Just continue to repeat every doomsday piece of trash report, warning, study, poll, finding manifestation, bad dream, rumor, etc, that these dirtbag "news" organizations spread like it's the gospel. They thrive on the public being in a panic. And they are in overdrive trying to keep this alive as a crisis until November.

That was debunked a long time ago. Even so, people have been dumping their cats at shelters or at places like my house as a result of this crap. Bats are known to be health risks, rabies, etc. My advice - DON'T EAT THEM OR KEEP THEM FOR PETS and you will be okay.

It was appropriate weeks ago when the expert's models turned out to be crap and millions of people weren't going to die. Except for a few "Petri dishes" like NYC, it's not been an issue. People get the flu all the time. Old people, people with COPD and fat people die of pneumonia all the time. The difference is now we have a boogieman to use to panic the public. Lots and lots of folks are taking advantage of that fact and are doing everything they can to string it out as long as possible.

I don't completely understand using Sweden as a comparative measure

Sweden
1.2m Population
29.7k ill 2.48% got sick
3.7k of the ill dead 12.46% died

US
328m Population
1.46m ill 0.45% got sick
88.2k of the ill dead 6.04% died

If we used Swedens method applied to our population and their ill/dead ratios

We would have:
8.13m ill
1.01m Dead

I cannot believe that it's only Swedens Old Fat Dieseasd that are dying.

Numbers, numbers, numbers. Everyone is talking numbers to validate their opinions. Based on what I see in my state, I don't pay attention to their numbers - or I assume they are worse than an honest reflection of reality - because they've been cooking the books, using bogus methods to add numbers and being very vague and defensive about their methods and reasoning for any decisions being made. In other words, they're full of it.

Logic tells me that it's happening plenty of other places that I'm not paying close attention to. Probably worse.

If the truth is sooooo bad, why do they feel the need to BS everyone and do everything in secret?

It seems very apparent that New Zealand had a very successful national strategy that worked. The Prime Minister there seems to understand her role as a national leader.

Yeah, an isolated country with minimal population is a relevant example here.

Guarantee if that strategy was attempted here the death count would be substantial.

https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand-coronavirus-elimination/

She understands leadership and she is accountable for her actions.

Where's the stroking one off emoji when you need one...

I see an outbreak of guys having a headache or cough from allergies claiming that they have had Coronavirus. 😂

I found these statistics interesting as well:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107905/number-of-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

I like how people like to compare the US to these small countries with largely homogeneous societies, restricted immigration, no real criminal underclass, a generally benevolent government and strict controls over their borders. Being an island helps. Comparing the US to New Zealand is like comparing metro NYC to the two small counties in central PA where I live and operate.

"A well-known journalist here once wrote a book about New Zealand called “The passionless people.” It was meant to be a withering critique of the national character: indifferent, unemotional, complacent. Be that as it may, now, in the midst of a major crisis, a certain calmness seems to have served New Zealanders well."

Americans are not New Zealanders, just as New Yorkers are very different from my neighbors.

New Zealand was shutdown as well. Everyone went along, and when it was deemed safe, they opened back up. No dragging it out. No big production. No groups of people wanting it to go on indefinitely, Seemingly no one trying to gain wealth, fame and/or influence from the crisis. Maybe they even have an honest news media. A very different place.

Some folks use Norway to bash the US as well. Just saying.

My interest in other countries was sparked by posts here. Looking at numbers shed light on issues that trickle down to how poorly the people of the world are informed by the people that serve them. There is no way to draw any conclusions from socially engineered data.
We're dealing with something that has not been seen (in it's current form) and it's wreaking havoc around the world. The best minds the world over have not been able to get ahead of it.
Regarding numbers, if there was a way to get accurate data a real picture would emerge with demographic data that I feel would be similar the world over. One thing I've been wondering is perhaps our mortality rate is high due to the poor physical condition of many us citizens.

Well, it could be 'cause the hospitals make bank whenever it says CORVID as the cause. And some state officials have motives for making the crisis drag out as long as they can keep it going. I wonder if other nations are doing similar tactics.

Interesting. lacking data (again) never know what % of dx people end up in hospitals. I've tried to unweave the data the CDC puts out and while it contains some info there is no way to correlate it to state data. Some it's possible yet the CDC publishes ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/county-map.html ) number ranges that are too wide:

i.e.
0
<20
21 - 58
59 - 181
182 - 407
408 - 1,193
1,194 - 2,390
2,391 - 35,329

Regardless here is a lot of info on the pages, no way to verify some.
per chance if the actual info is something held tight for some reason it's beginning to show.
There are too many countries where the %'s do not align to draw conclusions.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/futu...en-high-income-and-developing-countries/

Seems while we are being consumed by cheerleading and infighting the real business of dealing with the bug, economic fallout and long-term mitigation are being lost.

In Saturday’s Wall Street Journal there is a good article on page A2 titled
Learn the Numerical Language of COVID-19
By the female author
Jo Craven McGinty.

It explains
total % of population infected
Herd immunity %
fatality rate
R
R(naught)

I am going to continue to read, analyze, and even reread articles on disease and many other subjects.

I know this may shock you,
but the ones I think interesting
I may even post and suggest reading to others.

I believe the superior solution to faulty talk and thinking
is MORE good thinking and talk,
not censoring “bad” talk or thinking,
although I will not falsely yell FIRE in a crowded theatre.

I have not read all 76 pages of this.

My prime observation is that a lot of fearmongering is going on.

The number of reported cases increase daily to a truly staggering number.
The number of deaths increase daily.
The number of recovered increase daily but is largely ignored.


An example:
10 people are infected
3 people die.
5 people recover.

That looks like 18 people are involved but in reality only 2 people are sick.

There's no drama, excitement, or advertising dollars in two people being sick. That could be mistaken for a success by the current administration. In these days of extreme political angst there is no possible way that the current administration can be allowed to succeed. If that means death and destruction to the country, so be it. All other attempts to destroy it have failed so you can't let a good crisis like this go to waste.

The tendency for the media to dramatize everything in the name of headlines and advertising dollars is killing us.
The unwillingness for the two political parties to play nicely together is killing us.

The people of this country are getting screwed by the virus, media, and the politicians.

We're going to have this fight for a long time.

As kids we were taught to leave no stone un-turned, and also a rolling stone gathers no moss.
It's good to be inquisitive and to know wth is going on, on all fronts. Who can we trust?
Constantly moving while appearing random or aberrant currently is utilized and serves a purpose. Are we distracted?
It does not take much to realize our unsustainable thirst for quarterly profits has pushed us to the brink that CV 19 is now pushing us past the teetering point, a good sized earthquake at the right (wrong) place could start an avalanche. Anybody have a crystal ball ?

Some data on the stats you presented:

In the US-

Coronavirus Cases: 1,509,341
Deaths: 90,134
Recovered: 339,232

(28% of 1.5M) 429,366 - Cases which had an outcome:
(22.5% of 1.5m) 339,232 (79%) - Recovered / Discharged

(6% of 1.5m) 90,134 (21%) - Deaths

That leaves 72% unresolved and the above %'s change with un or mis reported data.
In fairness deaths are fairly certain +/- and using you example <1 per 10 would die

Source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This is another area where data is lacking and my search for info on this seems to indicate that (again) more data is needed by medical professionals as to if the virus is laying dormant within bodies or if antibodies are sufficiently developed to arrest manifestations.

Some thought provoking, if not provocative definitions can be found in the "Links" section of this page:

https://wikis.evergreen.edu/civicintelligence/index.php/Distorting_History

Did anyone else watch Fareed Zakaria GPS this morning? I don't usually watch him anymore due to his overt agenda, but his "MyTake" at the beginning of this morning's show was spot on. I tried to link to it, but since it is the current episode, it is not on the web site yet. When it does come up, I will post it. Well worth the time to watch it.

The segment was primarily about the growing mistrust of the 'elite' minority that makes decisions for the majority while not understanding or empathizing with that majority. Very much to the point of what this thread has become about. Well worth the time to watch.

40 years ago I assumed that the people in charge cared about me and were trying to help me by building and maintaining a just society. But I gradually came to the conclusion that the people in charge are often greedy pigs who are abusing their position of power in order to make themselves rich and they not only don't care about me, they might actually hate me since I might get in the way of their power grab. This view might paint with too broad of a brush, but it isn't hard to find examples that prove the point. In fact, I think you can find examples of it on a daily basis by just scanning the media.