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OEM oil filter #276543
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I pulled the oil filter off the 67 Belvedere after it had been sitting 25 yrs, its the original white, with the mopar logo, can I still get one?


67 Ply. Belvedere II 2dr Hardtop 73 Dodge Charger SE 440+6 727 Dana 60 4.10 78 Chrysler Cordoba 400-4 727 9 1/4 3.21 1999 Dodge Diesel 2500 QuadCab Longbox 2004 Dodge Durango HEMI Limited
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i thought white filter wasnt used until mid 70s?

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Interesting subject.
I was always under the impression , the textured green one was fatory intalled up until around 1971 or 72
and the all white one with black lettering( maybe dark blue) was some over the counter installs along with the green one

the red , white and blue one came in around 1972

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And.....For those of you who spring for an original NOS correct green filter, don't forget, they were isntalled when the engine was painted, they had overspray on them! Haven't seen one done correctly yet!


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Yeah Scott the logo was different red/blue i think, I thought I saved the filter.


67 Ply. Belvedere II 2dr Hardtop 73 Dodge Charger SE 440+6 727 Dana 60 4.10 78 Chrysler Cordoba 400-4 727 9 1/4 3.21 1999 Dodge Diesel 2500 QuadCab Longbox 2004 Dodge Durango HEMI Limited
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When the selling dealership did the new car prep, did they change the oil filter. If so, what filter did they put on?

Re: OEM oil filter [Re: moparply] #276549
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Could this one be the one installed during prep or even the first oil change. Anybody else have one... basically the same as the 1851658 with emossed M, except graphics are a bit different.

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Most of my parts books are in storage while basement is being finished , But I have 68 thru 71 parts books handy right now + can't even find the 2806201 number in any of them. so I'm wondering when or where this first appeared.

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I could not find the part number anywhere from 66 up but it is the same as the 1851568 and has the embossed M.
Here is a 72 and 73 offering, 72 black on the left, 73 blue on the right.

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Oil filters were not on the engine during the factory engine paint process. Original photos, from back in the day to follow.

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Here is a 71 oil filter. It came out of a bulk case of 12 filters, they were not individually boxed, just cardboard dividers seperating the filters, the case/box was the standard brown color cardboard, the parts label was the blue/white style and was separately ink stamped dated 5-71 (the packaging date) (not the manufacture date of the label itself). Would this be the correct dealer prep oil filter for at least late 71 cars according to the date on the bulk case? Has anyone ever seen one of these bulk cases dated earlier then this date with this style filter?

When a car is restored to the OE Gold level, is it supposed to be restored to pre dealer delivery (just after the build at the plant) or to after dealer prep (when delivered to the customer)? Did the selling dealers change the oil filters during dealer prep?

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When a car is restored to the OE Gold level, is it supposed to be restored to pre dealer delivery (just after the build at the plant) or to after dealer prep (when delivered to the customer)? Didn't the selling dealers change the oil filters during dealer prep?




Ken good question about OE Gold Level

While working at Mopar Dealers(mechanic)from 1970 to 1984 I did prep cars at times and don't remember changing oil or filters.We made sure everything worked and that all oil levels where correct.IIRC they came back for service at about 1500 or 3000 miles


Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17

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Mike,

I should have stated that from what I've seen to date (one original survivor 1966 Hemi car and one survivor 1967 Hemi car) the filters were installed when the engine was painted. I assumed this because both had engine orange over spray on them. Other years or plants may have varied thier procedures.

*For what it's worth, any photos of engines being assembled or other supportive evidence to prove ANY original OE assembly line details for these cars or engines, etc. would always be welcomed and appreciated. The only thing that's known for certain is that we certainly don't know everything. We all need to work together to compile all of the information we can.

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? Did the selling dealers change the oil filters during dealer prep?




Years ago I was given some good instructional advice regarding the way the factory processed and built their vehicles. Wayne Wolfgram (Ford Motor Company Vice President) told me to use the "most straight forward common sense approach" when trying to figure out areas that were not documented by engineering drawings. I guess the first thing to ask is "why" would the dealership change a brand new filter (on a delivered vehicle), throw it away and replace it with another new filter? Not only would they have been replacing a perfectly good filter, they would need to clean up any oil spill and also replace/add the quart of oil that would have still been in the factory filter! What about the large area that would have been required to store all of these "oil soaked" messy new filters? What program did they initiate for discarding these "used" filters and this EPA nightmare of a scenario? Would they also have changed the fuel filters? How about the air cleaner filter elements? I seriously doubt it! The Mound Road engine facility manufactured and painted most of the Chrysler engines. They were shipped to the various assembly plants where the secondary items such as A/C, Power Steering components, Air Breather housings and yes, oil filters were attached. Here is a period correct photo from 1969 showing the Emissions test being performed. Notice the oil filter and it's coloring.


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I can only speak of what General Motors has done over the years. Motors would reach the plant without oil filters on. The line worker would remove a thin paper cardboard filler that was stuck in the oil filters place. The line worker would then spin the blue or black filter on and apply an air oil filter wrench that would torque out and stop when tight. When out sourcing became the thing in the late 70s and early 80s oil filters started to appear on the motors when they reached the Assembly Plant. Once in a while there would be a cardboard cover on the filter that was used when painting the motor. This only occurred from one Motor Assembly Plant. making me think the other plants painted their motors before the filter was applied. Some motors never cam in with oil filters installed till Gm redesigned the oil cooler system that would elimitate the adapter between the filter and block. All motors come in at present with oil filters at the plant I work at.


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Let us not forget the 3549957 "shorty" filter introduced in 1971. Here is one next to my Chrysler Parts 2536186 HP filter.

Bill Rolik

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Reverse side!



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P.S. I had as one of my responsibilities "Dealer Prep" at that time, and at least at the dealerships I worked for, there were no oil/filter changes prior to delivery.

Which REMINDS ME of a brief funny story about a brand new employee who had his work bay next to mine: The Service Manager asked this newbie to bring a new Duster in to the shop, go to the Parts Department, get a radio, and put it (i.e. install it) in the Duster. He put it in the car alright: He put the radio installation package on the back seat and pulled the car outside, thinking he was done.

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Hey Wild Bill! Glad to see you could make it to this party.
The oil filters were truly a “factory” piece in the scheme of things. Some of the assembly line parts were never put into “service” after the fact. They had parts to function as the factory versions but did not have the same cosmetic appearance. Other items such as Batteries and Battery Cables fit into this category.
In 1970 if you picked up your new car and immediately drove around the back to the parts department, you would not get the same battery that came in the car from the assembly line. The same is true for the oil filters. If you went to the parts counter in 1969 or 1970, you would not receive the “green” style filter. The white (with blue print) “sand grain top” version is what you would have received. A year or two later Chrysler came out with the red, white and blue version oil filter. There was an early style of that particular filter followed by some other variations of the “flag” colored unit. Chrysler was not the only manufacturer that had these types of scenarios taking place regarding their replacement parts.

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Hey Wild Bill! Glad to see you could make it to this party.
The oil filters were truly a “factory” piece in the scheme of things. Some of the assembly line parts were never put into “service” after the fact. They had parts to function as the factory versions but did not have the same cosmetic appearance. Other items such as Batteries and Battery Cables fit into this category.
In 1970 if you picked up your new car and immediately drove around the back to the parts department, you would not get the same battery that came in the car from the assembly line. The same is true for the oil filters. If you went to the parts counter in 1969 or 1970, you would not receive the “green” style filter. The white (with blue print) “sand grain top” version is what you would have received. A year or two later Chrysler came out with the red, white and blue version oil filter. There was an early style of that particular filter followed by some other variations of the “flag” colored unit. Chrysler was not the only manufacturer that had these types of scenarios taking place regarding their replacement parts.




Dave, could you explain why you would drive to the back to the parts department when you received a new car and had to get a new oil filter or battery?
im not understanding this?
wouldnt the battery be new and ok same with the oil filter?

Re: OEM oil filter [Re: 73ChargerSE440] #276562
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I pulled the oil filter off the 67 Belvedere after it had been sitting 25 yrs, its the original white, with the mopar logo, can I still get one?




So were talking a car that has been off the road since 1984 ?. I would think the car would have had several oil changes prior to this???. What filter was mopar useing in the early 80's.

There is a picture of a room full of Hemi engines sitting at a Lynch Road assembly plant in this months Winged Warriors news letter. They look like they are missing the carburetors,exhaust manifolds and OIL filter. The starters and valve covers are on them, and painted black. These engines look like they are painted...so how does the exhaust manifolds, and oil filter get painted??
All the information I have seen says these items were on the engine when painted. I have read where the carbs and valve covers had a box put over them when the engine was painted. But what about the starter? I can't believe they painted the whole engines twice?




Thanks Dan

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