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Re: Good deal in Texas [Re: NachoRT74] #2634298 03/19/19 07:42 AM 03/19/19 07:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,065 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,065 Niles , Ohio	Dosent matter which side the spindles are on.Just as long as the bleeders are up and no interference.I have/had mine mounted both ways.Calipars are just swapped side to side also so they have as said bleeder up.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Good deal in Texas [Re: therocks] #2634323 03/19/19 09:25 AM 03/19/19 09:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 master
NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	Originally Posted by therocks Dosent matter which side the spindles are on.Just as long as the bleeders are up and no interference.I have/had mine mounted both ways.Calipars are just swapped side to side also so they have as said bleeder up.Rocky I'm aware of that! thanks! I don't need it, since my car is factory disc, but just for infomation. With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: NachoRT74] #2634353 03/19/19 10:47 AM 03/19/19 10:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,387 Pikes Peak Country T TC@HP2 master
TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,387 Pikes Peak Country	Originally Posted by NachoRT74 Originally Posted by DaveRS23 I have used the taller spindles AND the offset bushings together on many builds and there was never a problem with the alignment. But stock spindles and stock UCA bushings often will not come in. Talking about this! Locally all mopars have REALLY bad reputation about front end weakness and aligment troubles. So bad, that ppl tends to remove the stock K frame and modify everything needed to install CHEBBY subframes down stock frame rails ( usually 70s Novas &/or small Malibus on A bodies at least ) Some ppl however use to cut the UCA and elongate them by an inch or so get them outer just right an offset bushing. Some ppl have changed the LCA bushing using brass pieces or even BEARINGS on them due premature failures. I have thing this deal is related to oil leaks on engine which damages the rubber &/or tighten up the LCA pivot nut before set the ride height, breaking the bushing out when seting the ride height after tight the nut. Whatever, the question on this is, if have somebody found some problem on frame rails being bent or twisted after all these years causing the aligment issues being the UCA attached to frame rail? Meaning this due the offset bushing existance and now you mention having a similar problem. Need to say locally Mopars have allways abused after all these years. And has being like that since ever! Once again sorry the highjack, but since has being floated out somehow, maybe is time to ask Wow, but I'm not surprised. The mopar design of the muscle car era has always had limitations on caster/camber changes. Other than that. it actually has very good geometry. The frame, upper control arm, alignment angles, and geometry curves are all interrelated. But, a tweak any one of this combination and it will impact all the others. The lack of adjustment range combined with the interdependancy of all the parts could lead some people to thinking that similar year chevy design could be better (geometrically, it isn't, it just has a broader range of adjustment). Ironically, for all the work of swapping in a chevy stub, you could easily to a fraction of the work to add adjustment range to the mopar set up. Most aftermarket upper arms already provide more range. Offset bushing add range. If you really want chevy style range, convert the upper arms to mount on studs and use a chevy upper arm. Add two holes for studs, ream the spindle for the chevy ball joint and a pack of shims and you have a significantly broader range of adjustment. That is much easier than swapping an entire front stub.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: TC@HP2] #2634521 03/19/19 06:43 PM 03/19/19 06:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 master
NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	Originally Posted by TC@HP2 Ironically, for all the work of swapping in a chevy stub, you could easily to a fraction of the work to add adjustment range to the mopar set up. . totally agreed but not enough brain for anything like that LOL. PPl doesn't think, just go for it. Anyway I'm not even talking about some custom requirement for some specific car use, is just about constant fails on front end with regular use.... is not uncommon to see the fronts wheels like this / \ ( on a front view ) on a local old and abused Mopar Last edited by NachoRT74; 03/19/19 06:46 PM. With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: NachoRT74] #2634717 03/20/19 09:24 AM 03/20/19 09:24 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,014 Howell, Michigan H Hemidavey OP super stock
Hemidavey OP super stock H Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,014 Howell, Michigan	I don't mind the hijack...lol. The discussion is good. I'm building my 68 Hemi Dart for Power Tour, its not your average build so your answers help a lot. If anyone is interested in more info? I'm using the HDK Torsion Bar eliminator kit with M body spindles, modified K frame, stock strut bars and looking and 6 piston Wilwood brakes. That brings another question to mind, Wilwood lists a 6 piston 12.8 rotor kit that says its for Magnum Force drop spindles, has anyone tried to put this kit on the M body spindles? I'm 57 years old, build hi performance cars for a living at my own shop. I learn something new EVERY day. Being able to ask questions and share info helps in many ways. At this point the info helps me choose parts before I buy instead of buying / sending stuff back prolonging the process. Thank you all and I hope this discussion helps others too.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: Hemidavey] #2634730 03/20/19 10:10 AM 03/20/19 10:10 AM
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TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,387 Pikes Peak Country	The Magnumforce drop spindles are designed to use the large bearing ,uni-cast (1 pc ) rotors, so yes, the Wilwood discs would swap on to the M body spindles.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: TC@HP2] #2634747 03/20/19 10:52 AM 03/20/19 10:52 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder	my mind remembers a dropped spindle from years ago, that was a fabbed piece of plate steel with a pressed in hub spindle and a welded on tapered bung for the upper ball joint stud. who made those ? it was during the time aspen/volare front K member swaps were invented for 60's pickups.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: Hemidavey] #2634779 03/20/19 11:49 AM 03/20/19 11:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	If you want an impressive brake system that bolts on to the FMJ knuckle and works then skip the Wilwood stuff and put a Viper based system on there. Here is what I have on my Duster.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: AndyF] #2634819 03/20/19 12:48 PM 03/20/19 12:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,014 Howell, Michigan H Hemidavey OP super stock
Hemidavey OP super stock H Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,014 Howell, Michigan	Andy, Looks great! can you elaborate on the individual parts, source of hubs, rotors caliper brackets and mods you did to get the parts to fit? How well does it stop and what are you using in the rear? Thanks

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: moparx] #2634908 03/20/19 05:08 PM 03/20/19 05:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,387 Pikes Peak Country T TC@HP2 master
TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,387 Pikes Peak Country	Originally Posted by moparx my mind remembers a dropped spindle from years ago, that was a fabbed piece of plate steel with a pressed in hub spindle and a welded on tapered bung for the upper ball joint stud. who made those ? it was during the time aspen/volare front K member swaps were invented for 60's pickups. Fatman Fabrications. Yes, they looked like a high school shop project that got a D. Primary market for them was the rod builders and showground cruisers, who used to bolt the FJM subframes into early iron.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: moparx] #2634922 03/20/19 06:27 PM 03/20/19 06:27 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Originally Posted by moparx my mind remembers a dropped spindle from years ago, that was a fabbed piece of plate steel with a pressed in hub spindle and a welded on tapered bung for the upper ball joint stud. who made those ? it was during the time aspen/volare front K member swaps were invented for 60's pickups. Fatman makes those. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: Supercuda] #2635546 03/22/19 11:57 AM 03/22/19 11:57 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder	that's the deal ! i wasn't impressed with those at all. if done correctly, i'm not afraid of welded components, but those looked sketchy at best, and a pressed in spindle did not make me feel good at all. back in the early 70's, ramblers [AMC] had a bolt on spindle disc brake setup that used a 4 1/2"bc. if i wanted to make a dropped spindle, i would look at that setup and see what my mind could think up.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: moparx] #2638174 03/28/19 05:04 PM 03/28/19 05:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,014 Howell, Michigan H Hemidavey OP super stock
Hemidavey OP super stock H Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,014 Howell, Michigan	The circle track guys adopted the Mopar style crew - in upper ball joint a few years ago. Cool thing is that they make the ball joint with various pin lengths, so if you have shorter spindles and want the advantage of tall spindles to improve suspension geometry, swap in a set of longer ball joints! Wa La... check any circle track supplier, Speedway, Motor State for parts.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: Hemidavey] #2638257 03/28/19 09:25 PM 03/28/19 09:25 PM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Wa la.. Do you mean Voila ??

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: Kern Dog] #2638269 03/28/19 09:58 PM 03/28/19 09:58 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Originally Posted by Frankenduster Wa la.. Do you mean Voila ?? That irritates me too They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: A and M body disc brake spindles [Re: Supercuda] #2638398 03/29/19 09:16 AM 03/29/19 09:16 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder	that's pronounced vee OH la ..........

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