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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 69B3GT] #270106
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well when i was 17 just few years ago i put a sniper kit on my very mild/stock 360. with the 150 shot it went from 13.9's to 12.35. A wise man once said "it makes the cripple get up and walk"


On another note...probably gears with sticky street tires. there are tons of things that come in to play. whats the combo???

jm


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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? #270108
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hot rod motor 5,000.00
junk 360 and spray less than 1,000 = winner
just pulling your chain, but used tires good investment

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 70AARcuda] #270109
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So about how much of a increase in compression would these .028 gaskets be worth on a 69 318 block with 71 360 heads. I think i'm around 8.0 to 8.2. Is it worth the trouble? Thanks By the way the car runs great !!!! and is very consistant, so I dont want to screw with it for little or no gain.


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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 69B3GT] #270110
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N2O with a set of headers, fuel system, and some carb and timing tweaks will yield tons of HP per dollar spent. Chemical supercharging. I agree not my choice either but you said "cheap"

Expensive? How about alcohol injected, supercharged, tube chassis, four link, fabricated rear housing, glass doors trunk and hood, plexi windows and a lenco.



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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? #270111
03/29/09 08:24 PM
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You are asking for more than just motor combos.
Cut rolling resistance. This means a good front end aligned properly. Make sure the brakes aren't dragging, but will still stop.
ETs are power vs weight. Cut out weight wherever you can.
http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/1968_dodge_dart_wheels/index.html

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/howto/mopp_0609_1975_dodge_dart_sport/index.html

I couldn't find the one where they lightened up a later dart.

Get the engine to breathe. open up the intake and exhaust. Don't go too much, everything must work together.

A converter and gears will raise the RPM the engine works at, giving you more HP at a given vehicle speed. It will decrease MPG and limit top speed.

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: hemisurfer] #270112
03/29/09 08:51 PM
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When I was 18 I found a 1" spacer for an Autolite 2-bbl carb (same flange as Holley) and bolted it to a stock iron intake by drilling 4 holes and using socket head cap screws. It didn't line up real well, so I took a grinder to the intake and laid waste to it. I got a 500 CFM Holley 2-bbl from a roundy-round racer, that hilljack setup was worth about .3 in ET over the stock 2-bbl.

Also a cheapo recurve kit for your distributor, use the lightest pair of springs and ditch the vacuum advance.

Take those J heads that you have and have them milled about .040, spend a weekend with some burrs and sandpaper rolls and clean up all the ports.

Get the cheapest set of $150 1-5/8 headers you can find, buy new and pull them off and repaint with VHT every spring.

Discard every unneccessary piece of street equipment, heater box, radio, horn, back seat, carpet, everything in the trunk. Then get underneath your car with a can of stripper, scrapers, screwdrivers, and steel wool. We took 30 lbs. of undercoating and dirt off of a guy's car once.

That should keep you busy for a few weeks, I'll try to think of a few more.

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: cgall] #270113
03/29/09 08:59 PM
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Many years ago, some guy named McCandless told me the best way to go faster was take weight out of the car. His words were something like "It don't break, it don't wear out and you don't have to work on it" Has been good advice for me.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 69B3GT] #270114
03/29/09 09:53 PM
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Cmon now almost 600 views and barely anyone has suggestions....im open to anything, and yes ive thought about throwing a big block in it but i just think it would bee too nose heavy



Here are a couple of proven go quicker things you can do for next to zero $$$, if you have some basic fab skills. I've posted these before with the results, but I'll do it again for you. First is a fresh air set up. You can do it diff ways, I first made a ram air set up where I attached some round, flexable dryer ducting to an empty air cleaner and ran it down to attach to the bottom of the bumper. This was worth about a tenth and a half over a paper element in a 14" air cleaner assy. I ditched that in favor of a sealed air pan (pic). This was about 28 hun better than the paper filter deal. When made the pan I wanted to test it against the filter AND then against the ram air on the same day in back to back tests. This was the results. This was with my old 360 motor. First pass with paper filter set up was 11.55. Took that stuff off and put the ram air set up on it for pass 2. It went 11.41. took that off and put on the air pan, sealed to hood scoop and it went 11.27. In all of this I spent less than $15. The next "trick" is in next reply.

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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: StrokerPost] #270115
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Here is another thing I tried that cost about 1$. Its an air pan, or air deflector pan that goes from the lower leading edge of the bumper rearward to the K frame, in this case an LRT tubular K. In back to back runs it was worth 4 hun and 1 mph.

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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: StrokerPost] #270116
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a stop sign as an airbox to seal to the sixpack hood


no money needed to do this 11.00s to 10.85 when I had the 440



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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 69B3GT] #270117
03/29/09 10:07 PM
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Well not using N20 is a personal choice, nobody in my family has used it and there have been some fast cars and still are some fast ones. Ive toyed with the thought of it but ill just build some fire breathing monster and try to tear up my buddies aluminum headed small block chevy on a 150 shot....ill just set up the suspension and everything since he is on stock suspension and a stock convertor....ill just have to beat him at the line and not look back





There's 2 ways to build a car.... lots of HP or
make it light.... I've always believed in the latter
because you can go quick and be easier on parts

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 70AARcuda] #270118
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the .028 SB head gaskets are available again..

P4120094 or MR Gasket 1121

same gasket..




thanks. i just ordered a set. i'll change out those fel pro 1008's (.039-.042" thick) sometime and give these a shot

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: emarine01] #270119
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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: ccdave] #270120
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The mr gaskets have a lot bigger bore than the mopar performance ones did or the fel pro 1008 so no significant compression gain from the mr gasket. If however you went from the 1008 to the mopar you could gain around 1/2 point depending on the rest of the combo.

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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: aarcuda] #270121
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if you put some stickers on the car...thats always worth hp too. some stickers are worth up to 50 hp

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: whiskeyrunner] #270122
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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: aarcuda] #270123
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the .028 SB head gaskets are available again..

P4120094 or MR Gasket 1121

same gasket..




thanks. i just ordered a set. i'll change out those fel pro 1008's (.039-.042" thick) sometime and give these a shot





I ordered both at the same time...mr gasket from summit...the 4120094 from Monicatti Dodge...

believe me they are the same gasket, just different package.

the new p41230094 are no longer red like the old ones...must be a new vendor...they are a blueish color.


Tony

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Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 70AARcuda] #270124
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See the air cleaner set ups and the air dam under the car are things im talking about, those are cool and they dont take more then a few bucks and some genius designs, ive thought about those but i cant find a cheap hemi scoop so itll have to wait. So on the air cleaner set ups do you just measure out the bottom of your hood where the scoop is then make a pan and use foam to seal it?

Re: CHEAP SPEED PART SECRETS?? [Re: 69B3GT] #270125
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See the air cleaner set ups and the air dam under the car are things im talking about, those are cool and they dont take more then a few bucks and some genius designs, ive thought about those but i cant find a cheap hemi scoop so itll have to wait. So on the air cleaner set ups do you just measure out the bottom of your hood where the scoop is then make a pan and use foam to seal it?



Basically yeah. here is a pic of the pan on the motor and the whole in the hood just above. I use a bolt on Harwood areo scoop, the smallest they had.

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