Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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At my prior employer when we did the turbo challenger the engineer in charge of it was adamant on using Jegs house brand stuff in black so that's what we did. He disliked the appearance of red/blue. I was against it at first but it wasn't my decision, and after working with it a little bit, it seemed pretty decent. If I wanted cheaper stuff that's probably where I'd look. All I have used on my own garbage is Aeroquip products.
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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I have been buying Fragola fittings for my latest fuel system plumbing project and I was impressed at the fit and no leaks. I saved some money on the fittings but they fit and worked as well as the Aeroquip fittings I have at the rear of the car. Gus
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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06/04/18 10:56 PM
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At my prior employer when we did the turbo challenger the engineer in charge of it was adamant on using Jegs house brand stuff in black so that's what we did. He disliked the appearance of red/blue. I was against it at first but it wasn't my decision, and after working with it a little bit, it seemed pretty decent. If I wanted cheaper stuff that's probably where I'd look. All I have used on my own garbage is Aeroquip products.
on my car 95% of the fittings and braided hose including pre made stainless brake lines is Jegs house brand, been using their stuff foe years and will keep on using their stuff.
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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06/05/18 01:44 AM
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Having some first hand experience in the hyd hose and fitting world in both the industrial and aerospace markets I would say that there is not much difference between the cheap fittings and the high dollar Aeroquip types. Except for true AN or MS spec'd fittings. Nothing industrial is ever qualified for use in the air. There is a good read on Air-Way's website providing a brief history of the AN to JIC fitting. https://www.air-way.com/news/whats-the-d...-air-way-fit-inMost of the companies in the states are using mfg sources with screw machines set up to pump out straight fittings (hose ends and adapters). Forged shapes come from companies such as Brennan Industries and are then machined at centers to be finished off. Hex bar stock (cold rolled or aluminum) can come from anywhere and fed into the screw machines in the states to be "Made in USA". The brand/mfg stamp is struck on the bar stock before machining. A single screw machine could pump out several mfg's parts just by changing the feed. Take a look at the Earls site and even Fragola and look at the carbon forged shape pics. There is a BI stamped on the body. That is Brennan Industries. Based on the info on Fragola's site they run their own screw machines and possible cnc centers (for forged shape machining). Companies such as Parker and Aeroquip have or had production plants in Cleveland, Maumee, and Van Wert OH and pumped out fittings for OEM, Aerospace, and Industrials. That may have changed since I left the hose mkt, but that was back in the early 2000's. And for pricing on AN fittings...the supply chain group I was a part of supplied true AN/MS fittings to the Gov't and even Stratoflex for fractions of what they are going for on some of the aircraft supply sites. And one hex past finger tight is all it should take to seal up a 37deg union.
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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06/05/18 04:23 PM
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There are many things, some very common and simple, easily available to the public and cheap, that once they are certified for and allowed in aircraft facilities, take on new names, part numbers and costs.
Likewise, there are few things that have not been copied appearance wise and dumbed way down quality wise in the far east for an American market that wants their fancy stuff without paying the price.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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01/30/19 06:05 PM
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I want to revisit this because I recently had a little experience with Summit house brand fittings vs Fragola on some #12 line I was putting together, and can give somewhat of a review.
The Summit house brand fittings went together easier than any I have ever seen. They have...I won't call it threaded, but more of a spiral in the area the hose is put into that allows you to very easily twist the hose in place.
Like Aeroquip, Fragola does not have this spiral inside, and the hose has to be very forcibly pushed into place before the end is assembled/it fits very tightly.
During assembly, the Fragola puts up much more of a fight and noticeably crushes the hose similar to the Aeroquip products I have used in the past. The Summit brand does not noticeably crush the hose very much at all, and it goes together very easily. Summit brand does pass a pull test.
In the end, I believed the Fragola to be slightly more trustworthy due to the manner it crushed the hose...and ended up returning the Summit house brand.
The "spiral" inside the summit brand hose ends did seem like a good idea, and did speed up assembly a little. The anodizing was just as good.
I don't make 800 hoses a day or anything, if you do then you'd probably find my post ridiculous...if you're like me and only do a few here and there, maybe this post will help a little........
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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All of the good stuff I've used requires some force or effort to get it together. I've never used any of the cheap stuff, but I would be wary of "easy". Long ago when I started paying attention to the ID of the hardware vs. the hose itself, was when I really started to pay attention to what I was getting.
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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01/30/19 07:51 PM
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I love tim! Racing cost money Son, How fast do you want to go? The painfull lesson of using cheap parts will catch up to everybody. AN stand for Army/Navy so you know that was not built to be cheep.
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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I cheaped out and tried JEGS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,once!
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Re: Inexpensive AN fittings
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01/30/19 10:28 PM
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I use mainly for fragola and XRP but use many Earl's and Aeroquip also. I literally have 1000's still laeft over after plumbing probaly over 35 of mine & my buddies cars over the years. These don't include any of the black hose & fittings that I now use for my car only.
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