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OK, I am posting this because I truely apprfeciate the people on this forum. As many of you know I am just starting this 38 Plymouth business coupe. I have just bought a drop out 5.7. HEMI from a 2005 truck. I am using FATMAN fabrications for a cross member and may just buy their whole system to avoid issues. I want todrop the front and make it low, but not crazy low. I cant afford to build a 50K hotrod, its not going to happen. This is a project to see what I can do on a small budget. Its not going to be a ratrod, its a full fendered car, It will have the newer 5 speed automatic and be an EFI car. I am having rrbrucea do several artpeices for me for show boards and the shop. He is looking forward to this one because its not built yet. This allows us to use some freedom and experement with different things. Thus far we know for sure that its going to be 5.7 HEMI- Need advise on some different valve covers or painting the plastic ones, which I hate cars is going to be the new Viper "SNAKESKIN GREEN" tHE CAR NEEDS A NAME FOR THE SHOW BOARD??????? I NEED TO DECIDE ON RIMS, TIRES, EXHAUST, Thinking about a side exhaust in front of the back wheel?????? I need to decide on front and real valances and fab work/ look or exhaust cut outs and tail lights, ect. Once we have decided on items, Bruce will do the art work and once its finished,I will build the car to look like the art work????? I am new to the Rod thing, so this is very fun for me. Its going to take sometime to get it done, as I have two in the shop that need to be finished and get out of the way.But I fully plan on buying the paint this srping/summer and getting the inside and jams painted. I am going to fab some stuff into the dash and also fab the 'CHRYSLER FIRPOWER" embossed logos froma set of damaged 392 HEMI valve covers and mod them into the hood or hood sides. I also am considering some graphics on the car, front, sides, ect?NOT sure, what do you think. I am working on a new website that does not have the mopar name in it toavoid conflict with mopar and once its up, I will detail the entire build on there. I REALLY want your opinions on anything!!  In my life, I am into the whole nostalgia hting, gas pumps, coke machines, ect, so these types of cars fit right in any suggestion, wild ideas, ect. PLEASE step up. Gary, (Directsubjection) picked the color that I had never seen until MATS and I instantly fell in love with it. Dave
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Dave wheels are a personal taste thing, you will need to deiced just what you like but in my opinion, I would use 15" wheels but if you feel the need to go larger dont go over 17". that color is great and should look beautiful on that shape car. I wouldn't get to carried away with graphics as that color stands out as is. maybe something subtle like pinstripes. I think the fatman frontend is a good way to go and the 8 3/4 rear works out good too. the 5.7 hemi and 5 speed auto will make the car a great driver friendly car. I would see if you can get some newer rear springs for the rear, something wider than the 1 3/4" stock ones. maybe something from a mini truck(thats what I use) Ron....
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I'd go quasi-old school, wide white and cheater slicks in back on body colored painted wheels with smoothie trim rings and hubcaps....maybe a very subtle pinstripe (blue?) right at the beltline....
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- for concept drawing prior 2 build?
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I went to Google images and grabbed a few 38s for you. Take a look at http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/rodstrace/38/I can't figure out how to change colors, so maybe someone can grab one of those and paint the Viper color on it. I'd go with at least 15s. 14s look lost in the wheelwells. For something vintage, go with steelies with rings and caps, halibrands or American Racing(the new salt flats are tasty), or maybe Radirs if you want something different. http://www.roadsters.com/wheels/Ought to keep you busy with stuff that isn't on the new cars. http://www.kars.com/showcase/halibrand/sprint.htmlhttp://www.radirwheels.com/contents.htmhttp://www.newstalgiawheel.com/wheel_detail.asp?subcat3=1011106The car looks good without the bumper, but I prefer one. I'm also not a fan of the modern engine covers. They sure don't fit into a vintage era either. Best bet is to figure out what YOU like, and see if it all fits into a specific era. Postwar, Mid-50s, Early 60s, 70s Resto rod, 80s Easter egg/billet/dechroming, 90s super smooth, 2000s big wheel, etc. The engine is late, but can be dressed to look earlier and it doesn't show anyway. Most successful cars don't mix and match different eras. You see a postwar bootleg car with billet and it's jarring.
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- for concept drawing prior 2 build?
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All I can say is that I am STOKED to start sketching on this one... sure you want to do that Cuda drawing first? 
NO GO AHEAD AND START THE 38 IF YOU WANT!!!!
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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OK, did some work on the 67 Power wagon and needed to do a lot more but the 38 kept calling out to me.
So I decided if I was goig to build it and needed concept ideas, then I must reassemble it, since I was not the one to take it apart.
So, what ya think, pretty straight car huh!
After I put it back together, finget tight new botls that is, I cut out the 'CHRYSLER FIRE POWER" out of a valve cover, (damaged 392 HMEI set) and do you like the placement? subtle but will be nice-I think, what you guys think???
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scroll down for a few pics.
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another I am trying to decide what to use and what not to use, gas filler, rear tail lights, ect, but I LOVE all the stock stuff, am I nuts, or am I sane, its JUST SO DAMN COOL. I love this car 100 times more than any car I have, yes including the cuda vert. Live these lines, they 'TALK TO ME" Especially later after I have a crown royal or two  Do they make a filler door that will fit on this and look better. The only thing that really needs to be replaced are the running boards. They could be fixed but need some help. Dave
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gas filler hole, what do to with this, do they make a rounded filler neck that will fit this???
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Dave check out hagan for the gas doors
http://www.haganauto.com/fuel_doors_gas_lid_s/5.htm
It looks great mocked up,Dave
you wont have to change to much to have a great looking cars,
they do make LED bulbs for the tail lights. Ron....
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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The stock guage cluster has a space for two 5 inch gauses. Just happend to have two thta are going in other cars for reference. Need to find a bezel if they made a stock one, looks like on fit into this section???? Ron what ya think, can I find one or make one?
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You can make one easily. I'd try to up the dificulty by incorporating the ribs that are one each side.
For the edge, get some brake line, bend it to fit, then trim off the back quarter so it fits flush.
You could do engine turned, Carbon Fiber, Chrome, Leather, or something I've seen on a few lately, the cool stuff they use for guitar pick guards.
http://cgi.ebay.com/TORTOISE-PICKGUARD-M...1QQcmdZViewItem
I'd suggest making it not too shiny though. Seems that when driving east in the afternoon or other times, a reflective surface can be really annoying. You might also want to check the gauges with front and rear glass in at night. Just like older trucks, you can get the reflection off the back glass into the windshield if all the angles line up...
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I liked that firepower idea ever since I saw that Willys..
Hope you left enough material to bodywork the edges!
Gas doors are in the JY and Hagen as Ron showed.
You should do a dead on side shot for photoshoppers. As far back as possible and zoom in so it's more of a side shot...
John, I cut as far away as possible, but there is not much room off of the side of the valve covers. If need be, I will use a drummel and small stone for the edges. I can make it look good enough for who its for.
On the dash, thats a good idea, I was just hoping to stumble into a stock one, which I would think may have the edges in it to match each side?????
I will have to search for one. If I can find one that I can paint and match it and just use it, I would be time ahead, if not, keep those types of ideas coming in.
Do you think the crome piece should be rechromed or blasted an dpainted body color or black, ect?
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Depends on what style you are going for. Billet isn't going to work for a 60s vibe. Chrome fits better with that era. If you are going with a smooth look, bright color (Viper Green is up there ) and a low stance, that's more 90s style. Go with a more modern and monochromatic look. A stock panel with 2 new race gauges will not work for an early look, that also leads toward a more current look. Here's a stock plate. I think with some effort, you could make a nicer one.
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Dave, sit back with a stogie, a shot glass and an open bottle and let this art wash all over you. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showt...r&showall=1PS it's 12 pages, so it loads slow That should get the brain working on what appeals to YOU, which is the true test...
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Dave, sit back with a stogie, a shot glass and an open bottle and let this art wash all over you.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showt...r&showall=1
PS it's 12 pages, so it loads slow
That should get the brain working on what appeals to YOU, which is the true test...
John, good thing you dont ive here, my boose bil and hangovers would rain over me. Yu have it right, sit back and study it, play different music and 'BE ONE WITH THE CAR". Thats my zin.
My thing is this, I absolutly love the stock panel and will find one, even if its just to look at it and say no! I am huge into surf curture(eventhough i outwiegh my wetsuit by 15 lbs  ) AND ANYTHING SURF STYLE IF i CAN MAKE IT WORK WILL BE GREAT ALSO.
I just had a sogie, shorty and a scotch, I am all out, but I do have some crown. So I shall go back out to the shop and do some more studying. Man,. I wish I had a mopar buddy close to here.
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Dave, just a question/suggestion, and if it's not doable or doesn't meet your preference for the car I'll understand, but do you think it's possible to LOWER the headlights on the grille shell as in my revised pic? To my eye the looks of the front end are improved/cleaned up with the headlights lower in relation to the fender...
Bruce, the only problem is that the headlights are actually the end of the chrome piece and the finish panel for that long chrome. I can go out and check and see how it will look and if it will look OK without the chrome pieces on it.
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tri=rib, KIND OF NICE.
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something like one of these--what ya think?? I would be a 15, as I AM NOT into the huge 17 inch wheels.
Dave
Those rims are GORGEOUS!
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Dave, just a question/suggestion, and if it's not doable or doesn't meet your preference for the car I'll understand, but do you think it's possible to LOWER the headlights on the grille shell as in my revised pic? To my eye the looks of the front end are improved/cleaned up with the headlights lower in relation to the fender...
Bruce, I went out and checked it. I could drop it maybe 2 inches, but nothing like it looks i the pic. The issue is that the trim on the side that contains the chrome is a raised beveled trim with that chrome insert and the end piece is the headlight mount, which is the end of that piece and also hold the headlight. I can get almost 2 inches without having to dent or modify the fender to allow it to inset. However, once I lower the headlight, then the trim piece looks out of place as its unfinished and left open at the end.
I will get a pic or two.
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Drat, that's a shame... I don't suppose two inches would be enough anyway. In my PhotoShop I moved them down by half the diameter of the headlight. It's just that with the lights mounted so HIGH on the grille it looks "bug-eyed"... so maybe just slice that feature out of the hood sides and move THEM down too! Hey, it's easy to do in PhotoShop! 
Ya, if thought it would be cool to section the whole trim piece and all and lower it, but then I would have totally chenge the fenders and counter sink them into them and then I am into a ton of work.
I could just use the trim pieces for end caps to the trim and place the headlights on the fenders themselves somehow 
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you get the idea, I like th enostalgia look, but some of these add a modern flare
Its a shame you dont want them in 17's, mustangs have been using 17X8 and now 17X9 versions of those wheels for some time and they are getting relatively cheap. Personally I think 17X8's in the rear of your 38 would look good and with those fenders you would still have plenty of room to put some real rubber on them and not the rubber bands some people are running on modern wheels. Just my 
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you get the idea, I like th enostalgia look, but some of these add a modern flare
Its a shame you dont want them in 17's, mustangs have been using 17X8 and now 17X9 versions of those wheels for some time and they are getting relatively cheap. Personally I think 17X8's in the rear of your 38 would look good and with those fenders you would still have plenty of room to put some real rubber on them and not the rubber bands some people are running on modern wheels. Just my
So, if I went with 17s out back, would 15s up front look wierd!
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17's would look ok, the key is to get at least 5" of sidewall to avoid the "rubber band" look....something like a 235/55 or 215/60R17....
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So, if I went with 17s out back, would 15s up front look wierd!
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Dave,
I would think that 17's and 15's would look fine on that car. The key to me would be the ride height on the front end then you have to figure out how to get the rake or look you want the car to have. Some of this can be adjusted by how much sidewall you have on the tire (how much total height you have in the tire and wheel)
Its a real shame you dont have someone photoshopping this car build then you could get an idea what it would look like 15's front and back and 17's on the back.
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this is how it alignes
If you want to keep the stock headlights and hood, it looks like the lights are going to stay where they are!
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this is how it alignes
If you want to keep the stock headlights and hood, it looks like the lights are going to stay where they are!
Ya, I dont want to start replacing parts that are fine. I will mix the old with the new.
heading out to tackle that tar.
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Is there any reason the trim has to stay where it is? Why not look at lowering the whole length of the trim down, then you can put the Firepower cutouts from the valve covers on top of the lowered trim pieces?
Again, get that photoshop guy doing something visualization for you!!!!
This "PhotoShop guy" suggested doing just that... I was being somewhat tongue in cheek though since I get the feeling that Dave likes the lines of the car pretty much as it is...
I do feel pretty strongly that lowering the lights on the grille shell improves the car's appearance, but it's HIS car, and only HE can decide how much cutting, choppin' and welding he wants to do.
FWIW, the conceptual rendering I'll do for him will involve lots of HAND drawing before it ever gets into PhotoShop for the color and finishing touches...
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Is there any reason the trim has to stay where it is? Why not look at lowering the whole length of the trim down, then you can put the Firepower cutouts from the valve covers on top of the lowered trim pieces?
Again, get that photoshop guy doing something visualization for you!!!!
Yes, because the trim is actually not trim in the hood sides, its molded into the sides and formed into the metal and is not something that can be removed. It must be cut and sectioned down. The headlight end is just a cap that is set to match the molded hood sides.
I will look into it further but right now I am knee deep in tar.
oh and no need to be tongue in cheek, just tell it like it is, I want to know what every one thinks, I just dont want to have to spend a ton of $$$ and countless hours trying to change it up. I need to learn the ROD books as it seems I have seen headlight buckets and different items on there before. I may be able to change it up that way, use the headlight support, cut it flat and fill it and just use it to complete the trim and move the headlight down lower another way.
I will search for a 38 I have pics of that has something different on it. let me see, where is that pic-- never mind found it, its a 36 or so. a lot different.
here is a stock one
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almost there/. NOW, tonights Martini will be to sit and look at the trunk and decide how to build an interior Cigar humidor and martini transporter and fab all that into the back to look COOL!!! DAVE
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/30/09 05:53 PM
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So, if I went with 17s out back, would 15s up front look wierd!
Dave
Dave,
I would think that 17's and 15's would look fine on that car. The key to me would be the ride height on the front end then you have to figure out how to get the rake or look you want the car to have. Some of this can be adjusted by how much sidewall you have on the tire (how much total height you have in the tire and wheel)
Its a real shame you dont have someone photoshopping this car build then you could get an idea what it would look like 15's front and back and 17's on the back.
I don't know for sure on his 38, but my 40 is really pushing it with cop wheels (15X8?). I forget the tire size, but it's to wide to drive.
Unless you can find a narrow 17 wheel and tire, it's going to require cutting. Different size wheels can look okay, provided you have equal or bigger sidewall on the bigger wheels.
They DO look funny with equal diameter.
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/30/09 06:43 PM
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I think I will loose the ribbing, ir metal pieces that run through the dash, fix the drivers side to accept 5 gauges. The piece in the pic is for a console I am doing but you get the idea.
dave,
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/31/09 03:05 PM
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OK, I have two sets of these---hidden hinges, I bought them several eyars ago for another project and never used them. Are they hard to install? Anyone have experience with them. It would allow me to shave the three exterior hinges off of the car and make these doors swing either way____ correct.
what ya think. This one box was opened years ago and I hope all the parts are there, but the second box is sealed.
Dave
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/31/09 03:14 PM
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WHAT should I use for
trunk locks, latches, electric, ect???
door locks handles, shaved or leave original or more modern????
Electric window kit?
What new brake booster and pedal assembly? new or junk yard, what works if I go look in a yard. They are not prcy new, what to look for??
hood latches and hardware??? any suggestion? any luck with certain brands, items? or keep it stock and make them look pretty?
what seat companies or seats do you like that will fit, IE, STREET ROD SEAT COMPANIES OR MODERN SEATS FROM A YARD THAT CAN BE DONE???
What steering columns to consider and
Is Ron Francis a good company to consider getting my wiring from?
what sound deadener do you guys use? I see some self adhesive, what brands do you like.
Dave
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/31/09 07:08 PM
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Dave the car will probably go together and apart a few times before your done, that's just the way it works  "YOU" have to deiced if you want to do the hidden hinges(do the extra work) and then you have to figure out if you want them to open regular or suicide. now when I go with suicide doors I like to make the window go down and reach inside to open the door, I dont like to have poppers on suicide doors because you could have a real mess if the door were activated while driving  and I always make sure befor I put the car in gear that I have the doors locked. you can get a keyfob setup that will alloy you to put the window down and you can open the door only from the inside, that way you could always get out even if you had a dead battery. you also will need to have a way to get power to the battery(lugs like on a race car under the car someplace) so if you have a dead battery you could still get the car jumped and get the windows down. to get to the battery... I hope that was not confusing,I know what I was saying just not sure it reads right and If you were to move the headlights down and do the work to the side panels maybe you could cut out the stock area and replace it with the chrysler fire power or some louvers  just a thought but then you will be making new side panels(more work) it all depends on what your final goal is. AIN'T THIS FUN!!!!!!! you can do whatever you want Ron...
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/31/09 07:56 PM
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Dave, so many questions!! Maybe that's why the yuppies haven't ventured over here!  DISCLAIMER! This is all personal opinion, not THE RULES! Hinges: Look at the cars posted. The Red with Blue flames is the only one without. It's a lot of work, but does look nice. The guy doing the work or paying for it gets to choose. Headlights: The Orange one with flames (notice it's the same car, different flames?) has smaller headlights mounted lower. He also took out the hood bulge, and replaced it with louvers. Trunk lock: Electric is fine. The big 3 all had 'em. Just remember that if the battery is in the trunk, you want MANUAL! See other thoughts below. Door handles: Shave them if you are doing the hinges. I prefer more stock, but as a body guy and the other choices you have made, it would match your build. Electric, same as the trunk, you want to be able to access without power. Street Rodder has a few vendors that sell the solenoids and buttons. Electric windows: Lil John Buttera did a cool deal, he had a remote that rolled down the window, allowing him to reach in to open the door. No outside buttons for the doors (theft resistant). Again, gotta figure out what happens when there is a battery problem. Also, it stinks in the rain. Brake parts: Depends on if you want it up on the firewall (more lumps to smooth) or under the floor (where you need an access panel). Kits both ways, and junkyard stuff too. Best to get something that is easy to find and cheap. You don't want to use a 1971 only E body Hemi booster!  The major rod and Mopar brake guys can size a system for you. I went with 4 wheel disc, vacuum booster and M/C underfloor. Hood latches/hardware: Stock will do or you can go crazy. Inside releases, Hinges that open all sorts of ways, etc. That can wait until you have gotten closer to paint. Seats: There are a few Rod seat vendors. Most are big bucks. To save a few bucks and get it on the road sooner, try junkyard seats. The seat must be selected to make sure you fit and are comfortable, and you have good visibility. Then you mount the steering column! Don't forget being able to lay your arm on the door if that's required! Steering columns: there are big buck billet columns or you can search for a stocker. If you have a few bucks, go for a tilt. After the early eighties, GM and Mopar used the same columns. Make sure you get the key! Also, if you want a floor shift, get a column without the shifter. Wiring will depend on all the other components, but it makes sense to check with the wiring companies to see what they offer normally and what costs more. Ron Francis has a column in Street Rodder each month. Good Info. Sound deadener: The name brand is dynamat. There are others all the way down to stuff you get at Home Depot. Other thoughts: It seems like you are heading toward a modern 90s and newer style rod. Flashy paint, modern drivetrain and suspension, body mods, A/C P/S, PDB, P/W, P/L. Great choice and will fit in well with Goodguys and other big meets. You may not be welcomed with open arms at more traditional meets. That's okay too. If you plan on showing or selling, the guys that buy this type of rod will KNOW and look for name brands. If you have XYZ brand seats, wiring, interior, insulation, wheels/tires, and other stuff, it will be more accepted. It will also cost more. It might even be a little easier to assemble, since these are known quantities that other builders are experienced with. However, there are a TON of little things that will require thought, discussion, modification and maybe even tossing out and starting fresh. That's what makes it your rod. I'd suggest trying to find a bunch of old street rodder magazines and any others you can find. Hit the swap meets or advertise locally (you don't want to ship!) and try to find the guy that's clearing out a bunch. It will give you a better idea which vendors have been around a while, how to do stuff, and how others have done things. You can look at a car you think is ugly, but there will be one little detail that makes you go HMMMM. Or it will have 3 things you will make sure you don't do on yours. 
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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03/31/09 09:26 PM
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Ok, my You really need to make a decision on what era of style your going to be working towards. Sounds like you like the moderen 90s era, which is OK. But, if that is the direction your going, you need to follow it all the way through. You can use the modern drivetrain with any style, but that color will make some things seem strange. Most things like latches, handles, and trim can be replaced with a more modern version that can be matched to each other. When I built my 35, all the handles, latches, lock parts, switches and many other things came off the same car, so everything looked the same. If you start shaving the trim, you need to shave most or all of it. Shaved hinges while still having the door handles and hood trim look goofy to me. Shave the hinges, and door handles but leave the hood trim looks like a guy that couldn't figure out what he wanted. If you shave it, the valve cover inserts might look tacky. I understand there are no rules with these cars, that is why I like them, but a guy ought to be consistant. Another thing to keep in mind, once you get that paint on it, anything not perfect will stand out like a sore thumb. Usually, cars designed by committee are pretty plain, do yourself a favor, look at cars like yours, see what you like, what you don't like, and what you want to spend your money on. www.carnuts.com has a bunch of pictures of 30s Mopars, look at Dodge, Plymouth, Chrysler, and Desoto from about 37-39 to get basic idea of a style you like. In fact, most brands mid to late 30s had the same basic body style as you car. Most styles can be adapted to your car from a similar body style. Gene
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Re: Need ideas-My 38- UPDATED PICS-whatyuthink?
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04/09/09 08:09 PM
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I like these wheels. http://store.summitracing.com/largeimage...41-5765ps_w.jpgI like hotrod black to start with than choose a color. The gages look good and try a tan interior.
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