Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
[Re: justinp61]
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09/30/18 01:41 AM
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Did it make 771 on pump 93 or 100 race gas? Dont know. No matter the case, hell of an achievment by the builder. And like he said, it makes over 800 if he runs it 8,000. The contest is from 4 to 7500 rpm. Certain limitations cause it was built to suit the rules.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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09/30/18 03:11 AM
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Stock block, stock stroke SB making 800ish is awesome. Who cares if it's on 91, 100, or 116? There's a station by me that has 100 Cam 2 at the pump, so it's pump gas to me.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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I know a guy that has a pump on his nitromethane. Lol.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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Use studs, add bolts, whatever. When what you are bolting it to is flimsy, the benefit is limited. When the mating surfaces are fretted, the caps are dancing around. While i do agree,i also believe a whole lot of times the main isue with maincaps tapdancing in the block comes from detonation and not neccesarily from just to much power,same with most smallblocks that end up pushing a headgasket,sure the 4headbolts per cylinder may not be genius when making big power but the limit for how much compression you can run before pushing a headgasket gets much lower if you also have a problem with detonation,and detonation that starts creating isues is present long before we hear it and it gets catastrophic as in destroyed pistons.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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09/30/18 10:17 AM
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Did it make 771 on pump 93 or 100 race gas? Dont know. No matter the case, hell of an achievment by the builder. And like he said, it makes over 800 if he runs it 8,000. The contest is from 4 to 7500 rpm. Certain limitations cause it was built to suit the rules. I agree.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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Use studs, add bolts, whatever. When what you are bolting it to is flimsy, the benefit is limited. When the mating surfaces are fretted, the caps are dancing around. While i do agree,i also believe a whole lot of times the main isue with maincaps tapdancing in the block comes from detonation and not neccesarily from just to much power,same with most smallblocks that end up pushing a headgasket,sure the 4headbolts per cylinder may not be genius when making big power but the limit for how much compression you can run before pushing a headgasket gets much lower if you also have a problem with detonation,and detonation that starts creating isues is present long before we hear it and it gets catastrophic as in destroyed pistons. I 100% agree... if you keep them out of detonation they'll take a lot more power then people give them credit for.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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We’ll all find out how it compares in a few days.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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10/01/18 01:02 PM
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Think his scheduled dyno time is 11 in the morning on Thursday. They head down to Charlotte tomorrow
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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Don't disagree on the detonation. But. Flat tops - 11.5:1 static compression, C12, run fat enough to color the plugs, 36* timing, 140-150 degrees, old (mild) roller cam, not burning oil, filled to the water pump holes, everything studded...and the caps were dancing.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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I been saying it for years... a magnum block has more meat where it is needed and is at least harder if not stronger iron as well as more consistant castings. I even posted pictures and nobody seems to care, now I cant post pics anymore so you would have to look back a couple years in my old posts. I agree. I went magnum and never looked back.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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I think a lot of guys miss the point of the competetion, it is a contest for engine builders that eliminates the variability of a car, track, driver, all that stuff just to see who knows how to make the most power.
Another way to do it would be use one car and swap everyones engine in it over the course of a few days but conditions could change a lot over the course of a day so even that might not be fair so the dyno competetion seems the best way to compare engine builders to engine builders.
You could also have another contest for car builders, use say 10 of the exact same engines and have car builders build a car to see who can make the fastest car with the same engine.
The engine masters contest is to have a competetion between engine builders plain and simple. Who can make the most power witin given parameters. It compares one aspect of what makes good cars. If you want to see how entire cars compare then go to a race track any weekend and watch em. All the belly aching about "well I dont think thats going to be fast in a real car" is pointless, totally misses the point of the contest. I dont get why thats so hard to comprehend.
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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I think a lot of guys miss the point of the competetion, it is a contest for engine builders that eliminates the variability of a car, track, driver, all that stuff just to see who knows how to make the most power.
Another way to do it would be use one car and swap everyones engine in it over the course of a few days but conditions could change a lot over the course of a day so even that might not be fair so the dyno competetion seems the best way to compare engine builders to engine builders.
You could also have another contest for car builders, use say 10 of the exact same engines and have car builders build a car to see who can make the fastest car with the same engine.
The engine masters contest is to have a competetion between engine builders plain and simple. Who can make the most power witin given parameters. It compares one aspect of what makes good cars. If you want to see how entire cars compare then go to a race track any weekend and watch em. All the belly aching about "well I dont think thats going to be fast in a real car" is pointless, totally misses the point of the contest. I dont get why thats so hard to comprehend.
You totally get it man. Kudo’s to ya. I watch people snipe people at people’s accomlishments that do really cool things in our hobby. Guaranteee this motor would scream in a typical A body
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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10/02/18 07:00 PM
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So is this one of those deals that's going to be on the web?
If so, how do you watch the thing? Is there a link? Do I have to download a bunch of crap or what?
Thanks in advance.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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Gonna call tomorrow and hopefully find out. Pulls are Thursday
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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Gonna call tomorrow and hopefully find out. Pulls are Thursday Thanks. I'd love to watch it if I can.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas
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Gonna call tomorrow and hopefully find out. Pulls are Thursday Thanks. I'd love to watch it if I can. Unfortunately wont be any live streaming. Results will be posted on speedtalk in general discussion. Just got an email back from them.......
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