Restaurants - Plexiglas booths?

Schools/colleges - Online schooling. Would be a big cost saving to get rid of those buildings but social skills would suffer.

Groceries - Online ordering a pickup/deliveries. Wife an I were doing Hello Fresh for a couple years but FedEx TOTALLY dropped the ball on the last 2 weekly deliveries. They were 4 days late. Yuck. I had to cancel the service. BUT if the shipping companies can ramp up to handle the load of this new normal I'll sign up again. GREAT way to get healthy, home cooked food. One of my employees also gets bulk produce delivered. We are probably going to split/share orders. Guess the companies that normally supplied restaurants are now delivering to residential customers.

Banking - Who goes into a bank anymore? The ONLY time I goto a bank is to do wire transfers. Bank said I can setup my own account so I dont even need to go in to do that. Old fashioned checks I just scan and deposit using a phone app. Invetsments, IRA's, all done online.

Mail - dont get me started. Letter should cost $5 to send to discourage. They should become obsolete. Junk mail too. Instead of home delivery have massive storage/po box places. Would eliminate 10's of thousands of vehicles and hundreds of thousands of workers. The postal system is a dinosaur.

HOPING maybe gas stays below 1$ per gallon!

How about some GOOD QUALITY silicone to make your own gaskets ....
... and with a 3D printer !

My company has been very hesitant to accommodate working from home, that said, I'm going on 4 weeks of working from home now. I think we'll see a shift in the availability to work from home, to some extent. This will offer some relief to congestion, traffic, fuel consumption as well as [negatively] extra spending [eating out, stopping by the store on the way home, etc.].

Masks will be extremely common in the US for at least several months after this, it will be the next trendy thing to have and ensure that you are seen as "healthy". People strive for that image.

The new normal will be almost identical to the old normal. The question is only how long it takes to get there.

Once this is over I think it'll go back to normal over time. Maybe more stores will offer the buy online and pickup at store deal if they didn't before and they think it is beneficial.
The only paces I see the plexiglass barriers staying are maybe any high risk places were employees were already pushing for them before but the store didn't want to spend the money on it.

Until there is an effective, reliable Vaccine; millions will stay home.

With the new professional office layouts favoring "Hoteling", the number of folks going to the office will be largely reduced in the near term. People will be scared to go to an office. Also, in the near term, onboarding for new employees in office situations will be challenging. New office employees over 50 will have an especially hard time. Over 60, are in for very tough times.

Probably 1/3 of the retail outlets and small businesses will not survive. Commercial landlords will have a glut of space in the next 1-3 years.

Costco, Lowes, and Amazon will be just fine.

As newspapers fail, small retailers and service companies will turn to increasingly obnoxious ways of looking for customers.

I teach auto at a tech college. We can(and currently are) teach theory online but for the skilled trades(current HUGE demand) they need to be in the labs. In order to keep teaching skilled trades(and do it well) we will need those buildings and everything that goes with them. Our tag line is Hands On Higher Ed( not virtual hands on)

Agreed, humans are creatures of habit and conditioning...

And people will forget this right away... they have a sort attention span

New habits take about 2 months to form, we're there. Not to say they won't be broken, but there are many things that people once saw as "critical" to their lives as completely irrelevant in the future.

My favorite example is sports, it's been completely stripped in all forms from the Globe. Once considered a religion by some has dissolved and people have found other things to do and have probably reconsidered many priorities in their lives. Will they still watch? Probably. Will they still feel they have to watch every game and keep up? For the most part, I think not.

Time will tell, but it's been long enough to adjust many things once considered necessary.

I completely agree. It won't take long for things to go back to normal. Just look at 911. A huge segment of the population wasn't even born when it happened. With the exception of airline regulations and extra bag checks when you enter large venues, what has changed? People will forget about this fairly quickly IMO.



I don't agree with this at all. I'm pretty much the only person at work who doesn't live and breath sports. Everyone I work with has been going crazy without it. I'm talking about people who have their kids in every possible sport. They are at sporting events EVERY weekend and most week nights. I don't get the appeal but for the people I work with sports are their life. That will not change one bit.

Agreed. And that normal will be preceded by a staggered roll-out.

I not a sports freak but I sure wish they would open bowling alleys before too long. The three leagues a week I bowl is just about my only steady recreation.

Very few places accepting cash so I think we will see cash go by the wayside fairly soon.

Doubt that. Too much crime revolves around cash. Think most politicians would be VERY upset to see the end of cash.


And sports, man I'm glad I never caught whatever that is. If every ball (and puck) sport ended tomorrow I wouldn't miss it. I just don't get it.

I really look forward to going to a Shonen Knife festival.
(No I don't)

I think you'll see some light rules put in place so the economies can re-open (masks at work or to shop etc) and those rules will slowly fade away as we squish the virus and things will go right back to the way they were. I also believe you'll see that the huge shut downs were overkill and history will prove it and remind all of us about it frequently.

I think that's premature, until the lifecycle of this virus is fully understood, especially regarding how it mutates. There are people right now who have had the virus, both here in the US and abroad, been 'cured' but then two weeks later have retested positive for the virus and start to show symptoms again.

https://hudsonvalleyone.com/2020/04...ovid-19-then-they-tested-positive-again/

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...-coronavirus-patients-in-south-korea-are

This virus strain can be spread by people who have it but show NO symptoms. I realize people are going nuts over being cooped up and over the loss of their livelihoods, But unless social distancing continues, we might well see death rates approaching those of the 1918 Spanish Flu. In the US, that was 670,000, when the population in this country was a lot less dense than it is today.

In short, we need time for the real science to be done and an effective vaccine is made available. Studies have already concluded that the malaria drug that's been touted as a cure is not effective in a broad enough portion of the population to be a cure.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...ronavirus-patients-in-controlled-studies

I don't think much will change around here. Self isolation isn't anything new here, it's a way of life.

Where are you? Cash works fine here. Nobody not accepting it that I know of.

Don't forget everyone will have a closet full of N95 masks and TP.

personally i think things will mostly return to normal pretty fast after its over. i'm sure some will wear masks and stock up on things but all in all i think it will return to what we remember as normal. i think americans will finally embrace the bidet, i know i love ours and am glad we had it..:) hopefully companies will allow more work at home for their employees. if possible there is no reason not to do it except for a control freak boss that thinks you need to be in the office to be productive.ii i hope to see more online schooling. seems to have been working out pretty well with my 11 year old. the thing she misses the most is the social part of it. be nice to see if she is out sick or we take her out of school for vacation she wouldn't miss a beat with online classes.. i hope to see a lot of the smaller bar/restaurants continue to do curb side pick up.. thats been working pretty well around here. DMV need to step up and figure out how to title and register vehicles online here in NJ. i'd like to see some cash only places in this area start taking cards. hell i rarely ever have cash on me...





i think you are way off on that one... listen to some north east sports radio and you'll clearly see that sport is alive and well. sports fans chomping at the bit for it to come back.. wait till he NFL draft this week. ratings will be through the roof and the talk the next day will be all about it. can't talk at the water cooler but they will take to facebook and calling into the radio stations.... only people that sports have a possibility of losing is the casual fan who they really don't care about anyway.. now that doesn't mean it won't take some time for stadiums to be totally full but that too will return as things get better.

This ^

I disagree, at least when it comes to working from home. Now that people have started working from home on a large scale, there's no going back. Employees are going to expect/demand to be able to work from home more frequently, or as part of their normal schedule.

Banking has been changing through normal course, and will continue to do so. However, I don't think the coronavirus will cause much change regarding banking brick and mortar. In fact, people were going nuts trying to get into banks. Local banks extended hour's, kept lobbies open, and had a scary run on money. They actually put controls in place to slow the cash leaving the vaults.

It is sad how many people and small business have virtually zero cash reserve.

My current normal is as it was before this clown show started.

It won't change after.

When our governor announced that he had a press conference on the SUnday he ultimately closed restaurants, etc...I had a feeling something was coming down, as he'd said previously he'd not hold a press conference until he had something to tell us. I ran out and got a hair cut, and took $500 out of the ATM. Still have $280 of it left. That was over a month ago. Most has gone either to tipping when we've done carryout, or the delivery folks, and the remainder went to my kids for doing a ton of extra chores around the house. I did not want to be caught without cash, even though most of what I spend goes on our credit card.

They can demand all they want, but if employers don't go along it won't happen. Teleworking will probably increase naturally, but it won't be because of these current events.

Like 2K, ozone hole, human caravans, unintended acceleration, HIV, eggs, etc?

It's these current events that have opened the door, and forced all of the control hungry micromanagers out there to let people work from home where possible/applicable. Those who were vehemently opposed to allowing their folks to do so would've put it off as long as possible had this not happened.

I can't work from home, but I'm all for it because for every person who does, there's one less car on I95 for my commute. But those micromanagers will want their underlings back under their thumbs as soon as possible.

Agreed, and in a small business, they will have the final say. In a medium or large-sized company, the workers are going to have a lot more leverage, because working from home was already an increasing trend, and this is going to accelerate it. If a company was allowing it before, but certain managers within were not, those managers are no longer going to have any good reason to be the outliers/holdouts. We're already seeing it here, and it's actually quite funny to watch the panicked realization sink in with those folks.

I hope it works out well for your company. Nothing like doing risk assessments in Superman PJs, eh?

(No sarcasm intended. You've been very generous with sound insurance information here.)

Precisely. The next question, is will US citizens tolerate what was asked of them this time. Not likely. The pretext was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, because they were unprepared. No excuse next time.

Too many people won't go with the program, and the people who are taking financial blow, won't be able to- Keep operating until they are shut down, because they won't be able to stay afloat.

Ya know, I was wrong when I said it was too late to bug out for yer country home. Glad to see you embarrassed the point.

The new normal will be another piece of our freedom taken from us: The new normal will have more questions on travel, and new tracking snuck into smartphones.

The virus does not care if you are a good or bad person. It does not care about any thing you feel.

It only reacts if you are available.

Here's the over / under on that and pardon while I repeat: worked for the OEM that invented it.

For it to be normal it needs to be the companies idea and it needs to make economic sense. IF the current work at home workforce did what many of them I know did - ordered a truck load of groceries, cobbled a work space (nice job at networks w/ green screen) and took advantage of the benefits to improve productivity - then the company can easily say the cost of the technology is less than the cost of the real estate and the time.

On the under side if productivity and quality declined after VPN deployed because of bottom dwellers and pointless middle management, then no you've just made IT's argument for them - you can't trust the user. If the work at home force was a large enough percentage of the company then you've got access to data on all of it plus business continuation planning points which was a boom market post 911.

I mean let's try this: let's say the twin towers are still there but they're empty. Everybody that should be hunkered in to a cubical is now hunkered under the stairs in a green screen suit and business is continuing. It's the answer that the post 911 world never arrived at. One of the great failures of the attack was the belief that a building mattered. In the economic sense it absolutely didn't because the data of the enterprise was already distributed. There is no such thing has attacking the ONE thing. A lot of commerce was done and a lot more was done consciously and dove tailed with natural disaster but asked the wrong question: when this office closes for plague, meteor, blizzard, what office is our rally point?

The answer should have been we don't need an office, meet me under the stairs. I bet the delivery drivers that aren't dealing with 4 wheelers are loving these times. The 911 world didn't have a fiber back bone. It got installed for xbox. We can do better things with it. I was much more useful to several companies when WAH vs not in the dark days and it worked. Oh, btw, this was my wall paper cus my boss said winsheild time:

First time a bank or convenience store gets robbed by someone wearing a corona mask that will be the end of those.

100% agree there. Regarding that info, the questions becomes whether or not companies/managers drill down to each individual contributor's performance, or do they just look a the performance of the group/department in question overall? My suspicion is that many will do the latter.

i'm astonished one hasn't been reported yet !

It's going to be different because the shutdown got people to try new things. teledoc was starting to be used before the virus to save money and now that people have tried it it will be used more often. People who started to have grocerys delivered love it and won't go back. Some workers will lose their jobs because the company found out how they could get by with less. It will return to a new normal that probably would have happened anyway over the next several years but got jump started by the outbreak.

The gamer generation is using the xbox technology to leverage what's always been there. That was always the axe to the head moment as a integrator. Listen pal, you can plug in to all of this and move it, why do care where it is. Install solar and lets go. Another board was showing a liveish measurement of something corona and demonstrated it working. It's the same grid and tools and always has been. My girl is of this generation and this plague has forced her to leverage her technology to put tablets in the hands of school children instead of win virtual jelley beans.

Let me try this as practical application: your plaque mileage may vary. walk down an aisle in a store and notice how stocked it is with whatever and I'll pick corn flakes because I spent 5 years moving them and understand the model. If I had been running IT instead of a fork lift, I'd be able to stand in front of that widget in that store and tell you where every case of it in the country is. Corn flakes plus 10 brands in 100 warehouses, production points, 1000 customers at 100 trucks per w/h per day. If you're work tablet can show you every corn flake in the country because you're a kellogg employee, what can in tell you about 1000 companies doing the same thing with their widgets or infections.

I think that will be the post 911 add of c19: 911 brought us lots of focus on who people where and what bombs they might be carrying. c19 will bring lots of focus on what they're health is. Can you be poked and tested for 19 things when you get herded down the take your belt off chute? Why not and why not plug it in to the back bone. If they already know I'm in Jamaica for 2 wks (a/l), give me my shots going out and know what to expect coming back. Post 911 security did bring infrastructure and data and I say leverage it with heath integration.


Superman PJs? Why not? When this started my niece posted about her child running naked toward a teleconfernce, I replied give it a couple weeks and you'll be the naked one. Didn't follow with that I was before the tele fiber was there. I've got a few good kodak moments. This just close yer doors thing has forced it in great numbers to maybe swing it. Dr's are doing tele med they should have been for a decade. Moving masks, beds, shots around is easy. It's knowing where and when that gets expensive.

While I wander around my lawn.

oh there have been robberies by people wearing surgical masks.. he is just one. https://www.fox23.com/news/local/tu...urgical-mask/S52FJOLVT5FAHD2ADZ442NJY4A/
i know there was here in phila or ny recently too..

Hospitals going bankrupt

Same here, the only impact this has had for me were the lines to get into a store, then deal with the mask wearing panic driven idiots panic shopping, I very rarely eat out/dine so restaurant closings didn't bother me, 90% of the businesses I deal with were open for business... in fact I only missed 1 day of work shaking off the high fever and cold sweats of having the so-called dreaded Covid19, the other 4 weeks at work were quite challenging dealing with the extreme fatigue your body experiences along with the dry never ending cough and labored breathing,...but guess what, of the other 100 employees I work with no one got sick....because I made it known, and kept my distance from other co-workers (this was in February, long before any "guidelines" were enacted)

I only contracted this decease because my Daughter made a trip to the local hospital for an unrelated test, ended up contracting it most likely at the hospital and then infecting me in the aftermath....

IMHO had the country never shut down, and public service messages been made to warn everyone to expect what was coming, and then let the chips fall where they may for those not capable of surviving, we would have feared much better than the current state of crap we're in....

The schools will never go away, they are glorified baby sitters as much as they are teachers, this will be the test that proves that. Also by social skills going away I think its more like peer pressure would go away and kids could be themselves more, even if they did lose the physical building it would not be a big loss (well except for the petri dish that schools are).

This is probably just a hitch in the economy, it was so strong that hopefully a recovery won't take too long over this massive over reaction we have had. This reaction is like a karate kick to the face when the doc taps your knee. I think all the plexi glass will go away, life will go back to normal, some people will shuffle their employment situations around and we will look back and say it was a bigger overreaction than Y2K was.

I have heard that strip clubs will have plexiglass bubbles around the poles and employ lot lizards to keep the bubbles clean constantly...

NFL draft shattered all-time viewership record for first round https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...DkgcB09jAxYY7IvaQQLL8PpPru1wC1xStSnoj8zA

Um....hasn't this been going on pretty much for decades?

There is some humor in the fact you have to wear a mask in the bank

Tongue in cheek, I was referring to the medical field........

You're right! Who remembers Y2K with people building bunkers, and stockpiling food. Remember the newspaper articles of the "ethics" while your neighbors are starving and you have stockpiled food?

And more recent than that was the 2009 Swine Flu outbreak... when 100-200k dead was floated, then quietly put to bed. It ended up being just over 12.5k dead... no where near even 100k. It took them 2yrs to collect the final figures & realize mortality rate was pretty low. In fact more people died from swine flu THIS YEAR. But no one cares, because the new kid on the block is sucking all the air out of the room

I will give you some insight on the new normal. China will become our friend. They already own a lot of real estate here. They will open Factories here to employ our un employed. WE WILL work for min. wage and be proud to produce goods Here again.We will be happy to make our own Harbour Freight tools. Might even get employe discount. The current situation of Stay At Home is just the primary step in the forthcoming future. We will not need to speak Chineese, they will speak " Ingwish.
Chinese immigration will flourish so they can help establish our new workforce.
They already do that in several countries.
Slowly we will become the united states of China.
I predict a lot of this will ramp up after November. The only people here that will really care are just a few nostalgic old folks.
All that is really left is our self, memories, and photographs.

Just as this moment in time, NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
All the previous post to this thread is just hopes of a Semi changed America. THINK BIG, HUGE CHANGE.
Don't get mad at me. I do not endorse it. I am only the messenger.

To quote Pete Townshend: "Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss"

I dont think we will fully return to normal until a vaccine is in place and we have a dedicated drug to cure this virus. Until then many people will avoid crowds and wear masks. Its not all panic as some make it out to be. Unless you have been unfortunate enough to have contacted this virus and were hospitalized or have loved ones in that situation my thought is your way over the line in downplaying what we are going through.
Some of us are lucky we live in a part of the country with little exposure to this virus, some of us are not and living in the confines of NYC, I can assure any and all its no joke.
I won't be going to Carlisle this year if its still on. I wont be walking the boardwalk down the Jersey shore this summer either. If I got sick and passed it to my wife there would be a good chance she wouldn't survive, I couldn't deal with passing it to her.
I hope things open soon and those of you who got laid off or had to shut their business's, I hope you all start working soon.
Please take care of yourself and your families. Better days are coming and like everything else this will pass.

^^^^^ i agree completely ! especially about giving it to my wife.
several swaps i really enjoy going to have been rescheduled or canceled, and i'm thinking very hard about not attending carlisle. if i don't go, that will be only three times i have missed since it started.
stay safe out there !

I agree also.
I would have a problem giving it to anyone, especially if it was just due to seeking my own self enjoyment.
The vaccine is key here.
Those that must work, and be out and about, take your chances. many will pray for you I'm sure, everyone else, decide what yours or another's life is worth to you, and act accordingly.

the past couple of days [friday and saturday], i have had pressing police commissioner duties [a job i have had since 1985].
it was something that had to be done using in person contact, so masks and gloves were a REQUIREMENT, as well as social distancing.[the six feet suggestion].
it was VERY hard/impossible to accomplish the social distancing in a squad car [SUV]. also, the same applies to interview/interrogation rooms.
this will conclude in the district attorney's office tomorrow, which will also hamper the social distancing suggestion.
hats off to those first responders who must deal with this close contact daily !

and as an aside, the [police] chief confided in me yesterday, he believes he had this virus in late february lasting until the second week of march, way before the mask/distance guidelines were in effect.
it was NASTY and his doc declared it a "super flue type" [ he wasn't tested because the test[s] were unavailable at the time], but his position REQUIRES him to be on the job.
we had several contacts around that time and after, so i MAY have been exposed. it has been way more than 14 days after our final contact until friday, so since my wife and i have shown no symptoms, i either didn't catch it then, or was asymptomatic.
somewhat of a close call for me, as both my wife and i will have a devil of a time if we get this thing because of our pre-existing conditions.
stay SAFE out there !

I'm beginning to think this assessment may have been a little premature. Even if it does hold up, it looks like it's going to take a lot longer than I thought.

Have reservations to go camping in VA in two weeks. I’ve been optimistic until this week now I’m just ready to cancel it. A turn to normal is going to be a long time coming.

Let me tell you what MY new normal will be:

I am now a criminal, like felony-level criminal. Just like that. Went to bed one day, fine, work up the next, i'm an evil [censored]. So... it would seem i'm going to have to start thinking like a criminal, and acting like one.

See... i never... EVER thought... not in my entire lifetime... i'd say this, but i am envious ov your American government. Our (Canadian) government is taking this entire epidemic thing as a perfect opportunity for a MASSIVE power grab, and they're making changes, drastic changes, faster than a 10/11 GW Bush. Suddenly, just like that, HALF ov our guns are illegal. No warning, no conversation, no vote, just 'Hey, heres a list, if you have one on it, you're a felon unless you "sell" it "back" to us at pennies on the dollar' (pennies you dont even get, mind you). Our government-run car insurance just (again, overnight, no warning, no nothing) well more than DOUBLED my car insurance... for no reason... which i will now quite literally have to break the law to pay off. That was a lovely surprise. And... with this bullsh!t vaccine coming hard and fast, i will lay good money down that my government will be one ov the few to mandate it. I will inject heroin in my veins before they touch me with that poison.

So yeah... what a virus. Went to bed healthy and law-abiding (more or less), and woke up a felon.

Swell.

"Fair compensation" suuuure... Maybe you can get them grandfathered?

Lots of things will either stop, turn virtual, or move outdoors.

New normal, CRAPPY USPS shipping.

I ordered a part from Washington state (to Michigan). It took 43 days. We ship 100-200 packages a day and I'd say 20% are taking from a few days to a few weeks extra to ship using USPS. I STRONGLY discourage people from using USPS on my website but they still do and then want to know why its taking so long to get delivered and why the tracking isn't being updated after spending a WHOLE $2.98 of postage. Wheres the SMACKING MY FOREHEAD emoji.

NOTHING will return to the way it was. How can it unless you have a death wish. I bet a 1/2 the people I talk to think this is all overblown and would take a flight to Wuhan, China and ordering a steaming bowl of bat soup People act like they can't wait to got Carlisle. I'm gonna mss Carlisle. I paid $800 for my spots. I bought a new $10,000 trailer. I'll lose thousands in sales. But at 57 even getting the flu sucks anymore. Not sure i could afford to be laid up for a month.

Wife and i drove down to a small "eclectic" restaurant in Detroit this morning to get Americanos and scones. Curbside only. Wearing masks, hazmat suits, hand sanitizer, 6ft distancing, the whole 9 yards. Takes the fun out of going out on Sat morning. Restaurants are just not going to make it like that.

I'm not changing a thing. People act like this was the apocalypse.

Compared to the flu of 1918, World War II and probably a few bad flu seasons since this was way overblown. The public has been played.

Not saying that it was a hoax. I am saying it was milked for all it was worth by a lot of people for their own benefit - money, power, fame.

So true. Gonna be "interesting" to see what % of the trillions of $$$ goes unaccounted for. Or misappropriated/miss used/etc.
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Its all up in the air now. We have serious people fighting them. Canada has 4 gun orgs, but we dont have anything near the teeth the NRA has. I'm not at all optimistic. At best, they'll allow some grandfathered, but either unable to use them... and i mean AT ALL... or deactivated. Neither is an option. Its funny... i've told my gun friends (that have been into this far longer than i have) that there is no point in legally owning anything other than a long, hunting gun in this stupid country. If you NEED a handgun, or AR, buy it illegally. Turns out... i was right all along. I know people with tens ov thousands ov bucks tied up into this. They're getting NOTHING back. Worse... they wont even know that until they try, and then they'll be on the list, and forced either way. You want to know how utterly absurd this is? They have ALL 12ga shotguns on the list... so that means even grampa's old break-open single shot duck gun is a felony possession. Even the gun-ANAL Western European countries never went this far.

Canada might be another Australia or New Zealand.. Thank God for the 2A.
After the first felony the rest are free.

Agreed,

1000 percent

I totally agree also !

I'm not sure how Australia are on their gun laws, but they're [censored] draconian on many other harmless things. I sure as hell would never live there. NZ is gorgeous, but i wouldn't want to live there either.

You have to wonder what the war generations (WW1, WW2) think about all this pain and misery. Utterly devastating world wars, utterly devastating aftermaths, Spanish Flu, the Great Depression, The Dust Bowl... probably a small mercy few ov them are alive and coherent these days... they'd spend their last days wracked with disgust at the people they fought and suffered for.