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Posted By: not_a_charger

The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:12 AM

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Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:17 AM

Well the morons have closed all the dining rooms and bars in Ohio but you can still order takeout or delivery. This will wreck many families on the edge of poverty twocents
Gus
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:28 AM

So would getting sick and dying. The difference is death is permanent.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:32 AM

I was suspicious when a few of the big box stores announced on Fri? they were reducing hours of operation "in order to restock".

Nobody is buying TV's CD's, pillows, weed killer, etc.

That doesn't hold water, they normally do it after rush hours when there are less then a handful of shoppers, I know, that's when I'm in the store.

I can't believe its a low skill staff shortage, a lot of people are idle, beginning now.

I believe there is a real supply chain shortage, which they are afraid to announce as it will just ramp up more panic buying, hoarding.

So WH has press conference today and the main message is oddly, with this WH, "buy less"?

With all the food restaurants closing, I would think one would need to "buy more" or is it tomorrow going to be "eat less"?

Sorry, I don't believe very much anymore from the above source.
Posted By: BlwnCrcab

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:32 AM

They did it in IL also
Posted By: DrCharles

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So would getting sick and dying. The difference is death is permanent.


Exactly. Besides, isn't there a relief package coming including paid leave for those who don't have it?

MGM just closed all their "resorts" in Las Vegas, too. I'm not worried about the bosses, they'll be raking it in soon enough. The staff will be hurting economically though.

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Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:48 AM

We are doing the isolation thing. Wife and I are working from home. Kids are both doing school online. Schools seem to be on top of it, they have their lessons and schedules laid out including gym and special subjects which is good. Have to give them credit for that.

Had some things cancelled this weekend due to the virus that I was really looking forward to. Communicating a lot with friends through text, everyone is in the same boat just sitting at home doing nothing or at least most of them are. Some are in denial like it's no big deal and are just going about their business like usual.

My wife is kind of freaking out. Had a neighbor come over to use my drill press today, seemed like she didn't want him to be there. Garage doors wide open, no one has any symptoms. Seemed like he did not think it was a big deal, felt like a weird situation to be in, there was an uneasy tension. She went and bought tons of food last week which I guess was OK since it seems like going out into public is almost a non-option at this point.

Our 11 year old has a heart condition. He is doing about as well as we could hope health wise but his cardiologist called to say we should be prepared to keep him isolated for 8 weeks. 8 weeks. I'm not seeing how that's going to work.

Having no regular sports on TV is brutal. Hockey was going down the final stretch, baseball was about to start, no NCAA tourney...

At least it's been nice out here. Plenty of car and garage and house stuff to work on, maybe I can actually finish some something for once.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:54 AM

11 year old with heart condition, I'm with your wife. up

Does she carry? eek
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
11 year old with heart condition, I'm with your wife. up

Does she carry? eek


Ha, right.

You'd never know the kid has a heart condition. The suggestion of prolonged isolation for him is because he is (obviously) more susceptible to get an infection in one of his replaced valves. I'm not overly worried about it at the moment since everything is pretty much shut down around here, there's really nowhere to go. At some point he will have to go back out into the world and he will be fine.

What's amazing is that some of our kids friends' parents are asking about play dates. shruggy
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy
Well the morons have closed all the dining rooms and bars in Ohio but you can still order takeout or delivery. This will wreck many families on the edge of poverty twocents
Gus



Same in Pittsburgh as of midnight for at least two weeks
Posted By: Satilite73

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 03:44 AM


Nobody is buying TV's CD's, pillows, weed killer, etc.

I chuckled a little at this comment because we were out shopping for a TV today after our (7 year) old one bit the dust yesterday. There's some good deals out there right now.......


Back to virus................I worry a little about being a carrier and not realizing it being around my elderly Mother as much as I am. She's not out and about much regardless, but I'm around her on an almost daily basis. I have to work, I can't stay home. And I'm the one that helps my Mother with her daily chores, shopping, etc.
Posted By: kidmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 03:51 AM

How do I pronounce this guys last name ? ? ? ANTHONY FAUCI ? shruggy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci
Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Satilite73

Nobody is buying TV's CD's, pillows, weed killer, etc.

I chuckled a little at this comment because we were out shopping for a TV today after our (7 year) old one bit the dust yesterday. There's some good deals out there right now.......


Back to virus................I worry a little about being a carrier and not realizing it being around my elderly Mother as much as I am. She's not out and about much regardless, but I'm around her on an almost daily basis. I have to work, I can't stay home. And I'm the one that helps my Mother with her daily chores, shopping, etc.


Same for me with my mother - i am trying to be more proactive safety-wise


There are some good future travel deals too
Posted By: kidmopar

Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 03:55 AM

NOW ! Ive heard it all ........... eek

https://www.coinworld.com/news/pape...ce=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition
Posted By: calmopar

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:50 AM

You do what you have to do to save lives. We're not doing enough, and what we are doing, we doing late. It is, however, better than doing nothing.

I know some businesses are going to close over this and that's a tragedy. We're close to a lockdown. My kids and I just stay home. Anything that gets delivered (Amazon, mail) gets put into a big box and zapped with the ozone generator.

We made a pact with our next door neighbors to isolate but still hang out with one another. That has helped a lot with the stir-crazy. The dad and I both agreed that if one family slips (meaning his wife, really), the deal is off.

My kids are young enough to be statistically safe. I'm 57 with sleep apnea and hypertension. I'd really prefer to avoid getting this. If I do, though, I don't want it to be in the middle of the first wave where hospitals are not yet overwhelmed with people are dying in the hallways.
Posted By: Hemi_Joel

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 06:04 AM

It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it.
Posted By: srt

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 06:48 AM

I've been sequestered at home with my wife because of her knee replacement in erly feb, and am glad I have.
I've finally talked sense to three of our adult children, while the other two (smokers) continue throw caution to the wind.
As I understand from reading and talking with two doctors is the virus effects ones lungs. Reduced lung capacity and scarring are the immediate effect and residual diminished lung capacity may likely be the toll on any individual. Effects seem to balance on the condition of ones lungs going into an infection.
Lets all be safe and considerate of others. Taking an attitude of "young enough" may cost one their life. I'll respect the experts and hope a majority of us get through this.
Let's also hope it was not created in some lab to be a super bug. Whatever it is, it appears to be widespread and well rooted in the populace. How the heck did that happe? Humanity has been forever changed, we will wake up tomorrow and this will be worse. It's real and frankly it's scary. I have not yet wrapped my head around economic effects and can only think dark thoughts on that.
I hope with additional tests there may be a way to corral hot spots to give science time to develop a vaccine. That is the best for now.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by kidmopar
How do I pronounce this guys last name ? ? ? ANTHONY FAUCI ? shruggy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

f (f)an, lea(f)
aʊ M(O)UTH, h(o)w
tʃ (C)hina, (c)atch
i HAPP(Y), med(i)ocre

I'd think it's prounced Fao-chee with a long o and accent on the chee
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 07:21 AM

We're self isolating too at this point (and other than one engagement earlier today, have been for the last week too).

Keep in mind, self-isolating doesn't mean just sitting at home in the house. Going for a drive should be just fine. Going for walk or hike in a secluded area is just fine. Even if you pass the occasional other person on your walk it's probably fine, so long as you don't cough in each others mouths laugh2

The goal is to avoid other people, not just sit in the house and go stir-crazy.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 08:29 AM

As of 9 PM my wife was still sick with headache, sore throat and fever of 99.4F
I am headache, sore throat, chest pain and 99.2F fever. Not high enough to go for Covid-19 testing.

So not knowing what hit us Sunday morning we are quarantining in place.
Posted By: That AMC Guy

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it.


That's the way I see it, too. Media-induced mass hysteria. Influenza took over 27,000 people last year. Corona Virus so far has taken 108. Apparently, only the elderly, and those with compromised immune systems and lung issues need seriously worry. But then, look at how many elderly pneumonia takes each year.

What really pisses me off is they've Cancelled the Portland Swap Meet this year!! Both the Expo and PIR are CANCELLED. I look forward to that every year as it's one of few times I get to escape back to civilization.

I suppose luckily for me, back in January, my retarded former employer decided all his problems would go away by firing me. He did have to pay me out nearly 20 large as I'd been at the store almost a decade. When he told me I wasn't going to get my bonus, I slugged the SOB. But that's a whole other story....

So, I've been at home for 2-months living happily off my windfall, catching up on projects and generally being way happier than I used to be. I wish winter were over, that's for sure. But not having to work in a public place anymore with this crazy bug going around.... the idiot did me a favor!
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it.

Probably not lethal to an otherwise healthy person. The problem is those healthy people pass it on to people that have underlying medical conditions and the elderly. Consider this, the virus was first identified in one province in China in late November. In less than 4 months it has spread around the entire earth. So when you say things like that what you are really saying is, so what? It's OK that the sick and elderly die.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 10:38 AM

The CDC, WHO, and every infectious disease expert on the planet seem to disagree with all of the people who have recently earned Facebook medical degrees, so I'll go with the views of the former.

Here's the story of how the virus spread in South Korea. 1 person. That's it. That's all it took.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

Posted By: Mr T2U

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 10:49 AM

shutting down large events is the right thing to do.

learn from history.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...-were-devestating/ar-BB11d77l?li=BBnb7Kz
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 11:37 AM

We should face this with the courage our grandparents and greatgrandparents showed in 1918.

Follow the advice from Dr Fauci in order to free up the USA number of advanced hospital beds and ventilators.

After this is over
strongly urge the powers that be
to fund the Army and Navy to have field hospitals and hospital ships
with enough advanced beds to match what
South Korea has in their system.
The cost of this added equipment will be far less than 1% of the cost of slowing down our vast USA economy with “Social Distancing.”

Why do the South Koreans have this larger capacity of hospital beds?
Because of the constant threat of
surprise attack from North Korea
with Nuclear, Chemical and
BIOLOGICAL weapons.
Posted By: therocks

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 12:02 PM

Its hit bottom here They just closed the Casino up the road from us.Have to wonder how hard it was to get people out.Thats especially if they were on a winning machine.Rocky
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 12:11 PM

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The CDC, WHO, and every infectious disease expert on the planet seem to disagree with all of the people who have recently earned Facebook medical degrees, so I'll go with the views of the former.
Yep, It is called common sense. Some don`t have any.
Posted By: bigdad

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 12:41 PM

It does seem a bit odd that they are closing everything ..

I went to town about 15 miles from me, small grocery store but always clean and tidy ..even the crazies had wiped that store out, she said they had came from as far as 100 miles to buy all the TP ..nuts
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 12:58 PM

Guitar... wave

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Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 01:59 PM

That is funny.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:07 PM

haha
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:32 PM

Did I hear correctly the being passed paid sick leave act exempts companies with over 500 workers? eek
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Did I hear correctly the being passed paid sick leave act exempts companies with over 500 workers? eek

looks like it: Bill <- Click Unless ammended

Re the 1918 Pandemic there was a lot of unintentional social distancing with few cars, few roads and thoroughfares, lots of farms and relatively small population compared with today.
Posted By: Hemi_Joel

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it.

Probably not lethal to an otherwise healthy person. The problem is those healthy people pass it on to people that have underlying medical conditions and the elderly. Consider this, the virus was first identified in one province in China in late November. In less than 4 months it has spread around the entire earth. So when you say things like that what you are really saying is, so what? It's OK that the sick and elderly die.


what I want to know is, what is the difference between this virus and every other flu and pneumonia virus that is continually circulating, killing tens of thousands of people in our country every year? Why is this the one that has to have the major panic and over-reaction? Why not any of the others?

Did Tom Hanks die?
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 02:55 PM

I think the Northern Italy private party open air balcony Opera serenades are quaint and make for good press on the nightly news.

But I'd be damned if I want to be on my balcony during a national pandemic quarantine with nearby neighbors of unknown COVID status singing their lungs out for their 15 minutes of fame.

Hope this doesn't catch on in our inner cities.

Just sayin.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by srt
I've been sequestered at home with my wife because of her knee replacement in erly feb, and am glad I have.
I've finally talked sense to three of our adult children, while the other two (smokers) continue throw caution to the wind.
As I understand from reading and talking with two doctors is the virus effects ones lungs. Reduced lung capacity and scarring are the immediate effect and residual diminished lung capacity may likely be the toll on any individual. Effects seem to balance on the condition of ones lungs going into an infection.
Lets all be safe and considerate of others. Taking an attitude of "young enough" may cost one their life. I'll respect the experts and hope a majority of us get through this.
Let's also hope it was not created in some lab to be a super bug. Whatever it is, it appears to be widespread and well rooted in the populace. How the heck did that happe? Humanity has been forever changed, we will wake up tomorrow and this will be worse. It's real and frankly it's scary. I have not yet wrapped my head around economic effects and can only think dark thoughts on that.
I hope with additional tests there may be a way to corral hot spots to give science time to develop a vaccine. That is the best for now.


The following is from a doctor friend of mine in NY - just got this this AM:

Eric,

That is so funny but true!

So in response to a few emails ago- yes remdesrivir may have activity against this virus- and I am certain it will be tried in sicker patients.

There are a few other drugs that may be effective as well- at least in mitigating some of the symptoms.

In addition- the first human test patient will be vaccinated today. This is unbelievable. Talk about red tape being eliminated. They went from isolating the protein structure of this to making a vaccine to be tested in under 4 months. It will be limited- but I imagine will be widespread by the late fall/early winter at this pace.


Stay safe!


Jim
Posted By: calmopar

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it.

Probably not lethal to an otherwise healthy person. The problem is those healthy people pass it on to people that have underlying medical conditions and the elderly. Consider this, the virus was first identified in one province in China in late November. In less than 4 months it has spread around the entire earth. So when you say things like that what you are really saying is, so what? It's OK that the sick and elderly die.


what I want to know is, what is the difference between this virus and every other flu and pneumonia virus that is continually circulating, killing tens of thousands of people in our country every year? Why is this the one that has to have the major panic and over-reaction? Why not any of the others?

Did Tom Hanks die?


Fair question. Here is a comparison from the former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/heal...u-comparison-frieden-analysis/index.html
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
As of 9 PM my wife was still sick with headache, sore throat and fever of 99.4F
I am headache, sore throat, chest pain and 99.2F fever. Not high enough to go for Covid-19 testing.

So not knowing what hit us Sunday morning we are quarantining in place.


This SAME thing (symptoms of yours) went through my family the middle of Feb. My youngest daughter (25) got it first - low grade fevers for first 3 days, dry cough, generally feeling lousy all over. Then she started feeling better & was fine a week later. Then I started feeling it on Sunday 2/16. Felt LOUSY all the following week - low grade fevers all week, dry cough, sore lungs (something I've never felt before) for 3 weeks, a little bit of a sore throat & sore ears. I went to my doctor on Sat. 2/22. They did blood work, chest X-ray, urine sample, etc. Gave me a shot of Depomedrol & put me on an antibiotic just-in-case, & 36 hours later I was feeling a lot better. Now - feeling fine. Then my other daughter got it & my wife had symptoms - both had it mild. In my wife, the cough has held-on. We may have very well had this, before all the hype.

Typically, if I get something like this, it's usually in the dead of winter - Dec, Jan. VERY unusual for me to get something like this this time of year. You guys should be fine - just like getting over the flu. Keep us posted!
Posted By: srt

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda
remdesrivir

We're all in this together. Interesting read about Remdesrivir <-click
I think back to when I was first dx with leukemia. I was fortunate to have a family friend with a home 2 blocks from UCSF where I was treated. On their bookshelf was a 1950's version of a Merck Medical Manual. I read about treatments for leukemia. There was none, considered uncurable with 3 month survivability, it recommended trying anything. It mentioned agents like alcohol, chlorine, ammonia, or similar agents.
People are dying, will continue to die, to shrug shoulders is not in my personality.
Posted By: Hemi_Joel

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by calmopar
Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it.

Probably not lethal to an otherwise healthy person. The problem is those healthy people pass it on to people that have underlying medical conditions and the elderly. Consider this, the virus was first identified in one province in China in late November. In less than 4 months it has spread around the entire earth. So when you say things like that what you are really saying is, so what? It's OK that the sick and elderly die.


what I want to know is, what is the difference between this virus and every other flu and pneumonia virus that is continually circulating, killing tens of thousands of people in our country every year? Why is this the one that has to have the major panic and over-reaction? Why not any of the others?

Did Tom Hanks die?


Fair question. Here is a comparison from the former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/heal...u-comparison-frieden-analysis/index.html


You are citing an opinion article by an organization that has zero credibility who is using dubious information from an individual who will profit from an overreaction and who also has a political agenda. This is exactly the sort of thing that some of us believe is designed to induce panic.

I'm looking for real facts and real answers about this please.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
what I want to know is, what is the difference between this virus and every other flu and pneumonia virus that is continually circulating, killing tens of thousands of people in our country every year? Why is this the one that has to have the major panic and over-reaction? Why not any of the others?

Did Tom Hanks die?


THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR IT.

A large percentage of flu related deaths tend to be elderly people who are already health compromised and don't get a flu shot. The reason it does not kill as many people every year is because enough people get a flu shot. And even if you get the shot, you can still get the flu but generally symptoms will only be mild which allows your body to fight it off easier. No flu shot, you're on your own.

If you get it the COVID-19 virus it does not necessarily mean you are automatically going to die. Per the CDC/WHO info out there, 80% of people who get it will only experience mild fever cold/flu like symptoms and be over it within a shorter time. But, if you are elderly (60-older) and/or also have an underlying health condition, (name your disease/condition here) you are at a much higher risk of becoming severely ill from complications resulting from contracting the virus. This group of people are the ones who are feeling the brunt of the virus.

Like said already, if you are otherwise healthy, contracting the virus may not necessarily mean anything to you personally but if you somehow mange to contract the virus and continue to spread it through close contact, you are putting exponential numbers of people beyond your immediate family/friend circles at risk. It's not a political issue in any way shape or form, it's a regular-everyday people dying issue. This is why its important not to be cavalier about it and take it seriously.

People in the interior of the country are about a week behind those of us on the coasts which are where most of the points of entry into this country are. Maybe you will get lucky and not have as many cases/deaths as we have had here already. Locking down everything beyond essential services will theoretically slow the spread of the virus but we won't get a real read on it until we can do mass testing to see who actually has the virus.

In a way, our situation could wind up being worse than China's since the virus has been allowed to run unchecked through our population without any real mitigation. Good or bad, China has the ability to enforce these severe draconian lock down measures and also can build hospitals with 1,000s of beds in 10 days. We don't even have widely available testing yet so we really have no clue how many people may actually have it. We probably won't see the peak of cases for a little while. Hopefully the lock down will slow it a little.
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 03:46 PM

I'm hearing through the grapevine Texas is going to join the early states in shutting down businesses and those who can will be working from home. Supposed to be announced @ 6:00 PM today, I can't find a documented source yet. This is making 1938 look like a cake walk.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:01 PM

Wow, did you really read any of the links posted in this thread? How about the one on how it exploded in South Korea by just one person? If you can't see how highly contagious this virus is and how lethal it is to the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions as compared to other viruses then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you should try doing some research on your own since you don't trust anyone else. BTW, whether Tom Hanks lives or dies is really of no consequence to the situation.
Posted By: moparx

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:01 PM

in regards to the need for ventilators, where are they made ?
do we even make components for them ?
beer
Posted By: migsBIG

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:02 PM

next 48-72 hours should be interesting in this area.
Posted By: jcc

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by 3hundred
I'm hearing through the grapevine Texas is going to join the early states in shutting down businesses and those who can will be working from home. Supposed to be announced @ 6:00 PM today, I can't find a documented source yet. This is making 1938 look like a cake walk.


Lets see if I stay within the guardrails here. Heard today Individual #1 is tele-conferencing with 50 officials in every state.

I suspect that will be a nationwide roll out of more robust isolation measures, in that all responses to the pandemic seemed to be driven by the sinking dow jones.

How did I do?
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:16 PM

I give you an A+.
Posted By: jcc

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:22 PM

Then why am I wearing the dunce cap? biggrin
Posted By: moparx

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:32 PM

depends on where you are positioned in the class.

if you are at the blackboard, could you be considered the "head of the class" ? biggrin
beer
Posted By: second 70

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:38 PM

Here's how fast it will be spreading here. Not in this article but 40 year old DiCenso reported she was at women's day march,city council meeting, assoc. meeting,several restaurants then bar hopping and hugging everyone because it was her birthday. Without any symptoms she has infected an unknown amount of people. The elderly and sick that contacted her or people who had contact with her risk a chance of death. I would rather stay home for a couple of weeks if it even prevents 1 death. These old people are somebody's parents.

https://www.sj-r.com/news/20200315/springfield-park-board-member-confirms-she-has-covid-19
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:47 PM

It's also not just solely old people with comorbidities that are having trouble with it.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_35531ff4-66d9-11ea-95b0-7797f71d169a.html

(Healthy 45 year old male on a ventilator with covid-19 and double pneumonia)
Posted By: srt

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
How did I do?

A, if you wrote: ".....in that the sinking dow jones seemed to have driven all responses to the pandemic" then A+
Posted By: calmopar

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 05:01 PM

Maybe this article will be useful?

https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingr...ica-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270

Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel


I'm looking for real facts and real answers about this please.
Posted By: srt

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 05:21 PM

wth does the 3rd from the last paragraph have to do with what is needed right now.
Posted By: jcc

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
It's also not just solely old people with comorbidities that are having trouble with it.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_35531ff4-66d9-11ea-95b0-7797f71d169a.html

(Healthy 45 year old male on a ventilator with covid-19 and double pneumonia)


That was a rather sobering read. The way it starts out so relatively benign, and the way seemingly the fevers rise and fall over days and then it goes quickly downhill even when under a Dr's supervision.
Posted By: skicker

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by calmopar
Maybe this article will be useful?

It was 6 days ago...
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
As of 9 PM my wife was still sick with headache, sore throat and fever of 99.4F
I am headache, sore throat, chest pain and 99.2F fever. Not high enough to go for Covid-19 testing.

So not knowing what hit us Sunday morning we are quarantining in place.


Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda
This SAME thing (symptoms of yours) went through my family the middle of Feb. My youngest daughter (25) got it first - low grade fevers for first 3 days, dry cough, generally feeling lousy all over. Then she started feeling better & was fine a week later. Then I started feeling it on Sunday 2/16. Felt LOUSY all the following week - low grade fevers all week, dry cough, sore lungs (something I've never felt before) for 3 weeks, a little bit of a sore throat & sore ears. I went to my doctor on Sat. 2/22. They did blood work, chest X-ray, urine sample, etc. Gave me a shot of Depomedrol & put me on an antibiotic just-in-case, & 36 hours later I was feeling a lot better. Now - feeling fine. Then my other daughter got it & my wife had symptoms - both had it mild. In my wife, the cough has held-on. We may have very well had this, before all the hype.

Typically, if I get something like this, it's usually in the dead of winter - Dec, Jan. VERY unusual for me to get something like this this time of year. You guys should be fine - just like getting over the flu. Keep us posted!

It does not matter right now if what we have is Covid-19 or the common Flu going around. What matters is SOMEONE was sick and decided it was nothing and went out in public to spread the wealth. That person is one of the many that did not take precautions and the MAIN reason these Virus's become Pandemic's.
My wife and I are breaking the chain by NOT going out and staying in isolation.

So, the few on here that think this is a hoax, I hope (and pray) that you recover 100% from this virus WHEN it hits you. Its not IF if you do not take heed and protect yourself and your love ones. But it may skip you and hit your mother/sister/child because you though "Its nothing to worry about".

And as of this morning, Wife still same and running 100.2F. I am the same and running 100.8F. Still below the local guidelines for the Covid-19 testing. It is so far better for us to stay isolated. Our son and daughter call a few times a day so we have that lifeline.
Posted By: second 70

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 05:49 PM

You know it's deadly when isis who uses suicide bomber says not to enter Europe.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-isis-on-the-coronavirus-11584314005
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 06:05 PM

https://www.cdc.gov/


Attached picture CDC.jpg
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by skicker

haha Can I have some pablum to go with that?
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 07:08 PM

Ohio postponing tomorrow's election, closing additional businesses (gyms, rec centers, movie theaters, several others).
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 07:44 PM

Just read this one - (the stat tables do not show here): Here's the link: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/covid19_the_numbers_tell_the_story.html

Covid-19: The numbers tell the story
By Marc Shepard


By merging datasets recently made available by the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Johns Hopkins University, I’ve gathered some truly fascinating trend statistics on the global penetration of Covid-19 which I’m now prepared to share. There are 20 infected countries on page one of my analysis – and these are their stories.

Coronavirus (Covid-19) Global Penetration Statistics by Country as of 3/14/2020 08:00 GMT



Data Image Copyright © 2020 by Marc Sheppard

You’ll notice that this particular data-snapshot contains population, new cases reported, deaths and recoveries by country of exposure. I’ve added 5 columns for each metric: total, today, last 5 days, 6-10 days ago, and 11-15 days ago are calculated for each in order to spot trends.

I’ve also added percentages of cases per population, fatalities per caseload, and recoveries per caseload, by country and worldwide.

The 2020 populations came courtesy of a UN dataset which I joined to an ECDC dataset for daily new case and death details and a JHU-CSSE dataset for recovery details. The latter 2 are updated daily at 0800 GMT.

I was tempted to submit the result-set without comment, but perhaps I should get the conversation started.

Coronavirus (Covid-19) – By the Numbers

Note: When reading this section, please keep in mind that its analysis was penned based on older data (3/14/20). I’ve added an update including latest data table in the final section. Together, the 2 days’ data tell quite the fast-paced story. Hang on to your hat.

Now then, I’ve sorted the result-set descending by caseload, which, of course, puts the country where it all began, China, on top by a wide margin with 80,973 confirmed cases, 3,194 deaths and 64,196 patients recovered. Given a population of 1.44 Billion, that’s a 0.005626 % infection rate (that’s 1 in 19,011); a 3.94 % mortality rate and a 79.28 % recovery rate thus far.

Additionally, over the past 15 days, cases and deaths are both trending WAY down while recoveries trend up. A great sign of successful countermeasures policy.

A note on mortality rates – There’s high confidence that all are quite overstated in the case of Covid-19, due primarily to its tendency to manifest light or zero symptoms in over 80% of its hosts, who subsequently dismiss their illness as a common cold. As such, the denominator of its mortality calculations are heavily understated, causing the overstatement of the calculated percentage. As testing becomes more widespread, this problem should self-correct.

That said, to say that Italy is less encouraging than China would be quite the understatement. Italy places with 17,660 cases, 1,268 deaths and 1,439 recoveries. Italy has the highest mortality rate (in the top 20) at 7.18% and more than half its cases (10,285) were reported in the past 5 days (very bad). And of all nations with populations exceeding 500,000, Italy ranks #1 in infected rate at 0.029209 % (that’s 1 in every 3,424 people).

But it’s the past 15 days which concern me the most. 11-15 days ago, there were 1852 new cases. 6-10 days ago, 4873. And the 10,285 in the past 5 days represents 58% of the nation’s cases. Hmmmmm.

Italian fatalities in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 63, 286 and 902. In the latest data, they reported 252 Covid-19-related deaths.

Italian recoveries in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 440,440, and 817. The latest data reported 394 Covid-19 recoveries.

The show position goes to, of all places, Iran. 11,364 cases, 514 deaths and 2,959 recoveries. It has the 2nd highest mortality rate at 4.52 % and 42% of its cases (4,798) were reported in the past 5 days. Infection rate is a moderate 0.01353 % (1 in 7,390).

Cases reported in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 2,091, 4,230 and 4,798. The latest alone they reported 1289 Covid-19 cases.

Iranian fatalities in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 51, 117 and 320. In the latest data, they reported 85 Covid-19-related deaths.

Iranian recoveries in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 738, 1387, and 825. In the latest data, they reported NO Covid-19 recoveries.

S Korea’s (#4) infection rate (0.015772 %) is similar to Iran’s. But check out the declining cases, flat fatalities, and rising recoveries over the past 15 days, while Spain (#5), France (#6) and Germany (#7) cases and fatalities have exploded in that time, although recoveries show a favorable trend.

Here at home (#8), as of 3/14/2020 datasets, there are only 2,174 confirmed cases in the USA. That’s a 0.000007 % rate (1 in 152,255). And, not to minimize these passings, but for all the hype -- There’ve been only 47 deaths attributed to the virus (mortality = 2.16 %) in America ever.

But US cases in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 65, 429 and 1620. In the latest data, they reported 511 new Covid-19 cases. And almost 75% of cases were reported in the past 5 days. Definitely on a steep rise.

And US fatalities reported in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 9, 12 and 26. In the latest data, they reported 6 Covid-19 deaths.

Pretty similar to Spain, France and Germany.

Except that US recoveries in the past 15 days, in 5-day increments were 0, 0, and 5. In the latest data, there were NO Covid-19 recoveries.

But remember, we’re just getting started here.

The hope, of course, is that the American path more closely follows that of China than Italy or Iran. But that road may be a rocky one, as China’s authoritarian government employed measures which either wouldn’t or couldn’t ever fly here in the States.

Well, most of them anyway. Seems we’re just beginning to test what will and won’t fly here when citizens are freaked. Aggressively forced “social distancing” measures, including cancellation of sports events and closing of theaters, seemed unthinkable just a week or two ago. Never happen here, right? Tell that to “March madness” fans or lovers of the Great White Way.

And where do you suppose the idea of extending school vacations began? If the query evoked images of Pandas and chopsticks, you’re getting warm.

Of course, obliging citizens to wear protective masks, enforced by tracking systems resident on their phones couldn’t happen here either, right? Or 50 million people on forced lock-down as was the city of Wuhan and nearby towns in Hubei province as they received mandatory quarantine?

And even if such draconian measures were adopted, they’d come with no guarantees. In Italy, a similar albeit less military shutdown effectively quarantined 100,000 people. Schools were suspended, travel restrictions were imposed, public swimming pools and parks remain closed. And yet – 252 people died there in the latest data.

And just imagine building not one, but two hospitals in as many weeks here. By the time you completed the paperwork, inspections, zoning abatements, environmental sign-offs, permits and myriad other “particulars” required before you even broke ground, the crisis would have ended, and not well, I dare say.

Now -- Let’s look at the latest data

Coronavirus (Covid-19) Global Penetration Statistics by Country as of 3/15/2020 08:00 GMT



Data Image Copyright © 2020 by Marc Sheppard

I just downloaded the latest datasets and reran my analysis code. Let’s take a look.

China still looking good – only 22 new cases and 9 new deaths, and 1464 new recoveries. Korea added 76 cases (compared to 107 yesterday) and only 3 deaths.

On the bleaker side, in the latest data, Spain added 1522, France 838 and Germany 733 cases, compared to 1227, 785 and 693, respectively. New deaths were 15, 12 and 3, respectively. Then again, Spain registered 324 recoveries today – that’s 62.66% of Spain’s recoveries, all in 1 day.

Iran added 1,365 cases and 97 deaths since yesterday.

But Italy only added 90 new cases today (compared to 2,547 yesterday) and 527 recoveries, but also 173 new deaths, bringing their mortality to 8.12 % and infection rate to .029357 % (1 in 3,406).

And the US? Up 777 cases to 2,951 and 10 deaths in the latest data. That still equates to nearly 75% of US cases being reported in the past 5 days. Infection rate has risen to 0.000892 % (that’s 1 in 112,108 Americans, still a VERY low number). Still only 5 recoveries in past 15 days, but that corresponds to the low age of the caseload here. US Mortality is a nominal 1.93%, but AGAIN, this figure is overblown as previously explained.

To recap – Europe could be in real trouble. While Spain, France and Germany are in the midst of surges in both cases and fatalities (notwithstanding the latter dropping off a bit today), they’re in relatively good shape compared to Italy. With 58% of its 17,660 new cases and 71% of its 1268 deaths occurring in the past 5 days (as of yesterday), and 48 % of its 17,750 new cases and 67.80 % of its 1,441 deaths occurring in the past 5 days (as of today) the numbers don’t tell a promising story for Italy, notwithstanding today’s “better” results.

Asia appears to be in much better shape, with numbers for high case-counts China and South Korea apparently on track for a happy ending.

The fact that neither Africa nor South America appear to be infected (yet) is telling. Or is it?

And what does it all mean for America, whose numbers suggest a story told with a decidedly European accent?

I hear a lot of talk of the need to “flatten the curve” of new cases. As a data analyst rather than physician or epidemiologist, it seems to me that the recovery and mortality rates are comorbid indicators, of equal if not greater significance to the case-count as together they measure the severity of the disease rather than its proliferation. And that, my friends, may very well determine just how this story ends.

Graphic credit: Pickpik

Marc Sheppard is a data analyst, software engineer, and writer. He’s been a frequent contributor to American Thinker and welcomes your mshep@optonline.com.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 08:22 PM

One of the fastest and already proven treatments that could help....

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-antibodies-covid-survivors-patients.html

Sample quote

With a vaccine for COVID-19 still a long way from being realized, Johns Hopkins immunologist Arturo Casadevall is working to revive a century-old blood-derived treatment for use in the United States in hopes of slowing the spread of the disease.

With the right pieces in place, the treatment could be set up at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore within a matter of weeks, Casadevall says.

The technique uses antibodies from the blood plasma or serum of people who have recovered from COVID-19 infection to boost the immunity of newly infected patients and those at risk of contracting the disease. These antibodies contained in the blood's serum have the ability to bind to and neutralize SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Casadevall—a Bloomberg Distinguished Professor of molecular microbiology and immunology and infectious diseases at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and School of Medicine—published a paper on the proposal today in The Journal of Clinical Investigation.

"Deployment of this option requires no research or development," he says. "It could be deployed within a couple of weeks since it relies on standard blood-banking practices."

In this case, physicians would ask patients who recover from COVID-19 to donate their blood, from which sera would be isolated. After processing the serum and removing other toxins or trace illnesses, it can be injected into sick patients and those at risk of contracting the disease. The procedure for isolating serum or plasma is a long-established technology that can be performed using equipment normally found in hospitals and blood-banking facilities, and recent advances make it as safe as a blood transfusion, Casadevall says.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 08:26 PM

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-simple-calm-coronavirus-uncertainty.html

Sample quote

"The human mind is automatically attracted to the worst possible case, often very inaccurately," says Martin Seligman, who founded the field of Positive Psychology and runs Penn's Positive Psychology Center. "Catastrophizing is an evolutionarily adaptive frame of mind, but it is usually unrealistically negative."

To refocus the mind, Seligman suggests a simple exercise called "Put It in Perspective," which starts by conjuring the worst-case scenario, which our minds tend to do first, then moves to best-case scenario, and finishes with the most likely scenario. The idea is to redirect your thoughts from irrational to rational.

End quote
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 08:29 PM

In a 'movie' about rushing a vaccine out for a minor virus. While not based on true facts, they did enough research of the worlds medical records to write the script.

Movie I AM LEGEND

Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 08:38 PM

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-coronavirus-vaccine-volunteer-1st-shot.html
Posted By: MONC

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
In a 'movie' about rushing a vaccine out for a minor virus. While not based on true facts, they did enough research of the worlds medical records to write the script.

Movie I AM LEGEND




OMEGA MAN - Heston 1970s... among other virus movies...
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 09:26 PM

Someone mentioned the US Navy having Hospital ships to house these quarateened people. That I know they have only 2 and I do not know the status of them. You can read about them here http://www.navalorder.org/articles/2016/8/28/an-overview-of-hospital-ships

Most of the WW2 Hospital ships were AH- and were US Army Hospital (AH) ships piloted by US NAVY crews. I had a few family members serve on board these ships in WW2.
AH-6 USS Comfort was decommissioned is used as a training ship.
AH-7 USS Hope was scrapped in 1978.
AH-8 USS Mercy was scrapped in 1970.
Posted By: Nukechargerboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Someone mentioned the US Navy having Hospital ships to house these quarateened people. That I know they have only 2 and I do not know the status of them. You can read about them here http://www.navalorder.org/articles/2016/8/28/an-overview-of-hospital-ships

Most of the WW2 Hospital ships were AH- and were US Army Hospital (AH) ships piloted by US NAVY crews. I had a few family members serve on board these ships in WW2.
AH-6 USS Comfort was decommissioned is used as a training ship.
AH-7 USS Hope was scrapped in 1978.
AH-8 USS Mercy was scrapped in 1970.


TODAY’S HOSPITAL SHIPS
USNS MERCY
Today, the Navy operates two dedicated hospital ships, the USNS Mercy (T-AH-19). and the USNS Comfort (T-AH-20). Both ships were converted from San Clemente-class supertankers. Mercy was on line in 1986 and Comfort launched in 1987. They are huge, equivalent to the height of a 10-story building and the length of three football fields. Both serve as 70,000-metric-ton symbols of how much America cares as a nation and as a people. If a tanker can be transformed into a symbol of hope, consider how the Mercy and Comfort transform the health-care professionals aboard.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 09:48 PM

Six Bay Area counties just issued a stay in place order.
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 03/16/20 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
It's also not just solely old people with comorbidities that are having trouble with it.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_35531ff4-66d9-11ea-95b0-7797f71d169a.html

(Healthy 45 year old male on a ventilator with covid-19 and double pneumonia)

That was here. I am in North Kenner and the hospital is the one I had chemo in.
We also have a large undocumented amount of persons here.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 10:33 PM

NSAIDS and COVID19

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-nsaids-ibuprofen/

Although Snopes declares “unproven”
the majority of the MD ask by Snopes seem to say it is good advice regardless because of NSAID induced Liver damage and immune system suppression.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
NSAIDS and COVID19

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-nsaids-ibuprofen/

Although Snopes declares “unproven”
the majority of the MD ask by Snopes seem to say it is good advice regardless because of NSAID induced Liver damage and immune system suppression.

Snopes? Really? Yeah I'm taking their advice. laugh2 Pretty much everything is unproven at this point since it is so new.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 11:27 PM

Hospital ships of the past were basically floating ambulances with staff to support injured.
IIt would be nice if the thousands of storage containers could be modified, insulated and made washable/sanitizable and pressed into service?
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/16/20 11:52 PM

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-coronavirus-drugs.html
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 12:48 AM

To be blunt, the ONLY places to rely on for DEFINITIVE information about the COVID-19 virus are the US CDC and The World Health Organization. Anything else is nonsense. Period.

CDC COVID-19

WHO COVID-19

If everyone took a minute to comprehend the gravity of the situation and willingly follows the guidelines recommended by the CDC and WHO to prevent the spread of the virus, we will beat it in short order. If people continue to mistrust that information and ignore the warnings, we will be in for a long, uphill battle.

I for one am not looking forward to being holed up in my house for the next two months.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 01:04 AM

Isn't there a concept tossed around that Viruses like this, as they flush thru society, they become, less lethal, in that the most robust virus strains kills off the (ie self limiting) host, and the weaker versions last longer, and therefore can spread farther?
A lot would depend on how fast it mutates.

All to mean, if you caught COVID from a person who succumbs, you might be at greater risk then from some one who recovers?
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
The CDC, WHO, and every infectious disease expert on the planet seem to disagree with all of the people who have recently earned Facebook medical degrees, so I'll go with the views of the former.

Here's the story of how the virus spread in South Korea. 1 person. That's it. That's all it took.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html



1 person is all it ever takes, flu, chicken pox, common cold etc.

These "experts" never seem to compare stats to other outbreaks like H1N1 Swine Flu. How many cases how fast, vs how many fatalities over the same time frame.

The Spanish Flu which was an H1N1 virus, spread across the globe like wildfire and killed millions and I think all you had to do to be in the risk of dying group was to be still breathing. Everybody was at risk because apparently when that virus sprang to life there was very little natural Human immunity to it. I read somewhere that that's the same reason this Corona Virus is claimed to be so dangerous, very little natural Human immunity and yet the serious risk group is actually quite limited given its pandemic status.

If we were this deep into "just the flu" season, everybody on this board would know somebody with the flu if they didn't already have it themselves. I'm just not seeing that kind of contagious spread.

While I don't deny there is serious risk to some by ignoring the whole thing, this mass hysteria reaction just defies logic and people that stand to make a lot of money off the fear of the virus or stand to loose a lot of money from it seem to be pouring gas on the fire either from their actions or lack thereof.

Kevin
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
The CDC, WHO, and every infectious disease expert on the planet seem to disagree with all of the people who have recently earned Facebook medical degrees, so I'll go with the views of the former.

Here's the story of how the virus spread in South Korea. 1 person. That's it. That's all it took.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html



1 person is all it ever takes, flu, chicken pox, common cold etc.

These "experts" never seem to compare stats to other outbreaks like H1N1 Swine Flu. How many cases how fast, vs how many fatalities over the same time frame.

The Spanish Flu which was an H1N1 virus, spread across the globe like wildfire and killed millions and I think all you had to do to be in the risk of dying group was to be still breathing. Everybody was at risk because apparently when that virus sprang to life there was very little natural Human immunity to it. I read somewhere that that's the same reason this Corona Virus is claimed to be so dangerous, very little natural Human immunity and yet the serious risk group is actually quite limited given its pandemic status.

If we were this deep into "just the flu" season, everybody on this board would know somebody with the flu if they didn't already have it themselves. I'm just not seeing that kind of contagious spread.

While I don't deny there is serious risk to some by ignoring the whole thing, this mass hysteria reaction just defies logic and people that stand to make a lot of money off the fear of the virus or stand to loose a lot of money from it seem to be pouring gas on the fire either from their actions or lack thereof.

Kevin

Wow, so you are saying should we have another outbreak like the first H1N1, Spanish flu it's OK because the serious risk group is small? You know, the elderly and the medically compromised? Don't worry kids, it's just the old people, go out and have a good time!

Have you read anything on what is going on Italy? Their health care system is overrun, Because of the lack of available hospital beds and equipment like respirators they are having to make decisions on who gets treatments. The more likely to succumb to the virus you are the less likely you will be treated. You are also saying China and South Korea over reacted? Even when they have the capability to address large scale needs? The whole reason for the actions is so we don't have a repeat of the original H1N1 outbreak. This is not "just the flu" for many people. Besides there are flu shots every year which although not totally effective, they do keep the number of cases down. There are also therapeutic treatments for the flu. If I got the flu I would be concerned about getting pneumonia and would seek treatment immediately. If I get Covid-19 there probably wouldn't be a treatment in the world that would save me from getting pneumonia, and getting pneumonia again would, in all probability kill me.

But I guess in your mind it's OK since I'm 63.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 06:27 AM

The ill are not bound to old age. I'm surprised that Nevada is reporting:
A male in his 20s who is isolating at home and is a close contact of a confirmed case.
A female in her 40s who is hospitalized in good condition.
A female in her 50s who is hospitalized in stable condition.
A male in his 30s who is isolated at home.
A female in her 30s. No additional details are available at this time.
A female in her 70s. No additional details are available at this time
A male in his 50s. No additional details are available at this time.
A male in his 30s who is isolating at home.
Previously Reported Case Updates
A male in his 40s who is isolating at home.
A male in his 60s who is isolating at home.
A male in his 60s who is in serious condition.
A female in her 70s who is isolating at home and is a close contact of a previously reported case.
A male in his 60s who is isolating at home and is a close contact of a previously reported case.
A female in her 40s who was hospitalized on March 8. She is isolated and in stable condition. This individual is a visitor from New York. She arrived in Las Vegas on March 5, and attended the Women of Power Summit at The Mirage.
A female in her 70s with underlying medical conditions with in-state travel history to Reno, Nev., and no out-of-state or international travel history. The patient was asymptomatic while traveling. The patient remains hospitalized in serious condition.
A male in his 50s with a travel history to Washington state. The patient remains hospitalized in serious condition.
This partially supports what you write GJ and begs the question as to why precious hospital beds are occupied by youngish and perhaps carefree adults.
As I get ready to turn in for the day I listened to the news, knowing that tomorrow the sun will rise and more tests will be reported and the numbers of ill and deceased will have increased. It will be a great day when the numbers growth slows and with hope stop.
Only after we lay the unfortunate to rest will we realize the toll our world has borne. This will test the resolve and stability of nations and there will be puddles of tears at feet of lady liberty.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
The CDC, WHO, and every infectious disease expert on the planet seem to disagree with all of the people who have recently earned Facebook medical degrees, so I'll go with the views of the former.

Here's the story of how the virus spread in South Korea. 1 person. That's it. That's all it took.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html



1 person is all it ever takes, flu, chicken pox, common cold etc.

These "experts" never seem to compare stats to other outbreaks like H1N1 Swine Flu. How many cases how fast, vs how many fatalities over the same time frame.

The Spanish Flu which was an H1N1 virus, spread across the globe like wildfire and killed millions and I think all you had to do to be in the risk of dying group was to be still breathing. Everybody was at risk because apparently when that virus sprang to life there was very little natural Human immunity to it. I read somewhere that that's the same reason this Corona Virus is claimed to be so dangerous, very little natural Human immunity and yet the serious risk group is actually quite limited given its pandemic status.

If we were this deep into "just the flu" season, everybody on this board would know somebody with the flu if they didn't already have it themselves. I'm just not seeing that kind of contagious spread.

While I don't deny there is serious risk to some by ignoring the whole thing, this mass hysteria reaction just defies logic and people that stand to make a lot of money off the fear of the virus or stand to loose a lot of money from it seem to be pouring gas on the fire either from their actions or lack thereof.

Kevin

Wow, so you are saying should we have another outbreak like the first H1N1, Spanish flu it's OK because the serious risk group is small? You know, the elderly and the medically compromised? Don't worry kids, it's just the old people, go out and have a good time!

Have you read anything on what is going on Italy? Their health care system is overrun, Because of the lack of available hospital beds and equipment like respirators they are having to make decisions on who gets treatments. The more likely to succumb to the virus you are the less likely you will be treated. You are also saying China and South Korea over reacted? Even when they have the capability to address large scale needs? The whole reason for the actions is so we don't have a repeat of the original H1N1 outbreak. This is not "just the flu" for many people. Besides there are flu shots every year which although not totally effective, they do keep the number of cases down. There are also therapeutic treatments for the flu. If I got the flu I would be concerned about getting pneumonia and would seek treatment immediately. If I get Covid-19 there probably wouldn't be a treatment in the world that would save me from getting pneumonia, and getting pneumonia again would, in all probability kill me.

But I guess in your mind it's OK since I'm 63.


Not what I'm saying at all and if I was you I would be VERY concerned.

All I was trying to say was that if this virus doesn't have any natural Human immunity to deal with as I've heard claimed, it should be blazing through the population much like the first H1N1 did, not by the dozens here and there. I know that's an over simplification but if I'm in your shoes I'm not putting a lot of faith in any "measures", I'm doing what you have done, headed for the hills and avoid all contact with the outside world as is possible. Unavoidable contact would be made on my conditions from a safe distance.

Oh and I'm 62 for a few months yet and I've done the heart attack and triple bypass too. I'm not aware of anything related to those 2 events that put me at much more risk than average, certainly not to the extent that you are dealing with.

I guess I'm just old and paranoid enough to think that maybe that old saw about if a politician doesn't have a crisis to take advantage of, they should invent one is more than a little at play here.

It's certainly working out for the toilet paper and hand sanitizer business.

I wish you well.

Kevin
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 06:54 AM

Twostick, it is blazing through the population, we just don't know it because we're a month behind on the testing that we should be doing. South Korea can test 10k+ per day. I'm not sure if we've tested that many total since January.

It's like we know it's snowing outside, but we haven't looked out to see how deep it is. It could be half an inch, or it could be 3 feet. Without accurate measuring/testing, we're going to open the door and learn we weren't ready for the 4 feet that came down.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 12:01 PM

Sample quote

But researchers now suggest that humidity, more than heat, may prove effective at choking off the person-to-person transmissions that make the disease’s spread so dangerous.

Still, it’s far from settled science.

Dr. Alan Evangelista, a microbiology and virology professor at St. Christopher’s Hospital for Children in Philadelphia, has studied common coronaviruses and influenza particles for eight years.

He says his research indicates that “the size and overall composition of [the novel coronavirus] particle is similar to other coronaviruses we have tested” -- meaning his findings may shed light on how the coronavirus spreads, and possibly how it dies out.

Those findings show that “transmission is highly efficient under drier and colder conditions,” but far less so in a humid environment.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the novel coronavirus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person through respiratory droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Those droplets can be inhaled into the lungs or land in the mouths or noses of people nearby. The droplets are also believed to linger on hard surfaces, which other people might later touch.

“As humidity increases, the viral droplet size is larger and settles out of the air rapidly,” Evangelista found, according to a statement he provided to ABC News on his research.

“In contrast, in low humidity, there is rapid evaporation of respiratory droplets,” he continued. “They remain airborne for prolonged periods, increasing the time and distance over which transmission can occur.”

Evangelista argues that while “there are obviously no guarantees that COVID-19 will behave exactly like the known coronaviruses … the laws of physics should apply.”

End quote

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/humid...rly-specialist-hopeful/story?id=69624343

While this is a bit of hope, and SARS virus decreased in summer, remember that Polio virus used to increase in summer.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 12:07 PM

The USA is not testing enough due to CDC gov employee ineptitude compared to Korea’s private company approach, but networks originally set up years ago to monitor influenza may be hinting at the % COVID19 in USA:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...re-with-fever-and-cough-but-it-s-not-flu
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 02:48 PM

Part of the earlier 2003 SARS disease deaths were due to an over reaction by the human being’s immune system called a Cytokine Storm.

This may be happening in COVID-19 too
and would explain why babies get mild symptoms but +60 year olds die.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-host-disease.html

Sample quote

Q. Are there ways to measure CSS, and are those measurements being done?

A. An elevated serum ferritin test—which is cheap, readily available and quick—is a good first step for screening for CSS. There are a variety of other tests that can then help confirm or deny the presence of a cytokine storm syndrome.
End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 02:54 PM

The Koreans say 0.65% death rate
WHO says 2.4% death rate.

Good article about why the difference...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-coronavirus-deadly-aflu.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 03:00 PM

An expert suggests 9 things you should do in everyday life

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-day-limit-exposure-coronavirus.html

Sample quote

1. Wash your hands at every opportunity with soap and warm water for the recommended 20 seconds. I have observed that most people simply rinse their hands for a few seconds in restrooms, which is not effective in removing viruses. Twenty seconds is the minimum.

2. Avoid handling money. That dollar bill that you get for change could have been in the hands of an infected person just moments before it is placed in your hand. I use credit cards for everything possible, even a cup of coffee.

3. When a signature is required, I carry my own pen and never use the same pen that others have already used. I use only the back of my fingernail to scribble a signature on a pad.

4. Use your left hand (if right handed) to open doors and avoid using door knobs entirely whenever possible.

5. Use only a knuckle to push an elevator button and other common push devices. Your little finger knuckle is least likely to be used on your face.

6. Avoid using hand rails unless you are falling. It is common to see people sliding their hand along the rail as they use the steps. Think about how many people have coughed or sneezed before using that same railing.

7. Carry and use a hand sanitizer liberally when in meetings and public places, avoid sharing papers and objects that others have touched.

8. Hold your breath immediately if someone around you sneezes or coughs and then distance yourself by 6 feet.

9. If someone behind you in a line sneezes or coughs, let them in front of you.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 03:20 PM

its been around since December
I got it in Jan went to Doc
was told it was a bacterial infection and not the Flu,
hit my lungs hard but I quit smoking years ago or it would of been worse if I smoked
a man made virus being reported on by unreliable sources
even the CDC numbers are voodoo..

the fearmongering is out of control..
if the sick and weak are the most vulnerable
why aren't they being isolated instead of disrupting everyone's lives???

This is basically a cold virus which might have been around for months before it was officially named. It has caused a certain number of deaths as all viruses do, but it is an enormous stretch to call this one “a pandemic” because most of the time you just sneeze and have a runny nose for a few days.
We don’t know its lethality percentage because normally we do not “test for” a cold. We do not have “confirmed cases” because we do not bother to “confirm” them. Because nearly always you just get over it.
To say that it “leads to viral pneumonia” is factually true but not inevitable. Likewise, to that it “spreads exponentially” is true of all viral and bacterial infections. So, what the public is being sold is factually true in all cases, but not contextual. “Thousands of more people might test positive” simply because “now we are testing.” But, in general, “virus tests” are not targeted to identify a particular strain – they’re targeted to predict whether a particular medication might work. And we are already seeing that while “rhinoviruses” and “coronaviruses” (achoo!!) are as common as ever they were, we have vastly and wrongly over-reacted here.
The actual science does not support what we did, nor does it support the hypothesis that “within 14 days it will all be over.” The government has vast powers to enforce public health controls, but it had no true justification to get “trigger-happy” now.

♦ FACT: 98 to 99% of the American people tested, who have symptoms (similar to flu), test negative for the Wuhan novel coronavirus (COVID-19). We are spending hundreds of billions, and disrupting all facets of life and liberty, to avoid a virus almost no-one carries.
If they can’t get math right, why are we trusting their biology?

If Dr. Fauci’s magic theories are correct, then by THIS Friday there should be tens of thousands of people testing positive for Coronavirus. If not….
we’ve destroyed the U.S. economy , and we’ve wiped out tens of trillions in U.S. wealth. for no legit reason..

well except for one I'm not allowed to mention here...
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 03:41 PM

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Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 04:00 PM

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Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 04:10 PM

laugh2

No amount of information from people with knowledge, education, and actual experience is enough to convince the willfully ignorant. laugh2 That's my polite version of Ron White's famous quote.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
laugh2

No amount of information from people with knowledge, education, and actual experience is enough to convince the willfully ignorant. laugh2 That's my polite version of Ron White's famous quote.


This is from the Toronto Globe and Mail, written by the retired Chief Medical Officer for The Province of Ontario, who was also Chief of Staff at a major Toronto hospital during the SARS epidemic.

I think he checks all 3 of your boxes and I agree with his assessment.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/

Kevin
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
laugh2

No amount of information from people with knowledge, education, and actual experience is enough to convince the willfully ignorant. laugh2 That's my polite version of Ron White's famous quote.


This is from the Toronto Globe and Mail, written by the retired Chief Medical Officer for The Province of Ontario, who was also Chief of Staff at a major Toronto hospital during the SARS epidemic.

I think he checks all 3 of your boxes and I agree with his assessment.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/

Kevin

Part of the problem is the unknown, we simply don't know enough about this particular virus or the eventual outcome. Have any of you ever heard the phrase "Better safe than sorry"? We may never truly know just how bad it may have been but, if history shows we over reacted rather than under reacted I'm fine with that.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 04:59 PM

So Flypaper was the first case of CV in the USA. Moparts is AMAZING!
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:05 PM

[quote=not_a_charger] laugh2

No amount of information from people with knowledge, education, and actual experience is enough to convince the willfully ignorant. laugh2 That's my polite version of Ron White's famous quote. [/quote

iagree Let me expand the info many seem to willfully chose to ignore:

"Subject: Posted by an ER doc I know at Hartford Hospital!

This is a long post addressing two underlying issues with the current response to the pandemic that leave me concerned. It’s the longest post I’ve ever written.

For those of you not taking action, or believing the pandemic to be “over hyped”, you can make fun of me as much as you want now or when this is over. You can make me the subject of memes and post it everywhere. I will pose for the picture. I am not trying to convince you, but I do feel compelled to share information that I deem critical to all of us, which is why I am posting this at all.

WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE 5 MINUTES TO READ AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION I AM SHARING:

For those of you who don’t know me well, I am analytical and metered. I don’t freak out nor do I respond emotionally. I also don’t post a bunch of [censored] or political or controversial stuff on Facebook. I founded and am CEO of a successful software company that provides SaaS based data, analytics, and dashboards to recruiting departments at companies we all know. As you would expect, I am data driven and fact based. Before founding my company I held executive roles leading very large recruiting teams at some of the world's fastest growing companies such as Starbucks and Google. At Google I was fortunate enough to report to Sheryl Sandberg before she took the Facebook COO role. I was a Chemical Engineering major in college and have a business degree from a top undergraduate business school. I am not one for hyperbole or histrionics. My [censored] factor is close to zero.

I share all this personal information only to help solidify that this post may be worth reading and sharing with others. I would encourage you to forward or share this post at your discretion. Many people do not understand what is happening with the pandemic to the degree required which is why I took the time to write this and share this on Facebook.

Now that I've gotten the introduction out of the way, here are two issues I want to bring to everyone’s attention.

ISSUE ONE: SOCIAL NORMS ARE POWERFUL MOTIVATORS AND GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC:

One of the current problems with addressing the pandemic is the social pressures of taking action today. It's awkward, and feels like an over-reaction. The reason it feels like an overreaction is that most people OVERWEIGHT the currently reported cases and inherently UNDERWEIGHT the mathematics of how the virus is spreading and what will happen in about 30 days time. This is because our brains tend to think linearly as opposed to logarithmically. It’s the same reason many people don’t save for retirement or understand compound interest.

To create a new social norm, human beings like to see behavior modeled. This serves as a signal that says, “oh, someone else is doing it so I should do it also.”

SO HERE IS A SOCIAL BENCHMARK FOR REFERENCE - THIS IS WHAT I’VE DONE FOR MY FAMILY TO DATE:

I have already isolated my family. We have canceled EVERYTHING. We have canceled previously scheduled doctor visits. Social get togethers. Normal routine meetings. Everything has been canceled. It's difficult and socially awkward. Some of you think I’m crazy, but I’m doing it not because I am afraid, but because I am good at math (more on that in part 2). I had to have my 16 year old daughter quit her job coaching junior gymnasts at the local gym, with one day’s notice and also tell my kids they can't attend youth group at church. Both of those were tough discussions. I told a very close friend he shouldn’t stay at my house this weekend even though he was planning to and had booked his flight from the Bay Area. I canceled another dear friend’s visit for later this month to go snowboarding on Mt Bachelor.

We are not eating out. Our kids are already doing online school so we don’t have to make changes there. I would not send my kids to school even if they were in public or private school. We have eliminated all non-essential contact with other people. We will only venture out to grocery shop when required. We will still go outside to parks, go mountain biking, hiking, and recreate to keep ourselves sane and do other things as a family, just not with other people. We have stocked up on food and have a supply for ~2 months. We have stocked up on other goods that if depleted would create hardship, like medicines and feminine hygiene products. We have planned for shortages of essential items.

THE REASON I HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE FOR MY FAMILY IS MULTI FACETED:

1. Although my family is considered low risk (I’m 49 in good health, Angi is 46 and in good health, and our kids are 14 and 16), we must assume that the healthcare system cannot help us, because the hospitals will become overwhelmed very quickly. Most American hospitals will become overwhelmed in approximately 30 days unless something changes. More on this in part 2 below. So although we are in great health and unlikely to become gravely ill, the risk is greater if you do not have access to the medical care that you need. This is something for everyone to consider. As a society we are accustomed to having access to the best medical care available. Our medical system will be overwhelmed unless we practice social distancing at scale. That said, the medical teams in Italy are seeing an alarming number of cases from people in their 40s and 50s.

2. It’s not a matter of if social distancing will take place, it’s a matter of when. This is because social distancing is the only way to stop the virus today. As I will explain in part 2 below, starting now is FAR more effective than starting even 2 days from now or tomorrow. This has been proven by Italy and China (and soon to be France and other European countries who have been slow to respond.). Wuhan went on lockdown after roughly 400 cases were identified (and they had access to testing that America has systematically failed to do well to date). The US already has more than 4 times this number of known infected cases as Wuhan did when it was shut down, and our citizens are far more mobile and therefore spreading the virus more broadly when compared to Wuhan. Yet our response is tepid at best.

If hand washing and “being smart” were sufficient Italy would not be in crisis. So I pray the draconian measures are coming from our government, because they are required to stop the spread of the virus. It’s better to start sooner than later as the cost is actually far greater if we wait. I pray they close all schools and non-essential services the way that Italy and China have done.

3. Spreading the virus puts those in the high-risk category at much greater risk. This is the moral argument. It’s a strong argument because there are only two ways, as of today, that the virus can be stopped: let it run its course and infect 100s of millions of people, or social distancing. There is no other way today. If you don’t practice social distancing, people downstream from you that you transmit the virus to will die, and many will suffer.

4. The risk of infection is increasing exponentially, because the quantity of infected people, most who will not show symptoms, is doubling every three days. So the longer you wait to self-isolate, the greater the chance of you or someone you love becoming infected and then you infecting others because more of the population is becoming infected. There are twice as many infected people today as there was on Tuesday.

5. The virus is already in your town. It’s everywhere. Cases are typically only discovered when someone gets sick enough to seek medical attention. This is important as it typically takes ~5 days to START showing ANY symptoms. Here’s the math: For every known case there are approximately 50 unknown cases. This is because if I become sick, I infect several people today, and they infect a few people each tomorrow (as do I), and the total count of infected people doubles every 3 days until I get so sick I get hospitalized or get tested and become a “known case”. But in the time it takes me to figure out I am sick 50 others downline from me now have the virus. So every third day the infection rate doubles until I get so sick that I realize I have the virus an am hospitalized or otherwise tested. Harvard and Massachusetts General Hospital estimate that there are 50x more infections than known infections as reported (citation below). The implication of this is that the virus is already “everywhere” and spreading regardless if your city has zero, few or many reported cases. So instead of the 1573 reported known cases today there are likely 78,650 cases, at least, in the United States. Which will double to 157,300 by this Sunday. And this will double to 314,600 cases by this coming Wednesday. So in less than 1 week the number of total infected in the United States will quadruple. This is the nature of exponential math. It’s actually unfortunate that we are publishing the figures for known cases as it diverts attention away from more important numbers (like the range of estimated actual cases).

6. Some people cannot, or will not, practice social distancing for a variety of reasons and will continue to spread the virus to many people. So everyone else must start today.

The reasons above are why I have begun to practice social distancing. It’s not easy. But you should do it too.

The hospitals will be at capacity and there are not enough ventilators. You will hear a lot about this issue in the coming few weeks... the shortage of ventilators.

ISSUE TWO: MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG NUMBERS:

Yes, the virus only kills a small percentage of those afflicted. Yes, the flu kills 10s of thousands of people annually. Yes, 80% of people will experience lightweight symptoms with COVID19. Yes the mortality rate of COVID19 is relatively low (1-2%). All of this true, but is immaterial. They are the wrong numbers to focus on...

The nature of exponential math is that the infection rates start slowly, and then goes off like a bomb and overwhelms the hospitals. You will understand this math clearly in the next section if you do the short math exercise. Evergreen hospital in Seattle is already in triage. I have heard credible reports from people on the ground that they are already becoming overwhelmed. And the bomb won't really go off for a few more days. Probably by Wednesday, March 18th (next week). In just a few days from now we will hear grave reports from Seattle hospitals.

You should assume the virus is everywhere at this point, even if you have no confirmed cases in your area.

YOU SHOULD DO THIS SIMPLE 2 MINUTE MATH EXERCISE (NO REALLY TAKE TWO MINUTES AND DO IT):

To further understand exponential growth, take the number of confirmed cases in your area and multiply by 10 (or 50 if you believe Harvard and Massachusetts General estimations) to account for the cases that are not yet confirmed. If you have no confirmed cases choose a small number. I’d suggest 10 cases in your city, if no cases are yet reported. But you can use whatever number you like. This number of infected people doubles every ~3 days as the infection spreads. So literally take your number, and multiply by 2. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Do this multiplication exercise 10 times in total.

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x (the number of estimated infections in your city today (not just the reported cases)).

This result is the estimate for the actual cases in your area 30 days from now. The math will take 30 seconds to complete with a calculator and it’s worth doing the math to see how it grows. This end number is the number of cases in your city 30 days from today if a large percentage of the population do not practice social distancing.

2 to the 10th power is 1024. When something doubles 10 times, it's the same as multiplying by 1024. The infection rate of the virus doubles every 3 days. In thirty days there will be 1,024 times the number of infected people in your area as there is today if your community does not immediately put social distancing into practice. One thousand and twenty four times as many infected people as there is today, in just 30 days.

Next, divide the final number (the scary big one) you just calculated by the current population of your city and you will be able to get the percentage of people THAT YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who will be infected 30 days from now.

Next take 15% (multiply by 0.15) of that final 30 day number of total infected people. This will provide an estimate of the serious cases which will require acute medical care, and compare it to the number of beds and ventilators available at your local hospital. Google the "number of beds" and the name of your local hospital now. It takes 2 seconds and the number of beds is easy to find. 65% of beds are already occupied by patients unrelated to the coronavirus. St Charles in Bend, Oregon where I live, has 226 beds and the town is roughly 100,000 people. Most hospitals have on average, 40 or fewer ventilators.

These numbers you just calculated are the problem: Too many patients, not enough beds, and a serious shortage of ventilators (the biggest problem) if we don't immediately begint social distancing. More on this biggest problem related to the insufficient quantity of ventilators is below.

COUNTRIES THAT GET OVERWHELMED WILL HAVE A MUCH GREATER MORTALITY RATE BECAUSE THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY CARE FOR THE SICK.

And by sick I mean not just coronavirus patients. Your son or daughter that needs acute care surgery this May for his badly broken leg will be attended to by an orthopedic doctor that has been working at maximum capacity and working 18 hour shifts for 7 days every week for 6 weeks because it was required to care for all the coronavirus patients at her hospital. Or the orthopedic surgeon will be sick with the virus and your son or daughter will be operated on by a non-expert or a member of the National Guard. Your elderly Mom that has diabetes and goes into acute distress next month may not receive ANY care because the doctors are consumed and have to prioritize patients based on triage handbooks filled with success rate probabilities. Your sibling’s family that are all injured in a terrible car crash in June will have diminished care. If one of them needs a ventilator there will be none available because all of them will be in use by critical coronavirus patients. Your young friend with cancer and a compromised immune system from treatment will succumb even though the cancer was curable and the treatment was working, because their body was too fragile to combat the coronavirus due to the chemotherapy and they couldn't receive the customized, acute care required due to the hospital being overwhelmed. All of the above is currently happening in Italy, who had the same number of infections we have today just 2 weeks ago. You must start today.

The count of actual virus infections doubles every ~3 days. The news and government agencies are lagging in their response. So we hear that the US only has 1573 cases today (3/12/20), ( see https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) and it doesn't seem like a lot. It would be better to report the estimated actual cases, since reported cases don’t tell us much. However, we know from China that the actual number of cases are at least an order of magnitude greater than the reported cases, because people get infected and do not display symptoms. In math, an "order of magnitude" means ten times difference, or put another way, a factor of 10. 100 is 10 times greater than 10, so it's an order of magnitude greater.

Harvard Medical School / Massachusetts General Hospital just released their estimate (recording is here: https://externalmediasite.partners.org/…/53a4003de5ab4b4da5…) that the actual cases are 50x greater than the reported cases. So we likely have 75,000 cases in the United States already. The number of reported cases is not that important.

But let’s assume the current number of cases is only 10,000 ACTUAL cases in the United States just to be conservative and model out what will happen:

If we don’t stop the virus from spreading, in 30 days we will have 2 to the 10th power more cases of infected people because the infection count doubles every 3 days (the virus doubles every 3 days and there are 10, 3 day periods in 30 days).

The math: 2 to the 10th power means 1,024 times as many cases as we have today (2 times 2 repeated 10 times).

This number is a catastrophically big problem for all of us: We will have 10 million+ actual cases (10,000 actual cases today x 1,024) in the United States in just 30 days’ time if we continue without extreme social distancing. 10 million people with the virus. And it will keep doubling every 3 days unless we practice social distancing.

15% of cases require significant medical attention, which means that 1.5 million people will require significant medical attention if 10 million people get infected (15% of 10 Million total infections = 1.5 million people requiring hospitalization).

1.5 million hospitalizations is about 50% more than we have beds for at hospitals in the United States. And 65% of all beds are already occupied in our hospitals. But patients with the virus need ICU beds, not just any old hospital bed. Only about 10% of hospital beds are considered intensive care. So we will have a huge bed shortage, but that is not the biggest problem, as we can erect temporary ICU shelters and bring in more temporary beds, as Italy has already done, and California and Washington hospitals have already done. Evergreen Hospital in Seattle has already erected temporary triage tents in the parking lot as of 3/13/20. All regular beds are full at Evergreen Hospital as of yesterday.

Once the government of China, Norway, and Italy came to understand this math, they reacted accordingly and shut EVERYTHING down. Extreme social distancing is the only response available to stop the virus today. The United States is not responding well nor are other countries like France or the UK. Countries that do not respond well will pay a much larger, catastrophic price.

But hospital beds are not the big problem. The lack of ventilators is the big problem. Most estimates peg the ventilators in the United States at roughly 100,000 to 150,000 units. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21149215 (admittedly dated) and https://theweek.com/…/doesnt-have-enough-icu-beds-ventilato…

The primary and most serious comorbid (comorbid is a medical term that means co-existing or happening at the same time) condition brought on by the Coronavirus is something called bilateral interstitial pneumonia which requires ventilators for treatment of seriously ill patients. So if 1.5M people of the 10 million infected 30 days from now require acute care (15% of the 10M estimated total infections), 1.3M may not get the care that they need because we don’t have enough ventilators in the United States. And remember, this is only if ALL OF US EFFECTIVELY start social distancing by April 11th (30 days from today).

BUT IF WE START EXTREME SOCIAL DISTANCING BY MARCH 23 (12 days from this writing), WE AVOID OVER 1.4 MILLION PEOPLE GETTING CRITICALLY ILL AND OVERWHELMING THE HOSPITALS:

If everyone takes extreme measures to social distance, and the United States can dramatically reduce the spread of the virus 12 days from now, the math is very different, as the exponential growth will only be 2 to the 4th power (12 days divided by the doubling rate of every 3 days equals the exponent of 4):

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16

So instead of 10 Million cases in the United States if we wait 30 days, if we act 18 days sooner, we will have only 160,000 cases (16 times the estimated 10,000 actual cases as of today), of which 15% are likely to require critical care. This is 24,000 critical patients (a huge difference compared to 1.5 million acute patients). The difference between taking extreme measures now, versus waiting even a few days, is very large due to how exponents work in math.

THE OUTCOME IS EVEN BETTER IF WE TAKE ACTION IN THE NEXT 6 DAYS: If the vast majority of the population self isolates and implements social distancing in only 6 days from now the exponential math is 2 to the 2nd power (6 days divided by the 3 days it takes the virus to double means the exponent is only 2). In math this is "two squared".

2 x 2 = 4

Multiplied by the estimated 10,000 ACTUAL cases as of today (3/12/20) that means only 40,000 total cases will develop, 15% of which may be critical which is 6,000 critical patients.

This is why you should share this post broadly. If people begin social distancing in the next 6 days it will greatly reduce the impact on all of us. It's why they say a "post goes viral".

SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL REDUCE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY:

Finally, the longer everyone waits to practice significant social distancing the greater the economic hardship will be on all of us. Lost jobs. Mortgage defaults. Closed businesses. Bankruptcies. All will be minimized if you start social distancing today.

Some of the reasons the economic impacts will be reduced are worth mentioning: If we stop the virus now the overall duration of the outbreak will be far shorter. The stock market will normalize more quickly and recover more quickly. Businesses and people will be able to survive a shorter duration outbreak vs a longer duration outbreak. More companies will avoid bankruptcy if we begin to practice social distancing now.

This is a big financial reason to begin social distancing if you are employed by any company: if companies see that the virus is being slowed, they will be less likely to conduct layoffs. You will be more likely to be laid off or experience a job-related event if we don’t practice social distancing immediately. As an HR executive, I’ve been involved in many, many layoffs. It’s the last thing companies want to do. But if they see that the pandemic will be shorter lived vs long and drawn out, they are less likely to make the permanent decision of laying off staff.

The overall economic impact that hits your bank account will be greater if you wait or you don’t practice social distancing. This is why Norway acted now, because it’s less economic impact to take drastic measures early than to do them later, and it saves a lot of lives and suffering by doing so. And Norway has only one confirmed death as of this writing.

START TODAY. I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH. YOU MUST START TODAY.

Finally, the article that I posted yesterday written by Tomas Pueyo has been read 7M times in the last 24 hours and has been updated with new information. It’s worth reading again.

Here’s that link.

https://medium.com/…/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-d…

Other up to date data I frequently consult regarding the pandemic is here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I hope this is helpful and useful. My brain focuses on the math and I try and be fact based in my analysis and interpretation of how I should respond.

THERE IS MORE INFORMATION IN THE COMMENTS BELOW WORTH READING AND I WILL BE UPDATING THIS POST, AND THE COMMENTS, WITH MORE INFORMATION, (AS OPPOSED TO CREATING NEW POSTS).

MY FINAL PARTING THOUGHT: Please share or forward this post at your discretion. If everyone shares this post and two of your friends share this post and so on, we use the power of exponential math to work in our favor, which seems appropriate given the virus is using that same exponential math against us.

HOW YOU CAN REALLY HELP: If you know people who have large numbers of followers, or people in the media, please leverage your personal relationship with them and ask them to amplify this post by sharing it.

For people not on Facebook you can email or text the link. If you know people in government this fact-based post may help inform them to make the best decisions.

It's time for us humans to go on the offensive against the virus. We must fight back.

There is only one way to do so: Social Distancing.

Do it today.

NOTE: Anyone, including the media, is free to use this post, any related content, in all or in part, for any purpose, in any format, with no attribution required. Please direct message me if you have other ideas for how to raise awareness.

Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
laugh2

No amount of information from people with knowledge, education, and actual experience is enough to convince the willfully ignorant. laugh2 That's my polite version of Ron White's famous quote.


This is from the Toronto Globe and Mail, written by the retired Chief Medical Officer for The Province of Ontario, who was also Chief of Staff at a major Toronto hospital during the SARS epidemic.

I think he checks all 3 of your boxes and I agree with his assessment.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/

Kevin


There are plenty of other experts who vehemently disagree with him, but he's certainly qualified as an expert, and his opinion is still rational and well expressed, as opposed to the "OMG THIS IS THE FLU WASH YOUR HANDS THE ILLUMINATI CREATED THIS AS A DISTRACTION" tin foil hat crowd. Those are the willfully ignorant.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:18 PM

Ain’t nobody got time for dat!
Posted By: calmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:21 PM

It's coming. It's coming because we waited too long and didn't take it seriously.

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Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Ain’t nobody got time for dat!


Forgot, attention span is limited to 280 characters.

My deepest apologies if I overtaxed anyone.

Get back to me in 15 days.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Ain’t nobody got time for dat!


Actually, at the moment, there are plenty of people who got time for dat. work biggrin
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 05:39 PM

Summit just lowered their graduated discount points I suspect because of a downturn of sales caused by COVID?
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 07:45 PM

Well, my tin foil hat still fits with my face mask on. wink
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Well, my tin foil hat still fits with my face mask on. wink

Keep us updated on your condition please. Wish you and your family the best.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Dave_J
Well, my tin foil hat still fits with my face mask on. wink

Keep us updated on your condition please. Wish you and your family the best.

100%. Best to you both, and GJ, best to you that you avoid this completely.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 07:57 PM

So I went to my doctor today to pick up my letter for my employer and everyone in the office was wearing a mask. Hmm. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So I went to my doctor today to pick up my letter for my employer and everyone in the office was wearing a mask. Hmm. Coincidence? I don't think so.


I would have demanded the doctor Fax or Email that letter. My doctor wants me to come in and talk about my health issues. I said heII no.

I asked for him to renew my Staten prescription. That is what triggered the "I must see you first and talk"

Thank you for the well wishes. Over all, in the 48+ hours from the onsit we are doing much better. Not over it but 40-50% better. Lots of herbal teas, fresh soups and vegies. Humidifier running hard. Nasal and chest decongestants. Melatonin for sleep. Lavender and Eucalyptus scents for peace of mind.

"Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya" Come on everone, sing it.... wink
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 09:15 PM

My nephew that works at Becton Dickinson just texted me that their 2 hour COVID-19 test is out now that will run on existing BD Flu test machines, and their 20 minute test that runs on hand held machines will be out soon.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/17/20 09:16 PM

I asked them to email it but their internet wasn't working, said they have been in touch with their provider about it but still not working. There was only one person in the waiting room and I wore gloves.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 12:06 AM

OK, you've been told time and again to wash your hands. But do you really know the down and dirty of why? What happens when you sing "Happy Birthday" twice while scrubbing?

If you can spend 6 minuets, PLEASE watch this Y-Tube Vid. Share it to friends. These 6 minuets may save someones life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRqJaZO5yW8
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 01:27 AM

that life may be your own!
Our son in law was an airforce medic and says most hand washing instruction fails to show correct washing of the heel of the hand. This vid quickly shows it. Make sure to wash from the "Karate Chop" area and up to at least the "knob" of the wrist. Almost everyone fails to wash that portion of hands/forearms.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 01:37 AM

It’s starting to hit close to home for me. My mom called yesterday and told me a patient in another wing of the assisted living place she lives in just got diagnosed.
And this morning a coworker whose cubicle is about 8’ feet from mine stood up shortly after I got in, and said he had to leave because his fiancé just called and said someone she works with just got diagnosed, so he left to self quarantine.
Meantime they are letting everyone work from home but I’m trapped because I’m one of the few who hadn’t been upgraded to a laptop yet. Ironically a coworkers last day was a week ago Friday and his laptop is still there. However, the bureaucracy of the IT department means you can’t just assign it to someone else. They are supposed to pick it up and then assign to another employee.
I’ll pretty much have the place to myself tomorrow so that is social distancing I guess....
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:15 AM

In the "6 Degrees of Separation" rules that within 6 degrees you know someone that I know....

This Virus will hit someone you know. It may be tomorrow or 6 weeks down the road.

But if we can make the care-free ("I dont give a shiet" or "Its a Hoax") folks understand that it may not be them that get hit but someone dear to them because of their uncaring practices then half this battle is won.
Really, if you isolate your self to a mountain top and never go shopping or visiting you most likely will never get this virus.

My mom was recovering at home from Non-Hopkins Lymphoma treatments. She was doing fine until my stupid homeless drugie younger sister went in to visit her. My mom got SAR's and pneumonia killed her. But my sister is fine and does not care that she was most likely the cause.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 11:43 AM

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms

Best to avoid NSAID drugs or any drug that has the side effect that it increases ACE2 receptors on human cells.

In my reading I am getting conflicting reports as to whether
Tamiflu ( generic Oseltamivir )
is also helpful for this different virus family of Wuhan coronavirus/COVID-19 or not.

Same for the newer Japanese invented, one dose pill Xofluza

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...flu-drug-that-is-taken-in-a-single-dose/

The Chinese seem to believe that at least some of the herbs of “traditional chinese medicine” are helpful, but I have not seen specific named herbs.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-repurposed-treatments-drugs

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/hea...-aged-100-recovers-disease-a4383741.html

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 12:05 PM

Since the Corona viruses are basically common cold type viruses I wonder if some people may have an increased resistance to it. Some people don't get colds, I am one of them.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 01:35 PM

I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town. I don't share many views but a lot of the values of the locals. I have become good friends with a similar age new owner of a after 8? years a very successful family owned pizza restaurant. I might be their best customer over the years. I spend a lot of time off hours chatting with the owner. He has over 25 employees, and they are for the most a younger group, but hard workers, and seem to be of good stock. The owner and I have nearly opposite views, but we also have similar values, listen to and respect each other, and socialize outside the restaurant. I also have been a business owner my entire life and understand the ups and downs of running your own business.

I decided since 3/1? I would limit my exposure to others as best I could during this COVID event. I have not been to his restaurant since, but talk on the phone. The restaurant has been steadily setting new sales records since opening, even as two weekends ago. I suspect in this small town, and the business they do, within 48 hrs everyone in town has only one degree of separation from someone who has eaten at the Pizza parlor. His client base has a heavy snow bird group to all the way to grade school baseball teams. He really is hands on and does a great job.

5? Days ago on the phone I asked him (suggestively) if he had considered going to take out/delivery only. He said had thought about it.

Yesterday around 4:30pm I again spoke to him and used all my best efforts to convince him to consider that he should be in front of this instead of waiting for the gov to direct, which yesterday Florida directed restaurants to limit to 50% capacity, which I commented means, they really just lack the political gonads to do the right thing. One point I shared was, he did not want to be Ms O Leary's cow in our small town, with effectively no real heath care within 30? miles.

Ironically, he is in the highest risk group of the entire staff.

I'm crossing my fingers today he will see light.

Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:13 PM

whistling
You gotta see this. MIT molecular and systems biologist really lays it out. Don’t miss. Spread it far and wide.
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/14/real-truth-coronavirus-according-mit-molecular-biologist/


Yes, to say this is overblown is the understatement of the century. Every winter 20,000 to 69,000 Americans die from the flu which almost always comes from China and we never heard a word of panic from the news media. Remember the term Super-Bug? Those were for the year the flu virus was especially virulent! We are watching the economy of the United States being destroyed day by day for a super-bug that in a months time killed maybe 100 Americans when over 18,000 have died from the common flu.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So I went to my doctor today to pick up my letter for my employer and everyone in the office was wearing a mask. Hmm. Coincidence? I don't think so.


you spied a cluster of morons
as a mask doesn't do squat to stop spreading it
unless you already have it..
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:19 PM

A load of BS. FP.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
A load of BS. FP.



what? the mask or the fraud pandemic??
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So I went to my doctor today to pick up my letter for my employer and everyone in the office was wearing a mask. Hmm. Coincidence? I don't think so.


you spied a cluster of morons
as a mask doesn't do squat to stop spreading it
unless you already have it..


Speaking of morons then, only a moron thinks a "95" mask with a valve, prevents the spreading of COVOID to any degree if the wearer is infected.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:29 PM

My mom emailed me yesterday that they were informed that there is a second COVID-19 case at her assisted living home. She forwarded a letter last night from the CEO of the place informing the residents of the news and also expressing frustration that the state agencies did not show any interest in testing staff and the other residents because it didn't meet some criteria or something.
It's been on the news for days that a nursing home in the southwest suburbs here had a case over the weekend, and now is up to a couple dozen residents and staff members testing positive. I find it very odd they don't consider an outbreak of this starting in a senior living community to be of major concern. Nothing even in the media yet about her facility, and the first case was reported to them Monday.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
unless you already have it..


Do you have a good supply on hand? The tone of your posts suggests you may be at high risk of exposure and should you contract the virus it would be wise to limit the others around you may expose/infect.
Everyone should strive to protect themselves by limiting exposure and respect others by not being a carrier.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:31 PM

You need to get ready to understand the nursing homes are the new cruise ships, unfortunately.

And I am not buying the line the grocery stores need to reduce hours to "restock", they don't have the stock to begin with.

Case in point as to a contributing factor:

https://transportationnation.com/fm...open-24-hours-per-day-to-serve-truckers/

Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by flypaper
unless you already have it..


Do you have a good supply on hand? The tone of your posts suggests you may be at high risk of exposure and should you contract the virus it would be wise to limit the others around you may expose/infect.
Everyone should strive to protect themselves by limiting exposure and respect others by not being a carrier.



not worried about a cold that most likely I already had...
so much, i'm going out and supporting a local restaurant tonight
before the curfew Nazi's come to shut it down..
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by flypaper
unless you already have it..


Do you have a good supply on hand? The tone of your posts suggests you may be at high risk of exposure and should you contract the virus it would be wise to limit the others around you may expose/infect.
Everyone should strive to protect themselves by limiting exposure and respect others by not being a carrier.



not worried about a cold that most likely I already had...
so much, i'm going out and supporting a local restaurant tonight
before the curfew Nazi's come to shut it down..


Make sure you give all your relatives your dogie bag and a big kiss when you get home on behalf all of us here, they might appreciate it in 8 days.


Posts like this remind me of the Mom's against Drunk Driving Nazi's, where the drunk always seems to survive and the innocents perish.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by flypaper
Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by flypaper
unless you already have it..


Do you have a good supply on hand? The tone of your posts suggests you may be at high risk of exposure and should you contract the virus it would be wise to limit the others around you may expose/infect.
Everyone should strive to protect themselves by limiting exposure and respect others by not being a carrier.



not worried about a cold that most likely I already had...
so much, i'm going out and supporting a local restaurant tonight
before the curfew Nazi's come to shut it down..


Make sure you give all your relatives your dogie bag and a big kiss when you get home on behalf all of us here, they might appreciate it in 8 days.


please stay home in your bubble and live in fear from the boogieman
your mental health obviously needs it
not me!
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:47 PM

can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? coffee
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:48 PM

Just when you thought he disappeared . He`s back again. Kinda like a virus. LOL
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by flypaper
[quote=srt][quote=flypaper]unless you already have it..

"Do you have a good supply on hand? The tone of your posts suggests you may be at high risk of exposure and should you contract the virus it would be wise to limit the others around you may expose/infect.
Everyone should strive to protect themselves by limiting exposure and respect others by not being a carrier. "


not worried about a cold that most likely I already had...
so much, i'm going out and supporting a local restaurant tonight
before the curfew Nazi's come to shut it down..


Make sure you give all your relatives your dogie bag and a big kiss when you get home on behalf all of us here, they might appreciate it in 8 days.


please stay home in your bubble and live in fear from the boogieman
your mental health obviously needs it
not me!


I try not to judge other's mental health.

But those that do and base their opposing decisions on blatant bravado, does little to waver my deliberate position.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
Just when you thought he disappeared . He`s back again. Kinda like a virus. LOL


beer
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? coffee


Which one... work

Wuhan Flu would be the correct term for the current strand the PC MSM wants to call Covid-19... violin
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? coffee


Might be best rather then just deflecting away from other worthless previous deflections, you state clearly first what real merit and potential discovery for our collective enlightenment that is to be sought by discussing this tangential thought.

Might be best to drop the whole topic, as it matters little to those sick.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by skicker
Originally Posted by flypaper
can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? coffee


Which one... work

Wuhan Flu would be the correct term for the current strand the PC MSM wants to call Covid-19... violin



this particular strain did not originate there..

.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by flypaper
can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? coffee


Might be best rather then just deflecting away from other worthless previous deflections, you state clearly first what real merit and potential discovery for our collective enlightenment that is to be sought by discussing this tangential thought.

Might be best to drop the whole topic, as it matters little to those sick.


if I was sick I would be more concerned about the regular flu!
that kills 60,000 a year
this has killed a hundred people when it is told it is 10xs more deadly
wake me up when we have a half a million dead
the bodies should be stacking up already... thousands at least
the numbers say this is vastly over hyped
i'm a numbers kind of guy..
the numbers support my statements
your fears are supported by what???

and the ironic thing is
you don't even know what you are so scared of comes from??
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:13 PM

I don't know what you want... popcorn

I tried to reach out to eight doctors in China who originally reported on this but they're mysteriously are not available for comment... ozbbq alien

Something about a lab in Canada and then poof...gone... stirthepot
Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:15 PM

Fly and jcc...Take your fight elsewhere...Some of us are interested in this thread and your fighting and bickering does not belong here. tsk
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by skicker
I don't know what you want... popcorn

I tried to reach out to eight doctors in China who originally reported on this but they're mysteriously are not available for comment... ozbbq alien

Something about a lab in Canada and then poof...gone... stirthepot



it actually started in the Neatherlands then went to Canada
you would figure these fear mongering experts here would know this
oh that's right they get all their information from the reliable MSM lmao

https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/01/questions-emerge-about-coronavirus/
Posted By: flypaper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
Fly and jcc...Take your fight elsewhere...Some of us are interested in this thread and your fighting and bickering does not belong here. tsk


I will leave him alone
he isn't very educated on the subject, I just tried to help..
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:24 PM

Hi flyP. ... wasssupy ? .... wave

And watch out for that apimp from MERRYland !

But fP does have a good point about the fatalities so far....
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:39 PM

Be careful comparing beginning numbers to ending numbers. The next few weeks will tell the story.

Why are people worried?

Worst case, 2/3rds are infected, call it 200 million. 3.4% die (china initial rate) -> 6.8 million dead

good case? 100 million infected, death rate of 0.6% (from south korea) -> 600,000 dead

An absolute best case would be matching the yearly flu totals.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:45 PM

Who is taking vitamin C ... or maybe even an extra dose ?

Good for the immune system up
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by flypaper
can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? coffee


Might be best rather then just deflecting away from other worthless previous deflections, you state clearly first what real merit and potential discovery for our collective enlightenment that is to be sought by discussing this tangential thought.

Might be best to drop the whole topic, as it matters little to those sick.


if I was sick I would be more concerned about the regular flu!
that kills 60,000 a year
this has killed a hundred people when it is told it is 10xs more deadly
wake me up when we have a half a million dead
the bodies should be stacking up already... thousands at least
the numbers say this is vastly over hyped
i'm a numbers kind of guy..
the numbers support my statements
your fears are supported by what???

and the ironic thing is
you don't even know what you are so scared of comes from??


Seems some want to ignore Italy's current problem of where to put the dead until they can do cremations. Yes the bodies are stacking up. This in its self is going to add another huge outbreak.

But then again, some members just like to be trolls and post nothing good in posts, just endless worthless banter.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper
Originally Posted by tboomer
Fly and jcc...Take your fight elsewhere...Some of us are interested in this thread and your fighting and bickering does not belong here. tsk


I will leave him alone
he isn't very educated on the subject, I just tried to help..


QED
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
Fly and jcc...Take your fight elsewhere...Some of us are interested in this thread and your fighting and bickering does not belong here. tsk


I never understand how in these here parts, anyone is allowed to throw out stupid unsuported crap and personal insults, and then there is a reasoned response ( that allowed?), and is called bickering and fighting?

If one doesn't want reasoned responses, which might be a from a different viewpoint, stop posting stupid crap and insults in the first place.


And BTW, my Pizza parlor friend called me 15 mins ago, he today has closed the seating area 100% and is now just take out and PU, cut the staff weekly hours to 30 hrs, and everyone seems to be OK with that.

He will never know how many lives he might have saved, and will never have to answer to his maker why he didn't at least try. up
Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 04:24 PM

jcc...I did not post stupid crap..And just an fyi...all of our bars and restaurants are closed in our small town
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
jcc...I did not post stupid crap..And just an fyi...all of our bars and restaurants are closed in our small town


iagree & up

My beef is when "unsupported". If one can support their POV, everyone reading can make their own decision, when not supported, its just bait and it's intent often is suspect IMO.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by flypaper


it actually started in the Neatherlands then went to Canada
you would figure these fear mongering experts here would know this
oh that's right they get all their information from the reliable MSM lmao

https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/01/questions-emerge-about-coronavirus/


While you are entitled to your opinion and are free to post whatever you want, this is the kind of "information" that will only keep the virus going longer. The "mainstream media" is not the problem here. I mean seriously, a bio warfare lab? I can't believe I wasted the time it took me to read that article to that point. And regardless of where the stupid virus came from, it's here now and we have to deal with it.

Everyone needs to understand that this is in fact a dire public health crisis that is directly affecting everyone in this country on some level. Frankly there is no time for games or trying to prove that its not as bad as it actually is. Thinly-veiled politicized information and/or "alternative facts" have no value in the fight to stop its spread.

Again, regardless of your political affiliation, religious beliefs, beer preference, etc, the ONLY places that you should rely on for DEFINITIVE information about COVID-19 are the CDC and WHO. That's it. Not the Giza Death Star blog.

Carry on.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 04:56 PM

At about 72 hours from my wife and my on set Sunday morning, I am still suffering but about 50% better....My lung capacity is really my limiting factor. Left lung is still congested bad.
Wife is at hospital right now. They did not want me to go with her. Her temperature has swung the other way. She went from running low 100ish to now running 94.2F which means her system is not controlling her body temp.

They will not test anyone unless your temp is above 101F. Ours has stayed below that.
We do not get common colds and we do get the flu shots every year. We both has slight Hay Fever issues but usually in the Fall when the Cottonwoods and Scotchblum bushs blume.

Went out in the garage and found my box of N95 dust masks. These are the non vented ones that you need to stop the exhale breath from bypassing. Some N95 masks have a 1 way valve that lets you exhale easier, filtered air in but unfiltered out. I also found a box of 50 cheap dust masks, without the metal nose bar.

So, YES this Covid-19 cold virus does have me worried. It should have you worried too. It is kind of a mutated version of that SAR's virus that killed my mother in 2003. She was just 73 years old, I am 64 years old.
Those that are making light or jokes about protecting yourself or others, I hope it does not hit you or someone important to you. Take your jokes over to FaceBook for all the other trolls to have fun with.


Picture of my mom at 71 years old on tour in Germany. She died 8 months later.

Attached picture Rhine River cruise 2.jpg
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town.



Yeah ? Where is that ?
Why do people hide their location ?
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jjs72D

Yeah ? Where is that ?
Why do people hide their location ?


Last I looked, in Auburn WA there were 2,000 David J's so its a bit hard to find me. We are not published in the locak phone directroy. The Property tax records are a bit hard to search by name. The only member that knew where I live is 340Shorty but I was told he has passed on frown so he can not tell anyone.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 06:06 PM

Ford GM Chrysler and Nissan is halting production until at least March 30
Posted By: second 70

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 06:38 PM

Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal?
Posted By: Sniper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by second 70
Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal?


Convinces me government run healthcare is a killer.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by second 70
Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal?


Convinces me government run healthcare is a killer.


Ahh, yes. If a medic on a battlefield with limited resources has to do triage to save the soldiers he can, instead, they all could have been be saved by changing who pays the medic's wages. Got it.


Or, it's what happens when the system buckles under the weight of something no one could have planned for, because the public didn't take the threat seriously enough and isolate soon enough.

We'll be there soon enough ourselves.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 07:05 PM

The Wuhan coronovirus that causes COVID-19 has been determined to be of natural origin, and not man-made in a lab.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-coronavirus-epidemic-natural-scientists.html

Sample quote

Evidence for natural evolution

The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.

This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2's backbone—its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2" said Andersen.

Josie Golding, Ph.D., epidemics lead at UK-based Wellcome Trust, said the findings by Andersen and his colleagues are "crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19."

"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution," Goulding adds, "ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering."

Possible origins of the virus

Based on their genomic sequencing analysis, Andersen and his collaborators concluded that the most likely origins for SARS-CoV-2 followed one of two possible scenarios.

In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS). The researchers proposed bats as the most likely reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 as it is very similar to a bat coronavirus. There are no documented cases of direct bat-human transmission, however, suggesting that an intermediate host was likely involved between bats and humans.

In this scenario, both of the distinctive features of SARS-CoV-2's spike protein—the RBD portion that binds to cells and the cleavage site that opens the virus up—would have evolved to their current state prior to entering humans. In this case, the current epidemic would probably have emerged rapidly as soon as humans were infected, as the virus would have already evolved the features that make it pathogenic and able to spread between people.

In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. A coronavirus from a pangolin could possibly have been transmitted to a human, either directly or through an intermediary host such as civets or ferrets.

Then the other distinct spike protein characteristic of SARS-CoV-2, the cleavage site, could have evolved within a human host, possibly via limited undetected circulation in the human population prior to the beginning of the epidemic. The researchers found that the SARS-CoV-2 cleavage site, appears similar to the cleavage sites of strains of bird flu that has been shown to transmit easily between people. SARS-CoV-2 could have evolved such a virulent cleavage site in human cells and soon kicked off the current epidemic, as the coronavirus would possibly have become far more capable of spreading between people.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 07:23 PM

US Army Corps of Engineers to be called to supplement hospitals in worst hit areas:

https://www.military.com/daily-news...ild-tent-hospitals-white-house-says.html

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...respirator-masks-2000-ventilators-to-hhs
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 07:59 PM

Well I see the leader of the tinfoil hat army has showed up. Did you know that the entire state of NJ is basically a dumping ground for C8? You boys can fight it out among yourselves, I'm heading for the mountains. Hopefully I'll see you all on the other side of this. wave
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 07:59 PM

Quote
My beef is when "unsupported". If one can support their POV, everyone reading can make their own decision, when not supported, its just bait and it's intent often is suspect IMO.
It is the same crap that was being put out there back then. Why does Moparts put up with it??
Posted By: Sniper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by second 70
Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal?


Convinces me government run healthcare is a killer.


Ahh, yes. If a medic on a battlefield with limited resources has to do triage to save the soldiers he can, instead, they all could have been be saved by changing who pays the medic's wages. Got it.


Nice strawman. Apparently you do not get it.

No one mentioned who paid the wages, it's who runs it and if you think government run healthcare is a solution I give you the VA to consider.

The people who pay the wages, in either scenario, are you and me. At least with the current setup if I don't like the care I can pay someone else to provide it.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper
Nice strawman. Apparently you do not get it.

No one mentioned who paid the wages, it's who runs it and if you think government run healthcare is a solution I give you the VA to consider.

The people who pay the wages, in either scenario, are you and me. At least with the current setup if I don't like the care I can pay someone else to provide it.


Sorry, you don't understand the proposed systems. No one is pushing for a VA-style system (where .gov pays for procedures, and runs the day-to-day operations of hospitals). Just changing from health insurance companies paying for procedures, to Medicare paying for them.

Regardless, we'll probably have the same problem with our system over the next several weeks.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Originally Posted by jcc
I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town.



Yeah ? Where is that ?
Why do people hide their location ?


Might be the same basic reason I don't need to explain.

Deal with it..
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 08:37 PM

Sorry. angel

My immune suppressed 40 year old son in law on the east coast of Florida has the symptoms, and got the test Monday. They say 3-5 days before results, which they will contact him if positive, and he can find on his own if negative online I am told.

Because of his long term medical condition, I had elected to stay away until this virus runs it course. He has been working from home, not sure if positive what might have been his exposure vector. He reports its a very uncomfortable test FWIW.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 08:53 PM

John Hopkins maintains a site that tracks worldwide statistics on the outbreak. Anyone viewing it can clearly see the ill and casualties are piling up. As test results come in will the derelicts finally heed this is real and finally heed directives to be smart?
I'm not a lemming, nor descendant of lemmings. I do have compassion and a desire to see more birthdays and see the world whole and complete again.
A few questions:
Why is Russia not reporting cases?
Where did 30% of stock market value go?
Will the young see our country debt free?
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 09:04 PM

1. Why would you trust any answer they gave anyway?
2. It was paper money in the first place, easy come, easy go
3. No
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 09:32 PM

Something I heard about the apparent spike in Italy compared to other countries that I haven't had time to fact check one way or the other is that their population has the highest concentration of seniors of all the reporting countries.

If that is true it might explain why the death toll appears higher there as seniors and the health issues that go with them put them at the top of the risk heap.

Kevin
Posted By: stumpy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 09:49 PM

Stop and think about this is a conspiracy created by toilet paper manufacturers. laugh2
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Twostick
Something I heard about the apparent spike in Italy compared to other countries that I haven't had time to fact check one way or the other is that their population has the highest concentration of seniors of all the reporting countries.

If that is true it might explain why the death toll appears higher there as seniors and the health issues that go with them put them at the top of the risk heap.

Kevin

They are also a much closer society than most other countries, nothing near "social distancing". And families tend to live together more often multigenerationally, so you'll have teenagers and young adults often living together with parents and grandparents instead of rushing away to college or living with room mates when they get into their late teens and 20s.
I'm sure that has contributed to their higher incidence and death rate.
Posted By: BloFish

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by stumpy
Stop and think about this is a conspiracy created by toilet paper manufacturers. laugh2

Thanks, I needed that laugh2
Posted By: Mr T2U

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 10:32 PM

and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/18/20 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/

And thus: The younger less cautious, less apt to abide by social distancing get the beds, equipment and attention needed to survive.

p.s. see my post above with the tally of the sick in nevada.
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Originally Posted by jcc
I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town.



Yeah ? Where is that ?
Why do people hide their location ?


Might be the same basic reason I don't need to explain.

Deal with it..


Your writing is sometimes cryptic. I'm not sure what the sentence above means.
Are the people that leave their location a "mystery" trying to hide or are they trying to be clever by using euphemisms ?
This is just a curious thing for me, not a KGB inquiry.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 01:20 AM

It is cryptic often by choice, good observation. up

Let me partially decode this particular subject,

I chose not to explain/answer the previous questions further, nor explain why.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/


I heard on the newstoday regarding Italy, per capita they have a larger quantity of beds and equipment then the US.

I have no way to confirm.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/


I heard on the newstoday regarding Italy, per capita they have a larger quantity of beds and equipment then the US.

I have no way to confirm.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

Then I saw a comment that we have more ICU beds per capita, but I can't confirm that easily.

Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...eds-per-capita-infographic/#5a74da097f86
Posted By: Satilite73

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by stumpy
Stop and think about this is a conspiracy created by toilet paper manufacturers. laugh2



So, I came home to this today. Every now and then the ex gets a good idea (I think its good anyway....)

Linky >>> End the toilet paper blues

shock
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 02:03 AM


Would one be remiss to think that in this country of very expensive healthcare cost there is little reinvestment in infrastructure and inventory of supplies?
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 02:12 AM

The benefits of having more beds per capita then ICU beds is likely beyond our expertise/understanding, in that I suspect most patients are not admitted straight to ICU, although they will if treatment in a regular bed is not longer adequate, and if there is not a regular bed available for a covid patient, I suspect they might deteriorate health wise pretty quick to then needing the ICU bed.

I don't see a clear "winner" here on per capita bed counts between Italy/US.
Posted By: calmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 02:18 AM

It's the shortage of respirators that's the big problem.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 02:36 AM

Yes they are a major part, but there must be trained healthy operators, and I suspect they need to be operated in a room fitted out for their use that includes O2 gas supplies, filtered/isolated power, maybe some network connection, etc, in that its just not the machine, its an dedicated entire system, not sure if every regular room has all the needed support, but this is all above my pay grade. eek
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 03:23 AM

In any profit-driven industry, spending capital (money) on capacity you're not likely to ever use can be considered a waste of money.

Why build a factory capable of cranking out millions of widgets a year, if you're only ever going to sell 50k a year?

Why take the time (read: money) to move product from the truck to a mini-warehouse (more money) connected to your store, when you can just go direct from the truck to the shelves? This is fine until a demand or supply shock happens, then the shelves are bare, creating a panic, causing them to continue to be bare, even if the normal about of products are still arriving daily.

The wiki link says we have 2.7 beds per capita, but a pretty low utilization rate. Why spend the money to handle a once every 100 year pandemic? And like mentioned above, we also need all the support and people to work the beds too.

All answers above my pay grade too laugh2
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
It is cryptic often by choice, good observation. up

Let me partially decode this particular subject,

I chose not to explain/answer the previous questions further, nor explain why.


Okay, thank you for responding anyway.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
In any profit-driven industry, spending capital (money) on capacity you're not likely to ever use can be considered a waste of money.

A report I heard this morning is the proposed stationng of hospital ships on opposite coasts will be used for ordinary (non cv19) hospitalizations while existing, cobbled, and temporary hospitals will be used for the welling population of young(ish) cv19 ill. Didn't hear where the +55 (retired + ss/medicaid?) will be sequestered.
I've always felt that any operation/business (I managed airports and other public facilities) should not spend all their profits on bonuses and dividends. Seems in the old days we saved up and worked extra jobs to get through winter, now industries (many non essential) immediately stick their hand out the moment a downturn materializes. I'm particularly surprised of the immediate wails for relief made by the cruise (foreign licensed ships and foreign employs) and resort industry.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by srt
I've always felt that any operation/business (I managed airports and other public facilities) should not spend all their profits on bonuses and dividends. Seems in the old days we saved up and worked extra jobs to get through winter, now industries (many non essential) immediately stick their hand out the moment a downturn materializes. I'm particularly surprised of the immediate wails for relief made by the cruise (foreign licensed ships and foreign employs) and resort industry.


Indeed. Look at the airline industry right now. Spent their profits and tax breaks on stock buy backs (raises their stock value), and now want 50 billion-ish to survive. And people wonder why young people have a bad view of the way things work.

I'm not saying investors don't deserve a return on their money, but they should have a bit of risk too. Socialism/bailouts for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor, is starting to annoy a whole lot of people.

------------------

Italian messages to their 10 day younger selves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_cImRzKXOs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/

frown
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 06:15 AM

I look at this current situation and cannot feel that it is almost like a forced roll-back of the last century. Communities now have to look within for the very basic needs to get by. Will the family unit be strengthened as it's forced to be together, will family proximity return to favor and co-op ing community resources become vogue.
Way to early to tell. Should some miracle vaccination appear (doubtful) all this is fantasy. The reality is the light at the end of the tunnel is the freight train of the fallout of this pandemic. It's real and it's building up steam. I think it is time to plant a small garden, build community networks that can carefully support each other. Trust and honesty is paramount. Too many have embraced the fujigm (f--- you jack I got mine) attitude and disrespect other humans in their proximity. This to the point of detriment of their and others life and the ability of nations to pick up the shambles that is appearing before us.
Again, it's real, it's sad and time will wear on and we may or may not be here to live it. Not a rant, just a guys feelings.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 06:49 AM

Unfortunately for us, the planet Earth does need a major Pandemic to wipe this parasite called Human off its face. In 5 million years Earth will still go around the sun, with or without us being alive.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 12:07 PM

A non-viral illness has infected this thread.
Posted By: Mr T2U

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/


I heard on the newstoday regarding Italy, per capita they have a larger quantity of beds and equipment then the US.

I have no way to confirm.


i read something similar.
by me the hospitals are nearly filled to capacity already and the illness spread is not at peak levels yet, and won't be for a while.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 01:39 PM

According to one non peer reviewed paper by Chinese researchers,
people with Type A blood
might be slightly more likely to suffer from COVID-19.

https://www.sciencealert.com/paper-...be-slightly-more-susceptible-to-covid-19
Posted By: wingman

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Unfortunately for us, the planet Earth does need a major Pandemic to wipe this parasite called Human off its face.


rolleyes
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 03:06 PM

Not just dry cough and later fever,
early symptoms of COVID-19 are not wanting to eat and the runs.

Sample quote

Nearly half of COVID-19 patients enrolled in the study conducted in the Hubei province of China presented digestive symptoms,
such as diarrhea and anorexia, and cited it as their chief complaint.
The study also reveals that patients with digestive symptoms had a longer gap between the onset of symptoms and hospital admission than patients presenting only respiratory symptoms and were less likely to be cured and discharged than those without digestive symptoms.
End quote

From

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-digestive-symptoms-prominent-covid-patients.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 03:39 PM

Chinese medical researchers revise death rate down to
1.4%
after more detailed analysis
but finds that those over age 59 are 5.1 times more likely to die than those under 59.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-mortality-outbreak-epicentre.html

Sample quote

The authors concluded that the risk of contracting a moderate to severe infection increased roughly four percent per year among adults aged 30-60 years.

End quote
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 03:48 PM

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1240432285184405505.html

Lots of science, then this conclusion:

Quote
14) Now, what does this all mean? A) With this assay we can figure out who was infected and who wasn't. That means we can determine the true infection rate and infection fatality rate. B) We can use the assay to screen for people who seroconverted and are now immune.....

15)...and they can donate their serum and it can maybe used to treat patients. C) We can test health care workers and ask the ones who are already immune to work with infectious patients. In that way the virus is not easily spread to colleagues or other patients. And D) ....

16)...we can now use this assay to better study how our immune response reacts to the virus. And then there are two more take home messages that are important: First, it looks like we are all naive, meaning we have no immunity whatsoever to SARS-CoV-2. That would....

17)....explain why it spreads so quickly. And second, it means we make an immune response to the spike. Antibodies to the RBD domain are often neutralizing, and it is likely (but needs to be confirmed) that once the antibody response sets in, we become protected.

18) Please keep in mind that these conclusions are preliminary and based on small numbers. Larger studies to confirm this are needed and ongoing. We have started to share the reagents globally and hope that this or similar assays can be set up in many places.

19) Finally, I want to thank the student who took the lead on this, Fatima Amanat as well as my whole group of dedicated students, postdocs, techs and assistant professors who dropped all their beloved influenza work to help out with creating tools to fight SARS-CoV-2.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 04:32 PM

well so much for my planning on staying home for months, the person I talk about from time to time that I take care of had a cardiac event and it took cpr to get this person back yesterday afternoon.

So off I went on the 30 mile drive to the er of a town of 3k. There is no point in calling the meat wagon here, its 45minutes then the long run to the hospital.

I was not allowed in the ER, sucked, but do to this person prior issues, they chemically delt with the svt issue and watched for an hour and we all agreed home was best. I have a defib unit here so other then the svt issue and blood work things can be done here.

Now how much did I put this person at risk and myself? I tried the sneaky ice water in the face deal that has worked a few times but for me to use the defib unit at home is a very very last resort.

She is in here mid sixties, 2 heart attacks, 2 strokes, 7 svt-s, 2 took a defib, 2 after heart ablation?. I hope we skated through.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
well so much for my planning on staying home for months, the person I talk about from time to time that I take care of had a cardiac event and it took cpr to get this person back yesterday afternoon.

So off I went on the 30 mile drive to the er of a town of 3k. There is no point in calling the meat wagon here, its 45minutes then the long run to the hospital.

I was not allowed in the ER, sucked, but do to this person prior issues, they chemically delt with the svt issue and watched for an hour and we all agreed home was best. I have a defib unit here so other then the svt issue and blood work things can be done here.

Now how much did I put this person at risk and myself? I tried the sneaky ice water in the face deal that has worked a few times but for me to use the defib unit at home is a very very last resort.

She is in here mid sixties, 2 heart attacks, 2 strokes, 7 svt-s, 2 took a defib, 2 after heart ablation?. I hope we skated through.


Wow. So sorry to hear all of that. What an awful situation. frowwn
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 04:56 PM

Thanks Charger, it will be ok.

I dont know how the pros do it, but when ya got a person on the floor with that blank dead stare like the dead cats along the road its 80% panic/ 20% dealing with the situation.

I know from the Army its easy to disconnect from everything but when its someone you love dearly if flipping blows.

But shes not in a nursing home and never will be.

The one time I had to shock her at home she hit 30/0 and was awake when I hit her at the lowest setting, she let out a groan like a horse giving birth saying please not again but with seconds was normal rhythm.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:07 PM

BREAKING NEWS— President Trump announced on Thursday the US will IMMEDIATELY make the drug Chloroquine available to treat US coronavirus patients!


On Monday Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, announced that the first trial vaccine for the coronavirus is now being tested. The trial taking place in Seattle, which has been a hotbed for COVID-19. The test includes 45 people age 18-55 and they are receiving two injections, one at zero days, one at 28 days. The individuals will then be followed for one year. The trial results is still months away.

On Monday night Laura Ingraham reported that a new study revealed the anti-viral medication chloroquine is successful in fighting the coronavirus.

** An Effective Treatment for Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Laura invited Dr. Gregory Rigano, the co-author of the study to discuss the latest findings.

Dr. Rigano said their study found that those COVID-19 patients who took hydroxy-chloroquine were found free of the disease in 6 days. The patients were testing negative for the coronavirus in six days!

Dr. Rigano also said taking choroquine could act as a preventative.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:22 PM

That announcement has already been contradicted by the FDA.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:26 PM

Under these circumstances, I would be more reassured hearing this and detailed info from a real MD, rather then the door greeter, especially one less contentious.

My above comment refers to the initial comment I replied to regarding the live TV news conference I also watched that began at approx 11:30am today, announced by a person who multiple times stumbled with the correct pronunciation of the drugs name, among other things.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
That announcement has already been contradicted by the FDA.


Link?
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:31 PM

Right from a hospital MD & department head - Syracuse, NY - a friend of mine:

I did see that.
They are trialing here too

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-remdesivir-treat-covid-19-begins
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Eric wrote:



Jim, just in case this one didn’t make it to you: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12317268
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
That announcement has already been contradicted by the FDA.


We need to double your pay rate. up biggrin
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:35 PM

The "immediately available" part is what was contradicted. It has been tested, and has now been approved for clinical trials.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8aueQXQ2H4
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 05:53 PM

THe fast tracking of clinical trial is fantastic, and very promising. Here's hoping it works.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 06:14 PM

I see, they really do care about us, but the states need to get their own supplies. I feel better now.
A year from now the albino survivors emerge in hopes the clinical trial is successful in bringing this drug to do just what?
Sorry for the sour reception, I liken this to adding Barr's Leaks to a vehicle with warped heads.
I am glad there are researchers working on this, yet "holds promise" should not replace dedicated research.
A vaccine is not a treatment, but may prevent this, and similar virus in the future.
For now distance, clean practices and laying low is all we can and should be doing.
future albino
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 06:16 PM

What is an the albino survivor?
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
What is an the albino survivor?

my description of scared untanned survivors emerging from chattels as the effects of the virus wind down
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 06:56 PM

See my previous post where I tried to buy thirty 250mg tablets of hydroxy-chloroquine.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...lder-men-smokers-harder.html#Post2747719

Instead of costing $1.20 for 30 tablets like it does overseas,
I was quoted $501 and told no delivery date could be promised.

hydroxy-chloroquine Is synthetic quinine.

Originally “natural quinine” was gotten from the sap of a South American tree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinine#History

Natural quinine was in “Tonic Water” which was part of well known bar drink “Gin and Tonic”.

In Dec 2006 the do-gooders banned natural Quinine from being put in Tonic Water, mandating that an artificial flavor be used instead. Hundreds of tree farmers in South America and elsewhere lost their jobs.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/771699

At that time it was not understood that quinine is also an anti-viral against some viruses.
Malaria is not caused by a virus, but a protozoa, which is a tiny animal.

So now that there is an urgent and widespread need for quinine (or synthetic hydroxy-chloroquine)
aren’t glad that you can’t just buy “real tonic water” at the grocery store?

Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 07:01 PM

Which post..You must have over 50 post's on corona virus... eek
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
See my previous post where I tried to buy thirty 250mg tablets of hydroxy-chloroquine.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...lder-men-smokers-harder.html#Post2747719

Instead of costing $1.20 for 30 tablets like it does overseas,
I was quoted $501 and told no delivery date could be promised.

hydroxy-chloroquine Is synthetic quinine.

Originally “natural quinine” was gotten from the sap of a South American tree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinine#History

Natural quinine was in “Tonic Water” which was part of well known bar drink “Gin and Tonic”.

In Dec 2006 the do-gooders banned natural Quinine from being put in Tonic Water, mandating that an artificial flavor be used instead. Hundreds of tree farmers in South America and elsewhere lost their jobs.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/771699

At that time it was not understood that quinine is also an anti-viral against some viruses.
Malaria is not caused by a virus, but a protozoa, which is a tiny animal.

So now that there is an urgent and widespread need for quinine (or synthetic hydroxy-chloroquine)
aren’t glad that you can’t just buy “real tonic water” at the grocery store.



But if you look at tonic water, it lists as an ingredient quinine, not quinine flavoring. What up wid dat?
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 08:27 PM

Greatly reduced qty of quinine, only enough to add a little flavor with no benefit. Tanqueray and tonic does not taste as it should mixed with the stuff.
Posted By: John Brown

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 08:28 PM

nypost.com/2020/03/19/old-malaria-d...hromycin-may-help-cure-coronavirus-study

Two drug cocktail was 100 % successful after six day test. Single drug, 50 to 70 %.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Greatly reduced qty of quinine, only enough to add a little flavor with no benefit. Tanqueray and tonic does not taste as it should mixed with the stuff.


I bet there is a run on regular old quinine water right now!
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
The "immediately available" part is what was contradicted. It has been tested, and has now been approved for clinical trials.


LOL.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 09:28 PM

Quote
The trial results is still months away.



It's not yet available, and according to the doc, it won't be for a while. shruggy It sure sounds like they are clearing as many hurdles as fast as they can, which is great, but you can't speed up the actual trial.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 10:04 PM

So maybe 10 days ago on one of the "pre Official Covid" threads, I shared my grocery store idea about opening alternate check out lanes.

This afternoon I visited the same store, and the check out lanes were once again all bunched together.

There happened to be a different store manager nearby helping a customer.

I spoke to him when he was finished and shared with him my suggestion.

He replied:

"that's a good idea"

"I never thought of that "

When asked is there any reason why not to?

"I can't think of one"

He ended with:

"I'll send an email up to corporate"

The light went yellow.. boogie
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 10:19 PM

boogie

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Posted By: Little Detroit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 11:00 PM




hasn't Berry already chimed in a told that its a fake virus , but he's not telling anybody whats fake about it ,because it will just help them make a better fake virus??
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 11:01 PM

Doc as a non drinker id always thought they were nearly the same.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/19/20 11:33 PM

A local Vodka maker has decided to stop making it and is now making 85% alcohol hand sanitizer and is giving it to our local hospitals and care centers for free. He is mixing his raw vodka 99.8% alcohol with glycerin and Lavender oil. To sell it to the public he would need to De-nature it with .01% methanol.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 12:37 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b96uqlQM8F4
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:08 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...statewide-stay-at-home-order/ar-BB11qYLm
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:18 AM



Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
Doc as a non drinker id always thought they were nearly the same.


pOtO ..... sorry to report that some people ACTUALLY DRINK that stuff ... GOOGLE IT !

A bud of mine wife’s bestie does just that .... cute as hell ... a gear head chick but is a FLAMING ALCOHOLIC! frown

What a waste ...
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:27 AM

Not many total deaths yet, but it's trending upwards. After seeing the pictures from spring break in a few places, it'll continue to go up frown

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:37 AM

R u referring to the tugOwar group on Clearwater Beach today ? : eek

Maybe 150 strong !!
Posted By: Smhemi

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 10:23 AM

Since Africa uses the antimalarial drug chloroquine I would say it works pretty good.

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Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 01:25 PM

Again not sure if this reply belongs here or stock bailing thread.

Looks like all of us under $99K income per tax filer might be getting a couple of Gov 4 figure hand out checks soon.

My first line of thought, I'd call Summit and add a few more items to my on the self future projects list.

Although my cash flow in this downturn is approaching 6 figures, I'm not in dire straights like a lot of others are or will be.

I am not boasting one bit, I'm just very grateful.

My close relatives are for the time being in better/more stable financial shape then I am.

I see little upside in just returning the checks, to be squandered on some thing else likely stupid or wasteful.

So my question is, how how can I trickle down directly the money (donate) to do the most good, for those most in need?

Any serious ideas?
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 01:35 PM

The modern day version of a "Hurricane Party" in Panama City
Unconfirmed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Camille#Hurricane_Party

"Authorities admit wherever there are people congregating, there will be risks of spreading the virus, but others say they do not want to jump the gun on a decision just yet."

My guess, if they draw out the decision long enough, spring break will be over and they look like they took the high road, and then can count their money. tsk

IMO its embarrassing the rest of Florida took so long to see the light and close the beaches, but then its Florida. eyes

https://www.mypanhandle.com/community/panama-city-beach-will-not-be-closing-its-beaches/

Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:16 PM

Make it simple, give it to your pizza guy you speak so highly of????
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:20 PM

He will be fine.

I was considering funding limited free pizzas for those in need. Just hard to figure who is really needy vs just opportunistic

He is a stand up enough of guy and he would handle it well.

There is a local homeless guy, seems almost by choice, I thought about helping him.

Spoke with him last week, he recently applied for SS, and in his words, he has more money in the bank then he can spend. Lives in a tent.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:24 PM

If you have small local businesses in your area that you like I would use it to support their establishments, they are all suffering through this. If you get a pizza or food delivery, tip well. If you have a locally owned gas station buy there, same with independent local auto parts etc.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 02:57 PM

Edit- Too harsh of a reply.

Just make it simple on yourself and receiver.


Originally Posted by jcc
He will be fine.

I was considering funding limited free pizzas for those in need. Just hard to figure who is really needy vs just opportunistic

He is a stand up enough of guy and he would handle it well.

There is a local homeless guy, seems almost by choice, I thought about helping him.

Spoke with him last week, he recently applied for SS, and in his words, he has more money in the bank then he can spend. Lives in a tent.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 03:08 PM

All volunteer fire departments in my area and they are taking a big hit financially. They relie on Friday night fish, shrimp, and chicken sales during Lent. They were forced to cancel. My son does fork truck repair on the road for local (100 mile app radius) business and he was called at 10 pm last night and laid off. all non essential work places shut dow in Pa.
Posted By: moparx

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 03:17 PM

the news last might said auto parts stores, hardware stores, and auto repair facilities were on the list approved to be open. [along with the others]
beer
Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 03:46 PM

Oh crap!!
https://kwwl.com/2020/03/20/with-to...f-bathroom-products-in-a-stolen-trailer/
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Any serious ideas?


I believe I would re-inject it into the local economy. THink about the locally owned mom and pop stores, especially the ones where you see the owner behind the counter. Doing so will help them get through these tough times.
I am thinking of hiring independent licensed contractors to help with some small projects I have on the board (outside the house only).
I have not thought much about the "tax relief". Last time I stuck it in the bank because it was not free money, rather a defer of tax paid during the year and either deducted from your refund or included in your check back to the tax man the following April.
With that in view, don't look at anything as a windfall or gift, spend it where you would ordinarily spend, or if sympathetic to community members support a business as above.
Another way to help is check with locally based charities and find one you are comfortable with. One I've been thinking of is hospice. Cancer has no bounds and the workers that help families through dark times need protection. Many volunteer thrift stores fund hospice activities and should their doors be shuttered, they need $ to help.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 05:14 PM

I support the locals already as best as I can. I'm still new to area and the fact they tolerate an outsider is much appreciated. biggrin

I like the hospice idea, I'll check into that.
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 05:18 PM

We have a local restaurant where some of the car guys go every Saturday morning for breakfast...

A few of us are going to purchase gift cards from there for future meals at a later time to help carry them through this slow time...

The whole "sky is falling" thought process that has consumed the media is a f/n shame...

For the most part on the other side of this nothing will have changed...maybe some businesses don't make it through but the majority of them will...

People are still planning their futures...Guys will still buy car parts...With any luck lighting will strike the heads of the few idiots wearing tin foil...

In the end all will be good...

The pessimist's need an attitude adjustment... hammer
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by skicker
With any luck lighting will strike the heads of the few idiots wearing tin foil...

In the end all will be good...

The pessimist's need an attitude adjustment... hammer


cv19 will take care of those without tinfoil, those heeding some basic, commonsense precautions will be the 30%-60% that get through this without infection and likely diminished breathing capacity.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 05:33 PM

Guys will still buy car parts.

I have gotten more offers in the last three days of my ebay watched items of people trying to sell anything, also ive marked some things that sold easily two months ago to 1/4 the price and have sold zero.

So for the ebay part I cant agree with.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 05:58 PM

I hear Summit Racing is still open.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
I hear Summit Racing is still open.

Not sure about today but 4 days ago I ordered $480 in parts from Summit. They all got here yesterday late afternoon. Still in garage unopened. Will set there for another 4 days or so.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 06:11 PM

So with the "lock downs" in NY and Ca, not sure how I see this being real effective, if anybody from another state can just waltz in. Seems like it would be more effective and shorter if nationwide. Seems like those who feel they are outside the circle of risk (tin foil hat denial?), will only prolong this crisis with their thinking.

This should not be a 48? state decision, and if so, it's rather divisive, and risky.

Being a leader sometimes requires tough, unpopular, deliberate decisions from the top.

Many predictions from day one have been spot on, we all know which ones.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 06:11 PM

Ordered rear rotors & pads for my wife's buggy from Rock Auto on Monday, rotors arrived Wed. & pads yesterday.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 09:11 PM

This team is cross checking whether any of the
20,000 drugs already approved as safe for humans
can block proteins essential to the wuhan coronavirus that causes COVID-19:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-drugs-covid-19so-pieces-coronavirus.html

Sample quote

Our chemists used a massive database to match the approved drugs and proteins they interact with to the proteins on our list. They found 10 candidate drugs last week. For example, one of the hits was a cancer drug called JQ1. While we cannot predict how this drug might affect the virus, it has a good chance of doing something. Through testing, we will know if that something helps patients.

Facing the threat of global border shutdowns, we immediately shipped boxes of these 10 drugs to two of the few labs in the world working with live coronavirus samples: at the Pasteur Institute in Paris and Mount Sinai in New York. By March 13, the drugs were being tested in cells to see if they prevent the virus from reproducing.

Our team will soon learn from our collaborators at Mt. Sinai and the Pasteur Institute whether any of these first 10 drugs work against SARS-CoV-2 infections. Meanwhile, the team has continued fishing with viral baits, finding hundreds of additional human proteins that the coronavirus co-opts. We will be publishing the results in the online repository BioRxiv soon.

The good news is that so far, our team has found 50 existing drugs that bind the human proteins we've identified. This large number makes me hopeful that we'll be able to find a drug to treat COVID-19. If we find an approved drug that even slows down the virus's progression, doctors should be able to start getting it to patients quickly and save lives

End quote
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/20/20 11:54 PM

On the tube I watched a guy say there were some real "hot spots" And cited were California and New York.
Out of curiosity I did a little research and found the "Hot Spots defined by Per Capita and by Shear numbers is somewhat interesting and perhaps should be used for education those in charge and also the populace so steps can be taken. Numbers are from earlier today. I am a retired engineer and data is interesting.
Hot Spots are definately around high concentrations of people and one can nearly forget geo-political boundaries when slinging diatribes. What I see is some of the State (Areas) with lowest population have high infection rates. Conversely California with the most population is toward the middle of infection rate.
Rank is Highest per capita dx with cv19 - Sorry Excel does not import real well, but follow down the chart.

Infection
Rank Pop Rank Population cv19 cases % of pop
1 4 New York 19,440,469 5365 2.760%
2 13 Washington 7,797,095 1376 1.765%
3 25 Louisiana 4,645,184 392 0.844%
4 11 New Jersey 8,936,574 742 0.830%
5 50 District of Columbia 720,687 40 0.555%
6 21 Colorado 5,845,526 277 0.474%
7 15 Massachusetts 6,976,597 328 0.470%
8 29 Connecticut 3,563,077 159 0.446%
9 45 Rhode Island 1,056,161 44 0.417%
10 43 Maine 1,345,790 52 0.386%
11 51 Vermont 628,061 22 0.350%
12 6 Illinois 12,659,682 422 0.333%
13 10 Michigan 10,045,029 334 0.333%
14 42 New Hampshire 1,371,246 44 0.321%
15 52 Wyoming 567,025 18 0.317%
16 46 Delaware 982,895 30 0.305%
17 32 Nevada 3,139,658 95 0.303%
18 20 Wisconsin 5,851,754 159 0.272%
19 8 Georgia 10,736,059 287 0.267%
20 30 Utah 3,282,115 80 0.244%
21 1 California 39,937,489 952 0.238%
22 48 North Dakota 761,723 18 0.236%
23 16 Tennessee 6,897,576 154 0.223%
24 27 Oregon 4,301,089 88 0.205%
25 33 Arkansas 3,038,999 62 0.204%
26 3 Florida 21,992,985 417 0.190%
27 19 Maryland 6,083,116 107 0.176%
28 35 Mississippi 2,989,260 50 0.167%
29 37 New Mexico 2,096,640 35 0.167%
30 5 Pennsylvania 12,820,878 206 0.161%
31 24 Alabama 4,908,621 78 0.159%
32 22 Minnesota 5,700,671 89 0.156%
33 23 South Carolina 5,210,095 81 0.155%
34 38 Nebraska 1,952,570 29 0.149%
35 31 Iowa 3,179,849 44 0.138%
36 49 Alaska 734,002 9 0.123%
37 47 South Dakota 903,027 11 0.122%
38 36 Kansas 2,910,357 34 0.117%
39 9 North Carolina 10,611,862 123 0.116%
40 12 Virginia 8,626,207 99 0.115%
41 41 Hawaii 1,412,687 16 0.113%
42 28 Oklahoma 3,954,821 44 0.111%
43 7 Ohio 11,747,694 119 0.101%
44 44 Montana 1,086,759 11 0.101%
45 17 Indiana 6,745,354 60 0.089%
46 2 Texas 29,472,295 260 0.088%
47 26 Kentucky 4,499,692 37 0.082%
48 14 Arizona 7,378,494 45 0.061%
49 39 Idaho 1,826,156 11 0.060%
50 18 Missouri 6,169,270 31 0.050%
51 40 West Virginia 1,778,070 2 0.011%
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 12:46 AM

Don't hate me but:

1. Hurricane season officially starts June 1
2. Hurricanes seem to be starting earlier each year in past years
3. They also seem to be getting stronger/larger
4. There is no scientific reason hurricanes cannot form before 6/1
5. They already have
6. Atlantic hurricanes potentially threaten many states/population
7. The loss of life of elderly patients at a nursing home during IRMA with a power outage and loss of life was well documented
8. I have no idea the difficulty of moving a large number of patients on respirators when in an evacuation area
9. There are no shelters that can separate evacuees during a hurricane
10. Since it has been widely reported few saw this pandemic coming, I'm fairly confident the impact or just the threat of a hurricane with a full blown pandemic occurring has not been considered, or it so gruesome those in the know, will not discuss it.

Knowledge is power in some peoples eyes.



Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 12:49 AM

Florida stopped all indoor dining today.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/...governor-closes-all-restaurants-and-gyms
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 02:13 AM

Other natural disasters could pop-up as well. There was a 5.2 earthquake off the coast of Eureka in far nor cal and another 4.5 just a few minutes ago by Carson City NV. Those were not bad for damage but I thought about the logistics and monetary crush one would deliver if it hit so cal.
Our elected people and their appointees are probably thinking they did not sign up for this.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by jcc


Well jCc ..., jsta called Applebees... they are closed now at 10 but they don’t have knowledge of orders to close for sit down dining.....

Today ... because the crowds were light they have given the word DISTANCING new meaning......

30% occupancy... at least one table separation....

If THAT is not reasonable and acceptable......

then CLOSE DOWN the grocery stores because distancing and separation THERE is not even that generous.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by srt
Other natural disasters could pop-up as well. There was a 5.2 earthquake off the coast of Eureka in far nor cal and another 4.5 just a few minutes ago by Carson City NV. Those were not bad for damage but I thought about the logistics and monetary crush one would deliver if it hit so cal.
Our elected people and their appointees are probably thinking they did not sign up for this.


I’m sure MOST OF US WILL AGREE .... the large LARGE percentage of those folks have feathered their beds BIG TIME .... and should do twice the work that they are assigned to do .... tsk
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 10:49 AM

Drug professor and radio show host Joe Graedon on Chloroquine:

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/art...uine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 11:14 AM

Here's a great visual representation of the goal behind social distancing and stay-at-home requirements.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...aWWwr24_6_JKhot-OCMXEcbaghkytrVjEjn5i0tA
Posted By: Transman

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Here's a great visual representation of the goal behind social distancing and stay-at-home requirements.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...aWWwr24_6_JKhot-OCMXEcbaghkytrVjEjn5i0tA


It is a great visualization. I wish they would put something like this on the TV. Last sentence in the presentation is sombering, “in real life some of the dots should disappear”.

For those of us that have friends or relatives in nursing homes or assisted living this has to be even more difficult.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Other natural disasters could pop-up as well. There was a 5.2 earthquake off the coast of Eureka in far nor cal and another 4.5 just a few minutes ago by Carson City NV. Those were not bad for damage but I thought about the logistics and monetary crush one would deliver if it hit so cal.
Our elected people and their appointees are probably thinking they did not sign up for this.


Yes, we have a plethora of horrific possibilities, but few have such a large potential area and population impact, that provides an advance warning for mass evacuation and storing of needed supplies with a threatening hurricane. Since normally only a small percentage are actually impacted by a storm, its those that aren't, and are packed together while waiting, with all the supplies normally told to acquire pre storm by the authorities, and now found in very scare quantities, sure looks like the proverbial perfect storm to me.

Granted ,the chances are very slim, like the chances of this current pandemic.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Originally Posted by jcc


Well jCc ..., jsta called Applebees... they are closed now at 10 but they don’t have knowledge of orders to close for sit down dining.....

Today ... because the crowds were light they have given the word DISTANCING new meaning......

30% occupancy... at least one table separation....

If THAT is not reasonable and acceptable......

then CLOSE DOWN the grocery stores because distancing and separation THERE is not even that generous.


Not sure many support local restaurants more then I do, to tune of eating out on the average pre COVID `15? times a week.
I will survive Applebees/Pizza Parlors/etc closing their dining, it would be very difficult for me losing access to a grocery store.

That being said, I emailed Gov DeSantis my idea last night of going to alternate check out lanes in the grocery stores. We'll see.

I'm sure there are other possibilities to mitigate the spread of COVID in a grocery store, such you must wear a mask inside, every one must push a grocery cart, empty or full when in the store, to help maintain spacing, etc

We have to try.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 03:21 PM

To expand upon the data I posted above I looked for a site that showed cases per county. I live in California and knew the highest numbers of infected were in the SF Bay Area and the LA Basin. I thought about the rest of the country and portions with the highest concentrations of people, especially eastern seaboard. Many were among the highest percapita infection rate. I then located one of those night time satellite photos that show the country at night that really shows concentrations of people. Wow, what and eye opener. Granted most high per capoita infections are in highly populated areas, yet a few sparsely populated states (albeit concetrations) have high per capita. A lot can be determined if one chooses to seek local data showing numbers of infection (by county of the various states) and them see if age demographics are available. Regardless the pic is there to ponder.

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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 07:39 PM

Some recovered COVID patients report they started feeling better then suddenly got worse:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...symptoms-often-linger-worsening-n1164756

Sample quote

Dr Denison said nearly all of his most critically ill patients have a combination of three specific underlying medical problems: obesity, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes.

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Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
Some recovered COVID patients report they started feeling better then suddenly got worse:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...symptoms-often-linger-worsening-n1164756

Sample quote

Dr Denison said nearly all of his most critically ill patients have a combination of three specific underlying medical problems: obesity, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes.

End quote


What they seem to fail to mention unfortunately, it apparently helps little if the diseases are being medicated and under control.

I have all three under control/medication, and have lost 52 lbs since 11-5-19, and still trending downward.

I take this very seriously.

Posted By: JF_Moparts

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 07:48 PM

In case it hasn't been posted:

This is from an immunologist at Johns Hopkins University:

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand…
It has to do with RNA sequencing…. ie. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year… you get immunity two ways…through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals…the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1), (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans, then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity…the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now…sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human. For years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer from human to human…once that happens, we have a new *contagion phase*…and depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that will decide how contagious, or deadly it’s gonna be.
H1N1 was deadly…but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

*Fast forward*.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus…it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long. But one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person…But here is the scary part…in just *TWO WEEKS* it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, *“slippery”*

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. This was because, Humans have no known immunity…doctors have no known medicines for it.

It just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way that it causes great damage to human lungs.

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza…this one is “slippery”. It’s a lung eater. It’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have *two strains* to deal with, *strain S* and *strain L*, which make it twice as hard to develop a vaccine for. *We really have no tools in our shed, with this*.

*History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics.* Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed…(honestly…I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation!
And let me end by saying…right now it’s hitting older folks harder… but this genome is so slippery…if it mutates again (and it will) who is to say, what it will do next.
Be smart…acting like you’re unafraid is not smart right now.

Stay home folks…and share this with those that just are not catching on. Please explain the gravity of this to your children. It’s going to be hard, they will be bored, but this is the only way we can help flatten the curve.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 08:03 PM

Minutia COVID comment clarification.

NY Gov Cuomo made an analogy a few days ago and effectively stated "Testing (COVID) is like what missiles were to WW2"

Sorry that was an inept odd analogy IMO.

Missiles usually have a guidance system. The only main known ones were used by the Germans late in the war, were mainly ineffective infrastructure wise, and primarily served as a revenge terror weapon.

A better more relate-able analogy to WW2 should have more like, "Testing (COVID) is like the the Jeep of WW2".
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/21/20 08:28 PM

At a little past the 7:45 minute mark in this youtube video there is information about the over the counter supplement Quercetin, which at a dose of 3000 to 6000 mg per day might be beneficial against COVID-19 for similar reasons that Hydroxy-Chloroquine is. Quercetin is generally in 500 mg tablets. Previously Quercetin has been found to treat Influenza and Ebola viruses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4_LsftNKM
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 02:13 AM

Well, this is interesting:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...ege-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Summary of the report:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

Treat it like the flu, and we'd lose closer to 4 million people, and 8-15% over 70.

eek
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 02:37 AM

Well the applebees is closed NOW ... drove by earlier. Not even for take out from what I saw.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 02:38 AM

This is from a friend in Bergamo, Italy.

Todays Update:
not really on the COVID19 (793 deads, of which 546 in Lombardy alone) but on how we got that hell here.

The most credited theory is
A F.....G soccer match.

The numbers seems all right:
ATALANTA-VALENCIA, Soccer Match on 19 FEB 2020, SAN SIRO STADIUM, MILAN, LOMBARDY

COVID 19 was still thought as a Chinese thing, 45,000 fans from the northern regions watched the match (Atalanta is the Bergamo team, and it was sort of the higher match/championship run. Not a soccer fan, so I'm bit ignorant)

MARCH 4, 14 exact days after the match, when the first cases were found and they were searching for patient 0, the sky falls on Bergamo and it begins the shitslide what you see now.

MARCH 9, Atalanta team goes in Valencia, playing a closed door match. Thank god no fans watching. Stadium was sold out.

MARCH 16, Valencia coach says that all his personnel is found positive to Corona Virus.

This all seems very plausible. We had 45K patient 0's.

(Edited, Spell checked is all)
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 02:40 AM

jCc ... you know more than most here .....

A Q that’s been bugging me .....

If the max life of the virus is 48 hours ... why not let any used masks 48 hours to DRY OUT in the sun light then reuse them ?
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 03:13 AM

They need to make some Ozone air boxes that they can put these used mask's in and flow 2 hours of pure Ozone and then a few hours of just clean HEPA filtered air.
Not many things living on this earth can survive 2 hours of Ozone.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
jCc ... you know more than most here .....

A Q that’s been bugging me .....

If the max life of the virus is 48 hours ... why not let any used masks 48 hours to DRY OUT in the sun light then reuse them ?


Similar Q = if 86* F kills the virus can hot water washing or heating in a dryer or autoclave be utilized?
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 03:49 AM

THERE you go guys ..... 86 degrees ? It was 89 today in Florida...

Hell ....pop them in a 100 degree oven ! up
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
THERE you go guys ..... 86 degrees ? It was 89 today in Florida...

Hell ....pop them in a 100 degree oven ! up
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Keep in mind doc that reports say that is the case. HOWEVER, the entire southern hemisphere, while slow to get rolling with the outbreak (temps?, less affluent travellers?) now has many. I also feel it may likely be airborne solely because of the rate of dispersion to even remote islands.
Other reports claim the virus has morphed a couple times since it wis isolated. Lastly the country previously known as the ussr has jumped on the tally up bandwagon. I expect more and more attempts by the power brokers there to control the news flow.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 04:44 AM

Back from the pool and hot tub ....

Arnold had it over me ... I didn’t have a hat or stogie or underwater maid !

How about a box to put those masks in with a hair dryer blowing in !

100 degrees in no time !

Then before I left ... on Jesse’s show was Dr Oz !
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:28 AM

If new masks are available use them.

But if old masks must be reused
my guess is that they could be
exposed to UV light, (UV from sun highest near noon)
sprayed with alcohol and allowed to dry,
or heated to a temperature just below where the elastic breaks down.

Masks are most valuable to put on sick people, including sick people who do not yet feel they are sick.

Since there is a 4 to 10 day incubation period before symptoms are felt when you wear a mask in public you are mainly doing a great favor to other people.

Masks do reduce by about a 1/3 your chances of breathing in a relatively fat water droplet that was coughed/sneezed out from a sick person.

In low humidity fat droplets evaporate away to small droplets that can go through masks.
This is a time to hope for high humidity to come early.

In high humidity warm weather fat droplets stay fat much longer because evaporation is much less and these fat droplets sink faster to the ground where the virus fairly quickly becomes inactive.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 03:28 PM

My life cal Harbor Freight donated all of their rubber gloves to those in need. Kinda funny walking down the rows where the gloves used to be stacked.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 03:48 PM

Jsta before the V hit I picked up THIS ..... I’m carrying one of these in the car ....

Maybe not the most pleasant smelling butttt ....

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Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 03:50 PM

According to the CDC .... bleach works up
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 04:03 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favipiravir

Seems to have worked in both Chinese and Japanese small trials in humans against the Wuhan novel coronavirus.

With 5 drugs now identified
plus Gamma Globulin Serum from recovered patients’ blood donations,
it now looks like
outstanding Logistics
is what is needed to get
drugs, tests and supplies to where they are needed.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 04:08 PM

Things could be far worse...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-crisis-hit-venezuelans-homemade-remedies-virus.html
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
According to the CDC .... bleach works up

Eqyally good and more concentrated is swim pool chlorine. Runs about 10%, regular bleach is o.k., but generally has additives (smell, anty splash, etc).
Mix pool chlorine down and also mix straight chlorox down by a formula you find on-line. I don't want to be responsible. I'll add this: pour the chlorine into the water, not vice versa.
Another method to sanitize using uv is an air pump with tubing connected to a stainless steel container with a high discharge uv light tube inside.The ss container has a fitting to attach another tube that runs to a large container or small room and the pump runs air through the ozonze rich ss container and onto the ozone treatment box/room.
One source is "revolution ozone", others can be found by searching ozone generator or ozone treatment for water. I have one on our water system to remove iron and sanitize water that can be easily retrofitted by unplugging one tube and plugging in a second tube into my treatment box. It's a large plastic storage box with snap on lid. Ozone is heavier than air and will fill the box anything needing sanitized is simply placed into the box where it becomes submerged in the "pool
of ozone. Leave items in there long enough to drown the item in deadly oxygen absent oxone. Also do not have this in your house as it will kill you very similar to drowning.
I am also curious if sweat houses the native indians of the pacific northwest could be effective in ridding people of this virus.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
jCc ... you know more than most here .....

A Q that’s been bugging me .....

If the max life of the virus is 48 hours ... why not let any used masks 48 hours to DRY OUT in the sun light then reuse them ?


Not sure i agree with your initial premise.

I might concede I might be more intense and outspoken then normal.

To address your question, I think a bigger more pertinent question, which I mentioned briefly days ago and it got little traction here, any "95" series mask with a breathing "valve", only stops the virus from being transmitting one direction, on the intake. Many "industrial" masks have this feature, they cost slightly more money, and are rather beneficial when used by a wearer doing exerting labor outdoors. I wonder if the recent exemption of liability congress passed, took this into account, because it really promotes a lot of false hope to those nearby a wearer, IMO.


Also IMO, sunlight is normally a great disinfectant, why I like grabbing an empty grocery cart that has been left in the sunlight, vs one racked inside the air conditioned store.

Unless you live next to say an outdoor land fill, the sun/heat is your friend for killing bad stuff if kept dry. twocents
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 07:36 PM

Anyone desiring one explanation and overview of the outbreak:
->Click<-
From some intermediate host (turtle, pangolin, or?) to pandemic in < 3months!
Interesting to me that in state of Hubei (where Wuhan Market Source is located) there are 67,800 infected (pop = 58.5m).
USA has an estimated population of 329m (Jan of 2020). We have nearly 5 times the population and over approx 1/2 the amount of cases. Granted the market was a breeding ground and the responsibles in the state suppressed info giving the virus a head start. Seems we are running a parallel course with our numbers on the up-swing. We find ourselves now treating w/o test results (good move over the option of sending petri dishes home). Seems like the powers have gained attention and are now going after this thing that will be cutting life short for some and hitting all of our pocketbooks for the rest of our lives.
This surreal situation is much like bloodletting of the 1700's, saping the strength of our population. many unidentified effects.
Lastly beware if this morphs again. This virus is not a life form nor a chemical "thing" it's not known how it can react at any time after right now.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 08:42 PM

Read:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/fren...t=032220-news&utm_campaign=position2
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 09:29 PM

USA map of where hospitals with at least one Intensive Care Unit bed are

https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus...icans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/

Sample quote

Overall, 18 million people live in counties that have hospitals but no ICU, about a quarter of them 60 or older, the analysis shows. Nearly 11 million more Americans reside in counties with no hospital, some 2.7 million of them seniors.
Snip

Consider the homes of two midsize cities: The Louisville area of Jefferson County, Kentucky, for instance, has one ICU bed for every 442 people age 60 or older, while in Santa Cruz, California, that number stands at one bed for every 2,601 residents.

Differences are vast within each state as well: San Francisco, with one bed for every 532 older residents, and Los Angeles, with 847 residents per bed, both have greater bed availability than does Santa Cruz.

Even counties that rank in the top 10% for ICU bed count still have as many as 450 older people potentially competing for each bed.

End quote
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 09:58 PM


Interesting. A lawyer from New York who is now "an advisor to the Stanford University School of Medicine" pusing this idea up a flag pole. What's his stake in this?
Found to be not completely inaccurate days ago. It's a complete tragedy for our Government or Press to pawn the latest snake oil. I think it's best to let legitimate researchers do the work. I can't believe the media that stoops to offering false hope that leads segments of populations to throw caution to the wind. Right now older sick people are the most common victim. What happens should younger populations (by sheer numbers of miscreants who ignore public health directives) who are infected and infect others become the carrier of a morph that starts killing younger groups off? Remember shear numbers and flatten the curve.
Sound far fetched? This virus has already morphed as it is generally believed to have have started to an intestinal virus in bats and transferred to turtles or pangolins that were sold to be eaten at the market in China. At some time between bat and human it morphed into a respiratory virus that includes gene sequence seen in pangolin viruses. That is what we have now, scary virus transferred to humans by an odd looking food/medicine that has no cure. Who knows how this virus will look in a few days or months from now.
Shear numbers and flatten the curve so that there is less opportunity for this virus to morph leaving us with chasing cures.
I wrote Shear intentionally as we need to cut the number of infected people spreading this crap about.
P.S. ->Click<- For wWIRED article that explains the lawyer/consultant/smoke/mirrors.
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by srt

Interesting. A lawyer from New York who is now "an advisor to the Stanford University School of Medicine" pusing this idea up a flag pole. What's his stake in this?
Found to be not completely inaccurate days ago. It's a complete tragedy for our Government or Press to pawn the latest snake oil. I think it's best to let legitimate researchers do the work. I can't believe the media that stoops to offering false hope that leads segments of populations to throw caution to the wind. Right now older sick people are the most common victim. What happens should younger populations (by sheer numbers of miscreants who ignore public health directives) who are infected and infect others become the carrier of a morph that starts killing younger groups off? Remember shear numbers and flatten the curve.
Sound far fetched? This virus has already morphed as it is generally believed to have have started to an intestinal virus in bats and transferred to turtles or pangolins that were sold to be eaten at the market in China. At some time between bat and human it morphed into a respiratory virus that includes gene sequence seen in pangolin viruses. That is what we have now, scary virus transferred to humans by an odd looking food/medicine that has no cure. Who knows how this virus will look in a few days or months from now.
Shear numbers and flatten the curve so that there is less opportunity for this virus to morph leaving us with chasing cures.
I wrote Shear intentionally as we need to cut the number of infected people spreading this crap about.
P.S. ->Click<- For wWIRED article that explains the lawyer/consultant/smoke/mirrors.


So you are saying the drug trials going on around the world with this 1-2 punch showing 100% cure rate are BS? According to the article, the French did a controlled roll-out to 40 patients, & it knocked the virus completely out of all 40. What don't you believe? That the UFO that landed in your yard that you watched & walked inside of was not a UFO?
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 10:41 PM

Give it time. Clinical trials with peer review oft times have results.
Will this? Who knows, but with the sources included in the viral spread of the "news" I'll keep my fingers crossed that legitimate research will bring forth something that works.
If you read and follow all the news on the cocktail with the time that has elapsed since the "researchers" found promise I would think the cocktail therapy would have widespread acceptance and in use saving lives.
So for now leave the flood-gates open and do not focus on one miracle. Also powers that be need to shut the door on any info that suggests young and middle age people should feel free to move about as they will live through this.
p.s. I'll leave the tin foil on the shelves for people that really need it.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:01 PM

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ur-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:03 PM

To the Naysayers that keep searching the web for any small tidbits to push your naysaying ways.....

GET OFF MY LAWN!
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:05 PM

87 year old rubella vaccine inventor still working on today’s threat

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...k-rubella-working-defeat-new-coronavirus

Sample quote

Q: Before the rubella vaccine was licensed in 1969, rubella was cyclical, coming in outbreaks every 4 to 6 years. Should we expect that with the novel coronavirus?

A: That is the $64,000 question. I really have no firm answer to that. We all hope—and I underline hope—that the [novel] coronavirus will not persist in the population in some mild form that could pop up again and again. Bear in mind that there are three or four [different] respiratory coronaviruses that were isolated years ago and which are still circulating, and which cause fortunately mild respiratory infections. They are not going away. And we just don’t know about this coronavirus. That’s why the effort to develop a vaccine in the shortest possible time is so important. Because obviously if next winter [it] returns, we must have a vaccine by that time.

End quote
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:10 PM

I really want a pizza.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
.. by that time.

End quote

Lets not forget the anti vaccine crowd.
Also, the cocktail supposedly lessens the duration of the infection, it does not prevent one from getting it.
It's a treatment and not a vaccine.
I'd encourage everyone to ferret out the truth rather than looking for what we want to hear.
Doing so has got the world to where it is. I don't think everything has to be a tug-o-war or point counterpoint or fox/cnn battle of wits. We all need good sources of news right now and not fall prey to disseminating info creating false hope of defeating this Chimera.

Dang, pizza sounds good right now!
Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:17 PM

Just reading this thread makes me ill... puke
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/22/20 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
Just reading this thread makes me ill... puke


Pretty typical for Moparts general threads. wrench
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
I really want a pizza.

Even though they’ve locked down IL, carry out is still open. I just went out and picked up a pan pizza at my favorite pizza place. biggrin
I did take my canister of wipes with and wiped my hands and door handle after getting back in the car. And tossed the box after getting home and removing the pizza from it, and hope my precautions will allow me to survive.
It was damn good and have enough leftovers for a meal or two later this week. drool But not “to die for”. drumhit
My favorite Chinese carry out that I order from every couple weeks is in the same strip mall, and was closed with a sign in the window saying closed due to the outbreak. bawling
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 12:27 AM

One big problem with touting potential treatments before they are confirmed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...navirus-treatment/ar-BB11xIIQ?li=BBnbcA1
Posted By: Sniper

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 12:34 AM

One problem with poor journalism

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/f...ic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/

Availability

https://www.drugs.com/availability/generic-plaquenil.html

More hype to gin up fear
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
I really want a pizza.


Ordered a Calzone last night. It was great
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Mastershake340
One big problem with touting potential treatments before they are confirmed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...navirus-treatment/ar-BB11xIIQ?li=BBnbcA1


My opinion is not allowed to be verbalized here but, shout rant realcrazy fan help spank puke
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Mastershake340
One big problem with touting potential treatments before they are confirmed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...navirus-treatment/ar-BB11xIIQ?li=BBnbcA1


My opinion is not allowed to be verbalized here but, shout rant realcrazy fan help spank puke


You must trust the really smart.

Returning to the N95 mask discussion. I checked my shop today, and one of the boxes of N95 masks on the back of the shelf I had thought was a box of 50 is only 20, but still had the price tag on it, $2.95 eek. I do and still do during this downturn do a lot of fiberglass, Carbon fiber, body filler, metal grinding etc

I have other "100" organic masks and the typical nuisance dust masks, which are almost worthless, except I wonder how useful they might be wearing over a N95 mask, as a pre filer to extend a N95 useful life?

I was also thinking about how non medical users could safely extend the private use of non valve N95 masks, based on the earlier suggestion of using 48hrs? of sunlight/UV to disinfect.

I was wondering what full emulsion in Hydrogen peroxide, isopropyl alcohol ( maybe test one with a drop or two added of Tincture of iodine to get some long term virus/microbial benefits?), 10% bleach/water, and/or boiling water would do to the composition of the mask. Even if it degraded it a bit, it could extend its life in this crisis. I would think in all cases keeping the retaining straps above the method chosen, would help to protect them, and not sure the straps are a big hazard item anyway.

I haven't decided yet to "sacrifice" 4? masts to test them out, and I have no way to verify any non visual degradation, nor real effectiveness in sterilizing/disinfecting the masks.

Any suggestions?

PS, I'm all for anchovies
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 01:59 AM

I wouldnt test on your masks.. I talked to my Doc buddy and he said they are worth like gold
right now.. I gave him my last box of the 95s.. I did keep 2 for the wife and I... if needed...
EDIT
I did also dive him a box of non sterile nitrite gloves if he wantd them.. I also do a bunch of carbon fiber
and glass work
wave
Posted By: John Brown

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Mastershake340
One big problem with touting potential treatments before they are confirmed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...navirus-treatment/ar-BB11xIIQ?li=BBnbcA1


My opinion is not allowed to be verbalized here but, shout rant realcrazy fan help spank puke



Something tells me that my opinion might get me a vay-cay too if it was put into print. whistling
Posted By: poorboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 02:05 AM

I just finished eating Pizza, it was great.

I find it a bit amusing that the US government is alarmed at how "fast" the virus appears to be spreading in the US.
Lets see, very few tests until some doctor ordered tests for people he suspected already had the virus. Then, a few weeks after some of the few tests that were ordered showed positive, mass availability of testing appears and they are alarmed to find many people test positive? What exactly did they expect? With first no testing except people already suspected of having the virus, to easily accessible testing, and they find out many people test positive? No fooling? I have 0 medical experience, but even I expected there were probably a lot of people that had not been tested that already had the virus.
But, let those in charge not take advantage of the sudden increase in the number of positive test results. Just look at all the things they can push through that will put a lot of money into a few peoples pockets at the expense of everyone else. In a few short weeks, they have managed to put everyone in the USA, and in most of the world into the care of the world governments. How we all come out on the end of this disaster will depend on who is in charge, and that thought scares me more then this pandemic.

Don't misunderstand me, my wife and I are taking more precautions then we ever did before, which is probable a good thing to some level. I wonder if we, as a country, have gone from one extreme to the other. What I'm saying is, don't let the "current rapid expansion" of the virus distract your watch for those willing and now able to take advantage of the situation. Can you imagine how expensive the "cure drug" for this pandemic could be, once one is found? Probably the best outcome will be if 3 or 4 research facilities find 3 or 4 different cures at about the same time. Then, maybe they can turn all that research towards something like a cure for cancer. Gene
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 02:10 AM

"have gone from one extreme to the other"

Almost ironic, isn't it, in only 4 weeks.

Those that study history will do well to remember our history from 1929 till 1933 and all that entailed.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 02:35 AM

Steve Hilton has a good monologue on his program.... repeated at midnight EST
Posted By: Exit1965

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by mopars4ever
I really want a pizza.


Costco can help with that.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 05:07 AM

Im suprised we have not heard the words "Martial Law" in the mix with all this.

Although the search engines show it a bit, if they do I think its a sticky deal as doesnt it remove alot of the citizens constitutional rights? If so im not feeling fuzzy inside about that.
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by John Brown
Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Mastershake340
One big problem with touting potential treatments before they are confirmed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...navirus-treatment/ar-BB11xIIQ?li=BBnbcA1


My opinion is not allowed to be verbalized here but, shout rant realcrazy fan help spank puke



Something tells me that my opinion might get me a vay-cay too if it was put into print. whistling



Post away, just make sure the true intent of your comments are thinly veiled.
Posted By: RWG75

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 11:50 AM

[align:center][/align]
Originally Posted by srt
[quote=Doc Fiberglass]
I am also curious if sweat houses the native indians of the pacific northwest could be effective in ridding people of this virus.


Last week I looked it up on the website for CDC or WHO. Actually had a different question and I don't read the random stuff posted on random websites. One of those sources had posted some data about culturing viruses for lab study and included some info about viability of the samples. The take away for what I needed is that the thing dies at temps above 50c which is about 132f.

I tried asking google about the typical temperature of an Indian sweat lodge but the best I got was "over 100f".
Posted By: bigdad

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 12:23 PM

People can really be dumb too..

Guy comes in this morning , says .. everyone is sick at home , suppose I will come down with it to now ..
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by partsforsale
Originally Posted by John Brown
Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Mastershake340
One big problem with touting potential treatments before they are confirmed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...navirus-treatment/ar-BB11xIIQ?li=BBnbcA1


My opinion is not allowed to be verbalized here but, shout rant realcrazy fan help spank puke



Something tells me that my opinion might get me a vay-cay too if it was put into print. whistling



Post away, just make sure the true intent of your comments are thinly veiled.


Not sure if "thin" or "thick" is best in this context. work

A related Op ed, true leadership is seldom anything one can willfully acquire, one is born with it. It also seems to mainly rise to the occasion at hand, in the most tumultuous times. It is also seldom self serving.

Pseudo leadership credit given sometimes is really just the manifest of fear from retribution, humiliation, etc, which usually leads figuratively to self implosion. History has many examples. Leadership requires earned trust, and competence, tone is only a superficial quality..

Great leaders are a blessing, never self declared, and often only scattered over time..
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:04 PM

Many are posting thinly veiled comments and it just plain sucks, I could easily say its recess vs vacation time and ones watching the news would know who exactly im talking about in our political world.

Most the jack wagons in our gov. right now seem to have there heads up there ars, on both sides, can we please not do it here?
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:12 PM

Putting one's head anywhere is likely why we are in this current predicament.

The rest of your assumption is very subjective and screams PC as seen thru your eyes, understand others should have the option to disagree, and "sticks and stones may break................." still holds true.

Seems to me, these objections often arise when exerting self control is achieved by others, in that they see sharing a differing thought cannot be done with out clearly resorting to violating "rules", and they get frustrated when others can stay within the lines.

Chances are, anybody on this site that takes a vacation, will return to "RIP" threads of some members here.

This topic is about life and death of people, let me thickly veil this , not s....s, w...s, t.....s, R.........s, D..........s, etc.
Posted By: HemiRick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:29 PM

Let's Hope this guy is right:
Dr thinks it might fade quicker than most think
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:40 PM

I appreciate these threads as a community we can share thoughts and ideas. We are ever barraged by endless replays of soundbites, images and articles that have no basis in reality save for the desired effect of taking away individuals independent thinking.
I encourage my kids and friends to ferret out the source of information and use their grey matter to develop their own opinions.
Ferreting often leads one to see there are many layers to a subject, much like an onion. The outside may look good, but as we peel away the outer layers what do we find. Sometimes all is good, other times it's distorted or even rotten.
With that look at the reality of where we are today as a people. A people made of many different beliefs, and opinions molded by a lifetime of input beginning at birth. We don't get to pick our parents nor much of what the media blasts at us every day in an attempt to remove our independent thoughts. I generally do not watch much tv and always explore information presented by the media. I like to go to the source not the author. Too often researching an author will expose a bias.
My bias is the truth, I'll always behold integrity, liberty sacred and the constitution high.
Let's try to get along, with hopes most will survive with unencumbered freedom.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:53 PM

Has anyone heard how quickly bleach kills this virus?

I have a cocktail of bleach and water in a spray bottle in my car ... probably a 50/50 mix ......not the most pleasant scent but if it works I’m fine with it.

A neighbor has some lavender scented bleach ... I might try that
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by HemiRick


That would be awesome... but Hong Kong started out pretty good, but are having another surge now that they've relaxed the social distancing rules.

I'm not optimistic that this thing will go away until we reach herd immunity, and/or a vaccine is released frown
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by RWG75
[align:center][/align]
Originally Posted by srt
[quote=Doc Fiberglass]
I am also curious if sweat houses the native indians of the pacific northwest could be effective in ridding people of this virus.


Last week I looked it up on the website for CDC or WHO. Actually had a different question and I don't read the random stuff posted on random websites. One of those sources had posted some data about culturing viruses for lab study and included some info about viability of the samples. The take away for what I needed is that the thing dies at temps above 50c which is about 132f.

I tried asking google about the typical temperature of an Indian sweat lodge but the best I got was "over 100f".


WHERE did that quote of me come from ?

I remember posting about being in the condo hot tub but sweat houses ??

And btw ... the hot tub is around 104 to 106 ... PLUS its heavily chlorinated... so that’s safe I hope.

Is everyone taking a HIGHER DOSE of vitamin C ?
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 05:48 PM

Carry on with your babble, some people just cant be reasoned with or reached.

My recess/vacation was a reference to one of your fav ladies in gov who just returned. She tried to make it sound as it wasnt just that with some bs phrase vs vacation. DA. as in DA, not Dumb A... so dont take offense.

Originally Posted by jcc
Putting one's head anywhere is likely why we are in this current predicament.

The rest of your assumption is very subjective and screams PC as seen thru your eyes, understand others should have the option to disagree, and "sticks and stones may break................." still holds true.

Seems to me, these objections often arise when exerting self control is achieved by others, in that they see sharing a differing thought cannot be done with out clearly resorting to violating "rules", and they get frustrated when others can stay within the lines.

Chances are, anybody on this site that takes a vacation, will return to "RIP" threads of some members here.

This topic is about life and death of people, let me thickly veil this , not s....s, w...s, t.....s, R.........s, D..........s, etc.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 05:55 PM

New news from china...

Hmm.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian tweeted, "US CDC admitted some #COVID19 patients were misdiagnosed as flu during the 2019 flu season. 34 million infected & 20,000 died. If #COVID19 began last September, & US has been lack of test ability, how many people would have been infected? US should find out when patient zero appeared."
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
Im suprised we have not heard the words "Martial Law" in the mix with all this.

Although the search engines show it a bit, if they do I think its a sticky deal as doesnt it remove alot of the citizens constitutional rights? If so im not feeling fuzzy inside about that.


Oh it's been tossed around here in the Great White North.

It used to be called The War Measures Act. That sounds all scary so they changed it to The Emergency Act. The sheep will stay calmer now.

In any case it has been discussed by the Government but they announced it wasn't necessary AT THIS TIME.

Veiled threat anyone?

Kevin
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 07:13 PM

Just wondering.. do you get all your info from tweets... that would be one of the last places I would be looking
but thats just me... have a good day
wave
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 07:15 PM

NO wise guy, it was part of a major news story on a major news site.

Try contributing something positive next post.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-coronavirus-america-media-propaganda-war



Attached picture Screenshot_2020-03-23 China uses American media to push coronavirus propaganda as war of words continues.png
Posted By: 67SATisfaction

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 07:29 PM

My lovely wife is a Family Practice MD, entering her 3rd week working 14 hour days here in NY... the situation is not fun.

Here's some thoughts she shared - give people a snapshot of a day in her life..

"So lots of problems with someone who has a cough. It is covid 19, the flu, a cold, allergies, asthma, a smoker, heartburn, congestive heart failure? Who knows? How about someone who has a fever? So many possibilities! So we are screening people over the phone before they come in. Then we are screening them at the front desk and taking their temperature, and asking if they have been exposed to covid or a person under investigation. Then if they pass they can go into a room and we can see them.

What if they have a cough/fever at the front desk? We send the patient home and then talk to them on the phone (and have to figure out: should them be tested for covid? Should they be quarantined? What about keeping them out of work? What about medically treating them for whatever they do have but without being able to examine them?)but now has the front desk staff been exposed? Do they need to be quarantined for 7 to 14 days? Now the front staff is worried about exposing their family to covid. We didn’t even have masks for the front staff until yesterday although now we do.

So let’s say the patient passed screening and the provider is in the room with them. What if they were not honest with the front staff and now say they have a cough? Or they honestly didn’t think about it and now they remember? Now has the provider been exposed and needs to be quarantined for 7 to 14 days, and now can’t work with patients for that time? And the exam room needs to be decontaminated for a few hours. The medical director said that we should be wearing masks for all patients with a cough, but again we didn’t have enough masks until yesterday.

And now the kids. Kids come down with sudden fever and cough all the time, something we routinely see every week in normal circumstances, but now the parent is nervous about Covid? Go back to step one and apply to kids, the same treatment problems, with the added dimension of a freaked out parent, who isn't or can't be clear about the kid's symptoms.

And all these questions come up in various permutations about 50 times a day. And I haven’t even gotten into the decision whether they need/ can be tested...

So actually I think it’s easier to treat covid patients. You KNOW the situation - you have to wear personal protective equipment with them. With the general population who knows?

Yeah. And there are no right answers to a lot of these questions and the guidelines can change every day.

And still taking care of all the regular medical problems but trying to do much of it over the phone which has its challenges.

Sometimes crisis bring out the best in people and sometimes it brings out the worst. Patients are generally lovely as I said before but I had one complain that she had to wait 20 minutes to see me. Really?!"

Cheers,
- Art
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 07:37 PM

The wifes sister just sent a e-mail saying see is now positive for the 19 virus but she is feeling fine for the time
being... she lives in Colorado
wave
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 08:13 PM

I mentioned a while back in this thread, that 2 patients at my mom’s assisted living facility were diagnosed with covid 19. Late last week a 3rd was diagnosed, this one in her independent living wing.
She just forwarded an email from the facility that one patient passed away yesterday. frown angel
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 08:45 PM

The six degrees of separation is closer as time passes. Our large extended family is yet unscathed or undetected for the time being. The way some of them carry on I'm surprised.
Posted By: krautrock

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mastershake340
I mentioned a while back in this thread, that 2 patients at my mom’s assisted living facility were diagnosed with covid 19. Late last week a 3rd was diagnosed, this one in her independent living wing.
She just forwarded an email from the facility that one patient passed away yesterday. frown angel


i saw a news article that said, a place called Chateau Senior in Illinois has 30 residents positive for covid19 and 12 of the staff. so sad.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 10:16 PM

At my mom’s place, they still aren’t testing the residents afaik. She said someone comes to her door in the morning and checks her temperature with one of those no touch forehead devices.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 11:09 PM

Loss of sense of smell alone can be an early sign of COVID-19 infection:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-loss-covid-.html

Sample quote
“ While further research is required, loss of smell, or anosmia, has been reported in as many as one in three patients in South Korea and, in Germany, this figure was as high as two in three patients," says Professor of Otolaryngology (head and neck surgery) at Flinders University.

"An ENT professor in London has reported seeing a dramatic increase in patients with anosmia as their only symptom of COVID-19 infection."
End quote

Maybe sniff your coffee each morning and order a pizza each evening to sniff the cheeses?

Originally Posted by 360view
Not just dry cough and later fever,
early symptoms of COVID-19 are not wanting to eat and the runs.

Sample quote

Nearly half of COVID-19 patients enrolled in the study conducted in the Hubei province of China presented digestive symptoms,
such as diarrhea and anorexia, and cited it as their chief complaint.
The study also reveals that patients with digestive symptoms had a longer gap between the onset of symptoms and hospital admission than patients presenting only respiratory symptoms and were less likely to be cured and discharged than those without digestive symptoms.
End quote

From

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-digestive-symptoms-prominent-covid-patients.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 11:14 PM

Canada is going to run a clinical trial on the older inexpensive generic drug
Colchicine

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-drug-covid-complications.html

Sample quote

Several COVID-19 patients have had severe complications from a surge of activated immune cells in the lungs—known as a "cytokine storm."

In a cytokine storm, the immune system overreacts and damages lung tissue, leading to acute respiratory distress and multi-organ failure.

A team led by Jean-Claude Tardif, director of the Montreal Heart Institute research center and professor of medicine at the University of Montreal, are hoping the drug colchicine will work to moderate the overproduction of immune cells and their activating compounds—called cytokines—in COVID-19 patients.

If it proves to be successful, the drug—
which is already used to treat gout and pericarditis (inflammation of the heart membrane),
and is readily available and inexpensive—could become a key tool in the pandemic fight.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/23/20 11:43 PM

The 100 year old BCG vaccine may have yet another “good side effect”

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-vaccine-bcg-immune-boost-coronavirus.html

Israeli researchers recently reported that BCG vaccine might also reduce the chance of getting Alzheimers:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-tuberculosis-vaccine-lowers-alzheimer-disease.html

BCG vaccine was in the news recently when it was discovered that perhaps it has been given wrong for over 100 years. Giving BCG vaccine in a vein instead of the traditional “under the skin” seems to work much, much better:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-01-tb-vaccine-intravenously-potency.html

Edit:
More on BCG efforts around the world with explanations of how your immune system works:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...el-immune-system-against-new-coronavirus

Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 12:22 AM

Thank you 360view for the link to medical xpress. On the homepage I found an article that I will be talking with my Oncologist at UCSF with hopes of ridding 13 yrs of nerve pain.
Posted By: Satilite73

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 01:29 AM


Oh crap, things just got real here........

https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_009d2812-5893-5023-98e2-36d47e9a6706.html

Coronavirus updates: Galveston County to order shelter in place starting Tuesday evening.

nervous
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
NO wise guy, it was part of a major news story on a major news site.

Try contributing something positive next post.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-coronavirus-america-media-propaganda-war




This article sort of pieces together why the POTUS has a very different tune this afternoon regarding Asian-Americans and very explicitly did not refer to it as the "Chinese Virus".

Interesting.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Satilite73

Oh crap, things just got real here........

https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_009d2812-5893-5023-98e2-36d47e9a6706.html

Coronavirus updates: Galveston County to order shelter in place starting Tuesday evening.

nervous


Yeah.. here in Mich we go on lock down tonight at mid night but I have been for about a week
wave
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Has anyone heard how quickly bleach kills this virus?

I have a cocktail of bleach and water in a spray bottle in my car ... probably a 50/50 mix ......not the most pleasant scent but if it works I’m fine with it.

A neighbor has some lavender scented bleach ... I might try that


Scented bleach is not allowed by by the health dept for use as a sanitizer, and will get a restuarant a critical health violation, and has for decades, keep the plain. Clorox site lists the ratios, depends on if it is plain or concentrated clorox. Pretty sure they said 30 seconds.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:00 AM

.... but this for personal use ! ... is it that the scented isn’t as effective? What’s the reason for the health department directive?
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:30 AM

No idea, pretty sure scented does not say kills 99.9% of everything. Could be nobody had paid to have them tested. I do know clorox commercial gallons are one of only 2 certified to kill corona on the clorox site, it does not say that on the bottles yet.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:33 AM

Cool THX .... but neither of the bleach I have access to is the Clorox brand ..
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:57 AM

doc, read the % of cl on the lable if 5% use 3/4 cup to a gallon of water.
adjust if it's 4 %, by reducing the gallon (128 oz) 20% ( to approx 100 oz)
always add the clorox to the water.
If you can find pool chlorine it's 10 % use 3/4 cup to 2 gallons water.
Keep the mixture in a cool dark place tightly capped.
Don't store it in a spray bottle unless it's for use with caustic materials i.e. chemical resistant.
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:58 AM

They may be fine, go to that brands website and ask, all the same acid I think, just the scent is an impurity.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 11:32 AM

Before there was a medicalxpress.com there was

https://www.eurekalert.org/bysubject/?kw=104&start=30

Medicalxpress is a good site with an emphasis on clear layman’s writing style,
but eurekalert.org usually has information one to two days earlier than medical xpress
with longer articles with more details.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 11:56 AM

Doctor advocates “white scarf” warnings to fellow citizens....

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/23/white-scarf-door-lifesaving-lesson-1918-pandemic/
Posted By: Satilite73

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 12:03 PM


As mentioned earlier, the county I live in goes into lock down at midnight tonight. However, my job is not in the same county and not in lock down. Its also a 'non-essential' job.

Do I just keep going until they get locked down?

In looking at unemployment benefits last night, I am NOT eligible to collect if I find myself unemployed even if due to the virus.

flame
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Satilite73



In looking at unemployment benefits last night, I am NOT eligible to collect if I find myself unemployed even if due to the virus.

flame



That makes no sense. Maybe their protocols have not been updated to include the special circumstances associated with this virus.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 01:47 PM

This subject was just on local TV here(by a lawyer) he stated that you have to go to work until you are ordered
out... otherwise you could be fired
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 01:57 PM

Antibodies being found and sent for manufacture in TN.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...nderbilt-covid-19-antibodies/2899574001/
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 03:21 PM

On the Pandemic Aid being held up in the senate, put those senators that put themselves in self quarantine in protective suites and bring them in to vote. Think outside the box!!!!
Posted By: MONC

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
Antibodies being found and sent for manufacture in TN.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...nderbilt-covid-19-antibodies/2899574001/


Finally, been waiting for someone to do this...
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:12 PM

Greetings from WV. So far so good. I heard one of the service writers at work wife has the virus. I guess I made the right choice. You all stay safe out there.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Greetings from WV. So far so good. I heard one of the service writers at work wife has the virus. I guess I made the right choice. You all stay safe out there.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 06:51 PM

Updated night image showing lights (small image in lower left) with the larger showing cv19 cases. Size of red is more people with cv19 which directly correlates to that size (and concentration of people). We are fortunate to yet have no dx as of this a.m.

Attached picture night 2.jpg
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 08:01 PM

Apparently a study was done on sterilizing N95 masks.
Quote
Stanford researchers confirm N95 masks can be sterilized and reused with virtually no loss of filtration efficiency by leaving in oven for 30 mins at 70C / 158F

Study link

It also says to not soak it in any alcohol or chlorine based liquids, since it removes the static charge in the microfibers.

Found from https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 08:47 PM

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-drugs-fda-covid-.html

Sample quote

But even with rapid government approval, it could take months to develop new drugs from scratch that might be effective against the virus, Sadek explained in a UT Southwestern news release.

That led his team to conduct computer modeling studies on certain drugs already approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, to assess their potential in combating the coronavirus.

The results showed that the most promising drugs included several antiviral drugs— including Darunavir, Nelfinavir, and Saquinavir—and several other types of drugs, including: the ACE inhibitor Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

Another promising candidate is the cholesterol-lowering statin rosuvastatin, which is sold under the brand name Crestor. It's already taken by millions of patients around the world to lower their cholesterol, is safe, inexpensive and readily available, Sadek noted.

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Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 09:30 PM

Observing the government wrestle with this pandemic is much like watching the movie no country for old men
Posted By: ruderunner

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/24/20 11:22 PM

So anyone else here have co workers who are looking forward to a shutdown? I got news yesterday that several of our employees were happy about Ohio going into lockdown.

They wanted to be paid to stay home. We aren't closing.

One did come in and he was worried about the fast spread of the virus, hes in the right age group. He stated we should shutdown because of this and we're putting him in danger by staying open. He said the company was just being greedy.

I pointed out that he has 3 weeks of vacation time and a week of sick days paid, he can stay home if he wants.

Why should I have to use my pto?

Ok, if the company closes, i have to use mine because you're afraid?
Posted By: Satilite73

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Originally Posted by Satilite73



In looking at unemployment benefits last night, I am NOT eligible to collect if I find myself unemployed even if due to the virus.

flame



That makes no sense. Maybe their protocols have not been updated to include the special circumstances associated with this virus.


Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but this is why I said what I did:

"To qualify for unemployment benefits you must have worked for the past 12 months and have at least a minimum amount of wages required by their guidelines."

I was unemployed for almost 9 months of 2019.

And my job is considered essential. Upper management has not been there for at least two weeks because of their kids, or their elderly parent, or.....whatever. But we've been told we can't use our pto and if we're not there for reasons other than being full blown sick, we will be replaced. Period.

Yay. eyes

unemployment article
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Apparently a study was done on sterilizing N95 masks.
Quote
Stanford researchers confirm N95 masks can be sterilized and reused with virtually no loss of filtration efficiency by leaving in oven for 30 mins at 70C / 158F

Study link

It also says to not soak it in any alcohol or chlorine based liquids, since it removes the static charge in the microfibers.

Found from https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/


First I have heard about a "static charge" being part of the 95 mask's methodology.

However that charge eventually has to dissipate over time and likely thru use.

I would think any water trapped, the exhaled breath is rather humid, would absorb a significant amount of anything statically charged, and heating would not replace the static charge that is lost thru burning off the moisture.

And how fast I have no idea, so this idea of gaining extended use maybe mute.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:11 AM

My son in law on the Florida Treasure coast and has a compromised immune system, showed many symptoms and was drive thru tested for Flu and COVID by Dr's orders 8 days ago.

He and his family have still heard of no test results.

He is self quarantined.

Everyone was screaming for "testing", seems like it turned out to be just "sampling". eyes
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:14 AM

Heard on the news today, CDC boarded and inspected and tested the now empty untouched cruise ship passenger quarters of the cruise ship off the Japan coast that had numerous infected COVID patients.

17 days later, they still found live COVID virus in the rooms. eek

I just heard an updated report, they found "genetic material", whatever that means, not "live virus".
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:21 AM

That is not good news.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:23 AM

My daughter and her family live on Florida east coast north of WPB in a nice gated community on the golf course. NY I believe a week ago issued a stay at home order to reduce the spread of COVID while they deal with this crises.

The Fla governor has in the past few days required all air passengers disembarking from NY areas self quarantine if they have arrived in apst two weeks.
No idea how that can be enforced.

So my daughter and family are self quarantined because of her husbands predicament, told me today, they can't even take walk on the sidewalk because of all the families that recently arrived with kids, judging from all the license plates staying with relatives from NY, NJ, Conn, etc.

Florida might be the next NY in this crisis. eek
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:39 AM

Thats too bad. Sucks for the whole east coast.
Posted By: calmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 03:37 AM

Our county (along with 7 neighboring counties) called for shelter-in-place earlier than almost anyone in the US. California's governor followed a couple of days later. We were holed up in our homes, businesses shuttered, watching in horror and amazement at people cramming together for spring break in Florida and continuing life as usual elsewhere. Slowly, other states are making the same moves, but the delay -- even measured in days -- was fatal. I am holed up - have been for a couple of weeks. I don't go out the front door, only relax in the back yard. I stocked up as soon as the news came out of China. I told my kids not to tell their friends because I didn't want their parents to think I was crazy. I've been leaving supplies on my porch for friends who are caught without the basics. I agree that California is a wacky place with some stupid policies, but we got this one right and hope everyone else can follow as quickly as possible.

Attached picture bay area flat.jpg
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
Florida might be the next NY in this crisis. eek


Unfortunately, everywhere is going to be 'the next New York". fan

Though many of the major cities down there have closed down on their own, Florida is bananas for not having ordered people state wide to stay home yet. So many elderly people down there, its awful to think what the "numbers" could look like in the coming weeks. Apparently the Governor based the decision of not going to state-wide lock down on the idea that there are "unknown risks of extended confinement". This is despite the now obvious "known risk" of not enforcing social distancing being death. Makes sense.

Week two of isolation in our house seems to be going OK. We are doing pretty well with food and supplies though at some point soon we are going to need to stock up on a few perishables. Kids have gotten used to home school and in fact, our oldest has surprised us at how well he has adapted to it. My wife keeps saying that she is busier than ever trying to keep up with everything at work. She has been using a program called Zoom for her work meetings but we also used it on Sunday to video chat with our friends and our youngest sees his friends for recess with it. Works well, it helps to see people.

Working on my car a bunch but seems by the time I am able to get out there I'm wiped out from corralling the kids all day. Wife has had endless, hours-long meetings for two days so I have been on solo duty a lot. Its nice to be in the garage by myself though whether I am accomplishing things or not.

We are still seeing groups of our neighbors in close proximity walking by our house. Some are friends who we care about but it's hard to wrap your head around the idea that at this point they are still letting their kids play with other families etc. One of them seemed fairly adamant she would be back to work in the city (NYC) by the 13th. OK!

Today I spoke with someone I know fairly well on the phone who has the virus. He is a lawyer and is often in court in a busy urban area so guess he was at a higher risk of exposure. Didn't get into too much detail and he did not need to be hospitalized but said he was really sick last week, to the point of not being able to return phone calls. (do lawyers ever return calls?) Thankfully he is feeling better now and seems to be through the worst of it. Scary to think that a relatively young (50s) and healthy person would become really sick so fast but that's really what makes this so serious.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by jcc
Florida might be the next NY in this crisis. eek


Unfortunately, everywhere is going to be 'the next New York". fan

.............that's really what makes this so serious.


Might be nice if we could point to at least one municipality and say, "they over reacted".

Another useful quality of leadership beyond the two I have already touched on,"courage", in courage to make the tough responsible decisions.
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by jcc


Another useful quality of leadership beyond the two I have already touched on,"courage", in courage to make the tough responsible decisions.


I'm proud that our leadership has it.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Summit just lowered their graduated discount points I suspect because of a downturn of sales caused by COVID?


FWIW, summit just retracted their last increased discounts. bawling

Guess good times are here again for Summit.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Might be nice if we could point to at least one municipality and say, "they over reacted".

Another useful quality of leadership beyond the two I have already touched on,"courage", in courage to make the tough responsible decisions.



Leadership is exactly that. Sadly, we are seeing the result of what happens when it's been abdicated at the highest levels. tsk

Thankfully there are some actual leaders out there that are taking it upon themselves to put lives ahead of money and/or beliefs.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 03:25 PM

Locally, our county shares a Public Health Official covering a 3 county area. He's recommended and the board of supervisors have adopted some very stringent restrictions that had closed businesses, parks, public areas and gatherings in all three counties. Many activities are prohibited and the result is only 2 dx of cv19 in the three counties thus far. It's noted there have been many tests with negative results. Seems, thus far, people have been smart (ish) and the restrictions implemented have a positive effect on prevention.
Also it should be noted that for nor, statewide efforts have "flattened the curve". California is a large state with many areas concetrated with people. Fortunately, as for the pandemic, large swathes of CA are open space and sparsely populated.
One unfortunate thing is that this past weekend large groups came to these rural areas to "escape" the metro areas. Most were sent home and there is high hopes they took any contamination with them. It's stunts like that that expose an ugly side of society that has the unwarranted effect of perpetuating this malady. Lunacy abounds in the populace and only time will tell just how bad it gets.
I'll be in the group that has absolutely no intention of packing any church or attending any gathering by Easter Sunday.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 05:32 PM

Existing drug tPA may help most severely ill COVID-19 patients,
Say MIT and U of Colorado

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-repurposing-drug-blood-clots-stopgap.html

Sample quote

Three hospitals in Massachusetts and Colorado are developing plans to test this approach in severely ill Covid-19 patients. The drug, a protein called tissue plasminogen activator (tPA), is commonly given to heart attack and stroke victims. The approach is based on emerging data from China and Italy that Covid-19 patients have a profound disorder of blood clotting that is contributing to their respiratory failure.

"If this were to work, which I hope it will, it could potentially be scaled up very quickly, because every hospital already has it in their pharmacy," says Michael Yaffe, a David H. Koch Professor of Science at MIT. "We don't have to make a new drug, and we don't have to do the same kind of testing that you would have to do

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Posted By: Neil

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 07:06 PM

Just tried to buy hand soap for the office at Alberstons and they still don't have any. Big sections of aisles are cleaned out.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 07:18 PM

I dont understand it... why buy so much soap and TP.. are they using these products for something else
that is related to the Corona 19... and they were buying out TP before all this shruggy
wave
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 07:22 PM

While having been in the cardiac icu 3 times for severe PE-s and currently fighting a bad clot in one leg, I need to dig a hole and hide.

I am well stocked with lovinox? Might have 25 or better shots here and a ton of warfarin? I think id up my level a bit if I caught it, but I cant use the clot buster from a prior unrelated issue.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 07:41 PM

anyone self medicating would do well to write on their forearm with a sharpie the meds they are taking should the emt's show up and someone is unresponsive
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 07:47 PM

In the ray of hope department....

The Wall Street Journal in their Opinion section has an article Wednesday by two doctors who lay out a case that COVID-19 is far less deadly than previous estimates, like Korea’s 0.6%.
They make the case that far more people have been infected and felt little or no symptoms.
They crunch numbers that show that the case fatality rate (CFR) might be even less than 0.1%

If this is true the epidemic will end sooner too,
as a large number of
“quietly recovered and now immune”
people will not be passing on the virus to others,
and further slowing an infection rate
that may also being reduced by springtime seasonal high humidity.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by srt
anyone self medicating would do well to write on their forearm with a sharpie the meds they are taking should the emt's show up and someone is unresponsive


I can test my own inr at home and have next to little faith in our emt-s to the hospital director, If id listed to the "experts" id of been dead long ago and my wife would be bed ridden and have a feeding tube because our health care system is so "standardized" what may work for 99 people doesnt always work on the 100th and the system is ok with that.

Dog pile all you want for my comments but before this virus how many her posted over zero progress with issues with there health care provider? Many.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Neil
Just tried to buy hand soap for the office at Alberstons and they still don't have any. Big sections of aisles are cleaned out.


I visited my local Walmart today, and the paper products isle was completely bare of paper product, except it was now filled with single stack large Tupperware storage bins.

Guess Perception is still everything.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 09:04 PM

BE CAREFUL on take out or delivery... the actual food itself .... the wrapping of the product and the bag or box eek
Posted By: Neil

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/25/20 09:20 PM

Governor just told everyone non-essential to stay home so I guess me and my computer will be working from home for the time being....
Posted By: Rhinodart

FCA workers are dying now... - 03/25/20 09:47 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/uaw-confirms-2-members-died-141002938.html
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by 360view
In the ray of hope department....

The Wall Street Journal in their Opinion section has an article Wednesday by two doctors who lay out a case that COVID-19 is far less deadly than previous estimates, like Korea’s 0.6%.
They make the case that far more people have been infected and felt little or no symptoms.
They crunch numbers that show that the case fatality rate (CFR) might be even less than 0.1%

If this is true the epidemic will end sooner too,
as a large number of
“quietly recovered and now immune”
people will not be passing on the virus to others,
and further slowing an infection rate
that may also being reduced by springtime seasonal high humidity.


I have been thinking this as well. I had a cold in late January that had me feeling really wiped out. I rarely ever get colds. It has been years since I had one like that.
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by srt
anyone self medicating would do well to write on their forearm with a sharpie the meds they are taking should the emt's show up and someone is unresponsive



Great advice... anyone on heart meds and blood thinners should carry a list with them. The er doc was so happy my wife kept a daily list when her a#$hole cardiologists would not answer the phone when she was in the er. They have protocols but will adjust if they know what and how much you are taking. He helped her find some new docs and things are pretty good now, getting off the meds slowly. Make the list, could save your life.
Posted By: BloFish

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 06:19 AM

A local bank discovered a teller tested positive for COVO19 last Thursday after returning from a cruise, they only went public with the info today after being outed by social media. Employees were advised to keep silent or face repercussions. flame
Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 06:55 AM

For those interested, Sirius XM has channel 121 for virus tank 24/7 - open for deactivated radios too.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 12:50 PM

Any body know iif the ups pack and ship stores are open and taking items needing packing in order to ship? Does everything have to be boxed up when it comes in?
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Any body know iif the ups pack and ship stores are open and taking items needing packing in order to ship? Does everything have to be boxed up when it comes in?


Ours are still open and considered part of essential businesses. I would call your local one to confirm.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Originally Posted by srt
anyone self medicating would do well to write on their forearm with a sharpie the meds they are taking should the emt's show up and someone is unresponsive



Great advice... anyone on heart meds and blood thinners should carry a list with them. The er doc was so happy my wife kept a daily list when her a#$hole cardiologists would not answer the phone when she was in the er. They have protocols but will adjust if they know what and how much you are taking. He helped her find some new docs and things are pretty good now, getting off the meds slowly. Make the list, could save your life.


My wife has a folder with all my medical records in it and I carry a list of all the meds I take and she
has a copy of them also... the folder came in handy when we were down in Texas for vacation(a couple
of months)... I had a stroke down there
wave
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 03:06 PM

The next things sorely needed are quick and cheap blood tests to find out who has antibodies in their blood that now makes them immune to COVID-19.

British companies are working to bring such tests to market.
Posted By: bigdad

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by DirectSubjection
For those interested, Sirius XM has channel 121 for virus tank 24/7 - open for deactivated radios too.



Light , easy listening
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 03:22 PM

https://spectator.us/half-uk-population-already-coronavirus/
Posted By: moparx

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 03:40 PM

as this dies down eventually, what are the odds of a severe upswing next flue season in the fall ?
beer
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
as this dies down eventually, what are the odds of a severe upswing next flue season in the fall ?

beer


Odds are better IMO that all thermometers sold after COVID will be required to be online models, so any outbreak can be spotted and tracked almost real time.

Sure would have saved a lot of time and likely lives with this pandemic.

I am all about personal privacy (long gone), but I don't think these new thermometers share any personal data other the approx location of the user, not sure.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 04:29 PM

I believe it best to not buy into the predictions and make any lifestyle changes and become unwittingly part of the data set.
Reading news that presents predictions about the virus dying down as the weather warms at this time is hopeful, yet not anything more than a guess. The southern hemisphere may likely be behind the "pandemic curve" because there simply are not as many world wide travelers that are residents of those continents. Until we see a substantial drop in new infections in the northern hemisphere can that hypotheses be proven. A lot about this virus is hypotheses right now other than it's contagious, it's rampant, it's deadly, more so for the infirm, there is no cure or vaccine. Other proven hypotheses deal with how it ts transmitted, etc. To make predictions on how virus behaves over a 12 month cycle may give hope, yet we should not get lulled into a false sense of security.
Posted By: wingman

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Odds are better IMO that all thermometers sold after COVID will be required to be online models, so any outbreak can be spotted and tracked almost real time.

Sure would have saved a lot of time and likely lives with this pandemic.

I am all about personal privacy (long gone), but I don't think these new thermometers share any personal data other the approx location of the user, not sure.


You do realize that just because you have a fever does not mean you have COVID-19, right? Most diseases and infections cause a fever, even the common cold. It just means your body is fighting an infection.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 05:04 PM

An item that is beginning to become a huge issue is the recovery rate is slow. Right now in the US reported are slightly less than 70k dx with cv19, with ~1,100 deaths, ~ 620 cured. There are a lot of people sick at home and in hospitals, a growing number needing respirators and the length of time a patient requires a respirator is up to 3 weeks. There will be more and more people dx and a growing number will need hospitalization and also respirators. These are the facts facing doctors. It's a tragedy that our elected and appointed officials and the press too often grasp and mold the reality of this pandemic to their need. I don't want rose colored glasses and expect facts and truth from those making the news and using the media to play their perversions.

Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by jcc
Odds are better IMO that all thermometers sold after COVID will be required to be online models, so any outbreak can be spotted and tracked almost real time.

Sure would have saved a lot of time and likely lives with this pandemic.

I am all about personal privacy (long gone), but I don't think these new thermometers share any personal data other the approx location of the user, not sure.


You do realize that just because you have a fever does not mean you have COVID-19, right? Most diseases and infections cause a fever, even the common cold. It just means your body is fighting an infection.


Yes I do, and ANYBODY who has a fever right now, needs to be away from me.

Got any better early warning world wide better low cost reliable early warning suggestions?
Posted By: Not_A_Duster

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 06:22 PM

I'm hoping this doesn't contravene the "no politics" rule. if a moderator perceive that it does, please feel free to remove it.

This is a surprising article from a Canadian publication that is generally quite supportive of communist China: Despite the opening paragraph, it doesn't really speak to politics directly, but as I stated above.....

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/when-will-china-be-held-accountable-for-coronavirus/






Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 07:03 PM

I am not yet convinced the “Controlled Voluntary Infection”
described in the below article is a good idea,
but it also should not be dismissed out of hand....

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/2...-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
I am not yet convinced the “Controlled Voluntary Infection”
described in the below article is a good idea,
but it also should not be dismissed out of hand....

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/2...-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/



Or American Shingles is no big thing kinda of thinking? eek

I remember American Chicken pox parties well, I never attended, and never got Chicken Pox or Shingles.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 07:27 PM

Sample quote

Early evidence from Iceland, a country with a very strong organization for wide testing within the population, suggests that as many as 50 percent of infections are almost completely asymptomatic. Most of the rest are relatively minor. In fact, Iceland’s figures, 648 cases and two attributed deaths, give a death rate of 0.3 percent. As population testing becomes more widespread elsewhere in the world, we will find a greater and greater proportion of cases where infections have already occurred and caused only mild effects. In fact, as time goes on, this will become generally truer too, because most infections tend to decrease in virulence as an epidemic progresses.

End quote

From
https://spectator.us/deadly-coronavirus-still-far-clear-covid-19/
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 09:54 PM

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85596

Sample quote

Evidence-Based Prevention

Aggressively identifying and treating people with vitamin D deficiency is one potential strategy to reduce the risk of COVID-19. As outlined in the BMJ review, regularly taking oral vitamin D3 mitigates infection, although the optimal oral dose is debatable. Bolus doses do not appear to provide benefit against infection, possibly through a dysregulation of vitamin D metabolism.

There may be a simple yet effective alternative. Since exposing the whole body to bright sunlight can provide long-lasting and rapid correction of deficiency, this may provide a critical boost to host immune defenses. Lacking definitive research, any risk of exposing the body to sunshine while sheltering in place is clearly outweighed by the risk of COVID-19.
End quote
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/26/20 10:57 PM

Anyone desiring to supplement their vit d should know to take it with their meal containing the most fat. To get into ones system the fitamin needs to bond to fat cells.
It's sobering to think that the US at this time has the most reported infected with the malady.
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by srt

It's sobering to think that the US at this time has the most reported infected with the malady.


The US is testing more, and some of the other countries are suppressing their numbers.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 02:03 AM

" Lacking definitive research, any risk of exposing the body to sunshine while sheltering in place is clearly outweighed by the risk of COVID-19." work

That does not make a clear suggestion which is less risky IMO.

In that the risk of simply walking into the sunshine with not a person in sight, increases one's risk IMO at least an order of magnitude less then the risk of singing on one's balcony with all your neighbors accompanying at night without a mask in sight, and I have yet to hear any objections to that behavior, other then mine.
Posted By: RTSE4ME

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 02:28 AM

There is an IQ required to comprehend long term cause and effect.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/average-iq-by-country/

Attached picture covid19.jpg
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 02:50 AM

"There is an IQ required to comprehend long term cause and effect"

Spit it out, we are screwed.

The Deaths will soon exceed the Dow Jones?
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 04:31 AM

The best way I've heard it is

"For this virus to affect you, it must first FIND you... Hide from it, Stay inside!"
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 04:35 AM

Therefore at about day 10 the south korea plot makes a turn for the better.
What occurred at about day 10 for usa?
Important to keep in mind the bottom index of the graph is not a calendar date, rather days from 100 case dx and is different for each country plotted.
While interesting its not scientific as each country determines their own criteria for if a person has the disease. I also know some areas are not reporting cases either by choice or lack of tests or testing facilities. It would be a shame for anyone to wantonly push reopening areas based on the data that is available at this time.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Therefore at about day 10 the south korea plot makes a turn for the better.
What occurred at about day 10 for usa?
Important to keep in mind the bottom index of the graph is not a calendar date, rather days from 100 case dx and is different for each country plotted.
While interesting its not scientific as each country determines their own criteria for if a person has the disease. I also know some areas are not reporting cases either by choice or lack of tests or testing facilities. It would be a shame for anyone to wantonly push reopening areas based on the data that is available at this time.


Here in the NYC area, there was a bit of good news earlier in the week. Based on modeling and more testing results, there was an expectation to see the number of cases in the city itself to double every two days. However, allegedly due to the increase of restrictive stay-at-home measures, the time spread turned out to be a little over 4 days. Still doubled though!

Its insane how much forceful denial there is out there about this situation. Why? What is there to gain by recklessly ignoring facts? No one gets a reward for blindly going down with a sinking ship.
Posted By: moparx

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
I remember American Chicken pox parties well, I never attended, and never got Chicken Pox or Shingles.


i never attended any "parties" but got chicken pox as a kid. they were not FUN !
as to the vitamin d, i take a 10,000mg dose daily, prescribed by my one doc. have been doing that for years, as well as eat other prescribed vitamins that are supposedly better than the over the counter kind.
i also self inject b12.

anyone remember "Vitamin Flintheart" ? biggrin
beer
Posted By: 71TA

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 02:32 PM

Like the flu it will "find" us all until there's a vaccine. Cant hide from it forever. Then, as all the talking heads on the news channels are saying it will become a choice between possible death from the virus or possible death from starvation and homelessness. I feel slightly fortunate but I cant survive financially for years. I mean how many of us can. I'm lucky I just fixed up a rental house in a stable middle class neighborhood that I own free and clear but it would SUCK to have to hunker down in it forever and burn through the cash we saved for retirement and let our nice house go back to the city/state because we cant pay the property taxes. I know thats worst case but I've always lived but the motto, plan for the worst and hope for the best.

And when/if theres a vaccine, how long will that take to get into the arm of 350 million people? Years? Decades? One doctor said this could be a regular thing every 5-10 years. Some chinse person decides to eat another animal they shouldn't and it starts all over. Did you read what those fools eat? Bats, mongoose like creatures, deer pee pee's, cobra's, etc. One investigative show was showing a glass front retail store that was filled 4ft deep with turtles in a death struggle trying to get to the top of the pile. What savages.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 02:50 PM

"Its insane how much forceful denial there is out there about this situation. Why? What is there to gain by recklessly ignoring facts? No one gets a reward for blindly going down with a sinking ship."

Using the Titanic for the historical lesson, the "gain" is you get a less crowded lifeboat, while the others drown.
Posted By: second 70

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 03:07 PM

Did you see the dumb ass from Missouri that was under quarantine because his daughter was positive who took his other daughter to school for a father daughter dance? Now thanks to him the schools are closed.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 05:49 PM

"What savages."

You have never seen a mass production American chicken factory I assume? work
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 05:53 PM

Pertinent thought of the day?

The world is apparently mainly made up of followers.

Lately we are prodded into very frequent hand washing.

We are scolded to only cough into our elbows.

We are shamed into not shaking hands and that is to be replaced by elbow bumping.

When was the last time anybody expressively washed their elbow?
Posted By: wingman

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by second 70
Did you see the dumb ass from Missouri that was under quarantine because his daughter was positive who took his other daughter to school for a father daughter dance? Now thanks to him the schools are closed.


Um, no, The schools are closed because there are 285 confirmed positive tests from all over the metro area (as of this morning). They didn't all catch it from this one girl. The schools would be closed anyway regardless of what that one clown did.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
"Its insane how much forceful denial there is out there about this situation. Why? What is there to gain by recklessly ignoring facts? No one gets a reward for blindly going down with a sinking ship."

Using the Titanic for the historical lesson, the "gain" is you get a less crowded lifeboat, while the others drown.



Regardless of where it came from, everyone in the world has either already been or is going to be directly affected by this stupid virus because it clearly does not care if you are a tree hugging liberal, bible thumping conservative or rural Chinese peasant.

Those who chose to ignore facts do so at their own peril. up

Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 07:09 PM

Both China and Africa have “wet markets” where wild live or freshly killed animals are sold with little supervision.

SARS disease in 2002 happened when a virus originally in Bats jumped to wild Civet Cats and then to humans in a China wet market.

Around 1890 to 1920 HIV-2 virus jumped from Sooty Mangabey monkeys to humans,
and HIV-1 virus jumped from Chimpanzees to humans in African wet markets.

The wet markets of China and Africa are a danger to everyone on earth.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 08:11 PM

Ahhh, the dynamics of a pandemic. I see Patient "0" is believed to be fingered. I don't feel that knowing who it is, or what immediately happened is going to help anything. There are a lot of things that various peoples of the world feel is responsible for killing people. Even our old cars. There has been things in the past, there are now, including things other than cv19. Lots of people die from all sorts of natural and some made concoctions. Heck tobacco pot and alcohol kill many many more than cv19 will.
What is most important now is to remove this from the grips of politics and place it at the feet of the medical people, making sure they have the tools and equipment to deal with it.
Watching any of the biased news that's available there is all sorts of blame game going on. I really don't care how we got here as much as what we as a people need to do to get the attention back on the problem at hand.
Living in a county with no reported cv19, I sure don't want restrictions lifted. There is no industry here, nor any private business that needs to open iif it has the potential to get anyone sick, or potentially die.
Where's the news on where is the specialized equipment and where is the unidentified miracle drug?
Restore sense and the rest falls in line.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Ahhh, the dynamics of a pandemic. I see Patient "0" is believed to be fingered. I don't feel that knowing who it is, or what immediately happened is going to help anything. There are a lot of things that various peoples of the world feel is responsible for killing people. Even our old cars. There has been things in the past, there are now, including things other than cv19. Lots of people die from all sorts of natural and some made concoctions. Heck tobacco pot and alcohol kill many many more than cv19 will.
What is most important now is to remove this from the grips of politics and place it at the feet of the medical people, making sure they have the tools and equipment to deal with it.
Watching any of the biased news that's available there is all sorts of blame game going on. I really don't care how we got here as much as what we as a people need to do to get the attention back on the problem at hand.
Living in a county with no reported cv19, I sure don't want restrictions lifted. There is no industry here, nor any private business that needs to open iif it has the potential to get anyone sick, or potentially die.
Where's the news on where is the specialized equipment and where is the unidentified miracle drug?
Restore sense and the rest falls in line.


But finding a scape goat often has great use to those who are seeking shelter from criticism, other then that, you are on target. up

That reminds me, I need to go wash my elbows. eyes
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 11:00 PM

Even among very old, most infected with COVID-19 show no symptoms for several days.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85657

Sample quote

About half of residents in a long-term care skilled nursing facility in Washington state had no symptoms of COVID-19 coronavirus infection when they initially tested positive, researchers found.

Following a positive test in a healthcare worker,
facility-wide symptom assessments and testing for 76 residents found that
23 were positive for COVID-19,
and 13 of these residents were asymptomatic.

A week later, 10 of those 13 developed symptoms,
reported Anne Kimball, MD, of the CDC

End quote
Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 11:25 PM

IF I EDIT THIS THREAD ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE OF POLITICS THE THREAD IS GONE ALONG WITH THE OFFENDING MEMBERS! lock
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 11:29 PM

jsta announced ... boating DISTANCING !

FIFTY FEET apart .. eek
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/27/20 11:38 PM

HITTIN this area hard ....

Occupancy rate in motels and hotels in this area last year ? .. 93%

Now ? .... 5-8% eek
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
jsta announced ... boating DISTANCING !

FIFTY FEET apart .. eek


Remember when car following distance was based on distance, like 1 car length for every 10mph, and then they changed to a "3? second rule" ( which I still believe is idiotic)?

Anyway, if the virus remains virulent for 4 hours when airborne, shouldn't the distance rule be, the distance air travels in the ambient wind conditions in say 4 hours?

Its "feel good distance theater for the masses" anyway.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 03:48 AM

Our public health officer stated no boating. Bicycling only and not in any city or state park as they are closed.
So biking on public roads only. Tomorrow morning I can see lots of cars with bike racks cramming into public parking lots and people with and without helmets riding along side cars. While at the same time lakes and reservoirs could easily be utilized by kayakers and canoers. Oh well, seems my early in this post refrence to the albinos emerging may not be too far off. Wait a minute, we need our vitamin deeeeee
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
HITTIN this area hard ....

Occupancy rate in motels and hotels in this area last year ? .. 93%

Now ? .... 5-8% eek


It's that way everywhere. Hotels are empty. Food businesses around here are limited to carryout or delivery only, down 75-90%, not worth opening. Interstate reminds me of the 70s, could drag race on it again so few cars. Looking at plane tickets, cheep. It will take a lot to get it all rolling again.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by partsforsale
[quote=srt]
It's sobering to think that the US at this time has the most reported infected with the malady.


To HAVE stopped (or now STOP now) this from TRAVELING from state-to-state across the entire US; would mean stopping PEOPLE from TRAVELING around to US. Which hasn't happened to date, best I see. NY'ers fleeing out, to who knows where. Mardi-Gras visitors going home, Spring-Breakers', Oversea citizens returning, etc, etc. Welcome to the good-ole USofA, where we can move around freely regardless.

Quote
The US is testing more, and some of the other countries are suppressing their numbers.


I hate when they compare our actions/results with say S.Korea. 350M vs 50M pop. And smaller then say Texas.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 07:00 AM

But some restaurants were doing decent until the FL gov shut them down ...,

Both applebees and Outback gave distancing NEW MEANING .... two empty seats at the bar and AT LEAST one table distance OR BETTER in the dining area.

There has to be a way to do this !
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 07:19 AM



Health depts. are shutting things down till april 30 at least here, people cancelled all big parties and weddings 2 weeks ago, better safe than sorry. It will work out just going to hurt for a while.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 07:23 AM

They shut our county down today on about 10hr notice... decided Fri morning to shut it down at 8pm
Apparently because we went from 11 cases last week to 15 this week....

The result of this wonderful decision...
After days of few people out and about, and store shelves finally beginning to be restocked. (still no TP)
Today's closing order brought EVERYONE out to the stores...

It was like Black Friday at Lowes & Home Depot.... parking lots 100% filled with cars waiting in the lanes.
Glad I didn't need anything there!

Good job with that no warning decision...
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 07:26 AM

I don't believe the issue is the distance. Shoes walk in credit cards get dropped, Picked up, Go home, shoes walk around house. Cat walks on floor and jumps on counter
Think about all the nuances that occur in a restaurant. How often is that towel that wipes down the counter and tables rotated out. Ever see a server hold a glass with fingers gripping the top edge of a glass after they just wiped down the table and handed out the menus that were last washed? Where do we put our silverware after placing the napkin on our lap? How many of us make it a point of washing hands after you place order? By all means toss the paper towel after washing hands and then using it to open the restroom door.
Nurses game me all sorts of literature to read about germ transference in public places and at home prior to stem cell transplant. There are innumerable means germs get to our orifices from some other persons. Oh, make sure wife wipes down her purse after she puts it where baby butts go while shopping. Hopefully prior to when sh drops it on the counter with the grocery bags.
Be super smart people!
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 07:32 AM

Good points ALL ...

But IF these health departments were REALLY SERIOUS... because of all these potential sloppy actions .....the grocery stores should be closed tooooo !

... restaurants and so called non essential stores .... closed until April 30th ? eek
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 01:25 PM

People need to eat
wave
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 01:36 PM

Says the most(?) obese nation on the planet. laugh2
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Good points ALL ...

But IF these health departments were REALLY SERIOUS... because of all these potential sloppy actions .....the grocery stores should be closed tooooo !

... restaurants and so called non essential stores .... closed until April 30th ? eek


One of the many reasons you are not in charge.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 01:42 PM

I dont give a damn what you buy but people need food to survive
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Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
I dont give a damn what you buy but people need food to survive
wave


Yep......in in reality....OTHER people need food so that WE can survive!!! The second food becomes a battle is when we are in pure chaos with people killing (literally) each other on a massive scale.

Air
Water
Food.

Restrict any of these and things get bad, REAL BAD, RIGHT NOW.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 01:49 PM

Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.

Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.

Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes.


That’s a real slippery slope. PANIC. UNHEARD OF HOARDING, BLACKMARKET FOOD SALES.

Inciting panic right now would be a horrific NEXT STEP. Pray we don’t go there.

The irrational TP shortage is a prime example of how ‘delicate’ pun intended, this really is.
Posted By: Superfreak

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 02:39 PM

Have not heard anything about Russia and what their numbers are like.
Posted By: BloFish

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 02:42 PM

Nor will we
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 02:49 PM

from John Hopkins Edu Site this a.m.

Russia
Confirmed: 1,264
Deaths: 4
Recovered: 49
Active: 1,211

Google search also yield many reports of huge hospitals being hastily built by the military and also socisl distancing measures being implemented.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.

Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes.


That’s a real slippery slope. PANIC. UNHEARD OF HOARDING, BLACKMARKET FOOD SALES.

Inciting panic right now would be a horrific NEXT STEP. Pray we don’t go there.

The irrational TP shortage is a prime example of how ‘delicate’ pun intended, this really is.


The pseudo "panic" was because of the lack of vision/altruism of the big box stores ( or officials) to simply limit the sales of 1 package to a customer. The big box stores had no dog in the fight to prevent "panic", their goal is to sell stuff, and make money, being better for them in one week rather then spread out over weeks.

Slopes aren't slippery until you wet them.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.

Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes.


That’s a real slippery slope. PANIC. UNHEARD OF HOARDING, BLACKMARKET FOOD SALES.

Inciting panic right now would be a horrific NEXT STEP. Pray we don’t go there.

The irrational TP shortage is a prime example of how ‘delicate’ pun intended, this really is.


The pseudo "panic" was because of the lack of vision/altruism of the big box stores ( or officials) to simply limit the sales of 1 package to a customer. The big box stores had no dog in the fight to prevent "panic", their goal is to sell stuff, and make money, being better for them in one week rather then spread out over weeks.

Slopes aren't slippery until you wet them.


And you are advocating dumping oil all over the slope. Be careful. I don’t want to live in your version of the US.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 03:46 PM

If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.

And to answer your question then, no.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.

And to answer your question then, no.


To panic people into food hoarding would be one of the worst possible actions that could be taken, if restrictions are required they need to be implemented VERY carefully.

Far better to take steps to bolster the food supply chain, if it falls apart we are screwed, glued, and welded.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.



Kinda like the "odd/even" plate scenario gas rationing during the early 70's oil embargo, double row lines of vehicles for blocks, disabled vehicles out of gas, irate/threatening customers, fist fights, assorted fender benders, attached plates, blatant violators, etc, etc,....I was a gas jockey during those times, wasn't a pretty sight... I don't think we need a repeat of Gov't imposed rationing.

Right now it seems somewhat orderly with the exception of the TP buying/hoarding frenzy (I sure the rest of the world is having a good laugh at us over this) the only sad point in this mess, is the State Gov'ts that allowed large scale gatherings across the countries like parades, spring breaks, beach goings, etc, etc only for the sole purpose of generating $$$$$$$ with no regard for the consequences....

Mike
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.

Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes.

Probably 500-1000 people in our local walmart yesterday & Wife said there were still only 4 checkouts open, out of 16
Another 10 self-checkouts open in the little horseshoe shaped corral down at the one end...
People could have practiced all the "distancing" they want while shopping, but that went right out the window at checkout. eek

And another point... while I think the entire covid-19 thing is overblown given the CDC facts on this years yearly flu stats
week ending 3/21: "CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses,
400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu." (The majority within a 12 week span; killing only 1000 last week)
Note: So far this year 7.4% of ALL DEATHS in the US are from flu stains, with H1N1('09 swine flu) leading the way

I still think it some basic common sense should be applied during a known virus outbreak.
That said... our 3 local Grocery stores all still had their "Salad bars open on until at least Tue of this week" ...
(I hit them all that day, in search of spaghetti & Hand sanitizer... came up empty)
I think if they were serious, they should have ordered salad bars & buffets closed right off the bat. I saw they were closed last night.
Maybe require stores to put certain vegies in bags. Like peppers & tomato's, lemons (covid lives for days on smooth surfaces)
Since people pick up every single one, looking for the right one... same for fresh food in plastic containers, where people check dates.


But above all... if you are going to close down a County & threaten fines,,,
Then give more warning than "A quarantine goes into effect TONIGHT a 8pm) of the same dam day. mad
IF anyone unknowingly had the virus in our area... work shruggy
They likely spread it to hundreds of people yesterday on that piss poor decision.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 05:45 PM

Please do not take this political.

Listening to FOX news, the President just announced he is thinking about quarantining and locking the borders of New York, New Jersey and another state so no travel outside.

I expect mass traffic of New Yorkers panicking and leaving. 2/3's are probably infected and now will be spreading the wealth to neighboring states.

We have become Wuhan China and Milan Italy when their governments 'Announced' days in advance of lock downs. frown
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 05:46 PM

If your complaining about the quarantine.. thats your governors call this is state by state so far
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Posted By: calmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 05:50 PM

The Whole Foods Market near me is opening only every-other register. They limit the number of people in the store at any given time and also limit the number of certain type of items to prevent hoarding. There is one checkout line with enforced social distancing and a director who sends you to the next open register. This seems to be working and has not incited panic. I know this from my neighbor who works there. I haven't left the house in weeks. If I need something, I have it delivered to my porch, decontaminate it, then bring it inside.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:01 PM

Re:cv19 living on (smooth) food products. It's o.k. to wash/wipe down submerge veggies and fruit with a 50/50 mixture of 3% hydrogen peroxide and water. If stronger peroxide is used thin to 1.5% solution.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:27 PM

Fox news has this going, says the first cats tested positive.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/cat-in-belgium-first-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-report
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:51 PM

This is a pretty interesting article, with some genetic research.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002

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Chiu’s analysis shows California’s strict shelter in place efforts appear to be working.

Over half of the 50 SARS-CoV-2 virus genomes his San Francisco-based lab sequenced in the past two weeks are associated with travel from outside the state. Another 30% are associated with health care workers and families of people who have the virus.

“Only 20% are coming from within the community. It’s not circulating widely,” he said.

That’s fantastic news, he said, indicating the virus has not been able to gain a serious foothold because of social distancing.

It's like a wildfire, Chiu said. A few sparks might fly off the fire and land in the grass and start new fires. But if the main fire is doused and its embers stomped out, you can kill off an entire strain. In California, Chiu sees a lot of sparks hitting the ground, most coming from Washington, but they're quickly being put out.

An example was a small cluster of cases in Solano County, northeast of San Francisco. Chiu’s team did a genetic analysis of the virus that infected patients there and found it was most closely related to a strain from China.

At the same time, his lab was sequencing a small cluster of cases in the city of Santa Clara in Silicon Valley. They discovered the patients there had the same strain as those in Solano County. Chiu believes someone in that cluster had contact with a traveler who recently returned from Asia.

“This is probably an example of a spark that began in Santa Clara, may have gone to Solano County but then was halted,” he said.

The virus, he said, can be stopped.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:57 PM

https://youtu.be/4J0d59dd-qM
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
If your complaining about the quarantine.. that's your governors call this is state by state so far
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Yes it is... and said individual has proved to be a moron.
Closed every rest stop in the state right off the bat... actually roped them off.
Trucker's went absolutely nuts & he had to order them re-opened for parking just days later.
Then ordered all the gun shops closed...
One sued the same day & Judges told him he was going to be sued by every single one in the state... so that was reversed 2.
Ordered every school in the State closed, at a time when they only had an issue in Phila & Pitts...
So kids everywhere lost out, even though it took another 2weeks to spread outside the 2 original infected cities.
The original counties closed had 48-72hr notices
The mostly rural Counties closed yesterday... got a whole 10hrs...
And they have an average of less than 20 cases ea, out of the 100's of thousands living in each.

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Please do not take this political.

We have become Wuhan China and Milan Italy when their governments 'Announced' days in advance of lock downs. frown


Think of NYC as a Giant Cruise Ship
... the same people in close quarters every day, just on a larger scale.
And we now know how well things went on the ships.

My little Bro (51) is living in Brooklyn....
And can't leave, because his GF is fighting Cancer and needs to stay close to Sloan Kettering Cancer center.
Getting to and from is going to be a challenge now frown

The last thing she needs is to add Covid into the mix.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
Good vid PBR,

Honetly im spooked to hell.

Ive chronic lung issues and am at the later end of things. If I get it, Im pretty sure im F-ed.

Here is what came from my lungs last night, and I dont have this new virus yet.






Originally Posted by pittsburghracer




Wow!!! This guys explains what is going to kill people very well.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 08:39 PM

Canadian Doctor Matt Strauss


https://spectator.us/herd-immunity-crucial-fight-against-coronavirus/

Sample quote

Some have suggested that using that delay to increase life support capacity
(i.e. sourcing mechanical ventilators)
in hospital intensive care units could help.
Sadly, preliminary (and limited) data suggests that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 patients who go on life support will die. So ‘more ventilators’ does not seem like the game-changer we seek. As a life support specialist, myself, I am greatly chagrined to admit this.
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Germany currently has identified 31,554 active COVID-19 cases, and has had 149 deaths. While in South Korea around 120 of its 9,000 COVID-19 cases have so far ended in death, leading to a crude mortality rate of 1.3 percent. This downward trajectory of the COVID-19 mortality rate has caused the prominent scientist, Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University, to speculate that it may end up being as low as 0.05 percent.
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I am glad that extreme social distancing has been enforced. I do not think that either the young or the old would have taken the pandemic seriously until they saw schools and offices close. But once these measures have proven their effect, and the virus is demonstrably suppressed, public health authorities could consider ratcheting restrictions down in a way that respects demographic vulnerability. Perhaps two weeks from now, healthy people under 40 could return to work provided that they have no vulnerable people in their household. Perhaps a week after that, healthy people aged 40 to 50 could join them, and nurseries could reopen.
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Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
Canadian Doctor Matt Strauss


https://spectator.us/herd-immunity-crucial-fight-against-coronavirus/

Sample quote

Some have suggested that using that delay to increase life support capacity
(i.e. sourcing mechanical ventilators)
in hospital intensive care units could help.
Sadly, preliminary (and limited) data suggests that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 patients who go on life support will die. So ‘more ventilators’ does not seem like the game-changer we seek. As a life support specialist, myself, I am greatly chagrined to admit this.
Snip
Germany currently has identified 31,554 active COVID-19 cases, and has had 149 deaths. While in South Korea around 120 of its 9,000 COVID-19 cases have so far ended in death, leading to a crude mortality rate of 1.3 percent. This downward trajectory of the COVID-19 mortality rate has caused the prominent scientist, Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University, to speculate that it may end up being as low as 0.05 percent.
Snip
I am glad that extreme social distancing has been enforced. I do not think that either the young or the old would have taken the pandemic seriously until they saw schools and offices close. But once these measures have proven their effect, and the virus is demonstrably suppressed, public health authorities could consider ratcheting restrictions down in a way that respects demographic vulnerability. Perhaps two weeks from now, healthy people under 40 could return to work provided that they have no vulnerable people in their household. Perhaps a week after that, healthy people aged 40 to 50 could join them, and nurseries could reopen.
End quote


If you've ever been innervated and placed on a ventilator you will understand that recovery just from that is very hard. I could not talk well for 3 weeks. It felt like I had a knot on my throat.

A friend had so much damage just from the tube his vocal cords got infected and they had to do a tracheostomy. He lost his vocal cords and still breaths thru the stoma, 5 years later.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/28/20 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.

And to answer your question then, no.


To panic people into food hoarding would be one of the worst possible actions that could be taken, if restrictions are required they need to be implemented VERY carefully.

Far better to take steps to bolster the food supply chain, if it falls apart we are screwed, glued, and welded.


IN red, stating the obvious.

Its not FOOD RATIONING that is the issue here, its too many people in one place not far enough apart to be safe, hence my spacing things out possible suggestions.

If people don't get that, and understand that, they will just peaked the curve higher, and mother nature will settle this problem.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
If your complaining about the quarantine.. that's your governors call this is state by state so far
wave

Yes it is... and said individual has proved to be a moron.
Closed every rest stop in the state right off the bat... actually roped them off.
Trucker's went absolutely nuts & he had to order them re-opened for parking just days later.
Then ordered all the gun shops closed...
One sued the same day & Judges told him he was going to be sued by every single one in the state... so that was reversed 2.
Ordered every school in the State closed, at a time when they only had an issue in Phila & Pitts...
So kids everywhere lost out, even though it took another 2weeks to spread outside the 2 original infected cities.
The original counties closed had 48-72hr notices
The mostly rural Counties closed yesterday... got a whole 10hrs...
And they have an average of less than 20 cases ea, out of the 100's of thousands living in each.

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Please do not take this political.

We have become Wuhan China and Milan Italy when their governments 'Announced' days in advance of lock downs. frown


Think of NYC as a Giant Cruise Ship
... the same people in close quarters every day, just on a larger scale.
And we now know how well things went on the ships.

My little Bro (51) is living in Brooklyn....
And can't leave, because his GF is fighting Cancer and needs to stay close to Sloan Kettering Cancer center.
Getting to and from is going to be a challenge now frown

The last thing she needs is to add Covid into the mix.


Without closely studying the reversed proactive decisions made above , I have to give credit that some action in good faith was taken, regardless, rather then doing nothing, spouting personal opinions or simply passing the buck.

Reminds of the water fountain? scene in "one flew over the cuckoos Nest", "at least he tried".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPrfpDDlMX8
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 12:09 AM

My son in law as mentioned awhile back here is immune suppressed and had symptoms and under Dr;s had a COVID test on Monday 3/16.

The hospital called today and said Labquest is real backed on their testing results and they should have results any day now. eek

Did I hear today also the new soon to be released "15 Minute test" will only take 3 days? eyes

My son in law appears to be on the mend and has been quarantined at home under Dr care, the entire time.
Posted By: yorker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:04 AM

Coming soon A new Americka without thee " un's ". I ate Kroger brand " fruit cocktail " in a can the other day. Said product of China, Yummy.
Now you know why me and mate smoke weed all day and eat Cheetos while in our pajamas watching cartoons all day under the lockdown. Moved the mattress to the living room floor of the double wide. We paint our finger and toenails pink, green, and black.
The Telie tubbies toons are really rad.. Vintage Mickey Mouse is cool. Shonen Knife rules.
We laugh so hard we have to wear diapers cause we wee all the time. Outside in the city, nervous millennials roam the street talking and laughing loud. Some have children. They are on wine and MeDikAtioN. They are prevented from group social, eating and drinking, snorting coke, and fornacation. A nervous laugh as the world ends.
What U guy's doing ?
Posted By: 71TA

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


Holy crap. That Dr said what I was already thinking. We aren't getting over this anytime soon. 12-18 months? It's gonna be at least a year till 1) a great many of us get it and it sorts out the weak or 2) there's a vaccine which if its like the current flu or pneumonia vaccines then it'll help but wont put a stop to it. And how long will it take to make and give to not just 330 million people in our country but 6 BILLION people worldwide?

Wife and I went to a local village market in our neighborhood. Kind of an uppity market that always stocked with fancy baked goods, expensive prepared foods and high end liquor and all the usually stuff like a small grocery store - in fact they just tripled their size the past year. MANY of the shelves were bare. There was bread, milk and eggs and meat counter was still stocked well but NO toiletries, no paper products, no peanut butter, no pastas... Spooky. Hows that gonna work for months.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.

And to answer your question then, no.


To panic people into food hoarding would be one of the worst possible actions that could be taken, if restrictions are required they need to be implemented VERY carefully.

Far better to take steps to bolster the food supply chain, if it falls apart we are screwed, glued, and welded.


IN red, stating the obvious.

Its not FOOD RATIONING that is the issue here, its too many people in one place not far enough apart to be safe, hence my spacing things out possible suggestions.

If people don't get that, and understand that, they will just peaked the curve higher, and mother nature will settle this problem.


Where did you get “FOOD RATIONING” (your caps) ??? We are talking about grocery store restrictions. Please stay on-topic.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:21 AM

Went to the local Wally World close to the shop for that traditional Rott chicken and I was surprised!

Well stocked (everything considered) but no paper products ...
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:29 AM

Thinking of planting a larger plot of groceries, starting a clutch of rabbits, getting another big dog be ready to share where we can. I believe that people have not really taken grasp of the reality. For us this means we will do a little more of what we have been and less of the luxuries we did. I wonder how long before am music comes back, maybe even uhf/tv and the horror - land lines. I may be stretching it a bit yet going through this should certainly have people taking stock of what is really important.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 03:02 AM

Some have been ready for a long time, ive neighbors who still have dial up internet. Luckly im on a lightly used state hwy and have fiber because the internet2 runs along this way.

We still use short wave radios, and the slicker one can sent wifi packets a long long way.

Am radio is all I can get here. Maybe 1 fm station.

Its nice to sit and watch the ISS fly over. Ive a garden in my grow box ready to plant the second week of may, laying hens that lay every day, cattle that love to reproduce and alot of big game and pheasants to eat.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
Yes, of course we need food to eat.

But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.

Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes.


When the Arab Oil embargo 1st hit, there was a bad panic. Then after some time it calmed down wrt rationing gas by tag #.
People just "adapted" to a "New" norm at that time, "Gas wasn't plentiful/unlimited 100% of the time".
Had to change their "spoiled" habits of "Cheap Gas-Any Time".
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 11:24 AM

Long read

http://nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/how-genetic-mutations-turned-the-coronavirus-deadly

Sample quote

Bedford is now trying to assist with the next stages in containing and combating the COVID-19 pandemic. He and his team run a project called Nexstrain that tracks multiple pathogens, including flu, tuberculosis, West Nile virus, and now SARS-CoV-2. As of March 20, the phylogenetic tree for SARS-CoV-2 included 855 genome sequences of different strains. The genetic sequences catalogued in Nexstrain and other genomic databases will allow infectious disease specialists to monitor any worrisome changes to the virus.

So far, there is no sign that the virus is becoming any more deadly or infectious—although neither is it becoming any less so. Near-stasis is typical for a new human pathogen. From an evolutionary perspective, SARS-CoV-2 is already doing a great job of reproducing itself. It’s therefore feeling little evolutionary pressure to change. The viruses will just keep doing their thing until they are contained, or until they have killed their hosts.
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Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 11:25 AM

Lot of fear mongering here.

Within 30 days there will be a standardized treatment to limit death outcome for the majority of patients. The fear now is lack of treatment. Once they have a grip on that, patients will be sent home to avoid the over crowding that is seen currently. The only people being tested in the past 2 weeks were extreme cases that were symptomatic and had other health concerns, respiratory/diabetes/etc. Out of those, less than 2% passed. Understand this subset already had significant pre-existing conditions prior. The vasty majority of the country will have no issue with this virus if contracted. If you want to put yourself in a better position to deal with it, get your weight under control, exercise and get some sunlight. The people who aren't concerned, are those that have taken care of themselves over the years. It's not difficult. Don't smoke, limit alcohol, don't overeat and get some form of exercise. While you look at all of the negative outcomes, notice the athletes that have it and have had ZERO side effects? Actors that we know of, ZERO side effects. Try to recognize some of the positive.

It will mutate over the coming years. You'll get a vaccine that may or may not limit the impact, just like the flu is currently. A treatment protocol will be put in place and only the most vulnerable (who should be taking precautions) are likely to have severe impact. Even that group will be an incredibly small percentage. I'm not trying to downplay it, but the level of reaction is based on lack of agreed upon treatment. Once that happens, we need to get back to work. I argue we should be back to work anyway for health adults and hyper isolate the vulnerable populations so wed on't blow up the entire economy.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 12:22 PM

Quote
Within 30 days there will be a standardized treatment to limit death outcome for the majority of patients.


Is there a source for this information?
Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 01:53 PM

No. It's the logical progression of treatment. Thank god the FDA semi got out of the way during this which is allowing doctors to try various treatments. There are doctors trying multiple combinations with success. As those are used in other cities it will become the treatment protocol for those showing symptoms. Will be a combo of Azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine and zinc most likely. Most of this is recycled info from France and Korea.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:15 PM

I agree that within a few weeks there will be treatments that shorten the days of illness from the untreated 21 days to less than maybe 7 days.

The deadly part of COVID-19 are those patients (mostly over age 65 with another medical condition)
who go into ARDS,
and then +80% die even through they are on a ventilator.

Maybe a statin drug like Crestor
or cytokine modifier like Colchicine
or another drug yet unknown
will reduce that +80% death rate.

This has already been the most expensive epidemic of modern times,
and paid for with borrowed money.

When countries eventually default on their debts in the future,
there will be huge health consequences to that.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:34 PM

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-hospitals-snorkel-masks-ease-respirator.html
Posted By: paris401

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:45 PM

WOW... a lot of doctors on this site... at 1st i thought i clicked on the AMA website
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 02:45 PM

Sweden takes a different course....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ockdown-sweden-keeps-calm-and-carries-on

Sample quote
Tegnell argues that because in Sweden there are almost no stay-at-home parents, closing schools would have knocked out at least a quarter of doctors and nurses, crippling the health service. By pushing children out into society, it might even have increased the threat to the elderly, particularly if they were called upon to babysit.

He points out that Sweden has almost no households where the over-70s live with younger adults and children.

Tegnell even questions whether stopping the progress of the virus is desirable. “We are just trying to slow it, because this disease will never go away. If you manage, like South Korea, to get rid of it, even they say that they count on it coming back. Stopping it might even be negative, because you would have a pent-up possible spread of the disease, and then once you open the gates, there is a possibility that there would be an even worse outcome.”

End quote
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by paris401
WOW... a lot of doctors on this site... at 1st i thought i clicked on the AMA website


Amazing isn’t it?
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 04:36 PM

At some point I felt I clicked back on page two of this thread. I believe there is a new understanding nationwide based on science that we're looking at a battle.
I check a resource regularly, Ckick <- that leads me to believe that California's sheltering is making a difference.
California holds approximately 12% of the nations population and has an infection rate of about 4 1/2%, approximately 1/3 the national avarage. The numbers are possibly skewed by fewer/pending test results but not enough to substantially change the %'s. On the three occasions I've ventured out since the stay/distance directives have emerged I have noticed less people about and also more respect of others. On the map on the link it's graphically shown that several counties have no cases, further down the page are graphs that shed hope the curve is flattening here. The tide is not turned, because each day's numbers are added onto the previous day becoming a larger number of sick, soon more and more recoveries will truly bring the curve down. Repeat this across the nation and only then will we recover. Should we not stay the course these numbers will slowly then quickly revert to a steep piling on.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.

And to answer your question then, no.


To panic people into food hoarding would be one of the worst possible actions that could be taken, if restrictions are required they need to be implemented VERY carefully.

Far better to take steps to bolster the food supply chain, if it falls apart we are screwed, glued, and welded.


IN red, stating the obvious.

Its not FOOD RATIONING that is the issue here, its too many people in one place not far enough apart to be safe, hence my spacing things out possible suggestions.

If people don't get that, and understand that, they will just peaked the curve higher, and mother nature will settle this problem.


Where did you get “FOOD RATIONING” (your caps) ??? We are talking about grocery store restrictions. Please stay on-topic.


Correcting "food hoarding" (your words above) is usually accomplished by "rationing" (my word), not by spacing out time wise when everyone can visit a grocery store, equally and fairly.

And Lighten up a bit, this ain't a contest.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
Lot of fear mongering here.

Within 30 days there will be a standardized treatment to limit death outcome for the majority of patients. The fear now is lack of treatment. Once they have a grip on that, patients will be sent home to avoid the over crowding that is seen currently. The only people being tested in the past 2 weeks were extreme cases that were symptomatic and had other health concerns, respiratory/diabetes/etc. Out of those, less than 2% passed. Understand this subset already had significant pre-existing conditions prior. The vasty majority of the country will have no issue with this virus if contracted. If you want to put yourself in a better position to deal with it, get your weight under control, exercise and get some sunlight. The people who aren't concerned, are those that have taken care of themselves over the years. It's not difficult. Don't smoke, limit alcohol, don't overeat and get some form of exercise. While you look at all of the negative outcomes, notice the athletes that have it and have had ZERO side effects? Actors that we know of, ZERO side effects. Try to recognize some of the positive.

It will mutate over the coming years. You'll get a vaccine that may or may not limit the impact, just like the flu is currently. A treatment protocol will be put in place and only the most vulnerable (who should be taking precautions) are likely to have severe impact. Even that group will be an incredibly small percentage. I'm not trying to downplay it, but the level of reaction is based on lack of agreed upon treatment. Once that happens, we need to get back to work. I argue we should be back to work anyway for health adults and hyper isolate the vulnerable populations so wed on't blow up the entire economy.


So all the medical staff that is on the front lines and very concerned, need to relax, lose some weight, get some more exercise and sun, and sit tight for 30 days? eek
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 06:45 PM

Just read reports Dr Fauci feels that 100k to 200k death toll is possible. It's really time that everyone starts thinking as one with the focus being to stop this. If we don't do it ourselves as a people the toll could become unmanageable and steps toward corralling could perhaps require draconian enforcement. All the tit for tat, finger pointing, back tracking, missed opportunities, etc., needs to be water under the bridge. It's time to set course that will reduce, isolate and heal. In my best Monty Python voice "The Records Stuck, The Records Stuck, The Records...." Lets hope we as people can make it reduce before it mutates and prepare for round two. It will be 12 to 18 months before this becomes a black blot on the earths timeline.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 07:53 PM

Michael Baden was on Fox some minutes ago and I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM kind of say that the only way to get the virus IN to where its damaging is breathing it in and getting it into the liungs ...

So if it is EATEN - on food - and doesn’t get into the lungs it’s virtually harmless?
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 08:09 PM

Did Dr Baden surrender his license and Hippocratic Oath when he signed entertainment contracts?
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 08:25 PM

Baden in the ENTERTAINMENT biz ? ... from what I’ve seen of him he’s as serious a MEDICAL GUY as you can get tsk
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 08:49 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/entertainment/joe-diffie-dead-61-coronavirus.amp
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Michael Baden was on Fox some minutes ago and I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM kind of say that the only way to get the virus IN to where its damaging is breathing it in and getting it into the liungs ...

So if it is EATEN - on food - and doesn’t get into the lungs it’s virtually harmless?


In all seriousness, (if that's possible) can you explain how that particular bit of information is A) useful or B) helpful on any level? Take your time, I've got all month!

This is taken directly from the front page of the CDC website which incidentally, anyone with a device connected to the internet can and should access;

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

Jeez,where has the time gone today, I forgot to go down to the bank and lick the ATM buttons. Back in a flash!


panic
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 09:21 PM

YOU need to focus !

The virus needs to get IN THE LUNGS to cause the problems - FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

And if you LICK the ATM keyboard - and STIR UP the virus there - you can then BREATHE IT IN
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 09:27 PM

Ole RUMcharger DID go to the ATM ... to get some of that tasty virus tsk
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Baden in the ENTERTAINMENT biz ? ... from what I’ve seen of him he’s as serious a MEDICAL GUY as you can get tsk

iirc he's the pathologist that been involved in several high profile cases involving investigating dead people cause of death.
I'd think it best to let the experts that investigate infectious diseases figure out how it's transmitted.
I think the sensationalism aspect and demonizing experts at this time can increase infections. There are published reports,vs tv news, that eating hot food (3 min at 148*) is considered safe. I'd beware putting cold or tepid unwashed food in my pie hole.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 09:42 PM

Roger that .., verrry famous pathologist!

I was talking on the phone when he came on ... thought I heard him say that the virus gets into the lungs then expands THEN that blocks the air sacks in the lungs
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
YOU need to focus !

The virus needs to get IN THE LUNGS to cause the problems - FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

And if you LICK the ATM keyboard - and STIR UP the virus there - you can then BREATHE IT IN


What kind of Dr. are you anyway? Maybe one side benefit of breathing all those fiberglass fibers for however many years made your lungs impervious to whatever disease is in your bloodstream, regardless of whether it was eaten, breathed in or absorbed from licking the grab handle in the men's room at Cracker Barrel.

In any event, you're somewhat right but if you read between the lines (I know, it's hard) what I'm saying here is that we (good 'ol US of A {sorry, I know too many parentheses in one post, more coming too}) need to stop looking for someone to wave a magic wand and make this situation go away. No matter how hard you try to find some kernel of "hope" that the virus is not as invincible as it appears to be, things are not going to turn around until EVERYONE (doubters included) does their part to help stop the spread of it.

That means public officials need to lock everything down and start working together for the benefit of the people that elected them into office. But whether they ultimately do their jobs or not, people need to stay home so they're not out there breathing on each other. At least that will make it somewhat safer for those of us who need to go out and lick stuff.
Posted By: Redbird

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:01 PM

If 100,000 souls pass on from this in the US, that is 32 people average in each and every county in the US.

100,000/50 States/62 Counties avg per State in US.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:01 PM

rum Rum RUM ... what kinda Doc am I ?

Kinda SELF EXPLANATORY! You best stop hittin that flask of 151 ... R U M !

But seriously... how this damn V kills people is from the lungs being BLOCKED .. then these poor folks suffocate to death frown

Hence the need for the ventilators
Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:38 PM

Quote
So all the medical staff that is on the front lines and very concerned, need to relax, lose some weight, get some more exercise and sun, and sit tight for 30 days? eek


If that's what you took from my comments, then you fail at reading comprehension.

The reason our population is particularly vulnerable, is half the population is diabetic or pre diabetic. Being fat/obese isn't being address as a pre-existing condition. When they say a healthy adult has it and is on a vent, look at them. In the long term, the things I talked about would be the best preventative. In the mean time, healthy people that aren't fat, don't have the other pre existing conditions or vulnerable partners at home, should be allowed to continue with work.
Posted By: Neil

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:44 PM

Doctor from New York last night on the TV said the main way people are getting it is from touching their unclean hands to their face (eyes, nose, mouth). Don't touch your face after handing the gas pump handle, any money, public door handles, ect.

I went to a gas station last week and they had a sign on the register asking people to use plastic rather than cash if you are able to. Money is very dirty and who knows who's hands have been on it you know?
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:50 PM

Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Neil
Doctor from New York last night on the TV said the main way people are getting it is from touching their unclean hands to their face (eyes, nose, mouth). Don't touch your face after handing the gas pump handle, any money, public door handles, ect.

I went to a gas station last week and they had a sign on the register asking people to use plastic rather than cash if you are able to. Money is very dirty and who knows who's hands have been on it you know?


I’ve been using plastic EVERYWHERE....

Gas pumps ... good point .... I have a spray bottle of water and bleach mix in the car ....

There is NO hand sanitizer ANYWHERE
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
rum Rum RUM ... what kinda Doc am I ?

Kinda SELF EXPLANATORY! You best stop hittin that flask of 151 ... R U M !

But seriously... how this damn V kills people is from the lungs being BLOCKED .. then these poor folks suffocate to death frown

Hence the need for the ventilators


No sweetheart, the lungs don't get "blocked" and people are not suffocating. Clearly your mind was elsewhere during pulmonology class in med school.

In any event, what happens to the lungs during a respiratory illness like this is their function becomes reduced or non-existent, caused by whatever complications result from being infected with a virus that has no cure. If the lungs are sick, so is the person who owns them. This is why you hear so much about people being at more at risk with those nasty pre-existing conditions like emphysema, etc. Capiche?

Also, a ventilator essentially DOES THE BREATHING FOR YOU. I know this because my kid's been on one a bunch of times. "Coming off the vent" is a big deal in the recovery process becuase that means the patient is breathing on their own without help.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 11:02 PM




Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !





Yep and President Trump extended everything till the end of April at least. Better safe than sorry.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !


Now there is a guy that has some expertise with infectious disease!

Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
Incumbent
Assumed office
November 2, 1984
Served Under Presidents: Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !



Easy, I don't see that being a problem. The majority of are cases are either unaccounted for or just getting started. 2 weeks from now, hospitals across the Nation will look like war-zones. frown

Italy's mortality rate is over 10% at this point, seasonal flu is 0.1%.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/29/20 11:13 PM

Good C v program ON NOW ... 60 minutes
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 12:04 AM

Now ... Mark Levin on the Cv and stimulus
Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !



Easy, I don't see that being a problem. The majority of are cases are either unaccounted for or just getting started. 2 weeks from now, hospitals across the Nation will look like war-zones. frown

Italy's mortality rate is over 10% at this point, seasonal flu is 0.1%.


Over 90% of Italy's deaths, according to their own government, had MULTIPLE co-morbidities. If I get shot in the stomach and stung by a bee, saying I got killed by the bee isn't correct. It's not to downplay, but there is nothing to suggest the death rate is anywhere near 10%.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
Quote
So all the medical staff that is on the front lines and very concerned, need to relax, lose some weight, get some more exercise and sun, and sit tight for 30 days? eek


If that's what you took from my comments, then you fail at reading comprehension.

The reason our population is particularly vulnerable, is half the population is diabetic or pre diabetic. Being fat/obese isn't being address as a pre-existing condition. When they say a healthy adult has it and is on a vent, look at them. In the long term, the things I talked about would be the best preventative. In the mean time, healthy people that aren't fat, don't have the other pre existing conditions or vulnerable partners at home, should be allowed to continue with work.


Well then maybe you are calling the kettle black, because all the shortcomings you mentioned and I noted, are effectively uncorrectable in the life cycle of those with or soon to have this virus infection, so effectively meaningless, as I pointed out. Especially in regards to the health care workers who are putting their own safety aside to help others, rather then relaxing, losing some weight, getting more exercise and sun.

Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !



Easy, I don't see that being a problem. The majority of are cases are either unaccounted for or just getting started. 2 weeks from now, hospitals across the Nation will look like war-zones. frown

Italy's mortality rate is over 10% at this point, seasonal flu is 0.1%.


Over 90% of Italy's deaths, according to their own government, had MULTIPLE co-morbidities. If I get shot in the stomach and stung by a bee, saying I got killed by the bee isn't correct. It's not to downplay, but there is nothing to suggest the death rate is anywhere near 10%.


I would expect that Italian adults are not just grossly less healthy than Americans. If you believe that's the case, it seems like optimism bias.

There are plenty of American adults with high blood pressure [33%] , diabetes [13%], cancer [5%], tobacco use, asthma [8%], COPD [7%], obesity [8%]. Just because the Italian's that have passed due to this had pre-existing conditions does not make the argument of it happening in America moot. If having a pre-existing condition increases the probability of death due to COVID and, say, 50% of American adults have a pre-exisitng condition, it doesn't take long to get to a 10% mortality rate...

https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Forms-Reports-and-Other-Resources/preexisting


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Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer



Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !





Yep and President Trump extended everything till the end of April at least. Better safe than sorry.


That is the first time since the first of January your very last sentence is an accurate one for this pandemic.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Baden in the ENTERTAINMENT biz ? ... from what I’ve seen of him he’s as serious a MEDICAL GUY as you can get tsk

iirc he's the pathologist that been involved in several high profile cases involving investigating dead people cause of death.
I'd think it best to let the experts that investigate infectious diseases figure out how it's transmitted.


Like on the "Dream Team" for OJ's defense of Nicole's stabbing death?

Sorry, but not my first choice for unbiased medical opinions.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
rum Rum RUM ... what kinda Doc am I ?

Kinda SELF EXPLANATORY! You best stop hittin that flask of 151 ... R U M !

But seriously... how this damn V kills people is from the lungs being BLOCKED .. then these poor folks suffocate to death frown

Hence the need for the ventilators


No sweetheart, the lungs don't get "blocked" and people are not suffocating. Clearly your mind was elsewhere during pulmonology class in med school.

In any event, what happens to the lungs during a respiratory illness like this is their function becomes reduced or non-existent, caused by whatever complications result from being infected with a virus that has no cure. If the lungs are sick, so is the person who owns them. This is why you hear so much about people being at more at risk with those nasty pre-existing conditions like emphysema, etc. Capiche?

Also, a ventilator essentially DOES THE BREATHING FOR YOU. I know this because my kid's been on one a bunch of times. "Coming off the vent" is a big deal in the recovery process becuase that means the patient is breathing on their own without help.


I disagree, The current thinking seems to be, the virus really likes the lungs as a human petri dish, the body mounts a severe inflammation response, causing the lungs to accumulate an abundance of fluids, which soon leads to pneumonia, and one then declines due to lack of air while their lungs fill with fluids and effectively rot from the pneumonia. Also why shortness of breath is an aerly warning of the serious progression of the virus. The only upside, the patient is often in a drug induced coma ( one of the reasons why visitors are not allowed) while on a ventilator that tries to keep patient alive while body fights the virus, and as seen so far, its not always a good outcome. Sounds like a horrible way to check out. IMO.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Now ... Mark Levin on the Cv and stimulus


.... on again at 11pm EST .... some relevant chat about the entire shutdown eek
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:51 AM

" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.
Posted By: kidmopar

Are YOU "Social Distancing" ? ? ? - 03/30/20 01:52 AM

OK , Are ALL of you "Social Distancing" ? ? ? shruggy
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:54 AM

Oh my ... rum needs to PUT DOWN the 151 tsk

jCc ... sure has been a busy beaver !
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:56 AM

Goody, all valid points. Another thing to consider is is the effects to lungs, previously damaged or not, can leave long lasting effects. This applies to young and old alike. Research in the UK suggests the lungs of coronavirus survivors could return to "apparently normal" after six months with minimal issues — like a weakened ability to exercise — those who go on to develop ARDS could "take as long as 15 years for their lungs to recover," according to FIMC (Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine the UK's professional body for intensive care doctors and practitioners). Surely, that is one research body's study. Others have suggested low oxygen levels experienced in CV19 patients blood causes other effects on organs and brain tissue. Remember it takes many days to a couple weeks to recover.
In it's current form the virus tends to effect infirm people the most. Mutations can occur when there are large numbers of people contracting the disease, and also as the virus begins to taper off from it's peak when it goes through genetic change within itself to proliferate again.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.


FDA recently published guidance that data is showing larger numbers of younger patients show e cigarette use.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by srt
Goody, all valid points. Another thing to consider is is the effects to lungs, previously damaged or not, can leave long lasting effects. This applies to young and old alike. Research in the UK suggests the lungs of coronavirus survivors could return to "apparently normal" after six months with minimal issues — like a weakened ability to exercise — those who go on to develop ARDS could "take as long as 15 years for their lungs to recover," according to FIMC (Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine the UK's professional body for intensive care doctors and practitioners). Surely, that is one research body's study. Others have suggested low oxygen levels experienced in CV19 patients blood causes other effects on organs and brain tissue. Remember it takes many days to a couple weeks to recover.
In it's current form the virus tends to effect infirm people the most. Mutations can occur when there are large numbers of people contracting the disease, and also as the virus begins to taper off from it's peak when it goes through genetic change within itself to proliferate again.


That's the other scary part. ~80% of cases are "mild", meaning they don't require hospitalization. How many of those "mild" cases will have some amount of lasting lung damage? How much more damage will the hospitalized folks have?
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.


You're correct that I did not put the right percentage in there. The figures are from a different link, which I have since somehow lost.

Here's what the WHO says:

Italy Obesity: 58.5% (2016)
United States Obesity: 67.9% (2016)

https://www.who.int/gho/ncd/risk_factors/overweight/en/
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 02:19 AM

I’ll betcha that Baden interview is in the net somewhere....

But I’ll also bet that Fauci does respect what Baden says and visa versa ....

AND YEAH .... Baden was on the Dream Team but not to GAME the trial like some did.

And to the ATM LICKER ... if your lung functions SHUT DOWN.... you DO suffocate.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
...But I’ll also bet that Fauci does respect what Baden says and visa versa ....

Perhaps much like Engineers and Architects
I rather doubt they apply the principals of medicine in the same vein and the respect would be applied to the field they specialize.
One need only look at their respective audience. One it's a Jury or TV Audience, the other the public (their boss).
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 03:24 AM

IMHO, the next Nobel Peace Prize needs to go to ALL the front line care givers WORLDWIDE.

I think I know one person that thinks he should get it but I'll reserve my opinion on that.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
...But I’ll also bet that Fauci does respect what Baden says and visa versa ....

Perhaps much like Engineers and Architects
I rather doubt they apply the principals of medicine in the same vein and the respect would be applied to the field they specialize.
One need only look at their respective audience. One it's a Jury or TV Audience, the other the public (their boss).


I didn’t hear this from the Baden interview but how many autopsies do you think he’s done in a Cv death in the past month ? I’ll bet a few.

Remember his job is determining cause of death in THOUSANDS of cases !

BOTH of these guys along with that female Dr on the Cv team ... they sure sound like a competent group to me up

Something else I saw that KILLED the narrative of many networks... was Fauci proudly saying that Trump has not even COME CLOSE to overruling him
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 04:38 AM

I'm happy to report you and I think differently. I doubt the ol' doc has done a single autopsy, nor smelled formaldehyde for a looooooog time. He looks at police reports, photographs, and puts his clients first. I do not think he has your or my interests in mind during his presentations.
It's good that Dr. Fauci has the attention of people and can present facts, as sobering as they are. Let's let this play out and not add value to what's happening. We can't change anything and can only heed warnings.
Let's hope many of us will be here in a few months. On another site I peruse there are a few that have been touched by this virus in their inner family circle. Let's hope that that same does not happen here.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 04:56 AM

Well sORRY rt ..... you should think DIFF and be righter more often - tsk grin

I’ll bet Baden has done some ! I’m going to TRY and track that info down !!

And as far as SOME HERE ....there are a few that you SHOULD say STAY SAFE every hour of the day !
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 05:09 AM

The Doc has IT DONE ... waiting a reply ....

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Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by jcc
" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.

You're correct that I did not put the right percentage in there. The figures are from a different link, which I have since somehow lost.

Here's what the WHO says:

Italy Obesity: 58.5% (2016)
United States Obesity: 67.9% (2016)

https://www.who.int/gho/ncd/risk_factors/overweight/en/

Obesity isn't the main factor, as far as why Italy infection rate & mortality is so high.
They've been saying from the start, that Italy has an older population that the US... especially in the infected regions. They also still enjoy having those large weekend family gatherings (like I remember as a kid)... that aren't as prevalent in the US anymore. Toss in the double tap cheek kissing, & the fact that in Jan a lot of Chinese from Wuhan flew into Italy... (Chinese have a lot of fashion operations in Italy... they want to use a "Made in Italy" label) It's little wonder that it spread quickly, as people there went about there normal routine for weeks, before they even realized it was in the country. With the exception of the large cities, the US has a lot more wide open spaces, with more of the population living further apart. I can't even see my neighbors, & I'm less than 3miles from the edge of a city.

Of course I still think some of it spread via the mail here in the US.
When it 1st hit our State... it slowly started spreading outwards from Phila & Pittsburgh
But jumped to Harrisburg, right in the middle of the State within just a few days.
Why Harrisburg.... work
Because a few years ago they decided to hub nearly all of the States mail into Harrisburg every night.
If I mail a letter to my neighbor,,,
It goes from my box to the York PO, then to Harrisburg PO, then back to York PO & finally into my neighbors mailbox.
They no longer separate out local mail at local PO. (Except a few small ones that will still do it if you drop it off at their office)
FedEx & "UPS also have big operations in Harrisburg, next to the Airport..
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:38 AM

Let us all try extra hard to be tolerant and kind to one another for a few months.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:49 AM

Discussion of when to ease restrictions

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/29...ible-paths-to-end-coronavirus-lockdowns/

Sample quote

Some of the recommendations from Gottlieb and Rivers could be easier to put in place. They suggest, for instance, that the public should be urged to start wearing fabric masks in public — not paper surgical masks that are already in short supply in hospitals, but masks that could be made at home or bought online.

“We did not and would not recommend the use of proper personal protective equipment” for the public,” Rivers said. But she noted that because people can transmit SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, before they develop symptoms, having them wear masks when they are out in public might slow spread of the disease.

“We don’t think they’re going to be very effective at keeping healthy people healthy, but what they would be better at is preventing people who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic from spreading. They’re more useful for source control,” she said.
End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 12:17 PM

The former Governor of Kansas is a doctor now treating COVID-19 patients. On page A19 of Monday's Wall Street Journal he reports that the combination of Hydroxy-chloroquine and azithromycin seems to help his patients.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 12:53 PM

About 20% have 2 different viruses at the same time.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-patients-infected-respiratory-viruses.html

Sample quote

Brown and his colleagues analyzed 562 people recently tested for COVID-19 at Stanford Health Care's Marc and Laura Andreessen Emergency Department. Forty-nine of those people tested positive for infection with SARS-CoV-2.

Of the 562 people, 517 were also tested for the presence of other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza A and B, respiratory syncytial virus, rhinovirus, adenovirus and several types of pneumonia. One hundred and twenty seven received a positive result for one of these other respiratory viruses.

Of the people tested for both SARS-CoV-2 and other respiratory viruses,
eleven people—or about 22% of the 49 confirmed COVID-19 cases
and 8.7% of the 127 people with other respiratory viruses—were found to be co-infected with both kinds of viruses.
End quote
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Oh my ... rum needs to PUT DOWN the 151 tsk

OK, I stand corrected. Perhaps I live too far north to know but I've personally never heard lung disease described as a blockage and/or suffocation. Suppose the lack of oxygen feels like being suffocated? Thankfully I wouldn't know.

I'll admit to not being totally up on all the modern graybeard malady nomenclature and did not realize all those pay-for-your-bad-habits-later diseases have been lumped into a happy acronym. Blocked did not register with me at all but there it is right in the title; Chronic OBSTRUCTIVE Pulmonary Disease, which apparently now includes emphysema. Who knew.

Either way, we can all agree that if you got some form of lung disease already and get this COVID-19 deal you're up Ye Olde Creek without a paddle.

It's hard to be a pedantic know-it-all sometimes. Every once in a while you take one on the chin and have to go look stuff up.

We now return to our regularly scheduled communicable disease banter.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 02:11 PM

Hey, we all are equally ignorant on the subject, just some more then others, and most here are here to learn something IMO, and I do everyday.

Having my written comments peer reviewed are useful, not always agreed with, but read none the less.


PS to be clear, I define "ignorant" as lack of knowledge, "stupidity" has a different meaning, and is of little use in discussions, its often inflammatory/escalating and normally not a personal choice, IMO.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 04:42 PM

Anti-viral drugs being looked at

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-coronavirus-antivirals-important-vaccine.html
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 05:02 PM

Pa cases up 693 in one day
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 06:50 PM

Times are surreal.

Today, with deaths just above 2,000, this is first time top officials have announced the COVID deaths could reach in the US 200,000 to 100,000 deaths, and if kept to 100K, "that would be a very good job".


And the stock market is up 500+ points.


We have truly lost our way. bawling

I thought human life was valued higher.
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 07:07 PM

It is a good job compared to china, where, although "official" deaths are 16,000 eyes Unofficially, there are 21 million less cell phones in that country (every chinese is required to carry a cell phone). So, as mentioned, it is a good job.........anyway, sorry to interrupt, back to your agenda..........
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Times are surreal.

Today, with deaths just above 2,000, this is first time top officials have announced the COVID deaths could reach in the US 200,000 to 100,000 deaths, and if kept to 100K, "that would be a very good job".

And the stock market is up 500+ points.

We have truly lost our way. bawling

I thought human life was valued higher.

In context...
That response was in reference to whether or not he thought we were going to see the 2.2million deaths some of the doom&gloom say'ers were predicting.

Where it ends up we will know in a few years... but hopefully it is much lower.
Just like all the early predictions of death and destruction, were way off the mark for SARS & Swine Flu(h1n1)
That latter has continued to kill more & more people every yr since the '09 pandemic... but no one cares anymore.

Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Times are surreal. .... the stock market is up 500+ points.....

You chose the word I've been using since this started and the gyrations began. This all seems more like a movie script.
In the old days stake holders would seed the claim when they were getting ready to sell. I don't know how many more bumps will be in the road before all the oil leaks from the shocks. The oil can is empty and the buzzards are gathering.
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by jcc
Times are surreal.

Today, with deaths just above 2,000, this is first time top officials have announced the COVID deaths could reach in the US 200,000 to 100,000 deaths, and if kept to 100K, "that would be a very good job".

And the stock market is up 500+ points.

We have truly lost our way. bawling

I thought human life was valued higher.

In context...
That response was in reference to whether or not he thought we were going to see the 2.2million deaths some of the doom&gloom say'ers were predicting.



I guess if one is a "numbers guy" its a good job..

What next, there were only 5000 lynchings, or only 35,000 traffic deaths, only 6,000,000 gassings, etc?

These are people, some really good folk, with families, that die a horrible death, often all alone, etc

I don't hear any sincere "caring", just "as long a it doesn't effect me" thinking.

We know one definitive way to stop this in its tracks, but The DJ and everybody's wallet is apparently more important.

Prepare to explain this in-action to your maker, sometime in the future, or what a "good job" you did.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 07:47 PM

The 2.2 million still applies if we decide to do nothing, and go back to business as normal and treat it like the flu.

Honestly, I think Fauci knows the total will be more than 100-200k, he's just warming the country up to the idea frown
Posted By: RoadRunnerLuva

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by jcc
Times are surreal.

Today, with deaths just above 2,000, this is first time top officials have announced the COVID deaths could reach in the US 200,000 to 100,000 deaths, and if kept to 100K, "that would be a very good job".

And the stock market is up 500+ points.

We have truly lost our way. bawling

I thought human life was valued higher.

In context...
That response was in reference to whether or not he thought we were going to see the 2.2million deaths some of the doom&gloom say'ers were predicting.



I guess if one is a "numbers guy" its a good job..

What next, there were only 5000 lynchings, or only 35,000 traffic deaths, only 6,000,000 gassings, etc?

These are people, some really good folk, with families, that die a horrible death, often all alone, etc

I don't hear any sincere "caring", just "as long a it doesn't effect me" thinking.

We know one definitive way to stop this in its tracks, but The DJ and everybody's wallet is apparently more important.

Prepare to explain this in-action to your maker, sometime in the future, or what a "good job" you did.




All I'll say is...shame shame shame to a number of certain folks out there, they will pay.....in the end. tsk
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by jcc
Times are surreal.

Today, with deaths just above 2,000, this is first time top officials have announced the COVID deaths could reach in the US 200,000 to 100,000 deaths, and if kept to 100K, "that would be a very good job".

And the stock market is up 500+ points.

We have truly lost our way. bawling

I thought human life was valued higher.

In context...
That response was in reference to whether or not he thought we were going to see the 2.2million deaths some of the doom&gloom say'ers were predicting.



I guess if one is a "numbers guy" its a good job..

What next, there were only 5000 lynchings, or only 35,000 traffic deaths, only 6,000,000 gassings, etc?

These are people, some really good folk, with families, that die a horrible death, often all alone, etc

I don't hear any sincere "caring", just "as long a it doesn't effect me" thinking.

We know one definitive way to stop this in its tracks, but The DJ and everybody's wallet is apparently more important.

Prepare to explain this in-action to your maker, sometime in the future, or what a "good job" you did.

so what about all the good folks dying from the flu every year? shruggy
24,000 of them in the US so far this year... 80,000 a few years ago during a big spike.
Or the MILLIONS that are never even given the chance to be Born?

I don't think the Doc... was looking at it as "doing a good job"....
He was looking at it as "Trying to tone down the sensationalism & panic" being tossed out by some in the media
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 08:30 PM

The only way some folk will will ever learn is if it smacks them in the forehead and yells "Wake the phuck up". It may take one of their love one getting hit by this virus to understand that this is "NO JOKE".
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
Hey, we all are equally ignorant on the subject, just some more then others, and most here are here to learn something IMO, and I do everyday.

Having my written comments peer reviewed are useful, not always agreed with, but read none the less.


PS to be clear, I define "ignorant" as lack of knowledge, "stupidity" has a different meaning, and is of little use in discussions, its often inflammatory/escalating and normally not a personal choice, IMO.


x 999 ... let’s just all try to be as constructive as possible with comments and ideas up

Oh ... I heard from someone at the Dr Baden site ... they/he said ... not retired. I would imagine he gets a bunch of emails so a short response like that I don’t consider curt or rude. I did ask in return if he participated in any autopsy of a virus death ... have yet to hear back.

I’m wondering if most of the immunity FIGHT is going on in the lungs .... MAYBE they should be looking into meds that could be INHALED??

Posted By: paris401

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Originally Posted by jcc
Hey, we all are equally ignorant on the subject, just some more then others, and most here are here to learn something IMO, and I do everyday.

Having my written comments peer reviewed are useful, not always agreed with, but read none the less.
PS to be clear, I define "ignorant" as lack of knowledge, "stupidity" has a different meaning, and is of little use in discussions, its often inflammatory/escalating and normally not a personal choice, IMO.

x 999 ... let’s just all try to be as constructive as possible with comments and ideas up
Oh ... I heard from someone at the Dr Baden site ... they/he said ... not retired. I would imagine he gets a bunch of emails so a short response like that I don’t consider curt or rude. I did ask in return if he participated in any autopsy of a virus death ... have yet to hear back.
I’m wondering if most of the immunity FIGHT is going on in the lungs .... MAYBE they should be looking into meds that could be INHALED??


i missed that post- what university did u get your med degree at??????
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:03 PM

Focus FRENCHY .... open your eyes and read the wise-azz post that asked THAT some time ago ....
Posted By: paris401

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Focus FRENCHY .... open your eyes and read the wise-azz post that asked THAT some time ago ....


i think you should get into your valiant... and cruise around [censored]
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:10 PM

Take a hike ... DORK ... down
Posted By: fullonmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:36 PM

Apparently the Spanish Flu (nothing to do with Spain) was mostly spread by returning troops huddled up in troop ships and in huge army camps all over Europe waiting to return home, plus with poor diets and conditions immune systems were affected.
Posted By: fullonmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by jcc
Did I hear correctly the being passed paid sick leave act exempts companies with over 500 workers? eek

looks like it: Bill <- Click Unless ammended

Re the 1918 Pandemic there was a lot of unintentional social distancing with few cars, few roads and thoroughfares, lots of farms and relatively small population compared with today.


Apparently the Spanish Flu (nothing to do with Spain) was mostly spread by returning troops huddled up in troop ships and in huge army camps all over Europe waiting to return home, plus with poor diets and conditions immune systems were affected.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:51 PM

Nat'l Institute of Health <- Click
the above is a link to a page regularly updated with research info (not news stories). It takes some reading and also following links for those inclined to find facts.
The below Link : is to the agency headed by Dr Fauci: click -> Nat'l Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
There is a LOT of information and biased reporting going on. I find it good to research and develop my opinion from the source, others may too. I've bookmarked those sites and check them occasionally.
dOC F - I believe arbuterol (sp?) is prescribed to people first dx with the virus. It's an inhaler and it only helps open up the lung passageways. The medical professionals work quietly in their labs coming up with treatments and vaccinations. I do not believe there is, or may ever be, "a cure" only treatments to help with symptoms and hopefully some day a vaccine that will help people make antibodies that prevent "catching" th virus. Much of this info is in the first part of the thread.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by fullonmopar
Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by jcc
Did I hear correctly the being passed paid sick leave act exempts companies with over 500 workers? eek

looks like it: Bill <- Click Unless ammended

Re the 1918 Pandemic there was a lot of unintentional social distancing with few cars, few roads and thoroughfares, lots of farms and relatively small population compared with today.


Apparently the Spanish Flu (nothing to do with Spain) was mostly spread by returning troops huddled up in troop ships and in huge army camps all over Europe waiting to return home, plus with poor diets and conditions immune systems were affected.


And yet to spread to the far corners of the Earth, including remote Alaskan Eskimo villages that didn’t have ANYBODY COME IN OR OUT. Village didn’t even have migratory birds. Source...”Flu” by Gina Kolata. It’s spread is not understood, to this day.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/30/20 11:03 PM

What was considered a good diet in 1918?
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by paris401
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Originally Posted by jcc
Hey, we all are equally ignorant on the subject, just some more then others, and most here are here to learn something IMO, and I do everyday.

Having my written comments peer reviewed are useful, not always agreed with, but read none the less.
PS to be clear, I define "ignorant" as lack of knowledge, "stupidity" has a different meaning, and is of little use in discussions, its often inflammatory/escalating and normally not a personal choice, IMO.

x 999 ... let’s just all try to be as constructive as possible with comments and ideas up
Oh ... I heard from someone at the Dr Baden site ... they/he said ... not retired. I would imagine he gets a bunch of emails so a short response like that I don’t consider curt or rude. I did ask in return if he participated in any autopsy of a virus death ... have yet to hear back.
I’m wondering if most of the immunity FIGHT is going on in the lungs .... MAYBE they should be looking into meds that could be INHALED??


i missed that post- what university did u get your med degree at??????


You missed the point, its doesn't require a degree of at any level to have bias, and integrity is also not a requirement. Defending OJ when not a lawyer, says to me a person has/had a proven selective morality, that money and/or fame can influence, IMO
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by fullonmopar
Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by jcc
Did I hear correctly the being passed paid sick leave act exempts companies with over 500 workers? eek

looks like it: Bill <- Click Unless ammended

Re the 1918 Pandemic there was a lot of unintentional social distancing with few cars, few roads and thoroughfares, lots of farms and relatively small population compared with today.


Apparently the Spanish Flu (nothing to do with Spain) was mostly spread by returning troops huddled up in troop ships and in huge army camps all over Europe waiting to return home, plus with poor diets and conditions immune systems were affected.

And all the time spent elbow to elbow bleeding all over each other in the trenches...
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 01:11 AM

Anybody see the connection here, between troop ships and cruise ships? work
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
Anybody see the connection here, between troop ships and cruise ships? work


And nursing homes...

Lots of people in daily continuous close proximity to each other and in the case of a nursing home, lots of potential for contamination from outside the group to stew there.

Kevin
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 08:04 AM

Quote
The only way some folk will will ever learn is if it smacks them in the forehead and yells "Wake the phuck up". It may take one of their love one getting hit by this virus to understand that this is "NO JOKE".
Some people are just not capable of that. A chemical imbalance prevents them from understanding.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 12:07 PM

War bond rallies.
War Bond Parades.
Special War Bond movies followed by sales pitches.
Even in modest sized towns, members of the CPI (Committee for Public Instruction) visiting homes at night ganging up on individuals asking why they had not yet bought a War Bond?

When thinking about the spread of the 1918 influenza in the USA do not leave out War Bonds.

President Wilson was advised by his own MD of the danger of bring masses of people together to sell them War Bonds during the Influenza. Wilson did it anyway.

If Wilson had simply raised taxes to fund the war this would not have happened.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 12:09 PM

CDC director’s thoughts:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...o-come-this-virus-is-going-to-be-with-us

Sample quote

Let's take transmission...this virus does have the ability to transmit far easier than flu. It's probably now about three times as infectious as flu.

One of the [pieces of] information that we have pretty much confirmed now is that a significant number of individuals that are infected actually remain asymptomatic. That may be as many as 25%. That's important, because now you have individuals that may not have any symptoms that can contribute to transmission, and we have learned that in fact they do contribute to transmission.

And finally, of those of us that get symptomatic, it appears that we're shedding significant virus in our oropharyngeal compartment, probably up to 48 hours before we show symptoms. This helps explain how rapidly this virus continues to spread across the country, because we have asymptomatic transmitters, and we have individuals who are transmitting 48 hours before they become symptomatic.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 12:10 PM

Scares me.....

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sa...s-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html

Another article

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 12:17 PM

Reasons why the elderly, and particularly elderly men, are having trouble fighting this virus:

https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/03/30/coronavirus-covid-19-elderly

Sample quote

Our immune systems have two sets of defenses against viruses and other pathogens: a first-line army of cells, called leukocytes, that attack invading microbes within minutes to hours, and a second-line force of precisely targeted antibodies and T cells that surge to the battle front as late as several days after.

With advancing age, the body has fewer T cells, which produce virus-fighting chemicals. By puberty, the thymus is producing tenfold fewer T cells than it did in childhood, Nikolich-Zugich said; by age 40 or 50, there is another tenfold drop.

That leaves the body depleted of T cells that have not yet been programmed to defend against a specific microbe. Fewer such “naïve T cells” means fewer able to be deployed against a never-before-seen microbe.

“We just have fewer soldiers dealing with attackers we’ve never experienced before, like the new coronavirus,” Nikolich-Zugich said. (The body does retain the “memory T cells” that learned to fight attackers in youth, which is why immunization against smallpox and many other viral disease lasts decades.)

Another age-related change keeps T cells away from battle. Even before T cells enter the fray, other cells recognize invaders and dispatch natural killer cells and other soldiers to destroy as many as possible in the first few hours after infection. Then these same front-line cells literally show the virus to T cells, saying in essence, this is the enemy; produce virus-killing compounds.

“But this communication doesn’t work as well as we get older,” Nikolich-Zugich said. The instructor cells grow scarce and start to do the biological equivalent of mumbling. T cells therefore respond too late and too little.

Antibodies are made by B cells, and their decline is less precipitous than the fall-off in T cells. But old B cells, like old factories, can’t produce as much of their product — antibodies — as when they were new. Specifically, they have lower levels of the molecule that rearranges their genome so as to produce never-before-seen antibodies to a never-before-seen virus.

As if old age weren’t cruel enough, it brings one more change to the immune system: It slows down how quickly natural killer cells and other first responders hand off the defense to activated T cells and B cells. “This initial response remains in overdrive,” Nikolich-Zugich said. The core of that response is a fusillade of inflammatory molecules called cytokines.

That fusillade attacks the lungs and causes acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), a common cause of Covid-19 deaths.

The cytokine barrage varies somewhat by sex, however. In a study published last month, Kuchel and colleagues showed that older men had, on average, more cytokine-producing cells than older women, who had more and better B cells and T cells.

That might explain the apparent, but still tentative, sex-based differences in the Covid-19 epidemic, with elderly men generally faring worse than elderly women. Hobbled B and T cells leave the body with fewer anti-coronavirus defenses.

End quote
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by 360view


If Wilson had simply raised taxes to fund the war this would not have happened.


Yea, that would be as popular today as health care for all is today.

Or if you can't pay, you die.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 01:37 PM

Interesting evolution:

at first reported:
don't wear masks, they don't protect
we need masks to protect health workers

now reported and may be implemented:
wear masks when going out, they help by reducing the droplets exhaled by you after you are infected and not yet symtomatic
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 02:05 PM

Blind leading the blind.

We are all going to die. runaway

Nobody has yet to address the lack of the real isolation of the valve style masks.

But then, people were still getting on cruise ships in the first week of March, and now complaining no ports will disembark their infected passengers in the US.

Go find a private cruise ship island in the Bahamas to hang out on, with a supply of body bags.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 02:17 PM

% who will need to go to the hospital by age

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-comprehensive-covid-hospitalisation-death-countries.html

Only one out of five 80 year olds will get sick enough to go to the hospital.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 02:25 PM

Blood plasma treatment begins in Texas

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-fda-plasma-therapy-houston-methodist.html

Let us hope this rolls out fast in many areas

Sample quote

The process for donating plasma is similar to donating blood and takes about an hour. Plasma donors are hooked up to a small device that removes plasma while simultaneously returning red blood cells to their bodies. Unlike regular blood donation in which donors have to wait for red blood cells to replenish between donations, plasma can be donated more frequently, as often as twice a week.

"Convalescent serum therapy could be a vital treatment route, because unfortunately there is relatively little to offer many patients except supportive care, and the ongoing clinical trials are going to take a while. We don't have that much time," Salazar said.

End quote
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 03:06 PM

All the effort and expense involved in developing treatments and therapies for ill people would be unnecessary should the populace heeded early warnings and stay in place orders implemented and enforced. It's time for everyone to realize mistakes were made from day one by those in positions to influence activities and actions of populace around the world.
Lets hope the time has come and self serving opinions and actions of populace are put away and the interest of nations and their protege (likely for generations). The toll is not only the body bags and mass graves (imagine India) as it seems the long term economic effects is being paled by the headlines. Everyone is watching the numbers of ill and dead with occasional glances at the stock market.
Click for U.S. Debt Clock -> OMG what is going on
What time is it? Time to Stay Home!


Posted By: moparx

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 03:11 PM

as of a couple days ago, jefferson, elk, and forest counties in pa. had no confirmed cases.
my sister's father in law passed, and his body wasn't released to the family until after he was tested for the virus.
she lives in virginia, [now a stay at home state] and was apprehensive about coming for the funeral. that consisted of a graveside service only, with 15 persons allowed to attend because it was outside, and distancing was required.
usually when my sister is here, we set at the kitchen table or on the deck to visit.
this time, my wife and i sat at each side of the one garage door, while my sister and brother in law sat under the garage door overhang, which is a 15x24 foot roof over the driveway. it was strange for sure, but the weather was very nice.
beer
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:07 PM

Moparx, I just now got off a tele appointment (changed from a face to face b/c of cv19) with my Doctor. I too live in a rural County with 3 or 4 adjoining with no reported cases. I asked about no illness here and she said "it's here". She explained there are many asymptomatic carriers distributing the virus and lack of test kits are lulling a sense that daily activity can continue. She expects test kits will be appearing and in the next 1 to two weeks we will be riding the wave. I did get her to say (hipa) that she's seen patients that need testing. Beware.
Posted By: tboomer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:17 PM

srt...Here is my dilema. I am scheduled for a CAT scan of the brain on April 2nd to see if the aneurysm is growing or stable. The county I have to go to has around 8 or 9 cases of the virus. On the 16th of April I am supposed to have my appointments with neurosurgery and radiation oncology. That county has had around 70+ cases. I really don't know what to do. One or the other could be deadly to me or my wife who has stage 5 renal failure... work
Posted By: wingman

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by srt
All the effort and expense involved in developing treatments and therapies for ill people would be unnecessary should the populace heeded early warnings and stay in place orders implemented and enforced. It's time for everyone to realize mistakes were made from day one by those in positions to influence activities and actions of populace around the world.


Staying home, social distancing, flattening the curve, etc DOES NOT mean that less people will get exposed to the virus or get sick from it. It's purpose is to slow down the rate of infection and extend it over time, so that the health care system does not get overwhelmed with a huge, steep spike of cases all at once. Instead, there is a gradual amount of infections over time that they can deal with.

Hiding in our homes is not a cure. Eventually we all need to gain "herd immunity" and develop antibodies. That only happens 2 ways: an effective immunization (working on it, but still a long way off), or getting exposed to the virus and recovering (this is already happening).
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:46 PM

I agree with what you write wingman, with the caveat that should the virus mutate (shear numbers of hosts = better chance). the experts will continue to chase vaccine(s).
I'm not hiding in my house, I have a big yard (acres) I have a shop and garage. There are other things we can do beside returning to life as usual and perhaps unintentionally become a host or carrier. Remember too, as time goes on the doctors are finding it's not simply the old/infirm that are critical. Is it better reporting, or is the virus mutating?
Edit- Experts say social distancing a must <- Click
p.s. Is moparts clock off?
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by srt
I agree with what you write wingman, with the caveat that should the virus mutate (shear numbers of hosts = better chance). the experts will continue to chase vaccine(s).
I'm not hiding in my house, I have a big yard (acres) I have a shop and garage. There are other things we can do beside returning to life as usual and perhaps unintentionally become a host or carrier. Remember too, as time goes on the doctors are finding it's not simply the old/infirm that are critical. Is it better reporting, or is the virus mutating?


From what I've gathered, it just takes longer for younger folks to hit the critical point where they need hospitalized.
Posted By: moparx

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:56 PM

oh yeah, i'm SURE it's here, just not REPORTED.
as you said, there are asymptomatic carriers EVERYWHERE, so why wouldn't it be here ?
a few days ago, i was talking to a lady that is a hairdresser. she said in late february to mid march, she had clients cancel with symptoms that mimic the symptoms described this virus has. at that time, the docs said it wasn't the flue, but they were not sure exactly what it was.
as no tests were available, it's entirely probable it was here then.
this exit on I-80 is the busiest exit in pa.
you just KNOW travelers have stopped here with it ! eek
beer
Posted By: jcc

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 04:58 PM

If there is any "shame in hiding in the house", paint me bright red guilty. biggrin

IF I cared blindly what others thought, I wouldn't have taken the effort to make 18K+ replies here.

I'll wait for the vaccine while others work out the herd mentality thing.

Good Luck to all of us.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by jcc
If there is any "shame in hiding in the house", paint me bright red guilty. biggrin

IF I cared blindly what others thought, I wouldn't have taken the effort to make 18K+ replies here.

I'll wait for the vaccine while others work out the herd mentality thing.

Good Luck to all of us.


At the start of this thread I wrote on 3/15, 2 weeks ago:

"I've been sequestered at home with my wife because of her knee replacement in early feb, and am glad I have.
I've finally talked sense to three of our adult children, while the other two (smokers) continue throw caution to the wind.
As I understand from reading and talking with two doctors is the virus effects ones lungs. Reduced lung capacity and scarring are the immediate effect and residual diminished lung capacity may likely be the toll on any individual. Effects seem to balance on the condition of ones lungs going into an infection.
Lets all be safe and considerate of others. Taking an attitude of "young enough" may cost one their life. I'll respect the experts and hope a majority of us get through this.
Let's also hope it was not created in some lab to be a super bug. Whatever it is, it appears to be widespread and well rooted in the populace. How the heck did that happe? Humanity has been forever changed, we will wake up tomorrow and this will be worse. It's real and frankly it's scary. I have not yet wrapped my head around economic effects and can only think dark thoughts on that.
I hope with additional tests there may be a way to corral hot spots to give science time to develop a vaccine. That is the best for now. "

I could write the same today, but... cut and paste was easier.
As a retired engineer playing nurse it gave me plenty if research time.
I found there is a lot of bad info floated on the www, even some here, where as a community we should be able to civilly banter and share. There is no winner in these topics, only shared hope there will be a vaccine and a way to heal society. After the victims are laid to rest and the mourning is done will we have scarred lungs and a way to live life that was somewhat similar to last year?
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 06:03 PM

With a vaccine not predicted to be tested and available until next year, how is hiding in the house until then even practical?
The whole shelter in place plan is not to ride the storm out until it goes away, it is to flatten the curve so that the medical system won’t be overwhelmed.
When all is said and done somewhere between 30 and 60% of Americans will likely catch it regardless of what you do. Somewhere between 1 and 2% of those infected will likely pass away, though hopefully the mortality rate will diminish as treatments are developed.
In the meantime how is the stress being put on people by this going to affect their health, how many heart attacks, strokes etc is this causing?
Increases in drinking, overeating? Mental health? When all is said and done, perhaps these side effects will lead to the deaths of more people than Coronavirus?
Personally I know my blood pressure is high since around a month ago when it became apparent this was going to be more serious here than initially thought, and when the stock market where I’m heavily invested started crashing. And in only a week and a half of working at home, my back is stiff from sitting at an old desk with a less than optimum chair. Another month and my back will probably be trashed!
I’m trying to figure out ways to destress some, and cutting back on news is one thing that will help. Seeing the same half dozen people posting 24/7 in this thread makes me question if they aren’t endangering their health obsessing on this subject?
I’m not intending to trivialize the virus, but I do think constantly thinking about it might well be as much or more dangerous to ones health than the epidemic. twocents
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
srt...Here is my dilema. I am scheduled for a CAT scan of the brain on April 2nd to see if the aneurysm is growing or stable. The county I have to go to has around 8 or 9 cases of the virus. On the 16th of April I am supposed to have my appointments with neurosurgery and radiation oncology. That county has had around 70+ cases. I really don't know what to do. One or the other could be deadly to me or my wife who has stage 5 renal failure... work


If it were me in that situation I would put off the CAT scan and appointment on 16th off for 90 days.

It is a personal choice based on trading off risk.

Were there previous CAT scans?
Was the aneurysm stable in previous scans?

90 days from now the medical staff and MD’s you are going to interact with will have probably gotten the virus and recovered, making them much less dangerous to you.

Can you stay virus free for 90 days ?
Unknown, but it is possible.

It is almost certain 90 days from now medical research teams will know a lot more about successfully treating patients.



Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 06:40 PM

Don't hang all your hope on a vaccine... they don't have that great of a track record.
Better than no vaccine... but they don't stop everyone from getting whatever the vaccine is for.
This years Flu vaccine is apparently only showing a 45 % "overall" effective rate according to cdc
(Only 37% against H1N1 strains)
That's better than 0%... but certainly not the Holy Grail.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6907a1.htm?s_cid=mm6907a1_w

Going forward, treatments for corona are still going to be more important than a vaccine.
Because at 40-50% effective rate, a vaccine is still going to be a hell of a lot less effective than everyone staying in their house for 3 months. And we see how well that's going.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 06:54 PM

Machine can detect nearly any of +1000 viruses that infected you in the past

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-scanning-tool-previous-covid-infections.html

Sample quote

VirScan works by detecting antibodies, immune system proteins that can latch onto specific spots on a particular virus and hasten its destruction. Antibodies remain in the blood for years after an infection, guarding the body in case that same virus returns.

VirScan's library already spans more than 1,000 strains of virus, whose genetic sequences are turned into little chunks of viral protein. When a blood sample is added to these protein chunks, antibodies in the blood latch onto any of the viral bits they recognize.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 07:05 PM

Overwhelmed, Hospitals in Europe reluctant to admit Nursing Home patients who they predict will die anyway.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-dead-nursing-homes-uncounted.html
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
Overwhelmed, Hospitals in Europe reluctant to admit Nursing Home patients who they predict will die anyway.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-dead-nursing-homes-uncounted.html

Socialized medicine working it's wonders.... frown
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by 360view
Overwhelmed, Hospitals in Europe reluctant to admit Nursing Home patients who they predict will die anyway.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-dead-nursing-homes-uncounted.html

Socialized medicine working it's wonders.... frown


Changing who pays the bills has nothing to do with whether a hospital system will be overwhelmed or not.

We're rapidly on our own way to being overwhelmed right now.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 08:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 09:53 PM

I'm surprised to see the erosion of civility. fwiw, prior to an early retirement due to a medical intervention my interrupted engineering career left me with the inability to work on cars, or our garden, or home, and I take frequent breaks. Being an engineer this entire virus ordel has captivated my attention. I'm generally healthy no quite at fighting weight of 183 @6'1" great blood pressure, don't drink, never smoked, no drugs, eat homegrown organic and chose protein wisely. I take frequent breaks that I fill my time doing some restoration of antiques, watch a little news, an occasional movie, race, some sports. I also research problems, engineers seek solutions and while not medically inclined, I like to research this and truly feel there is a lot of good information out there that many here anr not aware. If I write something you don't like, let me know, or better yet write your source, or opinion. Everyone has opinions and we're going to differ. It does not bother me, make my blood pressure rise, or nerves get irritated. I know some do, including those in high places. Does not mean they, you or I are right. We're all in the same bowl, swimming around, and occasionally paths cross, here, we're in a small bowl and ideas are concentrated. We can get along and agree to disagree. At least we're not hanging out at the shopping center, or some other place our odds are high of crossing path with someone that does not look like the reaper, yet could be.
Posted By: srt

The official Corona virus thread - 03/31/20 10:15 PM

http://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

These recently published charts are interesting. Look how accurate it is today. Human nature creates a ever growing range of projections. Scroll down the page for additional charts. Click top center and change united states to your state.
Where will we be in two weeks?

Posted By: jcc

The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 10:40 PM

So I decide to mail off some of my N95 stash masks today to my adult kids.

I walk in to the PO and enter the Air conditioned service counter/customer line.

I notice the customer side is "sealed" off from the employees by a continuous hanging clear plastic barrier, like multiple shower curtains. Never seen that before. There is a vertical full length slit in front of each worker, to allow passage of money mail, packages, etc.

While standing there I notice the "curtains" are all slightly bowed in towards the workers. I also notice when the entrance door opens, the curtains all hang straight down. You see where I going with this.

So I finish my business, and ask to see the Manager.

The clerk says stand over there, she'll be out in a minute. Please note, I'm wearing my N95 mask mentioned in my previous post.

After waiting for a good ten minutes, I think I see what is going on.

I approach the clerk and tell her my observations, I think the curtains are a great idea, but the AC is making it actually less safe for the workers, I open the door to prove my point, and explain I'm only trying to help. The manger hears me conversing with the clerk, and walks out and gruffly says, " can I help you?" I recap the whole story, and finish with, all you need to do is block off with tape? to some degree the single overhead AC vent, and reduce the amount of air you are constantly blowing into your employees faces.

She nodded and said "Thanks".
Posted By: tboomer

The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 10:43 PM

Interesting...srt..I will make my choice soon..I think I will cancel. And doc and paris401..Anymore name calling,you both will be gone. tsk
Posted By: Runner2go

The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 11:25 PM

Edit... not sure what happened to what was actually replying too... so the below may seem out of context now shruggy

I've pushed out my yearly cancer screening appointment... They said most people were doing that right now.
Last thing they need is for someone to walk through the door for a "Checkup" that doesn't know they have Covid-19, and spread it to everyone in there already actively fighting a cancer battle with Chemo & Radiation.

Probably best to stay away from Dr offices for a while. I'm sure they do there best to clean everything.
But every one I go to, has a lot of chairs with wood, plastic, & metal arms in the waiting room. .
It's got to be hard to keep them germ free, and they say it lives a long time on those surfaces.
Posted By: tboomer

The official Coronavirus thread - 03/31/20 11:50 PM

[quote=Runner2go]Edit... not sure what happened to what was actually replying too... so the below may seem out of context now shruggy

I've pushed out my yearly cancer screening appointment... They said most people were doing that right now.
Last thing they need is for someone to walk through the door for a "Checkup" that doesn't know they have Covid-19, and spread it to everyone in there already actively fighting a cancer battle with Chemo & Radiation.

Probably best to stay away from Dr offices for a while. I'm sure they do there best to clean everything.
But every one I go to, has a lot of chairs with wood, plastic, & metal arms in the waiting room. .
It's got to be hard to keep them germ free, and they say it lives a long time on those surfaces. [/quote/]

The more I think about it,it is scary. I wouldn't want to be in anybody's shoes that have health issues. Good luck everyone and we will survive this crap! wave
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 01:48 AM

Posted by a friend on Facebook tonight. If it didn’t hit home yet

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Posted By: RMCHRGR

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by srt
http://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

These recently published charts are interesting. Look how accurate it is today. Human nature creates a ever growing range of projections. Scroll down the page for additional charts.
Where will we be in two weeks?



Was going to post this new webpage myself. Scroll through the list and compare some of the less populated states to New York, it's eye opening. New York is expected to reach its infection peak next week. The rest of the country is a week or two behind.

The recent projections of 1-200K deaths nationwide are based on the idea that everyone in every state cooperates and stays home. If we as a nation don't follow the recommendations, that number could be in the millions before this is all over. Think about that. And think about how taxed the healthcare system will be for so long, it's not sustainable.

Even if you look at it from a cynical viewpoint, it's still really puzzling and sad how fast our country has slid into this situation with no reasonably predictable end in sight. The fact that as of today some states have still not shut things down is astonishing. It's like the people making these decisions are living in an alternate universe. No amount of wishing will make this go away.

China is going back to work and restarting their economy. Ours could be dead in the water for months.

Our military has also been directly affected by this virus. There is a story in the news about the Navy needing to get infected sailors off a deployed air craft carrier, The Roosevelt. Ponder that for a minute while you try to wrap your head around these other scenarios.

I'll say it again that China is getting back on its feet way before us...


Posted By: Ramrod39

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 02:48 AM

You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 10:44 AM

The next 32 days will be the most intense.
The number of positive cases reported will double every two to three days.
Multiply these positive confirmed test cases by 20
to get “real number” of infections.

“Herd Immunity” starts when about forty percent of people have recovered and have immunity.

Forty percent of 330 million is 132 million.
Divide 132 million by 20 to get
6.6 million positive test cases.

USA at 0.2 million now.

.4
.8
1.6
3.2
6.4

Five doubles to get from 0.2 to 6.4
Two to four days for each doubling.

Big urban areas will get there faster.
More isolated rural areas will be considerably slower.

Total deaths will depend on finding a drug ( maybe Colchicine,maybe the statin drug Crestor)
to moderate the “Cytokine Storm” that is fatally damaging lungs.

If the recovered would donate plasma twice a week that has a high chance of working,
same for if we could make artificial antibodies quickly.
Posted By: 360view

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


What will the rank and file members of the Peoples Liberation Army think about what are such obvious lies?

It seems certain that the medical workers of mainland China are going to come away from this with strong opinions.

I did not think in 1988 that the USSR was going to do what it did.

Posted By: RMCHRGR

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


And?

Maybe consider that the situation here in this country would not be as dire as it is now had there not been persistent, wholesale denial from the very top of our "leadership" about the seriousness of the virus. "We'll be fine, packed churches on Easter!" Right.

We will be lucky to have packed churches next Easter.
Posted By: second 70

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


And?

Maybe consider that the situation here in this country would not be as dire as it is now had there not been persistent, wholesale denial from the very top of our "leadership" about the seriousness of the virus. "We'll be fine, packed churches on Easter!" Right.

We will be lucky to have packed churches next Easter.


Well I for one am glad the Gov. ignored the lies coming out DC. and shut Illinois down. Even with Chicago we went from the third worse state to #7. They still don't have enough kits to even check the staff at our local hospitals even thou they've been told to. And we are the state capital with 2 hospitals and a school of medicine. Only the very worse cases who are admitted are checked. I am friends with several nurses & doctors that work there and most people who they are sure have it are told to go home without any test or treatment and quarantine for 2 weeks. There's a lot more people who have it then the numbers indicate.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 03:13 PM

My son is in the medical field but he is off for the next few weeks because they have a new son born about
a week ago.. I hope they have a better control on this by the time he goes back.. he has no control on
which person he works on.. some will have.. some wont
wave
Posted By: partsforsale

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


And?

Maybe consider that the situation here in this country would not be as dire as it is now had there not been persistent, wholesale denial from the very top of our "leadership" about the seriousness of the virus. "We'll be fine, packed churches on Easter!" Right.

We will be lucky to have packed churches next Easter.


And? I'm not following your thinly veiled references. I just can't figure it out, please let us know specifically who you are referring to, we would all like to know............
Posted By: RMCHRGR

The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by partsforsale
Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


And?

Maybe consider that the situation here in this country would not be as dire as it is now had there not been persistent, wholesale denial from the very top of our "leadership" about the seriousness of the virus. "We'll be fine, packed churches on Easter!" Right.

We will be lucky to have packed churches next Easter.


And? I'm not following your thinly veiled references. I just can't figure it out, please let us know specifically who you are referring to, we would all like to know............


If my references are thinly veiled then why do you need me to spell them out? Not trying to politicize things, just stating facts.

But either way tell me what you think - is my inference true or not?
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 07:12 PM

Drug developed for pet Cats may work against COVID-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-antiviral-cat-coronavirus-key-covid-.html

Sample quote

Genome sequencing of the novel coronavirus indicates that its protease is nearly identical (96 percent) to the protease in the original SARS virus.

"Of the 306 amino acid residues in the chain that makes the 3CL protease of the "Wuhan' virus, only 12 are different and they are highly similar in properties," the researchers stated in their research proposal.

Another good sign is that a derivative of the same protease inhibitor was recently shown by American veterinary investigators to cure cats of feline infectious peritonitis, a coronavirus-caused condition that is almost always fatal to the animals.

"The key compound affected cures or significant remissions in all the cats," the researchers stated.

"It is very exciting that the drug was effective and tolerated in cats," said Lemieux, while cautioning that it still must be proven and tested in humans.
End quote
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
Drug developed for pet Cats may work against COVID-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-antiviral-cat-coronavirus-key-covid-.html

Sample quote

Genome sequencing of the novel coronavirus indicates that its protease is nearly identical (96 percent) to the protease in the original SARS virus.

"Of the 306 amino acid residues in the chain that makes the 3CL protease of the "Wuhan' virus, only 12 are different and they are highly similar in properties," the researchers stated in their research proposal.

Another good sign is that a derivative of the same protease inhibitor was recently shown by American veterinary investigators to cure cats of feline infectious peritonitis, a coronavirus-caused condition that is almost always fatal to the animals.

"The key compound affected cures or significant remissions in all the cats," the researchers stated.

"It is very exciting that the drug was effective and tolerated in cats," said Lemieux, while cautioning that it still must be proven and tested in humans.
End quote


If this holds true how long would it take before being tried on humans
wave
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 07:53 PM

I'm hearing rumbling about a huge transportation bill to get us out of the financial mess the shutdown has partially created.
I worked in public works for 30 years (airports roads and bridges) and it is no surprise the nations infrastructure is neglected. Anytime parasitic systems are added to funding revenue (fuel tax on cars and planes, ticket tax, bridge tolls etc. often times are siphoned into parking lots, buses, trolleys, light rail, walk and bike ways, etc) the system generating the revenue becomes under served. The kind of money being talked about is a "huge shot in the arm" of our hobbled economy, yet while sounding good, will not result in much shovel work. Much will be directed to the activities to get it to construction with planning, environmental, right of way acquisition, design, bidding, and finally construction. These type activities lose a lot of value to provide photo ops, press reports and profits every step of the way prior to the public getting little in return. I cannot understand budgeting and paying for things like re-paving that have a shorter life than the bonds and payment providing the construction funds, especially since the transportation system (and other funding mechanisims as waterand waste water bills, drainage and lighting assements) already paid for their maintenance needs. There needs to be more thought put into how to move forward. I think it's a great time for the public and taxpayer to be educated the things thay ask for like sidewalks and bike lanes, and a plethora of school and social programs need to have their own funding sources. There are experts that need to be consulted and listened to before putting into motion any substantial public investment to get us out of the situation we find ourselves. There are many cracks that need to be looked into every time recommendations are made prior to implementation.
This was not written with a political slant, rather a view of the sad state of the public's resources of money and Infrastructure.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 09:26 PM

It will take at least 90 days to do a Phase I trial that tests just safety in humans.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 09:27 PM

Advice about quitting smoking during COVID-19

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/collections/doi/SC000042/full
Posted By: calmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 10:04 PM

Scientists on many fronts are making progress and will eventually come up with a treatment. Unfortunately, many many people will die horrible suffocating deaths alone until they will be ready for use.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/h...509-4a895be1-80f6-46b0-8812-e2d49d20bebf
Posted By: paris401

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
Interesting...srt..I will make my choice soon..I think I will cancel. And doc and paris401..Anymore name calling,you both will be gone. tsk


sorry... it my fault- my apologies to all
Posted By: David_in_St_Croi

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 10:18 PM

It just got even more real in our little territory. Just received confirmation that the cause of death for one of my wife's colleagues is COVID-19. It happened about a week ago. He was off island, had left maybe four days before so he must have contracted it here. It clearly came on hard and fast. The academic community here is small and tight knit so hits hard.

Most of the Caribbean is shut down. BVI, right next door, is on 24 hour curfew through tomorrow,and that might get extended. The last country to have no cases, St. Kitts Nevis, had their first tow case confirmed about a week ago.

The university here has gone to all remote learning for the rest of the semester. That was and still is a big task for my wife and the rest of the faculty. As Dean of the College of Science and Math she (and everyone else) has been working flat out.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/01/20 10:46 PM

Washington States projection model is showing April 19th to be the peak for this area. Seems to me that can only be true for Seattle proper as that was the start, and is densely populated (relatively). Much of the rest of the state is VERY different and I would think it’s curve would differ quite a bit, time wise.
Posted By: ubercuda

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 12:29 AM

This was a reply to a previous post: "It seems like an extreme over-reaction is in play. Just how lethal is this to an otherwise healthy person? Is Tom Hanks dead yet?
It was such a good thing, seeing so many enjoying the fruits of this great economy. This media induced panic could destroy it."





Hanks is still alive but 917 Americans died from it today. Don't think it's a media hoax.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 12:37 AM

Remember when it was said most bills would test positive for cocaine? Why not just snort money?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 12:52 AM

I heard some dump As- train engineer tried to launch his train off the tracks to try and damage the
hospital ship out there... do damage was done... the one in Cali
wave
Posted By: srt

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 01:18 AM

Was he driving that train after sniffing money?
Posted By: calmopar

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 01:36 AM

You know how we're short of ventilators and masks?

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-medical-supplies-export/
Posted By: skicker

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by srt
Was he driving that train after sniffing money?


Casey Jones you better watch your speed... biggrin
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by skicker
Originally Posted by srt
Was he driving that train after sniffing money?


Casey Jones you better watch your speed... biggrin


Switchman’s sleeping, train hundred and two...
On the wrong track and headed for you...
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 03:21 AM

He was trying to damage the hospital ship.. I myself dont find the joke in it
wave
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Washington States projection model is showing April 19th to be the peak for this area. Seems to me that can only be true for Seattle proper as that was the start, and is densely populated (relatively). Much of the rest of the state is VERY different and I would think it’s curve would differ quite a bit, time wise.


When this is all over with, and they either have a cure & vaccine...
Or just decide to ignore everyone dying going forward, like they have with H1N1 after '09...
There will need to be a study done comparing the US per/cap death rate, with Sweden, Brazil & Belarus.
Apparently those countries have decided they will NOT go into lock down, and will let nature take it's course.
They are detaining people coming into their countries... but not shutting down businesses & schools.

If the death rates in those countries don't end up being 10-20x per capita higher than the final US numbers... :
(Remember the US predictions of 100k-200k if we shut down & 2.2Million Dead if we left everything open)
Then the question will have to be asked...
Was it really worth destroying the US economy over Covid-19? work shruggy
That is not a question that can currently be answered... so don't even try. whistling
We won't know the answer until the final analysis, 2 or 3 yrs down the road.

But remember SERS & Swine Flu ultimately never came close to the dire predictions.
Even though swine flu (H1N1) infected 60million... it never killed anywhere near what was predicted in 2009
In fact H1N1 has killed more people this year, than it did in 2009... but no one cares anymore. frown
Because there's a new kid on the block...
One that's finally managed to shut down the country and put the printing presses in overdrive.
A few years from now we will know whether or not it was worth the cost.
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 03:52 AM

Thank you, Runner for providing some sanity here.
Posted By: srt

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
He was trying to damage the hospital ship.. I myself dont find the joke in it
wave

Sry Mr P Body, It was thinly veiled to the original title of the post and a continue of a couple other posts. The words I wrote, and others joined in are from a ,sry for this, a Grateful Dead song. I did not think about that connection until I began writing that sentence. The engineer guy obviously had a nut and gear loose, no way a locomotive (likely a switcher on a rail freight siding) could blow through the barriers, travel the distance and fly through the air and hit the ship. Hepefully he will get some help. Only trying to lighten up the atmosphere. Things have been very heavy in the world for quite awhile.
Cr*p, today I had to go out to a three horse town to get milk, some spring vegetable starts and seed packs for the summer gardern and I'm still feeling like I inhaled bad air.
Posted By: skicker

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 09:48 AM

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/20...ast-2005-chloroquine-effective-coronaviruses/
Posted By: skicker

Re: Quarantined $100 Bills from Asia ? ? ? - 04/02/20 10:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=372&v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=emb_logo

After watching the video review the comments...
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 11:41 AM

After this is over some group should try to “model” what amount of money and lives would have been saved if young people had been asked to volunteer to get infected and stay isolated for 21 days, then donate plasma to inject into all other citizens.

We need to study this because future infections may be even worse.

In future infections it might not be the young needed as volunteers, it might instead be people with certain genes.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 02:30 PM

How the deadly Ebola virus epidemic taught valuable methods against COVID-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-treatments-harness-antibodies-coronavirus-survivors.html

Sample quote

Several companies, as well as a number of powerhouse academic labs, aim to meet the challenge of identifying and generating these life-saving NAbs.

At the fore is Regeneron, the pharmaceutical company that designed the effective Ebola treatment. Although targeting a different virus, their overall strategy remains the same. They've isolated and characterized NAbs and plan to engineer a cocktail of the most potent molecules. The viral target of these antibodies is the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein; the NAbs work by preventing the virus from entering cells.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 02:34 PM

Safest way to see an MD for the next several weeks, is like Yale is doing

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-doctor-covid-telehealth.html
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 03:00 PM


Some good info in this thread. up wave
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 03:27 PM

Long article about ventilators

https://www.cnet.com/features/in-th...ilators-face-their-toughest-mission-yet/

Previous article stated only 3 of 22 coronavirus patients placed on ventilators lived, according to Chinese
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 06:25 PM

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus...rget-costco-selling-nonessential-2951551

Wonder if other state governors will follow Vermont?
Seems unnecessary.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus...rget-costco-selling-nonessential-2951551

Wonder if other state governors will follow Vermont?
Seems unnecessary.

Very... if you are already in there, who cares what items you put in the cart.

Around here some of the Target's roped off most of the store right from the start.
We just assumed it was because they didn't want to have to sanitize the entire stores footprint every day.
So they limited everyone to the grocery, cleaning & paper products sections.
At the time we didn't even have a "Stay at home" order in place yet.

Whether it makes sense of not... expect many more states jump on the bandwagon.
Few think for themselves anymore... they just follow.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
..... donate plasma to inject into all other citizens.


Trials have just begun with this therapy. Keep in mind it's treatment for those infected, not a vaccine.

First Plasma Trial march 31 <-Click
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 07:08 PM

idk if your big retailers are anything like what I experience. Seems to me many people go there for social interaction as they wander aimlessly "shopping". I see no problem with the model of reduced access and ordering and pick-up. Reducing the "herd" will flatten the curve.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 07:52 PM

Canadian drug

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-trial-drug-significantly-block-early.html


Sample quote

Our new study provides very much needed direct evidence that a drug—called APN01 (human recombinant soluble angiotensin-converting enzyme 2—hrsACE2)—soon to be tested in clinical trials by the European biotech company Apeiron Biologics, is useful as an antiviral therapy for COVID-19," says Dr. Art Slutsky, a scientist at the Keenan Research Centre for Biomedical Science of St. Michael's Hospital and professor at the University of Toronto who is a collaborator on the study.

In cell cultures analyzed in the current study, hrsACE2 inhibited the coronavirus load by a factor of 1,000-5,000.

End quote
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 08:23 PM

No updates regarding the trial vaccine in Seattle since the first couple people were injected. I know it’s early, but it seems there would be SOME discussion about it, I.E., explanation of the monitoring and tests that the people are undergoing, etc. Even if the next steps are months away they should tell us.....IMO....
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 08:49 PM

I posted several pages back that the FDC discounted the claim that vaccine/treatment was going to be immediately available. Here we are. shruggy
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 09:11 PM

Dolly says “Keep the faith”

https://www.mid-day.com/articles/do...h-with-usd-one-million-donation/22708299
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 11:47 PM

Over the counter spray “Halo” being tested

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-tested-infection-prevention/5111556002/

Sample quote

“We have every reason to believe it will be effective,” said Dr. Robert A. Salata, chairman of the department of medicine at University Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center and principal investigator for the study.

The product, marketed commercially under the brand name Halo, has shown promise in preventing influenza and other respiratory illnesses in laboratory studies and in a small clinical trial that Salata supervised at University Hospitals in 2015-16.

End quote
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/02/20 11:50 PM

THERE ya go ... some type of an INHALER... I brought up that idea days ago up
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 12:00 AM

That's great, just try to buy some though.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 12:08 AM

Not trying to break away from the topic here, but if anyone is on any type of inhaler and cant get them for one reason or another ive a few of many kinds still in the box. I had already donated a good many but if things got rough ive got some.
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 12:18 AM

Heard the tail end of the clip on the national news that Dr Fauci has received DEATH THREATS ! Huh ??
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 01:05 AM

And in the Philippines life is a little more ....... not sure of the right word here.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shoot-them-dead-duterte-orders-054807610.html
Posted By: Doc Fiberglass

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 01:16 AM

two words ... very serious eek
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
two words ... very serious eek


Maybe they figure.....”it’s for their own good!” LOL!!!

Edit....I should have said “maybe HE figures...”. BIG difference!!!!
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 01:57 AM

surrealer
Posted By: stumpy

things looking better maybe - 04/03/20 03:00 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/he...ice/ar-BB125vUR?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=iehp
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 10:18 AM

Plasma in NY started

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-superheroes-coronavirus-survivors-donate-plasma.html

Sample quote

He said some data suggests antibody production could peak around 28 days post-infection, and hopes the new research could provide a clearer picture.

Hod said each donation "can potentially save three to four lives."

The primary goal now is acquiring a significant plasma stock, so researchers can conduct formal studies with control groups who would receive non-convalescent plasma, and others the antibody-packed donations.

End quote
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 10:25 AM

Glad to here that... is that just NON infected people for donations
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Posted By: RWG75

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by srt
idk if your big retailers are anything like what I experience. Seems to me many people go there for social interaction as they wander aimlessly "shopping". I see no problem with the model of reduced access and ordering and pick-up. Reducing the "herd" will flatten the curve.


I agree with the other comment about yer in the store for essentials, what difference does it make what else ya grab.

As for the bigger picture, a personal anecdote: my girl manages a cell phone store for a national brand. Most stores in the chain are closed but some are open for essential business. The company provides a dedicated cell network for first responders and gives them price breaks on hardware and service. Early in the lock down she was annoyed by the amount of buisiness as usual customers. This week the aggravation has been window shoppers with cabin fever. People are legit coming in to the store just because they need to get out of the house.

Paging Mr. Darwin - clean up on aisle 3.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 12:57 PM

Recovered infected people for plasma donations.

With 330 million people in the US there are probably thousands who have never have been infected by COVID-19 but due to a “happy accident” in a prior infection of another disease have antibodies that work against COVID-19, we just do not know who they are....

I got sick in China in 1981 and have also gone through many caves with bats in them in KY, NC, AK and VA.

Since you can get sick and have no symptoms, who knows what antibodies might be in my blood?

Bats have suffered from humans bringing “Novel” diseases into their caves.
Millions of bats have died from “White Nose Disease.”
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 12:59 PM

I had to go to the dentist yesterday for a emergency (broke 3 teeth).. I was happy to see that the few people
there were all keeping the distance.. 50% were wearing masks we sat a fair distance from any one
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Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 01:42 PM

Bezos is stepping up...
https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...n-to-food-banks-during-covid-19-outbreak
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
I had to go to the dentist yesterday for a emergency (broke 3 teeth).. I was happy to see that the few people
there were all keeping the distance.. 50% were wearing masks we sat a fair distance from any one
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P Body......do you really think you can post that and NOT provide the details of three broken teeth??? WTH? What happened?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
I had to go to the dentist yesterday for a emergency (broke 3 teeth).. I was happy to see that the few people
there were all keeping the distance.. 50% were wearing masks we sat a fair distance from any one
wave


P Body......do you really think you can post that and NOT provide the details of three broken teeth??? WTH? What happened?


It was my fault.. I was in a hurry and slipped and my face hit the edge on my lathe.. yes their was blood.. 2 teeth broke
below the gum line
wave
Posted By: wingman

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
I had to go to the dentist yesterday for a emergency (broke 3 teeth).. I was happy to see that the few people
there were all keeping the distance.. 50% were wearing masks we sat a fair distance from any one
wave


P Body......do you really think you can post that and NOT provide the details of three broken teeth??? WTH? What happened?


It was my fault.. I was in a hurry and slipped and my face hit the edge on my lathe.. yes their was blood.. 2 teeth broke
below the gum line
wave


Oh man that hurts just thinking about it!!! runaway
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 06:11 PM

Australians think common drug Ivermectin may work against COVID-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-coronavirus-drug-australian-scientists.html

Sample quote

Dr. Wagstaff made a previous breakthrough finding on Ivermectin in 2012 when she identified the drug and its antiviral activity with Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute's Professor David Jans, also an author on this paper. Professor Jans and his team have been researching Ivermectin for more than 10 years with different viruses.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/03/20 06:47 PM

More scary stuff about bats and Chinese research in Wuhan

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
Posted By: Kippy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 12:03 AM

Hello to all. I live in Staten Island. which is a borough of NYC. Its a real mess here and much worse in the other boroughs such as Brooklyn and Queens. We have as you know a high amount of people infected. Earlier in the month my mom in law passed and we were around many people. Plus i wasn't doing. this social distancing the way I should. Now im trying and today I wore a mask when i took a walk.
Im trying to stay active, doing stuff on my car, cooking, reading, things like that. I do have to food shop now and then but im trying to limit my exposure.
My wifes health isn't the best, cancer issues, so I need to watch her. I wont mention what news show or who was on it but they had the wife of this school principle who died at 42 from COVID19.
The woman was crying and the host she was crying, it was upsetting. The host she actually started to sob at one point. I walked upstairs to tell my wife and she already had it on and she was crying. Turns out my son knew who the guy was. Sometimes it is a small world.
We'll get past this but at what cost I dont know. A guy from the FBBO forum was very sick from the virus but better now. My son in laws dad who is in his earlier seventies also had it and was very ill. Just please dont be taking chances, this virus is not the flu and no joke. God bless. and best wishes to all
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 12:56 AM

Kippy or Steve From Staten Island?
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
I had to go to the dentist yesterday for a emergency (broke 3 teeth).. I was happy to see that the few people
there were all keeping the distance.. 50% were wearing masks we sat a fair distance from any one
wave


P Body......do you really think you can post that and NOT provide the details of three broken teeth??? WTH? What happened?


It was my fault.. I was in a hurry and slipped and my face hit the edge on my lathe.. yes their was blood.. 2 teeth broke
below the gum line
wave


Oh wow.......so sorry. Hope you are doing well as can be expected, take care! Hoping for the best, whatever that is.
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 02:11 AM

WOW.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrig...-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
Posted By: stumpy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 02:16 AM

That guys answer to everything is shoot them.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
It was my fault.. I was in a hurry and slipped and my face hit the edge on my lathe.. yes their was blood.. 2 teeth broke
below the gum line
wave

No Lathes were injured during this episode.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 03:12 AM

Nope... no lathes were injured during this stupidity... only my face and pride
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Posted By: calmopar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 05:09 AM

Nature's lack of mercy is about to run head-first into Man's ignorance and arrogance. The next 60-90 days are going to be brutal. Already bodies are being left in the streets in Ecuador because there's nobody to pick them up.

Stay home and hope everyone else does too. If your job or shopping forces you out, take every precaution.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 07:08 AM

And this is why there the 2nd Amendment, is the SECOND thing the founders put on the list. whistling

And as everyone worries about Corona... Flu steams ahead into new hospitalization territory & no one cares.
From the CDC's latest report for week ending 3/21... it has stepped up from "nearly" to "most" in 2 categories. (babies & adults)
Quote
Laboratory confirmed influenza-associated hospitalization rates for the U.S. population overall are higher than most recent seasons, and rates for children 0-4 years and adults 18-49 years are the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.
The current 162 dead babies from flu in '20, are the 2nd highest since records started in 2002...
Surpassed only by the final season total from '09-10

Remember H1N1 was predicted to kill well over 100,000 during the '09 pandemic... (infected 60mil+) . The final dead count was just over 12k... nowhere close. The H1N1/09 strain has already killed more than that in 2020.

Everyone get there hands on a mask yet? . Any predictions on how many weeks it takes of everyone being masked for the camera's, before it turns into the wild wild west out there?

Supermarkets around here are starting to see some folks with "gloves, shades, hoodie & bandana mask"
It's like a bank robbers wet dream at the super market... laugh2 whistling
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 01:25 PM

Long article on
Drug Avigan ( generic Favipiravir)

https://www.wired.com/story/japan-is-racing-to-test-a-drug-to-treat-covid-19/

May allow recovery in 4 days
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 03:05 PM


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-characteristics-patients-fatal-covid-.html

Sample quote

The median age of these fatal outcome patients was 65.8, and 72.9 percent were men. Their most common symptoms were fever, shortness of breath (dyspnea) and fatigue.

Hypertension, diabetes and coronary heart disease were the most common comorbidities.

A little over 80 0 percent of patients had very low counts of eosinophils (cells that are reduced in severe respiratory infections) on admission. Complications included respiratory failure, shock, acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and cardiac arrhythmia, among others. Most patients received antibiotics, antivirals and glucocorticoids (types of steroids). Some were given intravenous immunoglobulin or interferon alpha-2b.

The researchers noted: "The effectiveness of medications such as antivirals or immunosuppressive agents against COVID-19 is not completely known.

Perhaps our most significant observation is that while respiratory symptoms may not develop until a week after presentation, once they do there can be a rapid decline, as indicated by the short duration between time of admission and death (6.35 days on average) in our study."

Based on their findings, eosinophilopenia—abnormally low levels of eosinophils in the blood—may indicate a poor prognosis.

The scientists also noted that the early onset of shortness of breath may be used as an observational symptom for COVID-19 symptoms

End quote
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 03:47 PM

I really don’t want any personal experience with this sickness.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 05:09 PM

State by State table

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

Notice you can click on the title at the top of each column of numbers to re-rank the entire table from low to high, or high to low.
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
I really don’t want any personal experience with this sickness.

iagree
Posted By: BloFish

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by 360view


Thanks for that link
Posted By: paris401

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 09:39 PM

found '2' n95 masks under my work bench ... prob sitting there for 10plus years, and r a bit soiled, but they were never used - can't bring em to local hospital vu their age/how they look, so i'll use em once, then into a paper bag for 7-10 days- if there is any of that chinese virus on em , they should die in the bag..
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by 70sixpkRT
iagree

Our fairground appears to now be the home for temp resting place. Empty refrigerated trailer showed up even though we have no reported cases. Pretty sobering to see that.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/04/20 10:38 PM

I had to go out today and for the first time I wore a face mask and used gloves... was strange...
this is only the second time I've been out of the house in a month
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Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/05/20 01:02 AM

2 deaths from WV and I know one of them was a man working in Michigan that died in a hospital in Detroit.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/05/20 01:21 AM

I was just talking to my son in Colorado and he said one of the guys that works in the body shop he runs now has Coronavirus
Posted By: 71TA

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/05/20 02:44 AM

From my daughter Physician Assistant friend who traveled to NYC to help in the hospital there.

Daily text message blog.

Attached picture IMG_8637.jpg
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/05/20 11:10 AM

Chart from British Express newspaper

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scie...D-19-pangolins-coronavirus-latest-update

Attached picture 049CC242-5197-496C-8FC3-7A71FE2E4A74.jpeg
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
And this is why there the 2nd Amendment, is the SECOND thing the founders put on the list. whistling

And as everyone worries about Corona... Flu steams ahead into new hospitalization territory & no one cares.
From the CDC's latest report for week ending 3/21... it has stepped up from "nearly" to "most" in 2 categories. (babies & adults)
Quote
Laboratory confirmed influenza-associated hospitalization rates for the U.S. population overall are higher than most recent seasons, and rates for children 0-4 years and adults 18-49 years are the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.
The current 162 dead babies from flu in '20, are the 2nd highest since records started in 2002...
Surpassed only by the final season total from '09-10

Remember H1N1 was predicted to kill well over 100,000 during the '09 pandemic... (infected 60mil+) . The final dead count was just over 12k... nowhere close. The H1N1/09 strain has already killed more than that in 2020.

Everyone get there hands on a mask yet? . Any predictions on how many weeks it takes of everyone being masked for the camera's, before it turns into the wild wild west out there?

Supermarkets around here are starting to see some folks with "gloves, shades, hoodie & bandana mask"
It's like a bank robbers wet dream at the super market... laugh2 whistling


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Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Washington States projection model is showing April 19th to be the peak for this area. Seems to me that can only be true for Seattle proper as that was the start, and is densely populated (relatively). Much of the rest of the state is VERY different and I would think it’s curve would differ quite a bit, time wise.


When this is all over with, and they either have a cure & vaccine...
Or just decide to ignore everyone dying going forward, like they have with H1N1 after '09...
There will need to be a study done comparing the US per/cap death rate, with Sweden, Brazil & Belarus.
Apparently those countries have decided they will NOT go into lock down, and will let nature take it's course.
They are detaining people coming into their countries... but not shutting down businesses & schools.

If the death rates in those countries don't end up being 10-20x per capita higher than the final US numbers... :
(Remember the US predictions of 100k-200k if we shut down & 2.2Million Dead if we left everything open)
Then the question will have to be asked...
Was it really worth destroying the US economy over Covid-19? work shruggy
That is not a question that can currently be answered... so don't even try. whistling
We won't know the answer until the final analysis, 2 or 3 yrs down the road.

But remember SERS & Swine Flu ultimately never came close to the dire predictions.
Even though swine flu (H1N1) infected 60million... it never killed anywhere near what was predicted in 2009
In fact H1N1 has killed more people this year, than it did in 2009... but no one cares anymore. frown
Because there's a new kid on the block...
One that's finally managed to shut down the country and put the printing presses in overdrive.
A few years from now we will know whether or not it was worth the cost.


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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 03:14 AM

This virus reminds me when I was in NAM,,, being attacked and damn near being over run by the enemy...
luckly I made it but many guys didnt make it out that week... this doesnt seen any different
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 04:06 PM

Is the USA doing the right things?

Four months from now we will be able to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark
and see whether “flattening the curve” makes much difference

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-coronavirus-nordics-strategies.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 04:09 PM

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-vaccine-elicits-strong-response-sars-cov-.html

I say make it available to any elderly person that wants to volunteer
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 04:19 PM

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/ijl-spc040620.php

Sample quote

He also proposed a strategy for repurposing known geroprotectors such as
rapamycin, nicotinamide riboside, nicotinamide mononucleotide, metformin, and other drugs
with the known safety profile for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection.
The scientist analyzed the prior clinical studies of everolimus (RAD001) in healthy elderly, and previous evidence showing paradoxical immunopotentiation effects of rapamycin and proposed additional clinical trials for these molecules in the healthy elderly population.
End quote

rapamycin Is a fascinating drug.

Easter Island is one of the most isolated places on Earth.
The natives there call their island “Rapa”.
rapamycin was an antibiotic found in fungus there.
It has since been found to have uses far beyond fighting bacteria.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 09:09 PM

https://www.cleveland.com/coronavir..._medium=social&utm_campaign=cleve_sf

I can't wait for all of the stupids in America to read this and react with, "See, it was an overreaction, it wasn't bad."
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 09:46 PM

This site, previously posted allows one to track data on the national and by clicking on drop box "United States of America" to change to the state of interest. https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
I checked California today because of a news article that CA just sent 500 respirators to other states in need. Sure enough they have flattened the curve. Did early social distancing posted by the state encourage enough people to run and hide help?
I knoiw I've been limiting venturing out (retired) and when I have, did notice the absence on many people on roads/stores/anyplace.
Nor cal has been spared large amounts of infected people and most seem to be located in the metro areas.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 10:01 PM

UNC-CH new drug looks promising

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-antiviral-drug-clinical-trials-covid-.html

Sample quote

We are amazed at the ability of EIDD-1931 and -2801 to inhibit all tested coronaviruses and the potential for oral treatment of COVID-19. This work shows the importance of ongoing National Institutes of Health (NIH) support for collaborative research to develop antivirals for all pandemic viruses, not just coronaviruses" said Andrea Pruijssers, the lead antiviral scientist in the Denison Lab at VUMC.

Denison was senior author of a December 2019 study that first reported that EIDD-1931 blocked the replication of a broad spectrum of coronaviruses.

End quote
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/06/20 11:08 PM

I typed this up in response to a comment about what if the world still only had the ability to text message... no smart phones.

When I went & googled up some SARS research...
I was a little surprised at where it led.. dates & locations right off the SARS wiki page.
No one really knows how many people Chinese just up & disappeared in 03...
----
It is interesting that no new SARS(also Corona) outbreaks occurred after 2004... That is, UNTIL after Chinese "Scientists" finally found the origin bat cave, in remote Yunnan China, in Dec 2017... The bats were then "studied" by scientists from the "Wuhan Institute of Virology" 1000miles away... just 2 short years later... Voila.. an upgraded version of Corona on steroids breaks out in Wuhan, and is blamed on the same horeshoe bats, still living 1000miles away in Yunnan, 😳

Hmmm... work The timing does make you wonder... 13yrs of nothing... Then the carrier bats are found in 2017 & then "studied 1000+ miles away", & only 2yrs later(Dec '19), an outbreak occurred at the "location of study" Wuhan, & NOT at the location where the bats actually live. 🤔
The world will likely never know what they did inside those boarders... either time. 😔
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavir..._medium=social&utm_campaign=cleve_sf

I can't wait for all of the stupids in America to read this and react with, "See, it was an overreaction, it wasn't bad."

There's a couple here now.
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavir..._medium=social&utm_campaign=cleve_sf

I can't wait for all of the stupids in America to read this and react with, "See, it was an overreaction, it wasn't bad."


It isn't the "stupids" as you refer to, it is also rational thinking people that don't take matters at face value. Look at who benefits when more people are reliant on government.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 02:39 AM

Isn't it the government that made the projections and the stoop-ids (intentional) that complied with shelter orders that shaved the top off the curve. Other unfortunates (stoop-ids and naughts) lie in beds, while more and more are interred (albeit some temporarily) as yet others show up at er doors and intake tents gasping for breath. This is not done and there is some indication lung damage is principal cause of demise and heart failure is also suspect, then there is other reports of re-infection. This is a bug to be reckoned with.
I'm pretty sure our small group would all like to get through this along with their loved ones. Lets all be safe and thankful there is info out there to help guide us through the dark days ahead.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 03:30 AM

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/06/hydroxychloroquine-update-for-april-6

CN: still no good evidence that hydroxychoroquine works or helps. The plural of anecdotes is not data.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 05:30 AM

What keeps nagging me is all the virus research (hepatitis, HIV, Sars) until recently, or maybe still, fail to eradicate the infection from the host. I recall living in fear every time I underwent chemo, as my blood counts went to zero taking away immunity I took anti virals and anti bacterial agents. iirc there are these T cells that do battle and after I was done with my stem cell transplant there was a blood component called CD4 that had to get up to some value affording me the ability to walk down the street and not run away from babys and be super anal about cleanliness (really been helping me recently). In fact guys, whens the last time you wiped down the buckle end and tail end of your belts with alcohol or washed your hands after ordering a meal at a restaurant (remember that?). After awhile I had to have all my baby shots again and even a few new ones for shingles etc.
Seems our bodies do not make certain antibodies, unless we get the illness and we live through the infection, OR a vaccine is cooked up to give us immunity. Best results are to have vaccines before illness sets in. Vaccines are not medicine.
This virus is no different than any other viral disease. All the medicine in the world will not stop the virus, it will only help the host become more comfortable as the virus ravages their body. I liken this to adding octane boosters to fuel when all the patient needs is lead.
Much research is currently being done on Broad Spectrum Antiviral Agents that are safe to use on humans.
It's going to take time and this virus will keep popping it's ugly head up until a vaccine arrives.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/06/hydroxychloroquine-update-for-april-6

CN: still no good evidence that hydroxychoroquine works or helps. The plural of anecdotes is not data.

And there is absolutely no evidence it hurts either... thus right to try still applies.

I don't think I've ever witnessed so many people actually hoping for a medicine to fail. shruggy
Newscasters, politicians, and a portion of the general public... all actively wanting it to fail. frown
It's unbelievable... realcrazy

I for one hope when given in combo with a Z-pac, it works as described.
If, it doesn't... then try something else.

I hope they find something that works(anything) and I don't care who suggests it.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Runner2go

And there is absolutely no evidence it hurts either...


Did you read any or all of that article? Pretty much all of it was saying that there is no true evidence that it helps (yet), and definite evidence that it hurts some people with certain issues, which also makes up most of the people in the ICUs.

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Performing a Bayesian A/B test, we found that for the original data, there was strong statistical evidence for the positive effect of HCQ mono improving the chances of viral reduction when compared to the comparison group. However, we found that the level of evidence drops down to moderate evidence when including the deteriorated patients, and it drops further to anecdotal evidence when excluding the patients that were not tested on the day of the primary outcome (day 6). For context, anecdotal evidence is generally considered ‘barely worth mentioning’


That's basically saying that it helped people that weren't too far gone. Would they have survived without the HCQ treatment? Maybe, maybe not. That's why we study things. We don't want to give people heart arrhythmias for no reason.

And we're not hoping that it's going to fail. We want to make sure it actually works, and doesn't cause (more) harm at the same time.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 07:32 AM

And, God forbid stop looking for something that really works.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavir..._medium=social&utm_campaign=cleve_sf

I can't wait for all of the stupids in America to read this and react with, "See, it was an overreaction, it wasn't bad."


It isn't the "stupids" as you refer to, it is also rational thinking people that don't take matters at face value. Look at who benefits when more people are reliant on government.


No, it's the stupids.

Reliant on government? Better not cash that $1,200 check, or collect unemployment while you work side jobs.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 01:49 PM

when you think about it Americans are pretty grubby individuals. One girl I know works at Sams Club. After being there for several years she went to school so she could Be an Audiologist at Sams. Last week she watched a guy lick his fingers three times getting money
out of his wallet to pay. Another girl I know works as a Secretary at a body shop. From where here desk is she can hear whether people use the sink to wash their hands after doing their business. She was shocked to the amount of guys that don’t. Now the idiots are wearing rubber gloves and just throwing them on the ground after removal. Almost as bad as cigarette smokers.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
when you think about it Americans are pretty grubby individuals. One girl I know works at Sams Club. After being there for several years she went to school so she could Be an Audiologist at Sams. Last week she watched a guy lick his fingers three times getting money
out of his wallet to pay. Another girl I know works as a Secretary at a body shop. From where here desk is she can hear whether people use the sink to wash their hands after doing their business. She was shocked to the amount of guys that don’t. Now the idiots are wearing rubber gloves and just throwing them on the ground after removal. Almost as bad as cigarette smokers.


People are gross. Really, really gross. I spent 20 years being inside of other peoples' cars. The way people choose to live is disgusting.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 01:52 PM

Nasal spray vaccine technique from Iowa/Georgia U looks very promising

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-successful-mers-vaccine-mice-covid-.html

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The study found that just one, relatively low dose of the vaccine given to the mice intranasally (inhaled through the nose) was sufficient to fully protect all the treated mice from a lethal dose of MERS coronavirus.

When the researchers analyzed the immune responses generated by the vaccine, they found that both antibodies and protective T cells were produced. However, the antibody response was quite weak and it seems most likely that the vaccine's protective effect is due to the T cell response in the mouse lungs.

The researchers note several factors that make PIV5 expressing a coronavirus spike protein an appealing platform for vaccine development against emerging coronaviruses. First, PIV5 can infect many different mammals, including humans, without causing disease. PIV5 is also being investigated as a vaccine for other respiratory diseases including respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and influenza. Second, the fact that a low dose of the vaccine was sufficient to protect the mice might be beneficial for creating enough vaccine for mass immunization. And finally, the vaccine in the current study was the most effective MERS vaccine to date in animal models of the disease.
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 01:58 PM

Germans estimate worldwide there are 20 undetected COVID-19 cases for every one tested.
USA maybe has 50 to 1 undetected.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.html
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
when you think about it Americans are pretty grubby individuals. One girl I know works at Sams Club. After being there for several years she went to school so she could Be an Audiologist at Sams. Last week she watched a guy lick his fingers three times getting money
out of his wallet to pay. Another girl I know works as a Secretary at a body shop. From where here desk is she can hear whether people use the sink to wash their hands after doing their business. She was shocked to the amount of guys that don’t. Now the idiots are wearing rubber gloves and just throwing them on the ground after removal. Almost as bad as cigarette smokers.


People are gross. Really, really gross. I spent 20 years being inside of other peoples' cars. The way people choose to live is disgusting.

Isn't that the truth. I've worn gloves and put seat covers in cars to protect me. Some cars are the most disgustingly filthy things inside. I may not wash the outside of my old trucks very often but the interior is clean.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 02:35 PM

A newly discovered protein human bodies should make called LY6E turns out to be key in the fight against coronavirus infections

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-animal-coronavirus-defences-route-human.html

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When a pathogen attacks, your immune system mounts a two-stage response: an instant, generic one and a slower one tailored to the specific pathogen.

In the first response, cells release interferon—an alert to tissues around the body to produce up to 350 different proteins in the hope that they will halt the virus.

The scientists took advantage of a library of genes built up by American scientists, each of which encodes one of these 350 proteins. When a coronavirus was administered to cells, each of which contained one of these genes, they found that one molecule, LY6E, stood out as far more effective than the others at counteracting it.

They found the same for a number of coronaviruses they tested, including those that cause MERS, SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) and some that cause the common cold.

"I was very surprised to see such a strong effect," said Dr. Stephanie Pfänder, now at Ruhr Universität Bochum, Germany, who worked on the project.

What surprised them more was that, in a mouse model, the coronaviruses specially targeted the cells involved in the body's second, tailored immune response. If these immune cells don't swiftly produce LY6E, the coronavirus wipes them out, destroying the body's chance of launching the second wave of sustained defences against the disease.

"This is a very important molecule," said Prof. Thiel.

"If anybody in our population has a defect in that gene (which codes for it), they might be very vulnerable to infectious diseases."
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 03:11 PM

Maybe a disease like Measles

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191031204630.htm

Is wiping out an older person’s immune system’s ability to fight COVID-19 ?

99% of young people fight COVID pretty well
but older people sometime during their lifetime catch a disease that wipes out the protection they were born with?
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones

Isn't that the truth. I've worn gloves and put seat covers in cars to protect me. Some cars are the most disgustingly filthy things inside. I may not wash the outside of my old trucks very often but the interior is clean.




In one of my former careers working as a mechanic and autobody tech, the worst vehicles to work on were the ones that people lived in... wanna talk about disgusting filth and a sad view on humanity!

There were times I had to work on vehicles with the "occupants" still inside while making repairs because this was their "home", but when your not the Boss you have no choice, sh!t like this probably wouldn't fly nowadays in a shop because of regulations/liability/insurance guidelines

Mike
Posted By: MONC

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
I typed this up in response to a comment about what if the world still only had the ability to text message... no smart phones.

When I went & googled up some SARS research...
I was a little surprised at where it led.. dates & locations right off the SARS wiki page.
No one really knows how many people Chinese just up & disappeared in 03...
----
It is interesting that no new SARS(also Corona) outbreaks occurred after 2004... That is, UNTIL after Chinese "Scientists" finally found the origin bat cave, in remote Yunnan China, in Dec 2017... The bats were then "studied" by scientists from the "Wuhan Institute of Virology" 1000miles away... just 2 short years later... Voila.. an upgraded version of Corona on steroids breaks out in Wuhan, and is blamed on the same horeshoe bats, still living 1000miles away in Yunnan, 😳

Hmmm... work The timing does make you wonder... 13yrs of nothing... Then the bats are found & "studied from 1000+ miles away", & only 2yrs later, an outbreak occurred at the "location of study" Wuhan, & NOT at the location where the bats actually live. 🤔
The world will likely never know what they did inside those boarders... either time. 😔


Read somewhere the facility the scientists were studying the bat virus was in close proximity to the Wuhan wet markets

"“He lives and works at Wuhan’s CDC, a few hundred yards away from the Huanan wet market,” the official said. “He is among the small team in Wuhan that has contributed to China’s obsession in recent years with virus hunting and research.”

Washington Times on line article

Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by Runner2go

And there is absolutely no evidence it hurts either...


Did you read any or all of that article? Pretty much all of it was saying that there is no true evidence that it helps (yet), and definite evidence that it hurts some people with certain issues, which also makes up most of the people in the ICUs.

Yes... I've also seen other doc's say the opposite and listened to people who recovered via the treatment, say they were happy to receive it.

Just prior to that article coming out, the pharmaceutical company(Novartis) that employ's Derek Lowe (The chemist that wrote the article) committed to donate 130million doses of hydroxychloroquine to whoever needs it, "should it prove effective in treating COVID-19"

Interesting that a company commits to donate it's entire inventory of a certain drug "IF it works" only to have an employee of said company write a blog the very next day claiming it doesn't work...
(thus possibly limiting the chance they have to make good on their pledge)
Timing and intent are everything.... whistling

Something else to keep in mind...
A course of the combo (Plaquenil + Z-pak) everyone is arguing over, can purchased from Walmart pharmacy for a bit over $100 with coupon.
The immunotherapy options we keep hearing about as "more promising", cost a lot more... probably $10-20k work
(Hard to judge price, as many immunotherapy comparatives are mostly cancer related, & run $150k a year and up...)
Funny how only the most expensive options, are always the only "acceptable" winners.... stirthepot
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 05:49 PM

90 year old who survived COVID-19

https://apnews.com/6f2f2343cc0b171acdab2b5f50c1f0bf
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 07:10 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...guam-i-can-get-through-this-bulls-t/amp/

WWII Vet survived Foxholes of Guam and beat Covid.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 08:31 PM

We will probably see a lot of these stories. The elderly that the survive and the healthy young that don't. There is just no way to know who will live and who will die from it. The only sure way to survive it is to not get it.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 08:58 PM

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/the-104-year-old-italian-woman-just-kicked-coronavirus-ass/

104 YO has survived both the Spanish Flu in 1918 and the Covid in 2020. Now that is one system that can fight some infection.
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by 65pacecar
https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/the-104-year-old-italian-woman-just-kicked-coronavirus-ass/

104 YO has survived both the Spanish Flu in 1918 and the Covid in 2020. Now that is one system that can fight some infection.

thumbs
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 09:21 PM

Some people believe this:


All roads lead back to China ..

1. They made a virus for which they already had an antidote.
2. They intentionally spread the virus for financial gain.
3. There is a clear demonstration of efficiency… they have built hospitals within days. They had to be prepared with the organized projects … with the ordering of the equipment,
the hiring of workers, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and the storage in an impressive volume, it all happened very quickly.
4. They caused chaos in the world, starting with Europe and then the rest of the Western world.
5. They rapidly decimated the economies of dozens of countries.
6. They stopped production and production lines in factories and primary production in tens of countries.
7. They caused the stock markets to collapse and then bought shares, bonds and companies at bargain prices.
8. Then they quickly took control of the epidemic in their country.
9. During all of this, they managed to lower the price of commodities, including the oil price.
10. Now they are going back to mass production while the rest of the world has stopped production.
Also note how quickly Chinese unions took action to ‘hoard' busload purchases in regional shopping centers across Australia, stripping our shelves of toilet paper and staple food.
It happened before most of us knew what was happening, even before we knew what the Corona virus was.

PS: Read the 1999 book by Chinese Colonel Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, "Unrestricted War: China's Master Plan to Destroy America," on Amazon. Everything is there.

Think about this ...

Why are Russia and North Korea almost completely free of Covid-19? Because they are strong allies of China. The lowest reported cases of Covid-19 come from these 2 countries.
On the other hand, South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are seriously affected. And why is Wuhan suddenly free from the deadly virus?

China will say that the initial drastic measures they took were very severe and Wuhan was incarcerated to stem the spread to other areas. I am sure they are using the antidote
to the virus that was already available before they released it.

Why was Beijing not affected at all?

Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Wuhan at the height of the outbreak … he put on a simple RM1 face mask to visit the affected areas? As a president, wouldn’t you have been covered
from head to toe in a suit with hazardous materials? Maybe he didn’t have to worry because the antidote had already been administered?

There is no doubt that this is biological warfare. Maybe this is just phase one …and China is really taking over the world!
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 09:59 PM

Well that just blows the whole it's Trump's fault narrative all to hell. laugh2
Posted By: hotairballoonpilot

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 10:02 PM

https://www.keloland.com/news/capit...rs-but-not-the-one-local-officials-want/


Not sure what you all are going through but aren't you glad our governor isn't governor of some of these other states that are REALLY effected?
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/07/20 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Some people believe this:


All roads lead back to China ..
..................................
...........................


What's next war?
I once got a fortune cookie: He who pokes stick sees hornets.
I'm buying stock in Reynolds Aluminum
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 02:53 AM

John Prine passed from it.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 04:01 AM

Trout fishing season secretly started at 9am Tuesday morning in Pa ahead of schedule. Thousands of fishermen will be lining the streams. Hmmmmm.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 05:34 AM

May be interesting to see when infections in the various US States go to zero if State by State sheltering restrictions are lifted, will borders be tightened up. Once all states have no infections will the Country's external borders be tightened up.
I'm sure there will be States and Countrys with earlier and later dates, what is noit known is if re-infection will be widespread.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 10:50 AM

Where TB is high in India, Africa and South America COVID-19 will linger and have a high toll.

Nurses are being killed simply for trying to give Polio vaccines, so even if a vaccine becomes available it will be hard to get a 100% wipe out.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 11:13 AM

The other common coronaviruses

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-common-coronaviruses-highly-seasonal-cases.html
Posted By: 69allen

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 12:33 PM

Since COVID-19 hit the news waves, my wife and I have adjusted our behavior to be clean & disinfected dramatically. She works from home, I don't, and I'm at work M-F. Being clean, and disinfected as much as possible, took a lot of planning. We carry out the plan, no exception. Majority of the time it is me, because I come in from the public environment. Typical...I arrive home and go in through the garage, drop my shoes at the door. Step inside, undress, put clothing into washing machine. Go straight to the bathroom and shower. Put on clean clothes. I have some footwear that I use only indoor. That's just me through the door. Other things we do with delivered goods, groceries, etc. It's a process for sure, that takes some time, effort and $. Throughout my day at work, I'm cautious and practice distancing, cleaning and sanitizing a lot. I don't want to contract this crazy virus. But I do all I can not to bring it into our home and my wife get it too. A few threads back, someone wrote how disgusting humans are...its so f'n true. My wife and I will keep our adjusted lifestyle behavior in motion, even when the big threat has passed. Maybe, just maybe we can even dramatically reduce head colds, sinus infection, etc., etc. Good luck and stay healthy.
Posted By: RWG75

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Well that just blows the whole it's Trump's fault narrative all to hell. laugh2


I'm sure an argument could be made for the Donald being part of the conspiracy. Ya know, maybe they made a deal.

As for the whole idea of biological based economic warfare, it's not the craziest thing I've ever heard and I've watched a lot of James Bond movies. Seems a bit excessive based on how China was already winning the economic fight but never underestimate greed. Only way to tell for sure is when the antidote comes to market and if it was developed by a shell company owned by the Chinese.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 01:05 PM


COVID-19 may be different and requires a re-think of when a ventilator should be used

Ventilators are overused for Covid-19 patients, doctors say - STAT

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In a letter last week in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, researchers in Germany and Italy said their Covid-19 patients were unlike any others with acute respiratory distress. Their lungs are relatively elastic (“compliant”), a sign of health “in sharp contrast to expectations for severe ARDS.” Their low blood oxygen might result from things that ventilators don’t fix. Such patients need “the lowest possible [air pressure] and gentle ventilation,” they said, arguing against increasing the pressure even if blood oxygen levels remain low. “We need to be patient.”

“We need to ask, are we using ventilators in a way that makes sense for other diseases but not for this one?” Gillick said. “Instead of asking how do we ration a scarce resource, we should be asking how do we best treat this disease?”

Researchers and clinicians on the front lines are trying. In a small study last week in Annals of Intensive Care, physicians who treated Covid-19 patients at two hospitals in China found that the majority of patients needed no more than a nasal cannula. Among the 41% who needed more intense breathing support, none was put on a ventilator right away. Instead, they were given noninvasive devices such as BiPAP; their blood oxygen levels “significantly improved” after an hour or two. (Eventually two of seven needed to be intubated.) The researchers concluded that the more comfortable nasal cannula is just as good as BiPAP and that a middle ground is as safe for Covid-19 patients as quicker use of a ventilator.

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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 01:34 PM

78% maybe feel no symptoms but still spread?

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-coronavirus-dont-symptomshere.html

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A recent study, published in the British Medical Journal, suggested that 78% of people with COVID-19 have no symptoms.

The findings are in line with research from an Italian village at the epicentre of the outbreak showing that 50%-75% were asymptomatic, but represented "a formidable source" of contagion.

A recent Icelandic study also showed that around 50% of those who tested positive to COVID-19 in a large-scale testing exercise were asymptomatic.

Meanwhile, a WHO report found that "80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe infections and 5% are critical infections." Though we don't know what proportion of that 80% were purely asymptomatic, or exactly how the cases were counted, it again points to a large majority of cases who are not going into hospital and being tested.
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Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 02:05 PM

Pennsylvania Social distancing.

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Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 02:11 PM

Morons. Taking a cue from Florida.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Morons. Taking a cue from Florida.



Pa was actually doing pretty good but this is the stupidest thing to ever do. Our peak week is just starting so they bump up fishing season to start earlier. Before this you would see a few guys fishing the rivers spread way apart doing so. Great way to get out of the house for awhile and be safe. This is idiotic.
Posted By: moparx

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 02:48 PM

i didn't throw anything in the water, therefor, i won't be "fishing" it out. biggrin
as of yesterday, all of pa's counties now have covid-19.
i'm SO glad................. mad flame panic
beer
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 03:21 PM

They say there are 6 confirmed cases here...1st was an elderly man in his 70's who has since passed.

Evidently they are trying to track each person's moves and are notifying people if they came in contact with this person. They don't release the persons name or where they were located or have been...

If they weren't at Lowe's or the market I'm good...Today is day 28 of staying home...it got old 26 days ago... shruggy

On the upside my home projects are getting caught up... up
Posted By: Runner2go

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Morons. Taking a cue from Florida.

It was the PA Governor that made the call yesterday out of the blue, to open up Trout season immediately.
So now you can fish... work shruggy
But State Cops will still give you a $25-$200 fine for violating his Stay-at-Home mandate for driving to & from your fishing spot.

How's that for a conflict of interest, public health... and yet another example of complete mental deficiency. spank
Posted By: RWG75

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Morons. Taking a cue from Florida.

It was the PA Governor that made the call yesterday out of the blue, to open up Trout season immediately.
So now you can fish... work shruggy
But State Cops will still give you a $25-$200 fine for violating his Stay-at-Home mandate for driving to & from your fishing spot.

How's that for a conflict of interest, public health... and yet another example of complete mental deficiency. spank


If I did fish I could probably walk to the lake down the hill. Except it's part of the state park system that is closed. Yes, they do have some entrances to parking areas and hiking trails closed with yellow accident tape type things.

Pondering that for a moment, I don't think the stay at home order is specifically a do not drive order. Ya could probably get that ticket for walking down the sidewalk because not at home.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Morons. Taking a cue from Florida.

It was the PA Governor that made the call yesterday out of the blue, to open up Trout season immediately.
So now you can fish... work shruggy
But State Cops will still give you a $25-$200 fine for violating his Stay-at-Home mandate for driving to & from your fishing spot.

How's that for a conflict of interest, public health... and yet another example of complete mental deficiency. spank


And here's an example of COVID-19 driven LEO overreach by local cops, and against a former State Trooper, no less.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...irus-restrictions/ar-BB12jHrV?li=BBnbfcL
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 04:47 PM

Has anyone found a site that shows demographics of ill populations (beside the few reported on news)?
On this website is a rust colored map of the united states that rolling over the states gives two interesting stats: cases per 100K and Deaths per 100k. Click-> Map
Cases per 100k appear to be a good indication of states with large population centers (deep South and East Seaboard) save for a few more rural States with unexpectedly high %/100k (Idaho, Tennessee), Unexpected sparsely populated states (Nevada, Colorado, Utah) may be because of the big population centers.
I'm curious and doubt it will be divulged if the high % are attributable to things like church attendance, not distancing, fishing from bridges wink. We know some high % were influenced by early pockets consisting of nursing homes cruise ship dockings etc.
It's becoming apparent the if a person is unhealthy it's best to stay isolated because if contracted there is a good chance with even lots of resources the outcome may not be good. Less aged/healthy people appear to be poised to ive through it. It's apparent it's going to be get through the surge, put more resources to discovering a vaccine and get it out into a high % of the population.
Infection cure chasing sure seems fruitless to ending this.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 10:15 PM

New York got infected mainly from Europe, shows RNA analysis of Coronavirus strains

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-coronavirus-nyc-february-europe.html

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“It's very interesting that so far, the majority seem to be coming from Europe, and this is in part I think because there was a focus on stopping travel from China," she said.

The findings also tie in with a spate of mysterious pneumonia cases that New York physicians were treating before large scale testing began in the city, she added.

Heguy and her team determined the viral sequences of 75 samples taken from the nasal swabs of patients at Tisch Hospital, NYU Winthrop Hospital and NYU Langone Hospital Brooklyn.

All organisms mutate over time, but so-called RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 introduce errors in each cycle of their replication.

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Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 10:28 PM

So in other words it get's weaker with each mutation?
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So in other words it get's weaker with each mutation?


Not necessarily. It just changes with each mutation. It's as likely to get weaker as it is to get stronger. But, if it gets too strong and kills too quickly, it will die out by itself as it doesn't have time to spread to more people.

It could even mutate to get even more infectious. But as we stay home and limit its spread, that means there are fewer jumps and fewer chances to mutate to make it stronger or weaker.

We just need everyone to stay home.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/08/20 11:33 PM

Israeli company claims their special cells helped 6 critically ill patients already on ventilators

https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...nt-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058

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Pluristem’s PLX cells are “allogeneic mesenchymal-like cells that have immunomodulatory properties,” meaning they induce the immune system’s natural regulatory T cells and M2 macrophages, the company explained in a previous release. The result could be the reversal of dangerous overactivation of the immune system. This would likely reduce the fatal symptoms of pneumonia and pneumonitis (general inflammation of lung tissue).

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Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 02:13 AM

Re: the mutations. This may be why there have been reports of various types of damaged human parts and systems.

From The Lancet

Quote : Not only capable of causing pneumonia, COVID-19 may also cause damage to other organs such as the heart, the liver, and the kidneys, as well as to organ systems such as the blood and the immune system.
Patients eventually die of multiple organ failure, shock, acute respiratory distress syndrome, heart failure, arrhythmias, and renal failure.
We should therefore pay attention to potential multi-organ injuries and the protection and prevention thereof in the treatment of COVID-19.

This is why a one shoe fits all approach to treatment of infection symptoms does not work. As above, stay in, wait for a safe and effective vaccine. Keep in mind the more people (currently 430k+) that get infected the more opportunity for mutations. The tide is turning, lets not let it get out of hand by going back to "usual" activities, The Doctors will ultimately figure it out, hopefully before it mutated to where they need to start over. It's like catching a rat, got to get it cornered.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:15 AM

Sure, everyone will just stay locked up in their homes until a vaccine is available hopefully by this time next year, and with the economy shut down.
No problem!
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:47 AM

Typical polar opposite.
Many people will be able to return to work. Some will work from home, some will have the anti-bodies from infection they knew or did not know they had, others may be in low exposure areas. Who wants to throw reasonableness and caution to the wind and volunteer to go back to how things were, lets say, during the period of thanksgiving through the holidays up to about the superbowl? We simply can't pack stadiums, race tracks, fairgrounds, shopping malls, etc. by , lets say Easter. Any volunteers? Even rather mundane activities of going to family gatherings, your doctor or dentist appointments, take in a movie, or go to a casino may cost one their lives. Or, if enough venture out and the virus takes off again (and mutates). Once the huge amount of active infections get throttled back can society dabble with a new normality. Some people lay pretty much low to begin with. Think of the elderly in the rest homes and the visitor or employee of the place that brings the illness in. I bet there is more screening of workers in the future. Could a contractor or steel building, bridge, water or wastewater construction project proceed if infection spread within the ranks of the workers, factory, assembly line work, stock market floor?
I believe the 1918 pandemic ran 3 years and killed 50m in the world 657k in the US, at that time the population of the US was 103m now its 331m. One can do the math. It's time to get back to work, likely in a new way.
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 04:22 AM

So what? Hide in your house forever?
No. I'm not sick, nobody that I know is sick. I'm not a smoker, I have normal blood pressure, I'm not 70 years old. My parents are in their 80s and they are not worried, My dad is a retired Pharmacist too. He isn't buying into the hype because he isn't swayed by false stats and doomsayers.
For some, a life indoors seems to suit them just fine. That is not the case for most others outside of this forum.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 04:36 AM

So you wont stay inside like order to .. you would prefer to go out and infect others even tho you
feel fine
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Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 04:51 AM

That's laughable. Many people live pretty much social distanced day in and day out. My day consisted of shop work in the morning, then after 11 am lunch, garden, red diesel run for tractors and heating, mowing lawns until 6 with a walk behind until 6pm.
Note the numbers in my post, and compare them to 1918. I can't imagine they had good distribution of information back then or a good understanding of virus life cycle. I also imagine it mutated and perhaps re-infection occurred. I've walked through historic cemetery's, it is mind boggling to see entire family plots filled in 1, 2 or 3 years with people of all ages.
There is a good chance the toll would be incomprehensible (and include my and your family and friends) should no shut down have occurred.
IIrc, any self employed can continue their work with their family members in their facilities. Problem is most people have become dependent on other people to give them a livelihood. Here many businesses are deemed essential and almost all are looking for employees. It's a little unsettling but low odds of getting the virus here as there are few (3) infected. I see the county where Phoenix lies has 1,559 coronavirus cases with 37 deaths (in 4.5m? people) w/o sheltering wouldn't that number be much bigger?
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
So you wont stay inside like order to .. you would prefer to go out and infect others even tho you
feel fine
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You can't infect people if YOU are not infected. How long do you think an infection hangs around waiting to show itself? I've been working from home for over three weeks and my health has not changed at all, same with the Wife.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:07 AM

I would take that as a blessing. Testing many, many people is an alternative to Social Distancing. For whatever reason Testing is just now gaining steam.

Quote From the Los Angles Times today:

"The country first fell behind when a test designed by scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was found in early February to be flawed. Federal officials then prevented universities, hospitals, companies and local public health labs from designing their own alternative tests. Those rules, set by the Food and Drug Administration, stayed in place until frustration boiled over and officials began to reverse them on Feb. 29."
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:25 AM

I'm glad you find this humorous.. where I live there's 20k cases and 1000 dead and still on the rise..
I'm in my shop every day working on my stuff and I'd love to be out in my hot rod but
I'm still at home.. I guess I will just wait
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 12:11 PM

The original idea of
“Shelter in place”
Was to reduce the peak number of infected people, or
“Flatten the curve”
So that the hospitals would not run out of ventilators for the sickest of the sick, which assumes that ventilators would “save” large numbers of people.

Now we know that 90% put on ventilators still die, just after 10 to 20 days of “near torture”.

Now we also suspect that there may be better survival just with oxygen or a C-Pap style mask.

So should we continue to “shelter in place” and “social distancing ?

To me the only reason is
“waiting for the discovery of a combination of drugs that REALLY helps the most critically ill not die.

This also includes getting those newly discovered drugs to each hospital.

If we are unlucky and do not discover those drug combinations soon,
we ought to let the young go back to work
and tell just the old to shelter in place voluntarily.

I am not against letting the old “just take their chances” on dying.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 12:41 PM

I found this interview with 2 health experts and a famous economist to be very interesting. It’s 1-1/2 hours so not a quick view, but interesting and enlightening perspectives if you have the time
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A7GtUE5sx-Y
From my personal experience I can already see the strain on people I know after only a month. On a teleconference yesterday and other interactions I can tell one of the guys in my team is starting to lose it. And another was definitely under some duress.
My back is already hurting me from sitting in an inadequate chair 8+ hours a day. I dragged a kitchen chair upstairs and put some pillows on it to help, and it’s the best I’m going to get, but wish I was back in my ergonomic chair at the office.
At some point soon, a plan needs to be made to get life somewhat back to normal, indefinite lock up is not realistic.
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 12:46 PM

Not quite sure where I stand on this...On one hand I've been sheltering in place and doing what was recommended for 29 days...

On the other hand I tend to think that those who have contracted Covid 19 and survived may have developed antibodies that will help them through future disease's...

I don't get sick...I've never had a flu vaccination...I don't catch "colds"...I take no medicine for anything...Never have...

I have manageable allergies in the spring and fall that require no medication...Outside of the occasional Advil after a long day of hard work I take no pills...

I've done what was asked due to those around me that may not be as fortunate...but it's getting old...

I have worked from home for about 4 years so nothing there has changed...Used to run the news and TV in the background but not anymore.

The only trips "out" have been to the market and to Lowe's for materials to work on the house and yard...

The only two things I have found that actually "help" get through this is to turn off the TV and go outside and work on something...

None of the rest of it matters at that point...
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 01:36 PM

Trial of IV Zinc

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-world-first-trial-benefit-intravenous-zinc.html

Sample quote

Dr. Patel said studies have shown that zinc is very effective at slowing the rate that similar viruses such as SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) and common cold (a type of coronavirus) replicate in the body.

"Our published studies have also shown that high doses of zinc can protect vital organs such as the heart, kidneys and liver against the damage caused by a lack of oxygen," Dr. Patel said.

The clinical trial has been fast-tracked to test whether receiving a daily injection of zinc chloride will benefit patients with coronavirus.

End quote

I used the over the counter zinc nasal spray “snot” Zicam for colds and thought it helped.
It was taken off the market when a small percentage of users temporarily lost their sense of smell.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31388177/...cause-loss-smell-fda-warns/#.Xo8lSC8pChA
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 01:37 PM

Omega 3 fish oil also aids organs in low oxygen levels.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 02:01 PM

You know you could order a chair online and have it shipped to your house. No need to suffer with a crappy chair.
Posted By: RWG75

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger

And here's an example of COVID-19 driven LEO overreach by local cops, and against a former State Trooper, no less.


I think the cops were technically right at the beginning of this stupidity. The state parks around me are closed, this park was likely posted because it was clearly empty. Depends on the state as many of them specifically allow outdoor exorcise under the stay at home order. I think the cops were also clearly bored out of their mind as 3 cops in 2 cruisers responded.

I also think "over reach" is an under statement. 3 cops can't eject one adult and one child from a park? Toss him the cruiser for declining to show his papers? Maybe radio the supervisor before doing that instead of after? Is it really that hard for the cops to be happy they don't have actual crimes to deal with?

Moving on to a couple life after c-19 musings:

Post 911 airport security changed big time and many of those changes filtered down to government buildings. Some of it clearly beyond what a typical person would consider likely. I mean does the carry on luggage scanner actually have the ability to detect explosives in my shoes? Makes me wonder what sort of medical screening will become common place at TSA check points.

I've long been an advocate of work at home, aka telecommuting, in part because I did it for many years. Maybe this event will be a wake up call to the way companies do business now that they've been forced to foray in to it. Office buildings are a necessity when all you've got is typewriters, pneumatic message tubes and flip chart presentations. In the age of email, power point, webinars and video conferencing not so much. I have no doubt that there are large number of people in their underwear doing the exact same thing they were doing in their office and embracing not sitting in traffic for an hour to do it.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 02:15 PM

I guess it's somewhat understandable how some people living outside the areas that have been hardest hit can be skeptical of all the COVID-19 hysteria. Maybe this animated graph below will help put things into perspective for those that can't see why this is such a big deal. Look how fast our numbers rose from the second week of March until now. eek

Animated timeline graph of COVID-19 cases by country

The undeniable fact is the number of cases we have now dwarfs those in other countries including China by exponentially large margins. Our new infection and death rates continue to rise daily at an unchecked rate.

And it's no longer just cities that are taking the brunt of the epidemic as our rural areas are starting to see a sharp rise in cases. Many of those smaller hospitals are not equipped to handle an outbreak like this so it's probably going to start looking real bad in some outlying areas should people keep ignoring the warnings to stay home.

Perhaps the thing to be aware of is that despite having almost half a million confirmed cases of the virus and a resultant death toll that literally doubles every day we currently still have no nationally coordinated response to the outbreak. You may not think we need one but one can argue that's part of the reason we are in the position we are right now. We are certainly capable of doing whatever would be necessary to turn things around but for whatever reason it hasn't happened. Take that for what it's worth.

The standard argument is that we are not a country like China that is 'governed' a harsh, communist regime whose leaders control the population like puppets. However, acting in a singular-minded way they were able to mitigate the spread of the virus effectively. Not so much here. We foolishly continue to doubt the severity of the pandemic, deny scientific facts and blame anyone else but ourselves. shruggy
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 02:27 PM

Great! We're the top of the heap. Wrong heap.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:06 PM

According to the intelligence agency in Taiwan, COVID cases on the mainland are at least three times higher than official reports.

USA spy network in mainland China was nearly wiped out a few years ago.
There is an eye opening Wall Street Journal article on it. Iran is involved in this.

More than 17 years ago Taiwan spies showed CIA detailed plans of all of USA nuclear warhead designs and said they had got them from their spy work in mainland China.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:25 PM

If you are at home and become short of breath

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/cicelysaunders/resources/khp-gp-breathlessness-resource.pdf

From

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-people-breathlessness-home-covid-.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:33 PM

DIY oxygen concentrator using lithium from batteries

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-cost-effective-oxygen.html

Sample quote

The problem is that Lithium X-zeolite is expensive and only highly specialized companies offer this material. Stark and his team have therefore produced the microporous material themselves from a desiccant—a drying agent—and lithium batteries—at home in their spare rooms that they converted into makeshift research laboratories. Stark and his team have calculated that three good laptop batteries can produce enough Lithium for a patient ward.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:35 PM

At risk of COVID-19
Then exercise at least 5 days per week

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-immune.html

Sample quote

"Exercise has anti-inflammatory benefits and promotes cellular repair, cell production and producing immune cells that help you fight off disease," he said.

In a study of 1,002 adults published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine in 2011, people who exercised at least five times a week cut their risk of colds by nearly half compared to people who were largely sedentary. Many of those who did get sick had less severe symptoms.

End quote
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:49 PM

Flu and military decisions in 1918

https://www.realclearinvestigations...h_run_viral_in_the_great_war_123047.html

Sample quote

Wilson’s closest adviser, Cary T. Grayson, happened to be a medical doctor. Barry suggests that Grayson is the one who convinced the president to confront his army chief of staff about the disease felling the ranks. In early October 1918, Wilson met with Gen. Peyton March at the White House. The president said, “General March, I have had representations sent to me by men whose ability and patriotism are unquestioned that I should stop the shipment of men to France until the epidemic of influenza is under control.”

The general responded, “Every such soldier who has died [of influenza] just as surely played his part as his comrade who died in France.”

That may not have been the soundest military practice. For every soldier who showed up in France debilitated by the flu, others had to care for him. Sending more troops when many of those troops were sick only reduced the power and readiness of American forces in Europe. The epidemic “rendered hundreds of thousands of military personnel non-effective,” Carol R. Byerly wrote in the journal “Public Health Reports.” “During the American Expeditionary Forces' campaign at Meuse-Argonne, the epidemic diverted urgently needed resources from combat support to transporting and caring for the sick and the dead.”

Wilson let General March have his way.

Some 16,000 American troops died of disease in Europe, on top of the 30,000 who succumbed in stateside training camps.

Snip

It’s not that there wasn’t a federal public health service. It just did very little for the public. Wilson had signed an executive order in 1917, putting the health service under military control. Resources that might have mitigated the suffering on the home front in 1918 went to the army. Perhaps the most important resource, nurses, were in short supply when the influenza epidemic began to spread. Barry writes that hospitals had been stripped of their most essential workers and that “many private hospitals around the country [were] so short staffed that they closed, and remained closed until the war ended.”
Snip

One might argue that Wilson had a war to win and couldn’t afford to get distracted by anything so pedestrian as the flu. But other wartime leaders recognized the threat diseases pose. On July 4, 1775, George Washington, newly made commander of the Continental Army, instituted a regime of social distancing to keep smallpox from spreading among his soldiers. There was a quarantined smallpox hospital near a pond near Cambridge, Mass. Washington made the pond off limits. “No person is to be allowed to go to fresh-water pond a fishing or on any other occasion as there may be a danger of introducing the smallpox into the army.” It was one of the first orders Washington issued, and he never lost sight of the threat epidemics posed to soldiers and civilians alike. The man who would become the first president urged his fellow Founders to have “the utmost vigilance against this most dangerous enemy.”

End quote

Smallpox had an effect on the failure to conquer Canada during the Revolutionary War
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 03:55 PM

Regardless of whether China lies about the number of people infected there is irrelevant because currently we are the most infected country in the world by a long shot. What's the point of disputing that? So what if China claims 82K cases but really has 820K? Does that affect whats happening here?

Whats astonishing is that we continue to find excuses for inaction and pretend it's not a big deal. What is it going to take to change that mindset?
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 04:00 PM

Completely shutting down the largest economy in the world and telling everyone to stay in their houses indefinitely is inaction? confused
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 04:07 PM

Pennsylvania Governor just canceled school for the rest of the year. It’s ok to fish side by side but we gotta cancel school. Lol.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 04:19 PM

3 subspecies of virus now circulating

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

Article does not say which is “milder”
just attempts to trace paths of infection
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mastershake340
Completely shutting down the largest economy in the world and telling everyone to stay in their houses indefinitely is inaction? confused


There won't be any economy if enough people keep getting sick and dying.

But OK, to your point - 75% of the states in the union currently have "some" form of restrictive stay-at-home policies but no complete lockdown. There are STILL 6-7 states that currently have few to no stay-at home restrictions including states that border others with high rates of confirmed infections. That's inaction becuase social distancing has proved to be an effective method of slowing the spread of the virus. PA fishing notwithstanding...

Can you say that those places that didn't make people stay home are doing 'better' economically than the hard hit spots? Maybe for the time being but the virus has shown to pop up in waves in different places. What happens when those places with lax social distancing policies sees infection rates rise quickly and have to scramble for resources?

If we had an early, coordinated response at the Federal level using the resources and manpower available to it to first acknowledge then confront and ultimately control the spread of the virus we would be a much better place than we are right now. I would also call that "inaction".

Should we have had a national stay-at-home order in early March? I believe so. That would have been definitive action. Clearly there are those who do not think that would have been a good idea. IMO, we are paying for that dice roll right now.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:23 PM

The economies in countries that have done little social distancing are still getting hit pretty hard.

So we basically have two options:
1. Social distance to save a bunch of lives, and have a bad economy for a while.
2. Don't social distance, lose a whole bunch more lives, and have a bad economy for a while.

shruggy

If we had done a strict nationwide distancing in early March, we could have probably snuffed out what virus we had, which would have given us time to ramp up our testing and contact tracing abilities. Then we possibly could have loosened general restrictions while restricting/isolating new arrivals.

But we didn't.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:41 PM

2 NIH trials begin

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-remdesivir-treat-covid-19-begins

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...oquine-potential-therapy-covid-19-begins

Hope a trial of Japanese Fujifilm’s favipiravir (Avigan) begins too

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...9-us-trial-of-japanese-flu-drug-to-treat
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:45 PM

North Carolina contributes

https://abc11.com/antibody-test-for-covid-19-ohio-kit-cellex-stock-coronavirus/6087453/
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 05:47 PM

Mastershake340, I'm a guy that likes to explore all options to fix problems (Engineer). Unfortunately Science and virus life cycle mutations are throwing curve-balls. Will you peel off the onion layers you present in your posts and outline how you feel the shutdown should be repealed?

I'll add that I think this shutdown has had some beneficial outfall:

1) More cleanliness will reduce disease transmission.
2) People may save $ for a rainy day.
3) Governments will build relationships with other Governments.
4) People will place higher expectations on their Government.
5) Climate benefits (many people of India are seeing the Himalayas for the first time).
6) Restoring peoples sense of community.
7) Restoring a more simplified lifestyle less encumbered by unnecessary luxuries.
8) Self reliance
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 06:31 PM

I’m an engineer too and I’ve gotten frustrated by the fact that people are getting all up in arms and forming strong opinions when in fact we are in a situation where to tell the truth “nobody knows nothing”. The facts and data change by the day, if not hour, for example for the last month we’ve been hearing “why don’t we have enough ventilators? If we’d taken this seriously in January we could have built 10s of thousands of ventilators and headed off this problem! First off, as an engineer in manufacturing I can say you can’t just start spitting out tens of thousands of a complex machines overnight, or even over the course of months, especially when the supply chain is in shambles and we’ve sadly come to rely on one “bad actor” country I won’t name here for many critical components.
Then we hear New York, the hardest hit area so far hasn’t had a shortage of ventilators. And now it’s coming out that ventilators aren’t that effective for critical patients. So all the screaming and hand wringing about ventilators might well have been misguided.
At this point there is still a lot more unknown than known. We don’t even know the numbers of people infected, so death rates and critical case %s are at best an educated guess, and at worst a WAG. Could be 3%, I’ve seen other estimates it’s under 1%.
We won’t know until the future after the dust has settled.
Confucius said something to the effect that a wise man is not wise because of how much he knows, but because he realizes how much he doesn’t know.
Maybe my irritation and frustration is from being constantly bombarded by hearing people who are so far from wise.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 06:44 PM

The urgency of this issue has caused a lot of the problem. It’s like suddenly discovering your house is on fire. Maybe you grab an extinguisher first, or maybe you grab the phone, or maybe you just run.

But you don’t do nothing. We are reacting in what seems like a prudent manner, with foresight. We don’t have a lot of hindsight, yet.

And thankfully people aren’t dropping dead on every corner, so maybe our actions are good, or maybe the bug isn’t as deadly as we think it might be.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mastershake340
I’m an engineer too and I’ve gotten frustrated by the fact that people are getting all up in arms and forming strong opinions when in fact we are in a situation where to tell the truth “nobody knows nothing”. The facts and data change by the day, if not hour, for example for the last month we’ve been hearing “why don’t we have enough ventilators? If we’d taken this seriously in January we could have built 10s of thousands of ventilators and headed off this problem!


The one fact we can all understand is that there is no cure for this virus and that if you get it, you could die. I'll refer you to the animated graph I posted earlier. Watch our number of cases go up from March 10 to now. If you need evidence of how serious this situation is here in our country, that would be it. In one month we went from a couple thousand cases to a half million. That's not just in one locale either, it's everywhere including rural areas.

The arguments about equipment are real. Now, no one place needs 30,000 ventilators all at one time but there very well may be more populated places that need 15 to 20K. You are correct that these things don't grow on trees. But, if there was a federally coordinated system that could verify nationwide inventory and then facilitate quick distribution to the places that need them most, don't you think that would be worthwhile? It would definitely help to ease people's minds (both medical and patients) to know that should the need arise, they will be taken care of.

The PPE stuff is also a really bad situation. The government could have asked our biggest manufacturers that make any number of other things to tool up and start making gowns, masks gloves visors etc. Some have stepped up voluntarily but if it was a federal mandate to start making this stuff so our medical care personnel can do their job without worrying about getting infected, things might look a little different and the hysteria over all this equipment might be a little less worrisome. Save for ventilators, masks, gowns, gloves etc. are generally single use only but the medical care people and first repsonders are being put into a situation where they have to re-use this stuff sometimes for days and weeks. Having that stuff readily available would prevent some number of new infections.

For me, the major problem with this epidemic is that there was straight up denial at the highest level of government for weeks while the virus spread unchecked. It's hard to say what could have or should have been done but one has to imagine that pushing the idea that this was something that wouldn't affect us was a gross miscalculation and irresponsible to say the least.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 08:02 PM

That’s a very good analogy. It certainly wouldn’t be constructive at the time to scream at your wife that if she’d changed the smoke detector batteries last fall during time change like the fire department recommends, maybe we would have caught the fire early enough to put out!
Although a pandemic isn’t something that was never considered before with no planning done, it hasn’t been something at the top of anyone’s triage list for awhile, and therefore we are dealing with it on the fly and the response is far from perfect. It appears that the last time it was a big focus was 15 years ago.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1283304/
I wish people would panic less however and maybe step away from the news a little. Bottom line is that there is over a 99% chance you won’t die of this. I get the impression many think there is a 99% chance of dying of it. I’d rather have a 100% chance of not dying to be sure, but I’m not willing to cower in my basement for the next year hiding from the world to achieve that 100% metric either.
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 08:21 PM

The fact is that government can’t do anything well so if you enjoy complaining, your local, county, state and federal governments will never let you down! Mayor of LA didn’t cancel their marathon a month ago, mayor of NY was telling people to go out to eat at a Chinese restaurant around the same time, so to point the finger at just the feds for being short sighted, is short sighted, in retrospect everyone dropped the ball. Which is easy to say in hindsight.
I sure hope when all is said and done, we rethink our supply chain. Given our dependence on Asia, I don’t know how quickly we could have ramped up PPE production even if our government was run by perfect individuals many naively think exist. I guarantee that even US manufacturers use foreign sourced material to assemble their product. A 3M mask likely has foreign made filtering material even if it’s assembled here.
I’m more than a little biased on the subject, I lost a job I’d had for 14 years when my then employer started moving production offshore. Shut down plants in US and Canada, put a lot of my friends and respected colleagues out of work too. Happened at thousands of companies over the last 2 decades.
One can hope one good change will be a rethinking of this issue and shifting production of critical items back here. twocents
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 10:31 PM

All very good points. I think we were on a course to bring more manufacturing back here, or at least keep it here. If one good thing comes out of this I hope it is that we become more self reliant and the big corporations take a second look at chasing every last penny of profit. Wishful thinking I know but something has to change. Corporate greed has gone on long enough. When is enough, enough? Do you really need to make $5 billion instead of $4 billion?
Don't get me wrong I'm not a wealth redistribution advocate or anything like that but greed is greed.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 10:50 PM

I appreciate to see meaningful exchange. Knowing there are many ways to get through this there are a few things we do know about the virus and how we got here. I wonder if we have the best possible (a'la dream team) working on on our behalf. Our government is in flux pared down with many positions vacated, replaced, and void of experience. The country is bigger than the biggest businesses, we all own a stake and as an owner I'm concerned.
Ever think how much ford was awarded to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days and GM gets a $490m for ventilators. How many will we ultimately need? Seems many thought we would need many, many. Who made the original projections and did sheltering substantially reduce the amount of ventilators needed?
We seem to have bought into drug therapy that many medical reports and patient outcome say was fruitless.
The virus will run it's course taking many more. If we relax and return to the ways of old the virus will resurge. Perhaps we need to relax, but with a new model. Reduce capacity of restaurants, theaters, busses, airplanes, etc., anywhere people are in close proximity. The tough thing will be to stop people that are sick from going out into public places.
It is ironic you mention supply chain. I think the first place we as a country should look is our food supply. It could be tragic to have our food supply interrupted. Had the virus taken off 3 months earlier, and if field workers were infected we'd be in a very different situation right now. As it is I feel pretty certain with good planning and vision we can recover. The thing we as a people need to start thinking of is what is important. How do the citizenry use their power to get back quality goods and get rid of design obsolescence. Probably a good time to start thinking about how did we get into the situation of contracts for phones, tv, etc. Bare cupboards seem the norm, at homes, and also in our agencies.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 11:01 PM

What is the most glaring thing that we are short of in our “national stockpile” ?

Food

We ought to have three or more years of food.

I hope the whole
“what should be in our stockpiles”
question gets a hard eyed review.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 11:06 PM

There will always be people that live beyond their means, there will always be people that live pay check to pay check, there will always be poor people. It's a fact of life now and it won't change. People were more self sufficient in the past but that time has come and gone. Even Jesus said "you will always have the poor among you."
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mastershake340
Completely shutting down the largest economy in the world and telling everyone to stay in their houses indefinitely is inaction? confused


Thank you for having the sense and the guts to write this.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/09/20 11:29 PM

Wow, that zoomed right over your head. Talk about cherry picking, the cherry trees are blooming here. Absolutely beautiful. You should see it.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 12:39 AM

The food situation could be part of the 2020 new deal. Rather than funneling huge amounts of $ through layers of profit-taking to make roads black perhaps the concept of co-operative farming should be explored. Instead of handing out money to those without jobs let them earn it. Quit subsidizing tobacco, and other corporate owned endeavors and instead invest in getting people off their can.
This virus laid upon a handicapped economy has created the situation we need to not go down the same path we know does not work.
I shudder to think about home values and low interest. Homes are selling for twice their construction cost and people are paying for their homes padded with the cost of last years entertainment and dinners out. I cannot figure how young families are going to get out of the rut of the past few years and the chasm of cv19.
Sure, I digress and drift, I worked hard and know what worked for me and I do not see society poised to move forward without attaching themselves to the hard workers that live with few luxuries.
Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Originally Posted by Mastershake340
Completely shutting down the largest economy in the world and telling everyone to stay in their houses indefinitely is inaction? confused


Thank you for having the sense and the guts to write this.



Everyone? Not quite.

And the efforts took far longer to get to this point than it should have. It was "a hoax", before it was a Pandemic, remember?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html

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Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 01:56 AM

Well those states should get with the program!
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Well those states should get with the program!


Or told up front

"Piss Poor planning on your part does not make it an Emergency on My part!".

Then when they get the double tap of this virus and come crying 'We Need your help....." [crickets chirping]
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 03:07 AM

I guess I can take some comfort in knowing that I have better things in life to get upset about than the fact that a handful of low population states haven’t issued stay in home orders. It’s not like people from North Dakota and Wyoming are wandering the country as modern day Typhoid Marys spreading Covid 19 to urban areas. eyes
It’s been determined that the virus’s hotspot in the US, New York City, was seeded by travelers arriving from Italy. But let’s not let that fact get in the way of anyone pushing their thinly veiled political agendas.
The item at the top of my upset list is my moms assisted living place, which is near me in Evanston IL. I posted here early in this thread that several residents there were diagnosed. Just heard a few minutes ago a 3rd resident passed away out of 6 residents diagnosed at this point. angel Also one nurse has tested positive.
Since it’s been a month since their first several cases were diagnosed, I’d like to think her facility has got things under control to the best degree that is possible given that so many similar types facilities have seen a couple cases blow up to dozens of cases within a week. Nevertheless the situation has given me a lot to worry about.
16000 cases diagnosed here in IL so far with over 500 deceased. But they did just say that numbers are showing signs of leveling out here, which gives some hope.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 04:25 AM

I found it difficult to monitor the various data offered for cases. At first there were few tests and lack of reports. As tests became available better data appeared, and many areas had no test kits (as here where I live). Now more places have tests, but reporting is not always current. i.e. here in California cases fall over the weekend and then go back up and exceed the previous weeks numbers. These lags, and now reports of decreased testing beg the question if all cases are being reported. Until a trend develops, consistent reporting and there is a leveling off and a fall of new cases with a corresponding increase of demise (for a short period) will the actual crest have happened WITH sheltering. If people lax off too soon on sheltering (I feel this is why the date in early May (1 or 3) was selected) the trend may run flat, or even increase for awhile. I've only monitored California and I am seeing an increasing trend over the past 4 days. More days will tell for sure. It will be equally interesting to see what happens in those locales with no shelter orders and also if there are Easter gatherings. Also age specific demographics of ill and deaths will be interesting, but doubtful if public would be given access. I'm also curious as to if testing of more people would be helpful in relaxing shelter orders if it shows many people with no or slight (un diagnosed) cv19 exist in the general population.
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 06:44 AM

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We foolishly continue to doubt the severity of the pandemic, deny scientific facts and blame anyone else but ourselves


Mayor's didn't act & Governor's didn't act early on. But they very-well COULD HAVE. But NO: stayed deaf-dumb-blind til the 23rd hour.
Then all you heard was "where's the federal gov'nt? Tell us what to do Etc. Etc. Some didn't "dare" take any type of civil-action early on: Fear of the legal aspects. No that the Sh1t hits the fan: they willing to take those actions. Didn't want to be "dictated to" early on & now "cry" for help. Stupid (i.e. inaction) started at the bottom.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 10:48 AM

The theory of whether a state should isolate with a lockdown depended on:

1. Did that state have enough ICU beds for the fraction of their state population that was at risk, and enough staff and supplies for those ICU beds? ( with 20/20 hindsight Utah and Wyoming for example might not needed a lockdown, but New York and New Jersey were not)

2. Do we isolate as a State for a period long enough for researchers to come up with drugs and treatments that reduce the fatality rate to some acceptable level, say like that of the average fatality rate for +60 year olds getting yearly influenza?

We cannot reduce the risk of death by epidemic to zero. We cannot take to zero all risk of death outside of disease either.

People do not like to talk about it but we need to set a price each year for what it is worth spending to reduce the loss of one year of life. Once set as a price, spend the money on the “low hanging fruit” to compassionately save the most “lost years of life.”

Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 11:02 AM

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

12 months from now the column in the above table for
Deaths per One Million population
Should be examined.
The 25 States that are higher than average should reform
by studying the States or foreign countries that did better.

In the case of COVID-19
perhaps a new column
Deaths of +60 year olds per million
should be used.

About two years ago I was a little shocked to learn that KY had the highest yearly death rate for 80 year olds and HI the lowest.
Notice that KY has the 2nd highest “Confirmed case fatality percentage” for COVID at 5.44% even though the total deaths is only 79.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by PhillyRag
Quote
We foolishly continue to doubt the severity of the pandemic, deny scientific facts and blame anyone else but ourselves


Mayor's didn't act & Governor's didn't act early on. But they very-well COULD HAVE. But NO: stayed deaf-dumb-blind til the 23rd hour.
Then all you heard was "where's the federal gov'nt? Tell us what to do Etc. Etc. Some didn't "dare" take any type of civil-action early on: Fear of the legal aspects. No that the Sh1t hits the fan: they willing to take those actions. Didn't want to be "dictated to" early on & now "cry" for help. Stupid (i.e. inaction) started at the bottom.


eyes So now "leadership" comes from the bottom up? In what universe? This is a national crisis dude. Things that happen on a national level require a federal response. Generally, in a leadership hierarchy the lower levels take their cues from the top. From day one of this crisis there has been little to no coherent guidance or any semblance of coordinated, definitive action from the top. Pretending the "Chinese Virus" is nothing to worry about and hoping it just goes away when it gets warmer out is the exact opposite of what an appropriate response would have been.

Please explain who you refer to that is crying for help that didn't want to be dictated to? In fact, the exact opposite scenario is true. No national stay-at-home-order, well I'm not going to lock down my state! Think about the last stay-at-home holdouts, they were all waiting like puppies to be told to shut things down and some still have not. Maybe they get lucky and are spared from becoming overwhelmed but that does not seem likely given how this virus has spread to everywhere so quickly. Those states that acted in their own self interest decided they better do something since no one form the top was telling them what to do.

How do you feel about the decision made two years ago to dismantle our national pandemic response office? Think that was a good idea? Seems like that could have been a useful thing to have right now. shruggy
Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 01:55 PM

While the vulnerable populations are isolated, they should have let healthy people go back to work. Keep the distancing and other restrictions in place. Let the healthy who won't be symptomatic get the virus and get over it. All we've done is kick the can. The overwhelming majority aren't symptomatic or have limited impact from the virus. Once restrictions start rolling back May 1st, people you'll start to see the 2nd wave. Healthy people will end up giving to vulnerable people or those that care for vulnerable people. The only hope in limiting the death impact, is treatment. You're not going to avoid the transmission of the virus. This has been grossly mishandled.

A cool paper came out yesterday that shows a lot of promise. A study done with over 1000 patients. The result?


The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, is a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5% in older patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagiosity in most cases.

https://www.mediterranee-infection....qxIUYZ0KQClkrqaoxZLUnH1IHYyD7IIeVR2d9Mdg

Everyone should use the summer to get their health in order. Lose weight, exercise and get sun light. You have to build your body to fight the next iteration of this and other virus's. The data is clear that the overwhelming, as in 80%+ of patients who have serious issues, suffer from other co-morbidities. Which you do have an impact on with your eating and exercise habits. The combo of doing that with medication should make this an after thought going forward.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 02:27 PM

You make a good point of saying let it run it's course. Keep in mind the caveat of hospital capacity to handle the peak and also with higher numbers of infected the more variants will present.. I've found no data of age profile of hospitalizations and we know there are at least two strains with different manifestations.
Even running it's course there will be more than one returns of this virus.
It is right to attempt to limit the amount of infected at any given time and it's good to quickly develop a vaccine.
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR


How do you feel about the decision made two years ago to dismantle our national pandemic response office? Think that was a good idea? Seems like that could have been a useful thing to have right now. shruggy


Another half truth... whistling

Since everything is "top down" as you put it...why do individual states have their own laws and their own control over what happens in their state?

Thx to those who contribute honestly but this has turned into...

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Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by skicker
Originally Posted by RMCHRGR


How do you feel about the decision made two years ago to dismantle our national pandemic response office? Think that was a good idea? Seems like that could have been a useful thing to have right now. shruggy


Another half truth... whistling

Since everything is "top down" as you put it...why do individual states have their own laws and their own control over what happens in their state?

Thx to those who contribute honestly but this has turned into...


It's a shame that for some, the expectations as to the basic role of government have been lowered so dramatically that there is almost no expectation at all. And then to vehemently defend that? What does that prove? I've said this before and it bears repeating - the virus does not care if you are a tree-hugging liberal, bible-thumping conservative or a rural Chinese peasant. Once that sinks in, nothing else should matter to anyone except trying to figure out how to stop it so we can all go back to hating each other without worrying about getting sick or dying.

Again, this is a national crisis, not a local one. A national crisis should be met with an appropriate federal response since states may or may not have the resources, manpower, mobilization and coordination ability that the federal government does. What's the point of disputing whether that is true or not?

But just for argument's sake, read below and let us know what you think about it.

Snopes: Did Trump fire the Pandmeic Team?

Published 26 February 2020
Updated 13 March 2020

Claim

The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.

Rating
True

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Amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

The claim came from a series of tweets posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp criticism from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had ill-prepared the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon.

Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China.

But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration. And as the CDC told FactCheck.org, the cuts were ultimately avoided because Congress provided other funding.

On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place.

Fortune reported of the issue that:

The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].
Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by srt
You make a good point of saying let it run it's course. Keep in mind the caveat of hospital capacity to handle the peak and also with higher numbers of infected the more variants will present.. I've found no data of age profile of hospitalizations and we know there are at least two strains with different manifestations.
Even running it's course there will be more than one returns of this virus.
It is right to attempt to limit the amount of infected at any given time and it's good to quickly develop a vaccine.


There is data on age profile and death, I know that isn't hospitalizations. My point is that the healthy population isn't having to go to the hospital. Health population defined as under 50 with no preexisting conditions that have been identified. You need them getting the virus and getting over it before the populations "returns". All we've done by isolating everyone is ensure a 2nd curve will happen. The only thing that might offset that are all the various distance/cleaning measures combined with warm temperatures.

The sad part is people that totally ignore the unintended consequences from quarantine. Domestic violence is up 20% in multiple large cities across the country. Those with mental health/anxiety issues are really struggling as well. It's harder to understand those impacts vs get a virus and die. Although the odds of that happens are so limited. I'd love to see the data pulled apart. I'd want to see how many people outside of hospitals for other things, long term car facilities and rest homes are actually dying. I have a feeling parsed out, it would be a fraction of a percent.
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 04:29 PM

Snopes... pity

Exactly why your statement is a half truth...

Read around a little...

What happened to the budget for the CDC?

Problem with too many people is they believe everything as soon as they read it...some may verify it's authenticity...some may not...

Others will read several articles considering the slant in each and then make a informed decision for themselves...

This is where something as simple as common sense comes into play...Word is it's the least common of all sense's...

I can assure you I don't need you or anyone else to decide for me...I put in the work to be well informed...

That's why when you blatantly lie and post crap for others to read I will call you out on it...Redditt this place ain't...
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 05:09 PM

This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
EDIT
This was DIRECT from your post.. zero words changed
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Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by skicker
Snopes... pity

Exactly why your statement is a half truth...

Read around a little...

What happened to the budget for the CDC?

Problem with too many people is they believe everything as soon as they read it...some may verify it's authenticity...some may not...

Others will read several articles considering the slant in each and then make a informed decision for themselves...

This is where something as simple as common sense comes into play...Word is it's the least common of all sense's...

I can assure you I don't need you or anyone else to decide for me...I put in the work to be well informed...

That's why when you blatantly lie and post crap for others to read I will call you out on it...Redditt this place ain't...





Snopes is the first one that came up in a Google search but there's plenty of other sources that can provide you the same info.

I don't know you but you don't know me either so I'll provide a little insight into my world. Think about what I list here and let me know if you believe I am the person you presume me to be;

#1, pretty much above all else, I love muscle-era Mopars, hot rods, drag racing and turning wrenches
I pay my taxes
I live in the house I grew up in
I detest globalization
I earn my pay and make my own economy
I don't live beyond my means
I care about some people but not everyone
I am a good husband, father and friend

But clearly there is some sort of fundamental difference between how how we think. Is that wrong?

Like it or not, what I posted is a fact. You can twist it around any way you like to suit your views but the fact remains that there is no National Pandemic Response team. Given the current circumstances, don't you think it might be a good thing to have something like that in place?

But hey, I'm all for it if you think its beneficial to the discussion to prove this particular fact is somehow false and dismantling the office was a good idea. Knock yourself out.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
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Conveniently left that out I guess. He really should see the cherry blossoms...
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
...... My point is that the healthy population isn't having to go to the hospital. Health population defined as under 50 with no preexisting conditions that have been identified..... ..... All we've done by isolating everyone is ensure a 2nd curve will happen.


I partly agree with this, however it is seen healthy under 50 people w/o pec are finding their way into beds at hospitals. Smokers? Asthma? Heart Murmurs? Who knows, yet they are. You wrote that population needs to get sick and recover to basically increase the herd immunity, do not forget the virus is known to mutate. If it's having difficulties in healthy younger people inc. infants, I think it may be a sad day should those populations be targeted by a variant. Second, third or more cycles may likely happen people are going to continue to die. We need a vaccine.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 06:19 PM

A vaccine is too far off. I'd settle for an effective treatment at this point.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 06:59 PM

Keep consistent sleep wake times to strengthen defenses against virus

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-healthy-circadian-rhythm-sane-resilience.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 07:01 PM

“Laughing Gas” nitric oxide to be tested against COVID

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-clinical-trial-underway-nitric-oxide.html

Sample quote

Nitric oxide has been found to improve blood flow in areas of the lungs still receiving air, increasing the amount of oxygen in the blood stream.

Along with being used to treat failing lungs, nitric oxide has been found to have antiviral properties against coronaviruses. That was shown during the 2002 to 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak, which was caused by a coronavirus similar to the one that causes COVID-19.

End quote
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
Keep consistent sleep wake times to strengthen defenses against virus

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-healthy-circadian-rhythm-sane-resilience.html

That's out the window since I've been up here. Going to bed later, getting up later but sleeping through the night now for the most part. Something I haven't done for a long time.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 07:06 PM

Overweight might be most serious other condition for COVID

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-virus-men-overweight-people-harder.html
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR

But clearly there is some sort of fundamental difference between how how we think. Is that wrong?

Like it or not, what I posted is a fact.


"I love muscle-era Mopars, hot rods, drag racing and turning wrenches
I pay my taxes
I detest globalization
I earn my pay and make my own economy
I don't live beyond my means
I care about some people but not everyone
I am a good husband, father and friend"

I don't live in the house I grew up in but other than that I'd say were about the same...

You may have me a little beat on the last one but we play the hand we're dealt... shruggy

The only real fundamental difference is that I'm not going to post a slanted opinion piece and call that a fact.

Snopes would be the first one on Google search...that doesn't make it the only one...That would make it the first one someone wants you to read...

It's not a personal attack on you...I simply disagree with the proof you provide for what has established your view...

Ted has made it abundantly clear this thread is not to go political...yet you repeatedly throw your "thinly veiled" references in...

Your entire existence in this thread has been to direct "blame"...not offer information or links to treatment analysis...

Wrong place...wrong time...Dude...
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 08:24 PM

Reporter argues wrong data fed into medical death prediction models has led to wrong economic decisions.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-nyt-reporter-challenging-the-coronavirus-narrative
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 08:30 PM

That ranks right up with any of the polarizing reports I've seen written.
Credibility. Responsibility.
Lets keep this about an illness not ______________.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by srt
That ranks right up with any of the polarizing reports I've seen written.
Credibility. Responsibility.
Lets keep this about an illness not ______________.

Some just can't seem to let it go. Any opportunity to bash the other side is fair game to them. Forget about working together, helping your fellow man or any of that, but it's been that way and they aren't going to stop now. Pretty disgusting really.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/10/20 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by srt
That ranks right up with any of the polarizing reports I've seen written.
Credibility. Responsibility.
Lets keep this about an illness not ______________.

Some just can't seem to let it go. Any opportunity to bash the other side is fair game to them. Forget about working together, helping your fellow man or any of that, but it's been that way and they aren't going to stop now. Pretty disgusting really.


Its like 15 sheep walking in a row. All you see is what in front of your face, nothing to the sides or whats behind. You don't see the sneaky Wolf coming behind and snatching your followers one at a time.

Watching just _____*_____ news and believing 100% what they say is being just as blind to whats happening around you. You'll only see one side, the one you want. .

* insert your left/right wing news channel. They all are full of [censored].
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 01:29 AM

I'm not going to post a slanted opinion piece and call that a fact.

This is the way it is in our current state of discourse. This country is so polarized these days no one trusts anything anymore. You can be sure that I don't trust the nonsense that comes from certain outlets. People get their information from where they choose now, it's not just Walter Conkite on the evening news

Regardless, the story happened. Deny it all you want but there is no longer a National Pandemic Response Office because the current administration closed it trying to cut costs. Is there an alternate story that you are privy to that sheds a different light on the subject? If so, post up and prove me wrong.

No slant, just facts.

I simply disagree with the proof you provide for what has established your view...

This is a no-win situation. I can post the same information from any number of sources but you'd shoot them all down saying they are slanted, biased, half truths etc.

Ted has made it abundantly clear this thread is not to go political...yet you repeatedly throw your "thinly veiled" references in...

I'm all for real clarity if it wouldn't get me banned so I'll stick to my "thinly veiled" references for now. I'm not hiding from or behind anything either. What's your story?

Your entire existence in this thread has been to direct "blame"...not offer information or links to treatment analysis...

I didn't know offering information, links or treatment analysis was a requirement to participate in the thread. Either way, I take the situation seriously because I have to and that's the morally correct thing to do.

At the same time, I don't like how the situation was handled by our government, don't care to buy into far flung and/or paranoid theories about where the virus came from, definitely don't like our highest level elected government officials pushing unproven and in some cases dangerous treatments and would rather take guidance from those who are learned and/or have many years of experience on the subject of treating infectious diseases.

Am I supposed to sit here and not speak my mind?

Wrong place...wrong time...Dude...

Definitely.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 01:52 AM

This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
EDIT
This was DIRECT from your post.. zero words changed
wave
Posted By: Ramrod39

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 01:58 AM

This is worse than winter on Moparts...
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 03:11 AM

Casey Jones can slow this train wreck down, let's get back to the problem at hand.
Easing through the pandemic and getting the economy moving again is being closely looked at by the best people the Country now has on board.
In the past day or two Homeland Security and Health and Human Srvices made projections on the resurge of infections if the stay guidance/orders are lifted too soon. https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...4eea9e302d8825/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
Beside the number of ill and dead that will not be making their home and credit payments the economy and economic maneuvers of the past several years is barrelling at us full steam. 2021 is poised to be a shambles for whomever is behind the reins. The virus and actions of the fast few weeks are only partly to blame.
Keep in mind simpler times are on the horizon, the dust will settle, cv flareups may likely or perhaps not, and people will be hurting. financially.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 03:15 AM

Another thing we'll have to contend with once we get everything going again, is that some jobs just may not be there anymore.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/coronavirus-workplace-automation.html
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 03:21 AM

I have one big concern... people will get fed up quick with the lock down and start going out in
groups then it spreading more/again and if this does happen all if this will last a long time.. I
sure hope not
wave
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
EDIT
This was DIRECT from your post.. zero words changed
wave


RMCHRGER....what Mr P Body posted here is true. Are you going to address this? The point you were trying to make with your “facts” in in serious factual error.

You messed up.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 04:23 AM

I honestly had not read about the fuss of cdc cuts.
So I searched and read and ran into some eye-opening stuff. Probably the best overview, it does deal with government figures.
I am honestly a middle of the road person whom loves Country first this is not intended to be political, yet includes a good overview of what happened with funding, forget the politican stuff it's nice to read what appeard to be factual events. I checked a few refrences against Congress Daily Record and feel it's a good synopses.
Anyone inclined might make the long read
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 05:17 AM

Quote
Again, this is a national crisis, not a local one. A national crisis should be met with an appropriate federal response since states may or may not have the resources, manpower, mobilization and coordination ability that the federal government does. What's the point of disputing whether that is true or not?


"Drastic times require drastic measures"
Wasn't it the governor of FL who decided not to issue a Stay-At-Home order, because (legally) it wasn't in the state's laws? Allowing Spring-Break; WELL AWARE of other states situations & how this was spreading already. Guess he needed the "Go Ahead from Feds" from your "Top Down" governing mentality.
So it's rational to assume that States/Cities were correct in not taking "drastic actions" UNTIL told to by the higher ups.
You DON'T need any man-power nor resources to issue a General Keep-Distance Limit-Travel Stay-Home DIRECTIVE.
Just my observation seemingly looking like NOW Pass-The-Buck-Upward til it stops at the top.
This virus didn't start at the TOP (entire US), but rather state wise. Now I see some states taking "their OWN" actions at the 23rd hour.
As so typically I guess: It's Reactive rather then Proactive.
"I heard my engine making really bad knocking noises, but figured I'd make the 100 mile trip home ok. Now my engine frozen"
Holds true across ALL venues.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 05:38 AM

It's interesting to view the timeline.
Ill people Wash State a person whom visited Wuhan, then another in Chicago, a single person in so cal and 2 more recent Wuhan visitors, all asked to voluntarily quarantine themselves. 195 State Dept employees non test +. In Chicago a single person to person infection from spouse whom visited China (the 2nd person mentioned above. All this was in January. Bringing 195 St Dept Employees home definitely had governments attention back then. Things accelerated after and China visitors were suspect while European Strains got a foothold on the East Coast. In this early mess Cruise ships many Chinese and God only knows how many people streamed into the country from abroad.
Sure begs the question how it escaped attention. It's a Novel Virus. Flares had been launched for weeks before it gained National attention. Now, it will take years to truly get over the impacts.
Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
EDIT
This was DIRECT from your post.. zero words changed
wave


RMCHRGER....what Mr P Body posted here is true. Are you going to address this? The point you were trying to make with your “facts” in in serious factual error.

You messed up.


Sure. I never said anything about CDC funding. I was talking about the National Pandemic Response office which was part of the National Security Council. That was why the article mentioned John Bolton. It's original intent was to have a high-level team in place to respond to an imminent threat of an infectious disease outbreak. That office had nothing to do with the CDC. If I had to guess, the article referenced the rumored CDC funding cuts as part of a broader narrative but thankfully it didn't happen.

But yeah, I'm done. Please, no applause...

I'll admit I tried to stay away for a few days but got drawn back in. Frankly though, it gets tiresome arguing these things. The polarization of our culture is so evident in everything we talk about now, it's pointless to try and convince anyone of anything, including myself. I wish that wasn't the case and we could have more civil discourse without all the finger pointing, questioning of references and raw, entrenched attitudes. We need to find some common ground in this country or it's going to destroy us. You would think suffering through a pandemic would be something we could all unite behind but clearly that's not happening. In a way I kinda miss the days of Walter Cronkite on the evening news, was a much simpler time.

Stay safe.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 12:53 PM

Well if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. We should all start with a good look in the mirror.
Posted By: partsforsale

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/11/20 11:48 PM


Interesting stat about "the regular flu"....

Flu deaths skyrocket to 328 in California, 14,000 in U.S.
Feb 20, 2020 - While Americans have been transfixed by concerns about the potential spread of new coronavirus in the United States, a growing number of U.S. citizens have been dying as a result of the seasonal influenza epidemic.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 01:20 AM

People die from the flu every year (2010-2019) least was 12k most was 61k with an average of 37k per year. cv19 very likely would have eclipsed the 61K (we're at 20k+ now). Add the "regular" flu and cv19 numbers and one would be faced with a huge number of deaths. The odd thing is hwd dependent we have become of the experts picking the right strains to put into the yearly vaccine. And then people yet need to have the shot to get antibodies.
Posted By: BloFish

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 01:29 AM

I haven’t had a flu shot in 30 years after departing the medical field, (paramedic). I have yet to catch a cold or flu since, just lucky I guess shruggy
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
I haven’t had a flu shot in 30 years after departing the medical field, (paramedic). I have yet to catch a cold or flu since, just lucky I guess shruggy


Same here... the wife and I have never had a flu shot.. the most issue I have now days
is sinus issues at certain times of the year
wave
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 01:45 AM

I think cleanliness and avoiding sick people are the best defense for avoiding the flu.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
I wonder what % of people get the flu vaccine each year. Less sick = less distribution of virus cells.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by srt
I think cleanliness and avoiding sick people are the best defense for avoiding the flu.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
I wonder what % of people get the flu vaccine each year. Less sick = less distribution of virus cells.


To be honest I dont even think its the cleanliness.. I'm not saying I am filthy but I think I wash
my hands about 2 no more the 3 times a day when I'm working in my shop(about 6 hours a day)
but I do get brake cleaner on my hands ALOT if you want to call that washing
wave
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 03:11 AM

Do you avoid people in your shop? up
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by srt
Do you avoid people in your shop? up


Other than my wife I havent even seen a person in about 1 1/2 to 2 months... I did have to
go to the dentist for about 30 minutes when I broke 3 teeth out in my shop
when he pulled them
wave
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 03:31 AM

There's a meme floating around that basically says:

"Before I had kids, I thought I had a great immune system, but it turns out I was just really good at staying away from the type of people who sneeze directly into your eyeballs while telling you a story."

There's some truth to that laugh2 If you can avoid most people during your normal routine, you won't be exposed to much. The normal flu has an R0 of 1.3ish? This virus is at least twice that, so it takes a lot less to catch.
Posted By: Jjs72D

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 04:43 AM

My Father is a retired Pharmacist.
The only time that he claims that he has ever been really sick is when he was required to get a Flu Shot as a condition of his employer. He retired in 2007 but went back to work a few times part time to have something to do. After getting sick and recovering, he quit that job.
This is a Scam-demic.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 07:26 AM

To those that keep thinking this is a Hoax, Scam or really nothing.

It would not take too much for them to find someone in their area that is Covid19 infected and go spend some quality time up close with them. Read them some stories and give them a few get well hugs. Then wait for 5 days and then visit loved ones and give them all hugs. After 14 days come and report how well everyone is doing.

I mean, its a scam, right? Nothing to worry about. Gain some Hurd Immunity.

This week we had a family reunion scheduled. We normally have 60 members show up, about 40 are 55+ and 5 are 85+. And a bunch always go visit cousin Russ. He is a Silver Star awardee from WW2, a Tank Killer. Russ is going to be 102 this year. He lives at home alone and still drives to the store.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 11:13 AM

I have been getting the “Flublok” influenza vaccine for 2 of the last 3 years.
It is a recombinant dna vaccine made from the cells of the corn borer caterpillar.
No eggs involved in making it. No egg allergy reactions.
$60 cash price at Walmart.

The one year I skipped getting it I got the Flu while at a wedding in New Orleans.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03694392

So far it appears more effective than the old fashioned egg vaccines.

The US gov gave a special grant to create Flublok and another dna vaccine because they can be made much faster than the 100 year old egg way, and the strain of virus does not “drift” from a “grows good in humans” virus to a grows good in chickens virus strain.

I suspect that Flublock will have a COVID-19 vaccine 60 days after they find out which piece of DNA creates effective human antibodies.

Learn about where the nerves are in your deltoid muscle.
Before you get your shot draw a little circle where you insist they should stick the needle straight in at a right angle.
If they hit the nerve your shoulder will be sore for a long time.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347325/pdf/0650040.pdf

After getting your shot go for a long tiring walk that will stimulate your immune system.

If you are unlucky and catch Influenza and COVID-19 at the same time the duo team of viruses has an even greater chance of killing you. Same thing with RSV virus or Noro virus.

I will go out on a limb and guess that somewhere there is a beneficial virus - one that if you had it at the same time as coronavirus it would help keep you alive.
Posted By: skicker

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 11:31 AM

None of this is difficult...Just like working on our cars or ordering parts or anything else you have to put the research in...

Opinions need to be formed via informed message(s)...often it requires several sources and articles to weed out an actual event or what truly happened...

If your information merely consists of what is scrolled along the bottom of a screen your only getting what they want you to see...twocents
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 12:34 PM

Wall Street Journal is reporting on their front page that there have been at least 14,851 positive tests for COVID-19 in USA nursing home residents and at least 2000 have died.

That more than 80% survival rate is larger than I would have guessed.

There are about 15,672 USA nursing homes.
So far only 2,169 have reported COVID infections.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 04:25 PM

Now listening to these morons advocate for eliminating the USPS. laugh2
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Now listening to these morons advocate for eliminating the USPS. laugh2


You mean one of the things explicitly listed in the constitution that the government has the power to do? laugh2
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Now listening to these morons advocate for eliminating the USPS. laugh2


You mean one of the things explicitly listed in the constitution that the government has the power to do? laugh2

What? The constitution says explicitly that the government can eliminate the USPS? Chapter and verse please.
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Now listening to these morons advocate for eliminating the USPS. laugh2


You mean one of the things explicitly listed in the constitution that the government has the power to do? laugh2

What? The constitution says explicitly that the government can eliminate the USPS? Chapter and verse please.


Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and Post Roads".

Says nothing about maintaining or keeping it, just that they can establish it. This looks like something technology has eclipsed. About all I get is junk mail, that comes under the cheapest money losing rate, I don't think we need to subsidize advertising.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 08:18 PM

So it doesn't explicitly say they can eliminate it?
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by 3hundred
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Now listening to these morons advocate for eliminating the USPS. laugh2


You mean one of the things explicitly listed in the constitution that the government has the power to do? laugh2

What? The constitution says explicitly that the government can eliminate the USPS? Chapter and verse please.


Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and Post Roads".

Says nothing about maintaining or keeping it, just that they can establish it. This looks like something technology has eclipsed. About all I get is junk mail, that comes under the cheapest money losing rate, I don't think we need to subsidize advertising.


Hotels and airlines, though, hand them the cash. Oh, and enjoy your $1,200...or less. down (Directed at the deal, not at you).
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Now listening to these morons advocate for eliminating the USPS. laugh2


You mean one of the things explicitly listed in the constitution that the government has the power to do? laugh2


Nowhere is that stated in the Constitution, or any subsequent amendments. shruggy
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Hotels and airlines, though, hand them the cash. Oh, and enjoy your $1,200...or less. down (Directed at the deal, not at you).


Enjoy that $1200 LOAN on your tax for 2020. You will pay it back come tax time unless you have no tax burden (like drawing Welfare or base Social Security) Its NOT a FREE GRANT like what they are offering the Airlines.

If you plan on a $3000 tax return, it will be $1000. If you figured on paying $500 in tax above what they withheld, it will now be you writing a $2500 check next April.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Hotels and airlines, though, hand them the cash. Oh, and enjoy your $1,200...or less. down (Directed at the deal, not at you).


Enjoy that $1200 LOAN on your tax for 2020. You will pay it back come tax time unless you have no tax burden (like drawing Welfare or base Social Security) Its NOT a FREE GRANT like what they are offering the Airlines.


Right. down Meanwhile, the airlines spent tens of millions on stock buybacks recently, but get a handout, instead of being told "re-sell all of that stock you bought back."
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Originally Posted by Dave_J
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Hotels and airlines, though, hand them the cash. Oh, and enjoy your $1,200...or less. down (Directed at the deal, not at you).


Enjoy that $1200 LOAN on your tax for 2020. You will pay it back come tax time unless you have no tax burden (like drawing Welfare or base Social Security) Its NOT a FREE GRANT like what they are offering the Airlines.


Right. down Meanwhile, the airlines spent tens of millions on stock buybacks recently, but get a handout, instead of being told "re-sell all of that stock you bought back."

I edited my post as you were quoting it.

I wish we had a "LIKE" button on here.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Hotels and airlines, though, hand them the cash. Oh, and enjoy your $1,200...or less. down (Directed at the deal, not at you).


Enjoy that $1200 LOAN on your tax for 2020. You will pay it back come tax time unless you have no tax burden (like drawing Welfare or base Social Security) Its NOT a FREE GRANT like what they are offering the Airlines.

If you plan on a $3000 tax return, it will be $1000. If you figured on paying $500 in tax above what they withheld, it will now be you writing a $2500 check next April.


Not quite. It's a refundable tax credit. We just get the money now, instead of at tax time. Regardless of whether you're planning on getting a refund or writing a check, it lowers your overall tax liability.

During normal times, if you got a $3k refund, the $1200 credit would bump that to $4200, which you would get back at tax time. But, since we get the $1200 now, our refund at tax time goes back to the original $3k.

If you end up owing $500 at tax time, you get the $1200 now, and will still owe the $500 come tax day.
Posted By: not_a_charger

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by hooziewhatsit
Originally Posted by Dave_J
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Hotels and airlines, though, hand them the cash. Oh, and enjoy your $1,200...or less. down (Directed at the deal, not at you).


Enjoy that $1200 LOAN on your tax for 2020. You will pay it back come tax time unless you have no tax burden (like drawing Welfare or base Social Security) Its NOT a FREE GRANT like what they are offering the Airlines.

If you plan on a $3000 tax return, it will be $1000. If you figured on paying $500 in tax above what they withheld, it will now be you writing a $2500 check next April.


Not quite. It's a refundable tax credit. We just get the money now, instead of at tax time. Regardless of whether you're planning on getting a refund or writing a check, it lowers your overall tax liability.

During normal times, if you got a $3k refund, the $1200 credit would bump that to $4200, which you would get back at tax time. But, since we get the $1200 now, our refund at tax time goes back to the original $3k.

If you end up owing $500 at tax time, you get the $1200 now, and will still owe the $500 come tax day.



My wife and I won't get anything, but I don't care. We're very lucky to both be working/getting paid during this time. I'd have rather seen more $$ for those who don't make much, for small businesses, and for independent contractors, and for restaurant servers/other tipped employees.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by not_a_charger


My wife and I won't get anything, but I don't care. We're very lucky to both be working/getting paid during this time. I'd have rather seen more $$ for those who don't make much, for small businesses, and for independent contractors, and for restaurant servers/other tipped employees.


Man, sorry the HUGE Moderator pay check knocked you out of this $1200 pay out. wink
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/12/20 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So it doesn't explicitly say they can eliminate it?


It doesn't even say they have to implement it. Just gives them the power. I don't have a dog in y'alls argument, not really even taking sides, just opining on what i know and observed of it.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
Originally Posted by not_a_charger


My wife and I won't get anything, but I don't care. We're very lucky to both be working/getting paid during this time. I'd have rather seen more $$ for those who don't make much, for small businesses, and for independent contractors, and for restaurant servers/other tipped employees.


Man, sorry the HUGE Moderator pay check knocked you out of this $1200 pay out. wink


It phases out completely at a dual income of $198k a year, so the moderator job must pay really well eek laugh2
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by 3hundred
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
So it doesn't explicitly say they can eliminate it?


It doesn't even say they have to implement it. Just gives them the power. I don't have a dog in y'alls argument, not really even taking sides, just opining on what i know and observed of it.

No arguement here, just tired of half truths and inaccuracies.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 12:44 PM

British newspaper reports USA NIH gave grants to Wuhan laboratory

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...xperimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

I have not seen this confirmed by another source yet

Sample quote

U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus leak scrutiny that was performing experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated
The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves
The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

End quote
Posted By: MarkZ

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by 360view
British newspaper reports USA NIH gave grants to Wuhan laboratory

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...xperimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

I have not seen this confirmed by another source yet

Sample quote

U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus leak scrutiny that was performing experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated
The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves
The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

End quote


That same lab as of last week still had two job postings looking for PHD level help in studying the transmission of said virus in bats and why it did not seem to infect them. If the posting has since been pulled it's available on archive.org. Way too much coincidence for this. I don't believe it was intentional, but come on, at this point it had to have come from there. I would attribute incompetence before I did malice.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by srt
I think cleanliness and avoiding sick people are the best defense for avoiding the flu.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
I wonder what % of people get the flu vaccine each year. Less sick = less distribution of virus cells.


I don't think it's that simple. The vaccine keeps you from getting sick. It doesn't keep you from transporting the virus around with you and spreading it.

Kevin
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by srt
I think cleanliness and avoiding sick people are the best defense for avoiding the flu.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
I wonder what % of people get the flu vaccine each year. Less sick = less distribution of virus cells.


I don't think it's that simple. The vaccine keeps you from getting sick. It doesn't keep you from transporting the virus around with you and spreading it.

Kevin



Uhhhhhhh.......yes it does. Now technically a vaccinated person could touch something with the virus then touch something else and ‘transport’ it that way, but that’s not the point. That same person can’t spread the infection because of anything going on in their body over the course of time.

That’s all a critical part of herd immunity.
Posted By: srt

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by srt
I think cleanliness and avoiding sick people are the best defense for avoiding the flu.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
I wonder what % of people get the flu vaccine each year. Less sick = less distribution of virus cells.


I don't think it's that simple. The vaccine keeps you from getting sick. It doesn't keep you from transporting the virus around with you and spreading it.

Kevin

Technically vaccinated or not one can be a carrier, the % of being a carrier if vaccinated is greatly reduced. Also 25% or so of carriers have no symptoms.
Therefore I'll stand behind my original post. People being vaccinated, cleanliness and avoiding sick people are all part of a society reducing chance of pandemic (from whatever malady). \
I feel we're better for all the vaccines children and pets are given. Smallpox, polio, distemper, parvo, rabies are all drastically reduced or even eliminated by vaccines. Good likelihood CV19 will be as well.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 03:36 PM

To those concerned about ventilator availability, I'm seeing reports from our local medical professionals saying that the machines may do more harm than good in a lot of cases. Survival rates if it comes to a ventilator aren't good.

They are seeing patients in respiratory distress with O2 saturation levels that would indicate needing a machine BUT they are still coherent and able to speak which based on their O2 levels would be highly unlikely.

They are now trying high flow oxygen through a cannula (that plastic thingy they put in your nose) and are seeing better recovery results vs ventilators. The high flow puts positive pressure in the airway which helps inflate the lungs without causing stress to the tissue like the higher pressure ventilator does.

Basically they don't want to ventilate you unless your oxygen levels drop below survival levels or you can't physically breathe.

Something for you to look into FYI should you or someone you know be in the risk group.

Kevin
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 04:20 PM

Omega 3 oils have many health advantages, one of the lesser known ones is that Omega 3 oil allows your body to survive much lower than normal blood oxygen levels.

Years ago a single coal miner at the Sago Mine survived being in carbon monoxide contaminated air but all his crew mates died despite the men being together. It was later found that he liked fish and had eaten it 3 to 4 days per week prior to the mine disaster.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19523448/the-governments-big-fish-story/

http://wvmetronews.com/2015/12/31/sago-mine-disaster-survivor-10-years-later/

Omega 3 oils also reduce blood clotting.





Posted By: McCandlessboy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 04:24 PM

What's the number reason people end up in the hospital, in NY, with Covid? Being obese. Study just released on past month of patients that were hospitalized. If you're fat and old, you're in the most vulnerable category.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/nyu-s...qV-kEj36CLb3AatCUQ0pVMY8xhAEeczmHoWDOYIw

Time for everyone to lose weight.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
I have one big concern... people will get fed up quick with the lock down and start going out in
groups then it spreading more/again and if this does happen all if this will last a long time.. I
sure hope not
wave


Like a dog escaping from it's short chain running and marking EVERYTHING it comes near in a 5 mile radius. People will go out and forget about safety precautions we rely on for protection against diseases during this situation. I'm still a dealership tech and I don't like the fact that they will call me back soon and I'll have to start getting back into the "germ incubator" that most peoples interiors are. I'm a high risk(diabetic with asthma 57 years old) and with all the airbag recalls I have to remove most of the dash and A-pillars,every thing that gets the cough and sneeze bacteria runaway

I have to admit it I am scared to get back to work and climbing into someones interior and touching all there stuff shruggy

Gus beer
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 07:04 PM

U of Michigan says their analysis hints that hundred year old BCG vaccine partially protects against COVID-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-mandated-tb-vaccination-flattened-covid-.html

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Berg and colleagues analyzed daily reports of confirmed cases and deaths during a 30-day period, modeling differences between growth curves in countries that have mandated BCG policies at least until very recently (such as Brazil, Ireland, France and India) and countries that do not (such as the U.S., Italy and Lebanon).

While the new report contributes to research involving TB vaccinations, it also noted some limitations; for example, some countries may have better quality data regarding the number of coronavirus cases and deaths than others.

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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 07:16 PM

More studies indicate sudden loss of smell and taste means COVID-19 infection

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-loss-validated-covid-symptoms-patients.html

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"Based on our study, if you have smell and taste loss, you are more than 10 times more likely to have COVID-19 infection than other causes of infection. The most common first sign of a COVID-19 infection remains fever, but fatigue and loss of smell and taste follow as other very common initial symptoms," said Carol Yan, MD

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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/13/20 11:39 PM

WV say Allergen grade HVAC filters can be made in face filters equal to N95 filters

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-team-unmasks-effective-n95-alternatives.html

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Nurkiewicz and his team concluded that air filter material from home furnaces—you know, the ones you forget to change every three months—can effectively obstruct coronavirus particles.

"HVAC furnace filters—especially the higher quality filters that remove allergens and dust mites—can perform well in blocking COVID-19," said Nurkiewicz, chair of Physiology and Pharmacology at the WVU School of Medicine. "We can layer that up and use it with publicly-available 3-D designs for respirator masks that would cover your face. That combination provides significant protection to anyone exposed to COVID-19 droplets."

Travis Goldsmith, iTOX senior research engineer, started the project by exploring ways to rapidly test unconventional filter materials. iTox worked in conjunction with Veronica Cyphert, Julie O'Neil and Dr. Robert Gerbo, of WVU Occupational Medicine, to identify that the air filter material in a 3-D-printed mask worked quite well.
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 02:59 PM

Two ventilator patients recover from COVID induced “cytokine storm” using combo of
immune suppressive drug Actemra
and IV drip of high dose vitamin C

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-13/coworkers-save-coronavirus-doctor

could be a breakthrough treatment of the sickest of the sick
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 03:36 PM

Thats good to hear up
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Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 05:59 PM

After Australians suggest Ivermectin drug, small trials in Utah and Florida show promise:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/head-lice-drug-being-studied-as-possible-coronavirus-treatment/

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Another study conducted by researchers at the University of Utah found that “critically ill patients with lung injury requiring mechanical ventilation may benefit from administration of ivermectin,” ABC News reported.

“We noted a lower mortality and reduced health care resource use in those treated with ivermectin,” wrote lead author Dr. Amit Patel.

And at Broward Health Medical Center in Florida, Dr. Jean-Jacques Rajter has already been using ivermectin in addition to hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc sulfate to treat his COVID-19 patients, according to NBC Miami.

“If we get to these people early, and what I mean by that is if their oxygen requirements are less than 50 percent, I’ve had nearly a 100 percent response rate, they all improve, if they’re on more oxygen than that, then it becomes a little more varied, some people, they don’t respond anymore because they are too far advanced,” Rajter told the outlet.

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Posted By: Dave_J

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 08:04 PM

And now there will be a HORDER run on Horse de-wormer Ivermectin. Apple flavor too.

https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-P...B01M1GPOA8&qid=1586894637&sr=8-1
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
And now there will be a HORDER run on Horse de-wormer Ivermectin. Apple flavor too.
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I hear that if you mix that with lemon flavored fish tank cleaner,
its a floral scent to die for.....
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_J
And now there will be a HORDER run on Horse de-wormer Ivermectin. Apple flavor too.

https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-P...B01M1GPOA8&qid=1586894637&sr=8-1


My wife bought a bunch for her horses after first hearing about it being used as a treatment. A few of her friends bought a bunch for their horses too.

They need it (for the horses) anyways, and don't want to not be able to get it because dumb people bought it for themselves realcrazy
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 09:03 PM

Oh yeah, god forbid the people get it instead of the horses. eyes
Posted By: hooziewhatsit

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 09:29 PM

People will get people grade stuff. Not horse grade stuff.

And it will be in a controlled setting, not turning the knob to select your weight and squeezing it into your mouth laugh2
Posted By: John Brown

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 09:48 PM

forbes.com/2020/04/12/rollout-heres-when-states-are-due-to-lift-stay-at-home-orders


Right click on it and open in incognito to avoid their paywall. Article tells (by date and for which state) when you'll be allowed out of the fallout shelters.
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 10:30 PM

Canadian researcher proposes
COVID-19 virus went from bats to stray dogs to humans...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-evidence-stray-dogs-sars-cov-pandemic.html
Posted By: 360view

Re: The official Coronavirus thread - 04/14/20 11:27 PM

More scary stuff

https://www.was