change. Since it was easy, I put the old oil filter back on the motor, add a bit of oil, and try again. No tick but the motor sounds different. Ended up pulling the motor within 6 months of the incident.
I kept that FRAM filter for a while because I did think about suing FRAM. Of course, I would need to prove it was the filter. I would need an expert to examine the motor parts to prove they were damaged by lack of oil. I would have to defend that it was not just coincidence with a 40 year old car (at the time) with some mileage. Lack of oil for a short time looks like excessive wear right? Likely would I need an attorney.
In the end I decided to do nothing. But motors have been lost to FRAM filters and I share this story when appropriate.
Dave
Posted By: JD Dart
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:48 AM
My worst enemy I wouldn't tell them to use that crap filter I care too much for the engine to suggest suck a wicked thought.
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:53 AM
I couldnt care less what you want to run.. do as you wish
Two filters in the same household.. within 2 years.. maybe we just have bad odds...
Oh, I will.
After running them for 70 years in at least a couple of hundred vehicles, Heavy Equipment, mowers, ATV's, and Motorcycles, I'm not going to buy yours or anyone elses' BS stories.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 01:55 AM
I couldnt care less what you want to run.. do as you wish
Two filters in the same household.. within 2 years.. maybe we just have bad odds...
Oh, I won't.
After running them for 70 years in at least a couple of hundred vehicles, Heavy Equipment, mowers, ATV's, and Motorcycles, I'm not going to buy yours or anyone elses' BS stories.
What ever floats your boat
Posted By: tabletop390
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 04:16 AM
Stay away from a K&N oil filter too. Same oil pressure issues as a Fram. Only nice thing about the K&N are hex’s on the filters
Posted By: jughed
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 04:32 AM
Years ago my street motor dumped a puddle of oil on the garage floor when a Fram PH8 case bulged and lost seal. Good thing it happened right after the oil change. I had the hood open and saw the oil poor out.... got the motor shut off in time. Now I use nothing but Wix.
Ray Barton thinks that Frams are good enough for his pricey motors.
https://www.raybarton.com/pages/street-series-hemi
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 04:45 AM
I haven’t seen near as many cars wrecked because of Fram filters like I used to. Most guys have wised up I’m guessing.
Posted By: Dave_J
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 05:44 AM
I too had lost 15 PSI on a Fram. Did not think much about it till I dropped all oil pressure at 6000 RPM going thru the traps and my Idiot light came on.
A fellow racer had a spare Wix 51515, Installed it and finished the night and drove home.
A few months later I changed oil and grabbed the last one off my shelf and installed it. In two weeks it too lost about 10 PSI. Pulled the first one out of the trash and cut it open. Found it was all smashed inside, cut the second one and it too was smashed just not as bad.
deeJAY ... 15lb loss would indicate to me ON THE SURFACE.... that the filter is actually FILTERING... instead of going on bypass
...
Doc, I ran that PH8 for about 200 miles before that Test & Tune night. Engine sounded fine, just 10-15 PSI down from normal.
I had made 3 passes when I lost oil pressure and the Idiot light came on and I shut it off. This was a 383 in my 65 Barracuda. I run a tee fitting with a mechanical gauge and the idiot light sensor.
I go a tow back to the Pits and asked some of the Mopar and Ford racers if they had a spare filter. Ford racer had a few so I bought a Wix 51515 for what he wanted and made two more runs that night with no more pressure loss. I had bagged the Fram and tossed it in the corner of the garage and forgot about it.
When the second one caused a pressure drop I pulled it off and went with a Napa gold 1515 and had no pressure drop. This is when I cut the first Fram open. It looked like a beer can that was drank and crushed and folded in the center The pleats were all mushed up. But NO metal inside that I could see. I also cut the second one open and it too was damaged but not as bad.
The 383's oil pump ran 40 PSI at idle when hot and would go to 75 PSI above 2500 RPM. It was on the engine when I bought it. It was a HV pump with a stock pressure spring. It was still on the engine when I pulled that 383 and put a 318 in the car.
Posted By: Twostick
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 03:31 PM
Doc,
This goes back a number of years. I had bought a fairly original 70 E-body with a 383 with 88K on the motor. Second oil change with a FRAM PH8A, started car up, and within about 5-10 seconds lifters start tapping. Look under the car to make sure I didn't do something stupid like add oil back without replacing the drain plug. No puddle. Checked the dipstick; plenty of oil. Started car a second time, lifters immediately tapping, shut it off. Scratched my head for a bit since it was running fine before the oil change. Since it was easy, I put the old oil filter back on the motor, add a bit of oil, and try again. No tick but the motor sounds different. Ended up pulling the motor within 6 months of the incident.
I kept that FRAM filter for a while because I did think about suing FRAM. Of course, I would need to prove it was the filter. I would need an expert to examine the motor parts to prove they were damaged by lack of oil. I would have to defend that it was not just coincidence with a 40 year old car (at the time) with some mileage. Lack of oil for a short time looks like excessive wear right? Likely would I need an attorney.
In the end I decided to do nothing. But motors have been lost to FRAM filters and I share this story when appropriate.
Dave
Getting an attorney doesn't change the fact you have to PROVE it was the fault of the filter alone that damaged the engine which is as close to impossible as you can get.
All you need to do is cut open a new Fram and a new Wix. You don't have to know anything about filter technology to know which one to use after that.
Kevin
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 03:42 PM
I would have to classify the comments on here as baseless and ignorant.
The negative responses are too predictable, mostly based on the old internet "oil filter study" of years past that was mostly an eyeball comparison.
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 04:19 PM
Thanks John.
Yeah, not the first time a good ol' Fram bash has happened on here. It's progressed though from "heard from my Uncles' Cousin" to first-hand accounts !!!
Of course, no photos or video of what most would consider an epic event...........
I'd pay good money to have the oil pump that "ruptured the can" above.
I'd put it in a Track Hoe and move some dirt with it or a mount it on a Fire Truck for putting out skyscraper fires!
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 04:41 PM
X10 !!
Posted By: jcc
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 05:04 PM
I read here awhile back about the insanity of using the dreaded "Orange" filter that I was continuing to use on my third Tacoma, now with 500K+, so I switched to the Silver Fram.
Posted By: 340Cuda
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 05:11 PM
Years ago my street motor dumped a puddle of oil on the garage floor when a Fram PH8 case bulged and lost seal. Good thing it happened right after the oil change. I had the hood open and saw the oil poor out.... got the motor shut off in time. Now I use nothing but Wix.
Ray Barton thinks that Frams are good enough for his pricey motors.
https://www.raybarton.com/pages/street-series-hemi That looks like an HP filter to me, very different from a PH8 and probably not a bad filter.
PH8 probably okay as a low cost filter for a low performance daily driver.
I don't know why anyone that was on Moparts would want one.
Posted By: AndyF
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 05:33 PM
Years ago my street motor dumped a puddle of oil on the garage floor when a Fram PH8 case bulged and lost seal. Good thing it happened right after the oil change. I had the hood open and saw the oil poor out.... got the motor shut off in time. Now I use nothing but Wix.
Ray Barton thinks that Frams are good enough for his pricey motors.
https://www.raybarton.com/pages/street-series-hemi Maybe Barton puts Fram filters on those engines so he'll get some business doing rebuilds.
Posted By: 1DGEMAN
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 06:13 PM
Thanks John.
Yeah, not the first time a good ol' Fram bash has happened on here. It's progressed though from "heard from my Uncles' Cousin" to first-hand accounts !!!
Of course, no photos or video of what most would consider an epic event...........
I'd pay good money to have the oil pump that "ruptured the can" above.
I'd put it in a Track Hoe and move some dirt with it or a mount it on a Fire Truck for putting out skyscraper fires!
Well there must be a reason my local Oreillys doesn't carry fram filters
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 06:50 PM
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Thanks John.
Yeah, not the first time a good ol' Fram bash has happened on here. It's progressed though from "heard from my Uncles' Cousin" to first-hand accounts !!!
Of course, no photos or video of what most would consider an epic event...........
I'd pay good money to have the oil pump that "ruptured the can" above.
I'd put it in a Track Hoe and move some dirt with it or a mount it on a Fire Truck for putting out skyscraper fires!
Seriously just cut one open and then cut open a Wix or a factory filter. The difference is VERY noticable. The Fram is made as cheaply as possible. It's fine to have a different opinion but please make it an informed one and not just anecdotal. If you want to use them go right ahead, it's still a free country for the most part but I'll never use another one.
And yes many years ago Mopar put out a TSB on the Fram filters for the Cummins application saying they wouldn't warranty an engine as the filters were found to have metal particle contamination in them from the manufacturing process.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 07:15 PM
[quote=Grizzly]
Well there must be a reason my local Oreillys doesn't carry fram filters
Chain stores are tied to certain brands.
Posted By: jughed
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 09:00 PM
Years ago my street motor dumped a puddle of oil on the garage floor when a Fram PH8 case bulged and lost seal. Good thing it happened right after the oil change. I had the hood open and saw the oil poor out.... got the motor shut off in time. Now I use nothing but Wix.
Ray Barton thinks that Frams are good enough for his pricey motors.
https://www.raybarton.com/pages/street-series-hemi That looks like an HP filter to me, very different from a PH8 and probably not a bad filter.
PH8 probably okay as a low cost filter for a low performance daily driver.
I don't know why anyone that was on Moparts would want one.
We're talking mid to late '80s when that filter expansion/oil loss happened (stock 400 in a '77 Cordoba). That's what I get for listening to folks who claimed that Fram filters were the best filters.
Posted By: AndyF
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 09:22 PM
I used Fram filters back in the 80's along with most everyone else. It wasn't until sometime in the 90's that a buddy showed me the inside of a Fram filter and I realized that they were cheap junk. I switched then to Wix since they have a more robust construction. These days I use the small factory 409 filter on all of my Mopar cars. I use a factory Toyota filter on my Toyota.
Posted By: Dave_J
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 09:39 PM
Yes I have a PERSONAL bias against FRAM from my above failures. No I did not take pictures or videos so does that mean is did not happen? This was back in 1992-94 time frame. I have used 100's of filters since then with no like failures.
I do not have any personal stake in any Filter company nor do any family or friends so I am not monetarily tied to any one filter.
But does someone on here have a personal stake in FRAM?
Posted By: 6PakBee
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/23/20 09:53 PM
(1) If you tried to go after Fram with a claim that their filter was defective, they'd send you a new filter.
(2) Fram is like Pennzoil, there are some people that will swear by them regardless.
(3) As to Fram going bankrupt, Champion is still in business.
Posted By: Moparrob68
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/24/20 02:48 AM
Jomar no bypass from Hughes saved 2 engines when lifters failed. Will never use anything else!
Posted By: rebel
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/24/20 10:49 AM
nothing wrong with a Fram PH8a, just depends on where it was made. Downunder the factory that makes Fram, also makes Wix, Toyota Genuine, Repco & probably others. Same filters with different screen printing on the outside, all made for the Australasian market. I'm guessing its the same up in the US/Mexico, people get all brand happy, not realising the competition is made in the same factory. I have seen first hand how some filters differ with the relief, filter core etc... but it all comes down to where the internal parts are sourced from. But if you can fit an HP1, you have stepped up on the filter construction quality.
Posted By: 383man
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/24/20 11:07 AM
I will just say this...….for years I used Fram filters until I heard some bad about them. And that's the only reason I have not used them for a while. I used them in the 70's and 80's and I have never lost an eng and never had any oil pressure problems when I was using Fram. Ron
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/24/20 11:52 AM
Fram filers should be used to make prison coffee, cuz they deserve grinds.
Posted By: moparx
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/24/20 03:20 PM
i have had fram filters collapse internally causing pressure problems.
however, i have had wix filters come with out attachment threads and no gaskets.
no pictures of either above problems.
i still prefer, recommend, and use wix.
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/24/20 03:31 PM
I've never had a problem with Fram filters that I can blame on the filter, but after I started cutting filters open on a regular basis, the cardboard end caps kind of spooked me.
I recently bought a small surplus of Carquest/Wix manufactured filters and found one defective one in the (the cartridge was physically loose and flopping around inside the housing, it rattled when shaken). One bad one out of about 20 purchased.
Buddy of mine lost oil pressure completely with a K&N.
Just saying they can all have defects, have to be careful.
Posted By: Dave_J
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 12:00 AM
nothing wrong with a Fram PH8a, just depends on where it was made. Downunder the factory that makes Fram, also makes Wix, Toyota Genuine, Repco & probably others. Same filters with different screen printing on the outside, all made for the Australasian market. I'm guessing its the same up in the US/Mexico, people get all brand happy, not realising the competition is made in the same factory. I have seen first hand how some filters differ with the relief, filter core etc... but it all comes down to where the internal parts are sourced from. But if you can fit an HP1, you have stepped up on the filter construction quality.
The HP1 is a 40 micron racing filter. It does have a huge amount of filter media compared to a PH8 but the PH8 is a 20 micron. Its like comparing a Wix 51515 to a 51515R
Posted By: 68 HEMI GTS
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 02:33 AM
I had a fram collapse internally and take out a engine in my driver. Never again.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 02:48 AM
I've cut a bunch of Fram oil filters apart starting back in early 1970s, I stop using them when they went cheap
Wix only now
, not the high bypass race filters either
Posted By: viperblue72
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 03:24 AM
Nope.
My Dad has been running them since before I was born, and I've been running them my entire life.
We're in a good-sized town and everyone here runs Fram and believe Me: if there was a problem, the whole place would have heard about it. Race or no-race.
I would have to classify the comments on here as baseless and ignorant.
Lol! You’ve obviously never cut one open and seen past the pretty outside of the filter.
Just because something glitters doesn’t mean it’s gold.
Posted By: UCUDANT
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 03:51 AM
Posted By: rickraw
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 11:45 AM
Lol
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 01:58 PM
Problem with Fram is they are a cheap filter posing as a good filter. For the way they are constructed they should cost $2. But they cost the same as a Wix or Baldwin filter but are made much much cheaper. Many dont have problems with Frams but like I said- its a $2 that cost $6. Fram and Dorman (Maybe Moog) are iconinc brands that used to make fantastic quality parts that make cheapo crap now.
Posted By: 340Cuda
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 02:08 PM
Buddy of mine lost oil pressure completely with a K&N.
The tests I have seen have not rated the K&N highly.
Posted By: jughed
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/25/20 07:26 PM
I've cut a bunch of Fram oil filters apart starting back in early 1970s, I stop using them when they went cheap
Wix only now
, not the high bypass race filters either
I use both types of Wix. I think I'll stock up on more of them....you never know when a company will go the cheap Chinese route (like Fram did).
Posted By: moparx
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 04:12 PM
at one time, there was a group buy for WIX filters.
is that still in effect ? [i haven't researched this]
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 04:17 PM
at one time, there was a group buy for WIX filters.
is that still in effect ? [i haven't researched this]
I get mine locally at napa. The girl that works there calls me twice a year when they have their 40-50 percent off sale. I just bought 125.00 worth for my motorhome, truck, car, and race cars.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...-filters-for-moparts-members.html#UNREAD
Posted By: moparx
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 04:32 PM
yeah john, i just missed that sale this year !
any chance for a heads up when the second one will be ?
my napa is only two miles away.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 06:07 PM
yeah john, i just missed that sale this year !
any chance for a heads up when the second one will be ?
my napa is only two miles away.
I posted about it on abodyonly when it started. I will try to remember to remind you buddy.
Posted By: 340Cuda
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 06:34 PM
at one time, there was a group buy for WIX filters.
is that still in effect ? [i haven't researched this]
Yes there is:
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...-filters-for-moparts-members.html#UNREAD
Posted By: Mopar Mitch
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 08:33 PM
I was planning to use the Fram PH8A as an initial startup filter with hi-Zinc break-in motor oil... figure ~2-hours max (flat tappet, hyd)... then change the springs, etc... and then throw away that Fram PH8a for a better filter... racing PH1 or other as I've always used throughout the season..
Any opinions on just using the PH8a as a quick break-in then throw away filter?
Posted By: AndyF
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 08:41 PM
Odds are that it will work just fine.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 10:01 PM
I was planning to use the Fram PH8A as an initial startup filter with hi-Zinc break-in motor oil... figure ~2-hours max (flat tappet, hyd)... then change the springs, etc... and then throw away that Fram PH8a for a better filter... racing PH1 or other as I've always used throughout the season..
Any opinions on just using the PH8a as a quick break-in then throw away filter?
Are you feeling lucky?
Why take a chance
,
Buy and use a good filter on your new motor
BTW, I run my new motors with flat tappet cams for 20 to 30 minutes at or above 1500 RPM to break in the cam and lifters and then change the oil and filter and cut the filter open for inspection before running the motor again with the new oil and filter
The reason for me doing this is I have had two brand new hydraulic flat tappet camshafts that had no taper ground on the lobes and they both started eating the lobes in those 20 to 30 minutes which was trapped in the Wix oil filters
Murphy loves messing with us hot rodders and racers
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 10:10 PM
I was planning to use the Fram PH8A as an initial startup filter with hi-Zinc break-in motor oil... figure ~2-hours max (flat tappet, hyd)... then change the springs, etc... and then throw away that Fram PH8a for a better filter... racing PH1 or other as I've always used throughout the season..
Any opinions on just using the PH8a as a quick break-in then throw away filter?
Why do you hate your engine?
Why would you spend thousands of dollars on a new engine then cheap out and not spend $6 or $7 for a good filter?
Posted By: moparacer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 10:10 PM
Orange canister of death lol. Never heard that one.
I have used the Fram HP racing filters on my engines before in a pinch and broke them in with whatever is cheap I can get my hands on at the time. Never had one collapse. Mostly I use a system 1 filter.
Honestly I think the Fram filter collapsing thing is the exception not the norm.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 10:46 PM
Someone from the LEFTY COAST needs a really good filter TO FILTER OUT those excessive smilies !
AND ... if a good filter is required AT ALL it’s during the break in period ...
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 11:29 PM
I wonder if that
guy ever used a TP canister type ... rumor has it that Charmin has the bestest filtering quality’s. !!
Posted By: tboomer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/26/20 11:36 PM
Stay on topic Doc...
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 01:42 AM
You don't remember all the hype on T.V. in the late 1950 and early 1960 selling those add on oil filters that used T.P rolls instead of using standard oil filters?
I wish I could remember the name of that company, I never used them either
Man I must be getting old, HUH DOC
Posted By: Dave_J
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 04:21 AM
You don't remember all the hype on T.V. in the late 1950 and early 1960 selling those add on oil filters that used T.P rolls instead of using standard oil filters?
I wish I could remember the name of that company, I never used them either
Man I must be getting old, HUH DOC
Frantz was one.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 07:12 AM
You don't remember all the hype on T.V. in the late 1950 and early 1960 selling those add on oil filters that used T.P rolls instead of using standard oil filters?
I wish I could remember the name of that company, I never used them either
Man I must be getting old, HUH DOC
Frantz was one.
That sounds correct, THANKS
Posted By: CSK
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 04:21 PM
You don't remember all the hype on T.V. in the late 1950 and early 1960 selling those add on oil filters that used T.P rolls instead of using standard oil filters?
I wish I could remember the name of that company, I never used them either
Man I must be getting old, HUH DOC
Frantz was one.
That sounds correct, THANKS
Amsoil Sold the same thing , not sure if they still do.
Posted By: bigdad
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 06:30 PM
Friend used a K & N on a furd , it blew the canister apart and he almost crashed .. I'll pass on those also
Posted By: JAKE68
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 07:59 PM
You don't remember all the hype on T.V. in the late 1950 and early 1960 selling those add on oil filters that used T.P rolls instead of using standard oil filters?
I wish I could remember the name of that company, I never used them either
Man I must be getting old, HUH DOC
Frantz was one.
That sounds correct, THANKS
Amsoil Sold the same thing , not sure if they still do.
No they do not. In fact if you cut one of their filters open they are identical to a wix racing filter or napa gould.
Posted By: Dave_J
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/27/20 08:17 PM
You don't remember all the hype on T.V. in the late 1950 and early 1960 selling those add on oil filters that used
T.P rolls instead of using standard oil filters?
I wish I could remember the name of that company, I never used them either
Man I must be getting old, HUH DOC
Frantz was one.
That sounds correct, THANKS
Amsoil Sold the same thing , not sure if they still do.
This is not a full flow system any more.
The Franz and Amsoil are now a 'Bypass' oiling system where a small amount of oil is tee'ed off the main filtered oil feed to go thru the Toilet Paper. It can not flow enough to supply the engine in full flow. The Bypass'ed oil is filtered down to 2 microns and then just dumped back into the oil pan.
A Fram PH8 and Wix 51515 are about 20 microns. Tests have said that anything above 5 microns is bad for long term use.
The Fram PH8A, HP1 and Wix 51515R are about 40 microns and the idea is that you will dump the oil after so many races, RACES not street miles.
Posted By: tboomer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 07:39 PM
Ok...So my wife picked up a NAPA Gold for my 64 Dodge and one for my 95 Ram 1500 with a 5.9 magnum. The total for the pair was 17.00 without sales tax. Fram filters sell for a lot less at the farm store. I always run Wix or Napa Gold on the drag car but the old Ram I usually put a cheap farm store filter on it. That truck has almost 190000 miles on it and no problem with oil pressure...
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 07:54 PM
I’m good for awhile
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 08:04 PM
Ok...So my wife picked up a NAPA Gold for my 64 Dodge and one for my 95 Ram 1500 with a 5.9 magnum. The total for the pair was 17.00 without sales tax. Fram filters sell for a lot less at the farm store. I always run Wix or Napa Gold on the drag car but the old Ram I usually put a cheap farm store filter on it. That truck has almost 190000 miles on it and no problem with oil pressure...
I think most off brand filters are made better than the Fram. I would use anything else than a Fram.
Posted By: tboomer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 08:34 PM
Thanks guys..Got enough filters on hand John??
Posted By: mopars4ever
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 08:35 PM
Menards has PH8A for $3.45 each.
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 08:50 PM
Menards has PH8A for $3.45 each.
Maybe Grizzly will go buy a gross of them!
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 09:17 PM
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Ok...So my wife picked up a NAPA Gold for my 64 Dodge and one for my 95 Ram 1500 with a 5.9 magnum. The total for the pair was 17.00 without sales tax. Fram filters sell for a lot less at the farm store. I always run Wix or Napa Gold on the drag car but the old Ram I usually put a cheap farm store filter on it. That truck has almost 190000 miles on it and no problem with oil pressure...
I think most off brand filters are made better than the Fram. I would use anything else than a Fram.
So BANJOnes .... anything else ??!! ... even considering mopXs suggestion of Dollar Tree TP ?
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 09:20 PM
Menards has PH8A for $3.45 each.
Maybe Grizzly will go buy a gross of them!
No GRIZZZ cleaned out the local Dollar General!
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 09:21 PM
Thanks guys..Got enough filters on hand John??
Ya I’m good. It’s nice getting a heads up call and getting them at 40-50% off during their biannual sale. She’s a real cutie and great at looking up and getting me parts for my 50 year old junk cars.
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 05/29/20 10:25 PM
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Ok...So my wife picked up a NAPA Gold for my 64 Dodge and one for my 95 Ram 1500 with a 5.9 magnum. The total for the pair was 17.00 without sales tax. Fram filters sell for a lot less at the farm store. I always run Wix or Napa Gold on the drag car but the old Ram I usually put a cheap farm store filter on it. That truck has almost 190000 miles on it and no problem with oil pressure...
I think most off brand filters are made better than the Fram. I would use anything else than a Fram.
So BANJOnes .... anything else ??!! ... even considering mopXs suggestion of Dollar Tree TP ?
No TP is too far scarce these days to even consider that! I remember seeing those ads as a kid and couldn't understand how that would not come apart and clog up the sump. I mean hell even my finger breaks through that stuff once in awhile.
Posted By: moparjohn
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 07/01/20 12:59 AM
I have read this oil filter post from the start.
There were a couple of replies about the K&N filters.
I had been using the HP-3001 with no problems.
So after reading this I decided to install a WIX filter and see if there was an oil pressure increase?
I didn't notice much of a change in pressure.
But I decided to cut the filter open and see what it looked like inside.
The part that shows in my picture is where it was distorted a bit.
From those in the know what are your thoughts on the distortion?
Thanks! MJ
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 07/01/20 01:22 AM
I don't think that is a big deal. Looks like they had room for more pleats though.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 07/01/20 02:19 AM
I've cut a bunch of different brand oil filters apart for inspections, I don't remember seeing that in any of the Wix filters I've inspected
I have seen that in other brands, maybe they are in a hurry and don't do very good quality control
Posted By: 340Cuda
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 07/01/20 01:54 PM
While I am sure they are adequate, the reviews of K&N oil filters I have seen, compared to others have not been that great.
Posted By: bigdad
Re: Anything wrong with a Fram PH8a for racecar? - 07/01/20 04:20 PM
I have a new , from the early 90's HP-1 in my cabinet if anyone wants to buy it --just one, also have 1 direct connection filter in there too and several wix both street and strip versions