Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/25/20 09:36 PM
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DaveRS23
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Why were we unprepared? Why is a majority of our country's leadership in constant flux, do we have the best people handling the pandemic response? How were the best people handling the country's response duped? I do not think there is some nefarious motive in place. Here's why New York was unprepared; https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/we-di...-leaders-chose-not-to-prep-for-pandemic/
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/25/20 11:47 PM
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The same line of thinking prevailed when I was a kid about Japanese stuff. No matter what, the almighty dollar will always win. Today's generation is fine with China, and production wise, it appears to me China is eating our lunch in many areas. Best to build a better mousetrap first. No nation remains #1 forever, success breeds complacency, always has, always will, there are plenty of examples of this thru out history, and few care to learn those lessons. They better be learning them now. The Japanese haven't been an enemy since 1945. And their stuff was never as trashy as the Chicom junk. China has been at war with us for years and we're too stupid and ignorant to realize it. Better mousetrap? NOTHING made in China is as good as what was being made in America even years ago. Look around at what giving it all to China has brought us. 1. My life experiences, any from that generation, never stopped saying "remember Pearl Harbor", and all that entails. 2. When Japan was competing in our markets post war, ALL the Japanese hardware was considered Junk, which over decades, they overcame, deservedly so, IMO. 3. So I disagree with your analogy from two different eras.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/26/20 12:01 AM
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Tell that to the governor of PA and the clown show at the Dept. of Health. What's the numbers? Depends on who you ask and what day it is. The chief coroner is filing lawsuits over their inept handling of this. They added a bunch one day, got called on it, took them off the list, moved some around to different locations. It's a complete dumpster fire. The governor shut everything down, no notice, no consultation with business leaders, community officials or legislators. Just full tilt dictator, do it or suffer the consequences.
50000 deaths, what they leave out is New York state and New Jersey are almost 23000 alone. Under 30000 in the rest of the country and we destroy the economy, businesses, investments, jobs, lives, go in debt or print funny money by the trillions. People throw the word "trillions" around like I do with "hundreds".
We went to war with Japan over 2500 killed and a couple of ships sunk. China never fired a shot and they kicked our a$$es, bad. It remains to be seen what is done to make sure it doesn't happen again. The governor shut everything down, no notice, no consultation with business leaders, community officials or legislators. Just full tilt dictator, do it or suffer the consequences.Here's the hypocrisy in it. Think back Jan/Feb other events: Does he think he's the King? Can do anything HE wants? No way!!! No How!!. "America" wouldn't have stood for such a "national" issuance of present day "implements". But NOW that the Sh1t has hit-the-fan, what do we hear? Where's the Fed? Why haven't the "critical" companies been nationalized to help? Where's El Presidente now that we're drowing?/
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/26/20 12:14 AM
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The illness is real. New York City - probably the largest, most densely populated city in the country and never shut mass transit down - had a problem. Lock it down along with New Jersey, Connecticut, eastern PA, no argument from me.
But where I live, I think 2 people were confirmed and I'm not sure anyone even went to the hospital. But everything is still shut down. People out of work, businesses closed that may never reopen. Little pizza shops, restaurants, family owned places that people had their whole lives invested in. One person did that, the Governor, with no advice or input from anyone but the inept, unqualified clown running the health department. A health department that's playing "hide the bologna" with the numbers and even state legislators can't get a straight answer from them. Now we know why you hire the best qualified people instead of the PC choice.
The response for the majority of the country was way overboard and based on computer models that were so far off, it was criminal. What are they going to do? Tell us "sorry about that. Better safe than sorry"? Well great, but this is a little more serious than a weather report they don't get quite right.
What about the pork, poultry and dairy industries? 100s of thousands of pigs killed and buried rather than going to market. Who knows what food prices will look like 6 months from now. WalMart won't be put out of business. But what about the little diner or the take out place I used to go to? They've been shutdown for 2 months. What about the local family run beef or dairy farm?
Ultimately, this falls square in the lap of the Chinese. But there sure are a lot of people here putting the "never let a crisis go to waste" advice into action in ways I didn't think I'd ever see in this country. I think some people have even commented how easy it was to get everyone to submit and comply. Don't think that's not being noted for future reference, Excellent Reasoning Here! More people should read this AND conclude (or rationalize) that this "Yellow-Brick-Road" we're on MAY NOT lead all of us to OZ.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/26/20 02:41 PM
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Not able to post much since Friday morning when my mother had her 3rd stroke. On her 2nd stroke 3 years ago I was there to see the right side of her body go limp and we got to the ER within 40 minutes, Very quickly got tPA and then within an hour a team went in with a catheter from her groin all the way to the left medial artery in her brain and extracted the clot. Within a week she was waking with a walker and baby steps. On this 3rd stroke it happened during her sleep and by the time we got to the same ER as before the CAT scan showed the Left brain damage by the clot had been done over approximately 10 hours and neither tPA or catheter extraction was within protocol. Mom can slightly move her right arm as much as 2 feet but cannot move any right hand fingers. Right leg not moving but right foot randomly flexes and moves toes. While we were at the ER over 7 hours we saw at least ten COVID-19 swab tests being done on other patients. This hospital had 8 COVID-19 patients under care in a special sealed off wing. So now we have to worry did we breathe in anything. Everything was happening so urgently I could not remember the French study and to slap on 5 Nicotine Patches on my 2 arms and 2 legs And lower back
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/26/20 04:50 PM
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Sorry to hear that. I wish the best for you and your mom..
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/26/20 05:00 PM
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Sorry to hear about your Mom, certainly there is no road map for life. Hoping things get better for your family.
On catching COVID, it seems to me: 1. To a large degree, medical profession with relatively extreme protection methods, rarely catches the virus. 2. The public, using NYC as an example, when in weeks long "shelter in place", is still getting infected. 3. On the Cruise ships, when everyone was confined to their cabins, still weeks later were getting infected.
My first unproven conclusions based on above:
A. COIVID is indeed highly infectious ( we already know that) B. IN NYC, "shelter in Place" is not being diligently observed, or there is another infectious pathway "shelter in Place" does not by itself provide adequate isolation for C. Cruise ships are same as "B"
My suspicion, "shelter in place" in NYC really means "Most of the time" or "OK to violate if you don't get caught", or the outside wind driven air ( now that 6' distance is said to be arbitrary and 26'(?) is a more accurate number) on balcony' provides little infectious isolation in NYC type settings (Italy nighttime daily serenades comes to mind) and/or cruise ships, or something else. These continuing infections, albeit being somewhat reduced over time, shouldn't happen at all if "shelter in place" was adequate, and it appears not be, if all transmission is desired to be stopped, a more worthy goal then just "flattening the curve" at this point.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/27/20 10:40 PM
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So if I let it slip that riding around in a 1962 Polara 500 will cure COVID, will that start a run on them and they will overnight double in price? I own 4 of them, idea is starting to seem feasible, as I am standing in line to buy antacid.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/28/20 07:11 AM
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Kinda stunning study that maybe 96% of men with an age range of 17 to 47 ( typical prison inmate) or so who have had COVID-19 had no symptoms - no cough, no fever. If this is true then the COVID-19 fatality rate is like influenza - one tenth of one percent. Many, many people have had it and do not know that they had a period where they were spreading it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...avirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RXSample quote As mass coronavirus testing expands in prisons, large numbers of inmates are showing no symptoms. In four state prison systems — Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — 96% of 3,277 inmates who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic, according to interviews with officials and records reviewed by Reuters. That’s out of 4,693 tests that included results on symptoms. The numbers are the latest evidence to suggest that people who are asymptomatic — contagious but not physically sick — may be driving the spread of the virus, not only in state prisons that house 1.3 million inmates across the country, but also in communities across the globe. The figures also reinforce questions over whether testing of just people suspected of being infected is actually capturing the spread of the virus. End quote COVID-19 does cause blood clotting. Was my mother’s stroke due to COVID-19 even though she has no fever? My mother has had a “wet cough” that I thought were her typical allergies in this time of year. My sister’s OBG-CYN practice yesterday got 10 antibody test kits. She did a test on herself and is waiting on results.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/28/20 10:03 AM
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DaveRS23
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New CDC info. Notice that the flu was killing far more people than the virus until the end of March and that the flu is still killing more people than the virus in some areas. And it is also important to note that the criteria to define a death as 'Covid related' is very broad. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...g-the-death-rate-for-covid-19-heres-why/A big part of the reason for the virus' rapid spread is because most of those infected (60% to 80%) show little to no symptoms. Compare that to the flu. And the mortality rate is not level across all ethnicities. But if you are a white middle aged person with no underlying health issues, the mortality rate is well below 1%. Just how far below may never be known because of inadequate testing and selection bias.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/28/20 12:12 PM
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New CDC info. Notice that the flu was killing far more people than the virus until the end of March and that the flu is still killing more people than the virus in some areas. And it is also important to note that the criteria to define a death as 'Covid related' is very broad. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...g-the-death-rate-for-covid-19-heres-why/A big part of the reason for the virus' rapid spread is because most of those infected (60% to 80%) show little to no symptoms. Compare that to the flu. And the mortality rate is not level across all ethnicities. But if you are a white middle aged person with no underlying health issues, the mortality rate is well below 1%. Just how far below may never be known because of inadequate testing and selection bias. I am really confused, there are currently 56,000+ dead in in the US alone 6 weeks, and we are debating the fatality percentages in single digits? I fail to see how this matters, I thought most thought EVERY SINGLE life was important, and mattered, not percentages? Why is it important, other then reducing the death toll to zero?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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04/28/20 12:25 PM
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New CDC info. Notice that the flu was killing far more people than the virus until the end of March and that the flu is still killing more people than the virus in some areas. And it is also important to note that the criteria to define a death as 'Covid related' is very broad. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...g-the-death-rate-for-covid-19-heres-why/A big part of the reason for the virus' rapid spread is because most of those infected (60% to 80%) show little to no symptoms. Compare that to the flu. And the mortality rate is not level across all ethnicities. But if you are a white middle aged person with no underlying health issues, the mortality rate is well below 1%. Just how far below may never be known because of inadequate testing and selection bias. I am really confused, there are currently 56,000+ dead in in the US alone 6 weeks, and we are debating the fatality percentages in single digits? I fail to see how this matters, I thought most thought EVERY SINGLE life was important, and mattered, not percentages? Why is it important, other then reducing the death toll to zero? Because it is an inconvenience to them. They feel they are not at risk so they don't care about others. We can argue the numbers all day long but in the end it is an awful lot of dead people.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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