Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
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10/03/19 11:16 AM
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When the scrap guy should up at my shop, I saw some interesting takes on the factory windage tray. One had most of the guts removed and replaced with a HD mesh and the other had curved fins over a perforated base. Of all days not to have a cell phone. They were pretty mangled up and not worth much for testing. Anyone have any pics of their modified trays? What tray??? Mine are all on my junk pile with the rest of the scrap.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
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10/03/19 12:07 PM
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I'm in the middle of a 408 mildly! street driven stroker. I was gonna use the OE tray, it does have very minor to overcome fitment issues, should I toss it? I had heard they need the holes opened up some???
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
[Re: RapidRobert]
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10/03/19 02:08 PM
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In my junk I use a Jeffrey tray (copy of the DC tray) and a scraper. Mr. Jeffrey told me he did not think the tray did much, but our little motors need all the help they can get.
I talked to Kevin (?) Johnson about the tray and he claimed his version of it was worth 17 horse, but would produce no proof.
I have run my motor with and without and never saw much difference. Our tray is just a lengthened copy of a small block tray.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
[Re: Neil]
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10/03/19 03:35 PM
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I would think the stock windage tray would be better than nothing at all, but on my 340 I'm running a scraper and a pan with a side kickout and screen (perforated metal) windage tray. But if I could only choose one of those elements, it would be the scraper.
Last edited by SoCalRacer; 10/03/19 03:38 PM.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
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10/03/19 04:45 PM
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The first question is "for what pan?". Pan depth and shape determine what's needed. As Bill Jenkins said 45 years ago, the best oil pan is 6 feet deep. As pan depth and volume increase, the need for control goes down. Kevin Johnson is a very smart man, I haven't used his products but he makes some great comments on Speedtalk.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
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10/03/19 08:02 PM
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Cab that certainly sounds doable. Thank you.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
[Re: RapidRobert]
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10/03/19 10:38 PM
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what brand do you recommend for a good scraper? Ishihara-Johnson for crank scrapers. Get the Teflon scraper. It runs at zero clearance. I used to make my own. His are much better. Like I said, zero clearance.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
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10/03/19 10:51 PM
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Stock depth A body SB pan as per rules which size SB, 318,340 or 360 motor? The reason I'm asking is some of the oil pans off of the Cardoba body motors are a little bigger(and make more power on the engine dyno) than the stock A body ones are
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
[Re: Neil]
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10/04/19 02:32 PM
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I've just spent at least 20 hours modifying my Milodon windage tray to fit inside my 410 (360+40) new stroker. Very disappointing. It clears the crank (Scat 4.00) without any problem, however, the H-beam rods ALL hit the tray. The louvers needed to be completely ground away, and the radius of the the rod's throw needed to be pounded and re-shaped into the tray. Also, the Milodon mounting 4 main studs needed to be cut shorter by about 7/16" each to clear the Milodon road race oil pan (they will hit the center of the oil pan).
Also, the windage tray needed further grinding to clear the Milodon oil pump pickup tube.
And... the Milodon road race oil pan needed extensive pounding at the oil pump area (Melling HV) as it wouldn't clear the oil pump at the pan's bottom corner radius... so to fit and align to the block and oil pan-to-block bolt holes. I also ground away the oil pump at the specific area of contact (using a Dremel tool). Spent at least another 10+ hours making the pan fit.
Overall, very disappointing with Milodon... their Tech Line phone discussion gave me no fear or cautions to install all of these products.... they should try it themselves.
Last edited by Mopar Mitch; 10/04/19 02:33 PM.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
[Re: RapidRobert]
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10/04/19 04:09 PM
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what brand do you recommend for a good scraper? I built my own from ~.030" steel on the 340, but bought the Ishihara-Johnson scraper (the Teflon inserted one) for my 440.
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Re: SB WINDAGE TRAY
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10/04/19 05:44 PM
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2 projects Early A Dart and '80 F body. Both with 318's. I've heard that the Magnum 318 has a bigger oil pan but cannot confirm this. Magnum engines were never put in passenger cars, only trucks. However, there are some racers running a certain Magnum V-8 truck pan in their Stock class cars with various amounts of "tweaking", depending on the chassis.
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