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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: closer9] #2684006
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Rockauto shows a couple choices for your 67 Belvedere. 4 ga, has pictures and if you look at the AC Delco cables it gives the specifications.

Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: Sniper] #2684013
08/03/19 11:26 AM
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I saw those, but they are just battery to starter. No solenoid or relay, just a flying lead with butt crimp. That's what I had on there before. Then made my own relay to solenoid and relay to battery. Just thought it would be nice to find one already made correct.

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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: closer9] #2684023
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glad it was an easy find. up
new cables and you are good to go.
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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: closer9] #2684027
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For switch to starter

Delco part numbers

4ST24, 4 ga. 24" eyelet each end

4ST30, 4 ga. 30" eyelet each end

1ST19, 1 ga 19" eyelet each end

1ST32, 1 ga 32" eyelet each end


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Delco part numbers

4BC16, 4 ga. 16" no pigtail

4BC15X 4 ga. 15" with a crimp pigtail

4BC22 22" 4 ga. no pigtail

4BC22X 4 ga. with a crimp pigtail

BC18 00 ga. 18" no pigtail

1BC19 1 ga. 19" no pigtail

Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: Sniper] #2684043
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^^^ noted, thank you!


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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: RapidRobert] #2684452
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Guess I spoke too soon. Replaced battery cables and cleaned everything up. Cold she started and ran great. Drove her around for about 20 or 30 minutes. Let her sit for 20 and she won't start. Starter seems to be really dragging. Guess it's time to pull the battery and starter and have them tested.


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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: closer9] #2684593
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Try another known good battery. Heat kills a weak battery. I've seen them test good and still be the problem.

Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: second 70] #2684600
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I was just thinking about that on my way to work. I just put a new battery in my buddy's Jeep and it's still in my driveway.


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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: closer9] #2685159
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Well swapping batteries didn't help. So, after leaving the door open and seeing the interior lights flicker while idling, figured I'd just start checking everything. Long story short, I pulled the bulkhead connector and yup, melted connector.

I managed to pry out the wires, clean them up and move them to an open slot on the end. So far cold she's starting and ildling nice. Guess I need to consider ammeter bypass/volt meter?

I still need to see how she does on a hot start. Could still have a heat soak starter problem.


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Re: Hard starts. Is this my starter? [Re: closer9] #2689112
08/18/19 03:22 PM
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Fixing the connector helped with the interior lights, but didn't seem to do anything for my hot start issue. I pulled the starter and had it tested at Autozone. It tested good as I assumed it would. I still brought it home and tossed it in the scrap pile. I bought a new (NOT rebuilt) Delco starter for a '95 Dakota. Fit perfect with no mods and WOW!!! I've never had a carbureted anything start this good. I haven't had time to get her good and hot, but just down the road and back, then sit for a bit and she still starts great. Scared me the first time she started so fast. Even on her best days it would take a couple seconds of cranking. Now I literally just tap the key and she's running.

So, since I started this adventure a few weeks/months ago, I've shimmed my distributor, new plug wires, cleaned the plugs and gapped them to 0.045", switched to HEI with Holley (Ford style) coil, GM ignition module, new battery cables, new mini starter, new ignition switch and fixed (band-aided) the bulkhead connector. I still plan to do the bulkhead connector and ammeter bypass, however. Someday I may consider custom gauges with a volt meter, but for now I may just see what I can fit in the ammeter slot.

I am also considering a starter heat wrap...


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