Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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Actually you can make a SD as wide or wider than a MW (I've done it) and almost as tall. I don't think a ported SD would work better than a PORTED 440-2D Indy though, but a dual plane really wants a bigger carb on a 500" since the plenum is split. The 2d REALLY NEEDS PORTING especially in the lower plenum though, a couple of the cylinders are down somehere around 30+ cfm to the uppers, maybe Ron you might want to try mine now that I've swapped to the 337....but I think you might need larger than an 850 to see Apples to Apples.
My 337 is fully ported with the runners matched. Yes they are cast about 1/2 way between a 906 and a MW.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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If you put a SD intake on that motor, the car will just slow down.
In order to see any gain over the 2D, you'll need the 337....... And even then, I'd expect the differences to be small.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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I dont see any way possible a SD will work better on that engine, in any form.I also think it would be tough to improve upon the 2D, even with a 337, which is an intake I like along with the 2D. With a little work, maybe some extra MPH out of a 337, but boy, it wont be much.The differences seem greater when cam, compression and CI come up from my experience, then the better intakes like the Indy shine a bit more.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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I never ran an unported 337 and I resisted putting it on for years, loving my deep ported 2D. My 517 motor is very comparable to Ron's maybe a 1/2 notch hotter with a few more cubes a low deck and the Chapman heads. But my car is a 70 Charger R/T Dana car so it's also several 100 ponds heavier I'm sure than his awesome 63 B.
Anyway, curiosity finally got the best of me and I sent the 337 over to Larry Smith to work it over, the porting is amazing. So then the 'Scotsman Logic' in me finally said "I have too much $$$ in this hunk of aluminum to just leave it on the shelf! LOL. Anyway I finallly put it on and the response and torque is as good or slightly better but the upper range 4500-up to 6800 redline feels stronger but unless I do a back to back on a chassis dyno and/or the track I'll never really know...I know it's tough to beat a well ported 440-2D on the street though. I'm not sure how Ron's motor revs but this one responds like a comp eliminator motor, it's the first big block Mopar out of maybe 20 over 37 years of driving and racing that I needed to put a shift light on, let's put it that way.
And I agree I wouldn't run a MW ported SD, at best you can get about 320-ish CFM out of the runners and at that point the plenum becomes the choke point, great manifold otherwise though but you need a manifold that can at least keep up with the heads...oh and a bit bigger carb.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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I did not think the SD could go to max wedge size and I also did not think it would be better but I was not sure and knew some of you have run more of these combo's and know more about the SD then me. I have a friend who went to a Victor I believe from his Indy dual plane and his car was close to mine but has more comp. He went from 10.98 to 10.90 with the intake change. He did however switch his 850 DP to a Dominator and dropped to 10.60's and picked up about 3 tenths. But I dont know how he had his 850 jetted and worked. I just keep thinking I should try a single plane and a Dominator on the car one day and spend a day at a T & T. And I think the 337 is about the only single plane I can fit under my hood other then the SD which is not what I want and you all seem to agree on that. Or I could consider trying a Dominator on this intake. I really dont have the money to make any major changes which I dont want to as I do like how well this combo drives and runs. But I have always wanted to try the Dominator and a good single plane just to try. It may not be much if any better but I think it will like the more carb some. My question is will a Dominator fit under my hood on this intake or on the 337 ? This setup is tight up to the scoop botttom as my carb stud now is about 1/4" below the bottom of the scoop. Thank for the replies. Ron
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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Ron...the Holley SD isn't available w/ a 4500 flange, so you'd need the tall adapter to use a dominator carb. With that tall adapter, not sure if it would fit under your hood? I know they make short adapters, but they don't work well at all and wouldn't be worth trying.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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Either the Indy 2D or 337 would need to be modified to allow the use of a 4500 style carb without the use of an adapter. Both for the bolt pattern and more than likely throttle blade clearance.
I have another customer running that same top end Ron is running but with a similarly speced roller cam instead of the solid. He was also running an old school style 850DP.
He called AED and had them build him an HP1000 carb...... Picked up about .2 and 2mph in the 1/4.
I'm not saying you'd see the same thing, just pointing out that some carbs people are running that they feel are working just fine...... Are leaving a fair amount of performance on the table.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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I have an Indy 2D on top of my 512 with a set of Nick Wilson prepped Indy Max Wedges with a solid roller and am doing the exact thing Ron is wanting to do. Larry Smith at Flow Tech just finished porting my 337 intake and opening up to the Max Wedge ports. Also curious, as I'm going to try with the my 1000 AED first, then going MPFI with it.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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I’d be willing to bet you’d get more out of a swap to more carburetor than a either of the single planes you mention, Ron; or really any manifold swap for that matter. You drive your car on the street a lot, so I’m not sure a dominator would ultimately be your best choice. Dom would likely disagree with that, and could likely build you a 4500 that would work seamlessly on the street; but that would be a fully worked and re-calibrated unit.
It just sure seems that the Indy 2D with a good 1000cfm based 4150 would be a tough system to beat on your car. I recently found a way to put an open 1/4” spacer between my 1000HP and the RPM, and blended back the top and divider of the RPM plenum, just trying to get more open plenum area, and my car seemed to respond well to that mod.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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Is the 337 intake taller than the Indy 2D?
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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Every once in a while an old dual plane dominator flange intake shows up for sale. I think it's a Weiand but I don't remember Has anyone ever ran one before? BTW, Hey Ron I will still send you my 1050 QuickFuel 4150 for a couple weeks whenever you want to give it a try Gus
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Re: Holley Street Dominator Vs MP 337 intake ?
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Is the 337 intake taller than the Indy 2D? No, the 337 is probably an inch shorter than the 2D but it has been awhile since I had both in my hands.
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