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Engine, straight or angled #241265 03/02/09 08:45 PM 03/02/09 08:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California C Challenged OP member
Challenged OP member C Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California	Hello to all, I installed a Control Freak IFS in my 72 Challenger. When installing the engine using the brackets and isolators sent with the IFS I found that the engine was at an angle front to rear . I noticed this right away as the sixpack on top made it obvious. If you were to run a string from the center of the engine in the front through the center of it to the rear of the car the string would be toward the left/drivers side. I talked to a guy who has done plenty of mopar engeine installs and was told this is common and that the tranny tunnel is also at an angle . I could swear that when my previous engine was in the car it was sitting in a straght line front to rear . Can anybody verify this. Thanks for your .

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241266 03/02/09 08:55 PM 03/02/09 08:55 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,465 Carson City, NV B babarracuda pro stock
babarracuda pro stock B Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,465 Carson City, NV	What's an IFS? Is the angle up and down or right to left? Is it a SB or BB? All Mopars have the engine offset to the right side. I've owned and built Mopars since 1962 and I don't know what you are asking. Please clarify!

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: babarracuda] #241267 03/02/09 08:56 PM 03/02/09 08:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,717 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,717 North Dakota	Sounds like the typical offset to the right. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: babarracuda] #241268 03/02/09 09:09 PM 03/02/09 09:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California C Challenged OP member
Challenged OP member C Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California	babarracuda, An IFS is an Idependent Front Suspension, similar to the Alterktion. I guess you can say it is right to left. The front of the engine was more to the right than the rear of the engine. I have since pushed the front of the engine toward the left until it was straight to my eye. Not sure if doing so is okay. Hopefully this answers your questions.

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: 6PakBee] #241269 03/02/09 09:15 PM 03/02/09 09:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Sounds like the typical offset to the right. Naw it sounds like he said at a angle? Tranny tunnel is not angled as some have suggested.

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241270 03/02/09 09:16 PM 03/02/09 09:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,327 Glendale, AZ 6 69L78Nova Banned. Forever.
69L78Nova Banned. Forever. 6 Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,327 Glendale, AZ	Sounds like pretty much every RWD Chrysler product Ive ever seen. They are all offset to the passenger side 1969 Nova 454/M21/3.31 Mild mid-11 second weekend cruiser 1994 F150 XLT Super Cab 2WD 5.0/4R70W/3.55 (Daily driver)

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: 69L78Nova] #241271 03/03/09 04:27 AM 03/03/09 04:27 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	you don't mean the engine is tipped over towards one side do you? as in, the top of the engine is closer to the left side than the bottom of the engine, right? you're just talking about how much space is between the block and driver side inner fender vs how much space is between the block and the passenger side fender, right? if so, that's normal. Photobucket sucks

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: 70Cuda383] #241272 03/03/09 01:59 PM 03/03/09 01:59 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California C Challenged OP member
Challenged OP member C Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California	70Cuda383, Niether. What I am saying is that if you stand in front of the car and look down the center of the engine it is crooked. The right side valve cover is closer to the firewall than the left side valve cover. Think of the engine being able to pivot on the oil pan and moving the front of it slightly toward the right side of the car. Hopefully this clarifies my question. Thanks.....Ed

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241273 03/03/09 02:08 PM 03/03/09 02:08 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 990 Norwalk, Ohio sycboi super stock
sycboi super stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 990 Norwalk, Ohio	We all know the engine/transmission offset towards the passenger side to be correct, but what you are describing is in no way correct. The crank centerline should be parallel with the centerline of the car. This is why I bought an AlterKtion, no worries with geometry at all... -Michael SuperBeast An enforcer for the Mopar Mafia!

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241274 03/03/09 02:10 PM 03/03/09 02:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: 70Cuda383, Niether. What I am saying is that if you stand in front of the car and look down the center of the engine it is crooked. The right side valve cover is closer to the firewall than the left side valve cover. Think of the engine being able to pivot on the oil pan and moving the front of it slightly toward the right side of the car. Hopefully this clarifies my question. Thanks.....Ed The right cylinder head is always closer to the fire wall by a couple inches. About a rod width. The motor is always offset to the passenger side a couple inches. But from what I always remembered the centerline of the crank should be perpendicular to the firewall. In other words the front of the valve cover should be the same distance as the rear of the same valve cover from the fender. Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241275 03/03/09 02:11 PM 03/03/09 02:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Dallas, Wisconsin BurntOrange enthusiast
BurntOrange enthusiast Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Dallas, Wisconsin	The driver side is more forward anyway because of the cylinder bank placement in the block.

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenger 1] #241276 03/03/09 02:13 PM 03/03/09 02:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,717 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,717 North Dakota	Quote: Quote: Sounds like the typical offset to the right. Naw it sounds like he said at a angle? Tranny tunnel is not angled as some have suggested. Didn't mean to imply that it's typical to be angled, just offset. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241277 03/03/09 02:24 PM 03/03/09 02:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: The right side valve cover is closer to the firewall than the left side valve cover. This is normal. The right side head is positioned farther back on the block than the left side head do to block casting and cylinder position not being directly opposite each other. As for being offset somewhat toward the right the engin is positioned off center to clear the steering box better for one thing. Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: MoparforLife] #241278 03/03/09 03:36 PM 03/03/09 03:36 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California C Challenged OP member
Challenged OP member C Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California	Oooops, My mistake-I realize the heads are offset. Just describing it as the person who told me it was normal for the engine to be crooked. Thanks for all the replies and for clarifying what I thought to be true. I thought I was . As for my choice of Control Freak over Alterktion you may be right, will have to wait and see.

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Challenged] #241279 03/03/09 06:38 PM 03/03/09 06:38 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California L Lefty master
Lefty master L Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California	Quote: As for my choice of Control Freak over Alterktion you may be right, will have to wait and see. We need updates I've been wondering how well they work.

Re: Engine, straight or angled [Re: Lefty] #241280 03/03/09 08:31 PM 03/03/09 08:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California C Challenged OP member
Challenged OP member C Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Martinez, California	Lefty, My car is quite a ways off from road ready . When I do get back on the road I will post my opinion of the Control Freak.

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