Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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Cool video I ran across on youtube. I know Koenigsegg uses this on their multi million dollar super cars but it looks like they are working to integrate it into regular cars. I found this video to be very interesting, especially the part where they say the valves control the throttle, no throttle blade! When do you think they will come out with a conversion for my W2 heads? lol https://youtu.be/S3cFfM3r510
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Re: Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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Electric and pneumatic are fairly common on research engines. Fiat uses Multiair, which uses a long base cam profile and can hydraulically control open/closing/lift.
From an efficiency standpoint, the focus is mainly de-throttling to reduce pumping losses at part load, these concepts also help in transient response, as even modern VVT is quite slow.
There are some challenges though, load control is very difficult, because if the valve events are varying by a small amount (1-2 degrees every cycle) the engine will be perceived as rough. Even with Multiair, Fiat was not able to open the throttle completely at low loads.
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Re: Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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Re: Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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I know the pneumatic valve train has been around awhile. It was just interesting to hear all the things that could be done with it.
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Re: Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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That is a ridiculously complex way to achieve 200 some horsepower in a passenger car engine.
A small block V8 would be way simpler, more reliable, and run circles around it for a fraction of the cost.
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That is a ridiculously complex way to achieve 200 some horsepower in a passenger car engine.
A small block V8 would be way simpler, more reliable, and run circles around it for a fraction of the cost. Redneck thinking !!! I guess you missed the part about the percentage increase in horsepower and torque as well as the weight savings.
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Re: Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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That is a ridiculously complex way to achieve 200 some horsepower in a passenger car engine.
A small block V8 would be way simpler, more reliable, and run circles around it for a fraction of the cost. Amen to that.....
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Did any of you guys watch that video till the end?!?, all the advantages to this style valves mean I bet we'll be seeing them soon.....much sooner than you all think.....makes engine shorter, smaller, and simpler and perform much better? This is a no brainer over direct injection......Which IS being used today.
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Shorter smaller, who cares? messed up priorities. THe best looking car have room under the hood. Simpler? electronics vs mechanical? Apparently they think electronics is simple. Better performance? only compared to their other crap, not compared to a Hemi.
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Re: Koenigsegg FreeValve-interesting video
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I believe the f1 engines are using air springs not necessarily pneumatic controls, they just return the valve like a spring normally would with air trapped under the retainer with a traditional cam lobe opening it, it allows less "spring" pressure when RPM is low and increased pressure as the RPM goes up and there is no fatigue or [censored] monic oscillation like metal springs will exhibit.. To the best of my understanding this freevalve thing is an electronic solenoid that opens and closes the valve and so has infinite amounts of lift and duration possibilities in a nanosecond.
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He calls it pneumatic in the video but I see big solenoids especially around 7:40 its very clear so maybe they are using some of both.
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Never say never, at one time the computer controlled fuel injection, VVT and ignition were thought to be way to expensive for the common man. The "cutting edge" '66 VW Squareback I drove in High School had computer controlled fuel injection , it WAS EFI, Not the older mechanical CIS and the computer wasn't hugely capable, but certainly available to the "common man" (whoever that is). I've been wrenching professionally for 35 years now and most of those Techs have been on mass produced cars for decades. It's gotten more refined, that's all. _ Christian Koenigsegg is a genus engineer that has surrounded himself with top notch talent and builds boutique hypercars that are more like automotive erotica than a Toyota Camry or Ford F150. _ It's going to take a LOT more that a 3 year old YouTube clip, some breathless reviews of a prototype by various automotive mags and reports of interest by a Chinese EV company and an startup Swedish company to convince me that it's anything more than an interesting engineering exercise. _All of the major players are spending big money on EVs, not ICEs. _ Still it's not a hill I'm willing to die on, so I'll revise my statement to Highly unlikely to see mass production, no more than 1,000 units per year- which is trivial. If it happens after I die then it doesn't count Warren Johnson advocated pneumatic valve springs many years ago saying that the cost would be less than the huge valve spring bill Pro Stock teams had then and still have now. Pneumatic valve springs are another tech that no one has seen fit to put that into production engines, just a few highly developed race engines. That is only a part of what the FreeValve engine is about, it's Camless, a whole 'nether level above that. Pro Stock race engines don't qualify as mass produced, there are how many teams running PS anymore? I don't keep track, but there can't be much more than 100 PS engines currently running including backups and development.
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