Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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35-45-60-70 Blend 70 up to 60 Good for concave chambers like conventional BBC heads. 18 to 26 degree heads, Dart, Brodix ect ect.
40-45-62-72.5 Blend 72.5 up to 62. Works good for chambers that are concave like 15 degree heads.
After the blending, those become 3 angle valve jobs. Yep. With the victor, it’s worse than the LS head. You have to transition from the seat angle to the basically zero degree chamber. The only way you’re going to be able to gain any length on the top angle is sink to the valves. And...... the steeper you make the top angle........ the more you need to sink the valve, if you want that length. Lucky me...
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Brad....... what head is that with the blended bowl and lapped seat?
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Brad....... what head is that with the blended bowl and lapped seat? The first Victor(s) I sent you to prep for me when they came out originally.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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What did it flow like that?
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Aaahh yes...... the original Victor........ The really easy 330cfm std port head.
Those days are gone now....... well, those MP stage 7’s Mancini has should be the same....... while they last.
Might be able to get 330 with a TF240 even easier now though..... or at least as easily.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Aaahh yes...... the original Victor........ The really easy 330cfm std port head.
Those days are gone now....... well, those MP stage 7’s Mancini has should be the same....... while they last.
I didn't buy any of the Mancini clearance heads, considering what I have already. But if I had, we know there's a solid 340+ in the Victor Gen 1 / Procomp clone ==> HEREAnd, yes, Trick Flows make them a tough sell, regardless. EDIT: My apology for derailing the original thread topic...
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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I bought a set of those heads (not from Mancini) from a member on here 5+yrs ago that where ported all the way to the valve seats, not just at the first 1/2 inch into the intake ports like Edlebrock says they made them originally I've had problems with the Hughes offset rocker arms( switch to Harland Sharps after that) as well as the pushrods rubbing on my 400 block with Isky Offset intake roller lifters, my message is I'm not real happy with these heads but I will continue to use them after freshening that motor this winter. I changed that motor out last winter and it has been on a engine stand since then, maybe I can fix the pushrod rubbing problem permanently by removing more material from the heads or using a intake rocker arm with more offset on them
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Gen 1 MW sized Victor, ootb...... tested in late 2008. This head was cast as a full MW sized port. Not a std port head that was opened to MW size.
Lift——-in/ex .100—- 67.4/52.7 .200—-141.3/109.2 .300—-212.5/156.7 .400—-259.2/191.8 .500—-289.9/209.4 .600—-318.7/218.4 .700—-336.0/223.1 .800—-348.3/224.3
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Cab - Even though Edelbrock sells their assembled heads with the box stating "Ready to bolt on", I think the BBM Victors should be labeled "Ready to f*ck with"... possibly with the addendum "Some assembly... and disassembly... and assembly.... and more disassembly...and more assembly required. Repeat as necessary."
You are braver than me. I had one of the first sets of those heads from Edelbrock back when I was writing the BB Mopar book. After playing with those heads for a few weeks I sold them to someone who really wanted them. Those heads looked super cool but nothing seemed to fit quite right. I never did try to use a set and we've never seen an engine come into the shop with those heads on them.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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The flow numbers I posted from 2008 are from one of Andy’s heads.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Remember, my Victors replaced my Stage VIs, which were pretty far from usable out of the box, too. Wish list: - Chapman Stage VI ports - Victor-style extended intake runner flange that uses "regular" intakes for the respective block height - Trick Flow chambers Never gonna happen, so I gotta still "roll my own" for my dumba$$ street/strip junk.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Remember, my Victors replaced my Stage VIs, which were pretty far from usable out of the box, too. Wish list: - Chapman Stage VI ports - Victor-style extended intake runner flange that uses "regular" intakes for the respective block height - Trick Flow chambers Never gonna happen, so I gotta still "roll my own" for my dumba$$ street/strip junk. My easy work around for all that is........ more cubes. Then the bigger heads work just fine.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Those flow numbers are a little bit better than the Indy SR M.W. heads I had and not as good as the ported set of Indy 440-1 heads I got from Al Aquire I didn't have these Eddy M.W. Victor heads flowed so who know what how good they are, I won't buy another set though
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Cab - Even though Edelbrock sells their assembled heads with the box stating "Ready to bolt on", I think the BBM Victors should be labeled "Ready to f*ck with"... possibly with the addendum "Some assembly... and disassembly... and assembly.... and more disassembly...and more assembly required. Repeat as necessary."
You are braver than me. I had one of the first sets of those heads from Edelbrock back when I was writing the BB Mopar book. After playing with those heads for a few weeks I sold them to someone who really wanted them. Those heads looked super cool but nothing seemed to fit quite right. I never did try to use a set and we've never seen an engine come into the shop with those heads on them. Brad is 100% correct with his statement. These heads are a POS really and after having the opportunity/torture of working with them many times I really have to wonder what Edelbrock was thinking? On the flip side I probably know what makes them tick better than most but working for free is something I cannot do any more. These heads can and will make fantastic power (and more torque than competitors offerings) if thee: valve size,shape,type is changed, valve location is changed, chamber shape is changed, port is raised, rockers stands altered/changed etc... I could go on and on. Most don't have the wherewithal to pursue what I have just stated. J.Rob p.s. I should market my best port carved into a Procomp knock off--it flows a whopping 370+cfm with a VERY small CSA. I should buy another casting and finish all eight ports on my CNC and test on the dyno. J.Rob
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