Wasn't there a really large gun show during Jan., that would have attracted people from the "far reaches" to attend.
Nephew mentioned to me that afterwards, "lots" of attendees became sick afterwards (he didn't attend).
Maybe in PA somewhere? Any larger "event" during that period, attracting crowds from distances, could well have "delivered" the virus.
Any thoughts/Info?

JCC, I believe you and I were confused. I posted a link to a home page, and included a quote from another page linked on that page.
I don't live in a perfect world and moparts is a fun, leisure activity. It's worthless to get riled up over banter.
Blinders, or rose colored glasses, no other choices.
Now, for something completely different the news had some very interesting maneuvering going on. My gut feeling is there is going to be a lot of data released soon.

That's the problem with the push to re-open in areas that aren't affected much right now. All it takes is one person in a large group (go back and look up the church in South Korea) to spread it, then everyone takes it back home. Once people start showing up in the hospital, it just says that something happened to spread it 2 weeks ago. And it's been spreading more in the mean time.

So, we can't really start opening until:
The curve is on the downward trend
We have plentiful rapid testing
Contact tracing is established

Until then, we need to limit our contact and wear masks in public. Then we can do a soft-opening of a lot of things.

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I was hoping to have my anti-body test results on Friday, but now hope to see them tomorrow. I had something nasty the last half of February, but a week after I was done my kid tested positive for influenza-A, so I probably just had that.

My sister and brother in law have been exposed to COVID-19 positive patients numerous times, but got tested for antibodies last Monday and were negative.

My brother got very sick after attending the World of Concrete show in Los Vegas. He got tested for antibodies Tuesday and was negative.

The version of Influenza going around is itself quite bad this year.

In a previous post in this thread I gave a link to a report from Stanford U medical center that found that about 20% of COVID-19 patients were co-infected at the same timewith either Influenza, RSV virus, or another virus.

No one should be expected to have anywhere near perfect 20/20 hindsight.

In hindsight, trailers and RV’s should have been taken to Nursing Homes and staff should have been paid 24 hour pay to completely isolate. This one policy would have saved the most deaths and suffering.

NYC should have closed subways, metro trains and buses, and instituted social distancing sooner.

USA citizens below age 40 with no co-morbidities should have social distanced but continued to run the US economy on overtime.

As a “national defense” measure we need government funded bunker style hospitals under the command of the Surgeon General with large numbers of ICU beds and equipment on standby and supplies in stockpiles. Terrorists and hostile governments have watched all this.

We DO NOT have enough food stockpiled.
Governments 5000 years ago understood food stockpiling better than present day governments!

I think you are right. My mistake. My apology. Period.

I'm seeing a effort to assign the Wuhan Lab as the source and efforts to diminish responsibility.
My personal feeling that's all water under the bridge and greater effort needs to be expended looking forward to treatment and vaccine.

Can we do both?

Ya right water under the bridge. Totally collapse our economy and let’s just look the other way. How about those that died from their carelessness planned or otherwise.

Even the Chinese know they're in trouble. Spreading in eastern Europe now.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200504103349-xwxse

An internal Chinese report warns that Beijing faces a rising wave of hostility in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak that could tip relations with the United States into confrontation, people familiar with the paper told Reuters.

As a result, Beijing faces a wave of anti-China sentiment led by the United States in the aftermath of the pandemic and needs to be prepared in a worst-case scenario for armed confrontation between the two global powers, according to people familiar with the report's content, who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the matter.

What exactly happens if the source is found? Does not make sense to expend resources chasing nothing. Will we send out summons, hold depositions and go to the world court to recover damages? Our country decided to bail out businesses and people. We have been living as few other countries, a life of wasteful spending and little savings. Was our economy so fragile it only took a virus that was totally under control to bring it down?
There is nothing to see there other than headlines that distract from business at hand. I feel it's more mis-directed and unproductive activity (water under the bridge).
FWIW -Countries with the highest savings rates tend to also have lower-than-average GDP per capita.
Using an argument I've seen here about letting some people die so our economy can go back sooner: Wouldn't it be better to let some businesses fail and new businesses spring forth as need arises post pandemic? It's also water under the bridge all the money we have spent, our grand kids and on will take care of it.
Here's the breakdown of the $200m we all have taken on.
Individuals/ Families $603.7 billion 30%
Big Business $500.0 billion 25%
Small Business $377.0 billion 19%
State and Local Government $340.0 billion 17%
Public Services $179.5 billion 9%
Better part of a trillion for businesses! Stand by for the next round.
Did what you or I get as part of the stimulus really change anything?

i never received $1200.00.

I don't know you but you either live in a shell or your life hasn't been affected by this crisis. People are losing their home, businesses, lives, friends, family, life savings, etc, etc over this and you don't want to pursue the people responsible. Well guess what, I DO, and I want our Country to go after them hard to find out how and why this started. That way we can learn from it just like we already learned about WHO. What a joke that outfit has become. We also learned we have to bring manufacturing back HOME again so we are better prepared for the next ACCIDENT. All while you stay in your "little safe spot". What a joke.

There is much here to dissect but consider the following.

-Double digits of Americans polled believe we created the virus!

-I've had my "essential" industrial business open for the whole duration. Sales are down at least 80%. If I owned a restaurant I would anticipate a similar drop once they reopen. You wont catch me at the barber in 2020. Haven't worn a pony tail in 25 years but its back.

-We could have reacted faster as a nation but chose not to. You decide why.

-In terms of manufacturing coming back. We all would love to see that. Pre-covid we did not have enough workers available for this to happen.

Thank you
Kevin

Double digits could be as low as 10%, or as high as 99%.

Barber shop? I'll be back as soon as appointment requirements are dropped, cause, I'm strictly a walk in type of guy.

As soon as my favorite restaurant is back open for inside biz, I'll be there.

If that makes me seem callous, so be it. If that makes others seem to be fear mongering, so be it.
They'll get over it. Or not.

Kudos to you, Sir. You expressed yourself in the manner in which I intended to do.
Thanks for the common sense response. ;-)

Good time for me to knock out a number of carbon fiber projects, nobody around to bother me, I wear a full haz mat suit, n-95 mask and goggles. I needed another gallon of the high speed epoxy hardener, which is nice when doing small items and time is of the essence. I had intended to pass by an WPB composite supplier this week when out on other errands, so I called today to ask if it was in stock, and to have it on will call, since they are rather odd about walk ins in the past.

I have bought from them for years, and spent a lot of money with them.

I tell the woman today on the phone, I want a single gallon of 4:1 hardener, can I pick it up this week? Understand, one normally doesn't mix brands of epoxy, and that by deduction means, I have at least 4 gals of epoxy resin that needs this hardener of their unique brand.

She says they are not allowing currently PU's, shipping only.

I say, I will pay for it by CC over the phone, can you just open the door and put it outside when I pull up outside?

"No, we can't let anybody inside"

I don't want to go inside, why can't you just put it outside on the step?

"those are the rules"

This is a single location material supplier.

I guess some places are not hurting for business.

I'll just go back to my 3:1 hardener sitting on my shelf and spend a little more free time on Moparts while I wait for the epoxy to harden .

Really? I don't think so.

Of course, the priority right now needs to be to deal with it and get it under control while limiting the damage to the economy and people's lives.

After that, we need to be deal with the people who caused this and make sure it doesn't happen again. What ever it takes. No excuses. No nicey-nice. No negotiation. Fix it. Disconnect. Kick to the curb. Pull everything out.

The actions of the Chinese, that are slowly coming to light, need to be made public so that everyone knows the kind of savages we've been dealing with. They may or may not have deliberately released the agent, but they damn sure deliberately withheld critical information in order to horde medical supplies and put themselves in a more favorable position. Their actions directly and intentionally caused hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world, wrecked economies. And if we allow it, benefited themselves greatly with this.

They threatened to cut off critical supplies - supplies that we should be making here - because we were being mean to them. They blamed to US military for causing this. They engaged in shady dealings and shakedowns around the world to profit from this crisis. They are threatening their neighbors militarily. They are unremorseful, unwilling to accept any blame. They are criminals on a huge scale.

Water under the bridge my rearend. They need to be treated like the dirty, 3rd world craphole that they are by every civilized country in the world. Damn the cheap crap.

In-line above ^^^

Hindsight is always clearer... hopefully people use it to better prepare for the next time.
But times being what they are... it will just be used by each side as talking points to attack the other.

nor did my wife or I