Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: CMcAllister]
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11/19/19 09:41 AM
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I'm really surprised at the incredible naiveté expressed here.
Who do helmets protect: 1. the person wearing it 1. the insurance companies
Who do they have absolutely not effect on: 1. the other 7,000,000,000 people on the planet, including you
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/19/19 01:26 PM
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I'm really surprised at the incredible naiveté expressed here.
Who do helmets protect: 1. the person wearing it 1. the insurance companies
Who do they have absolutely not effect on: 1. the other 7,000,000,000 people on the planet, including you Can't argue that, but did have to check the 7 billion number. I'm amazed, actually shows as 7.5b. I thought we were still at 3 1/2 b. I'm out of touch When I was born, was about 2.5b So if I use an old helmet, there will only be 6,999,999,999 Think I'll be missed/
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: sgcuda]
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11/19/19 01:31 PM
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Where are you going racing around here that you need a new certified helmet to pass tech? Even when I was at an NHRA tech'd event (only twice in my "career"), they never looked at my helmet. It's not a matter of passing tech. It's a matter of piece of mind and safety. I just finished up a car for my son. First time ever drag racing. Car is going low 7's in the 1/8 right now. Soon to be going low 6's, maybe high 5's. When your kids want to start racing because Daddy does it, let me know if you put that 20 year old helmet on their heads. Calm down Kenny. My question was out of curiosity to see if yall got hassled at a track (I know yall went to Pageland recently) around here for an older helmet, b/c I never have.
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/19/19 03:11 PM
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I'm really surprised at the incredible naiveté expressed here.
Who do helmets protect: 1. the person wearing it 1. the insurance companies
Who do they have absolutely not effect on: 1. the other 7,000,000,000 people on the planet, including you Then the question is, who pays the increased Insurance rates because of a track injury?: 1. The poor choice helmeted injured driver? 2. The 7 + billion? 3. Or the other track racers?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/19/19 03:14 PM
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I'm really surprised at the incredible naiveté expressed here.
Who do helmets protect: 1. the person wearing it 1. the insurance companies
Who do they have absolutely not effect on: 1. the other 7,000,000,000 people on the planet, including you Sort of. Should we as participants not be concerned about other participants being killed, burned, disabled, flung from cars like we can see happening in old films of Indy and sprint cars? Should we be OK with guys wearing leather helmets and T-shirts at the speeds we are seeing now? Plain vanilla bracket cars are going faster than Top Fuel cars were years ago. Should safety not also evolve to keep up? Why not take advantage of the technology? Should a person be allowed to drive a Top Sportsman car in a ball cap and shorts? What about his family? What about who's going to pay the medical bills for him being stupid if it's his turn to be unlucky? Public image and insurability are two things that need to be at the top of the list, if we want to continue to do this. We've come a long way from the old street racing hoodlum days, despite the negative image portrayed in some current TV shows. While I appreciate the Libertarian ideas of allowing people to be as stupid as they want to be, we are living in a world where BEING SAFE is often the most important consideration for any activity, if we want to be seen on the same level as other mainstream sports. Nothing happens anymore that doesn't get instantly spread through social media, especially if it is something bad. Frankly, I prefer to see video or reports of ridiculously bad accidents, fires, or the incidents that are inevitably going to happen, and see the guy walk away from it without a scratch. That's when the value of all this "safety crap" becomes evident. Years ago, I did tech at a local track, and I looked at the cars, not just handed out stickers. It was unbelievable the crap some people would want to be allowed to run down the track. Then get mad at me because I didn't want to sign off on them racing in a death trap. So yes, some folks need to be protected from themselves to keep the rest of us from looking like idiots. I like to go to the range, do a little target shooting on occasion. And I really don't want to see an idiot shoot themselves, accidentally or otherwise, for many of the same obvious reasons I don't want to see anyone hurt in a race car. It's not a good look.
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: jcc]
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11/19/19 08:59 PM
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who pays the increased Insurance rates because of a track injury As a result of someone injured in a race (for which he already waived litigation) due to his own negligence? He won't get a dime, and you won't pay for it.
That was the "legal" argument giving the Federal government the right to lock you up for... not wearing your seat belt. Remind me - where does this appear in the Constitution? Trick question: it doesn't.
Very simple: you're responsible for your own life, but not mine, unless you want to pay for it. Give me your credit card number and I'll buy any helmet you approve of.
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Re: Out dated helmets
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11/19/19 09:30 PM
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who pays the increased Insurance rates because of a track injury As a result of someone injured in a race (for which he already waived litigation) due to his own negligence? He won't get a dime, and you won't pay for it.
That was the "legal" argument giving the Federal government the right to lock you up for... not wearing your seat belt. Remind me - where does this appear in the Constitution? Trick question: it doesn't.
Very simple: you're responsible for your own life, but not mine, unless you want to pay for it. Give me your credit card number and I'll buy any helmet you approve of. Please tell me you aren’t out of the loop so far that you don’t think track injuries affect all racers.
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Re: Out dated helmets
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11/20/19 07:48 AM
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Calm down Kenny. My question was out of curiosity to see if yall got hassled at a track (I know yall went to Pageland recently) around here for an older helmet, b/c I never have.
As you know, I haven't raced in a bunch of years down here. In NY, they checked it every time we raced. Helmet, belts, wheel studs, damper was the normal routine. Since I rented the track for the day, the only thing checked was the cash. Lol! Guess I'll find out soon enough who checks and who doesn't. Sorry if I took it the wrong way, Chip.
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: sgcuda]
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11/20/19 09:26 AM
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I've raced at a LOT of the tracks around here. The only things I've ever been checked for was a driveshaft loop, radiator overflow bottle, seat belts, and helmet. When I say checked for...I mean to see if they were actually there. Never checked the actual location of the loop or dates on anything. Most tracks don't check anything. If you have a car, you're good, lol.
Darlington is the most strict...they will turn you away if you don't have long pants and a helmet. They have loaner helmets though. They do require a single layer fire jacket if the car is quicker than 6.50 in the 1/8 I believe. I've run mid 5s in the 1/8 and 8s at over 150 mph in the 1/4 and never once been asked about my cage cert (which is out of date), comp license (which I do have), or the parachute I don't have. Believe me, there are MUCH faster cars w/ way less safety equipment than I have.
Last time I was at Pageland I think I just wrote the number from the gate ticket on the windshield and that was all that was needed to go run.
Some of yall from up north would be appalled at the junk that is allowed to run at tracks down here, but it's all about money. If you turn this guy away b/c he has junk, there are so many tracks down here that he (and all his friends) will just start going somewhere else. There's a reason certain crowds only go to the small outlaw 1/8 mile tracks and never frequent the bigger nicer facilities like Darlington or Rockingham. Some of these tracks are literally a couple strips of pavement at the back of a field w/ a timing system and what looks like a fence.
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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11/20/19 11:19 AM
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Maybe if I only raced 4-5 times a year max it would bother me more but like I said I’m cool with getting over 10 years out of a helmet. I love the diaper I put on my car and the 8.50 cage cert was well worth the price. The seatbelt rule bothers me not so much the price (40.00 every two years) as I sell mine local for 20-25 dollars. It’s more the labor required to change them out especially on my blue Duster.
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Re: Out dated helmets
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11/20/19 06:38 PM
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I got nabbed this year at Norwalk for a two foot section of my roll bar needing a piece of padding. I had removed it sometime ago for some reason and never put it back on. It’s in a really tight spot so I bought a piece of the new SFI rated padding that is now required. You wouldn’t believe the differenc between this and the old pipe insulation we used for years. It is so much denser.
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Re: Out dated helmets
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11/20/19 08:30 PM
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W/r/t your life insurance finds out your safety equipment was in violation of posted rules...and they pin loss of life on it
This is quite possible, "contributory negligence" is claimed to reduce the award value. IMHO an insurance company is likely to use this as a bargaining chip, regardless of what actually happened, and let your lawyer argue that the accident was fatal regardless of helmet quality. The question of "is a helmet that expired yesterday more dangerous than one still legal?" will be fun to watch. These are frequently decided on this basis: "what engineering data and destructive test results were used to determine exactly when a helmet has decayed significantly? (exactly 730 days, not 729)". The surprising answers come back: 1. "we were told..." 2. "we just made it up, after that big donation from the helmet manufacturers" 3. "none ever actually failed from a crash, but we had to say something" 4. "we read about a helmet settlement in Kazakhstan in 1986 from a WW2 helmet, so we made it different"
Wasn't the best best money helmet can buy really helpful to Dale Earnhardt?
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/20/19 08:46 PM
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Wasn't the best best money helmet can buy really helpful to Dale Earnhardt? No, But a lighter, composite helmet like the high end stuff sold now might have made a difference, and a HANS may have actually saved his life. Or is that another useless money making scam dreamed up by SFI? And my advice would be to not tell your life insurance company you drive a race car. They'll dump you so fast, your head will spin.
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Re: Out dated helmets
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/20/19 10:06 PM
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W/r/t your life insurance finds out your safety equipment was in violation of posted rules...and they pin loss of life on it
This is quite possible, "contributory negligence" is claimed to reduce the award value. IMHO an insurance company is likely to use this as a bargaining chip, regardless of what actually happened, Sorry, this position doesn't hold water. Life insurance usually even pays in suicide, with certain restrictions, forget "contributory negligence", that's how most accidents happen anyway.. They don't give a crap how you kicked the bucket. However if its a mega policy, they might exclude car racing in the the terms.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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