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Anyone interested in these bolt on jackstands as a product? They bolt on with the lug nuts so they are secured to the hub. This allows you to work on the car with the suspension holding up the car. I find them to be very useful on my own cars since it allows me to work on stuff without having to fight my way around the wheels or to wrestle with jackstands under the car. No idea on price but they are just two pieces of steel welded together so they won't cost a huge amount.

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Since the jackstands are built precisely (CNC laser and brake) you can also use them to set toe and measure camber.

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Great idea!!!

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would they be drilled for multiple bolt patterns?

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Could use a tab at the back base to make it stronger at the base in both directions.just some input nothing bad about the product.Looks good!


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I'd be into it. I either use ramps or stands and no matter what I'm doing something is always in the way.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Cant say as i can see the value. You have to jack the car around to get it to the exact correct height to line up the studs, then you cant do any brake or rear axle work.
Easier to just jack the car up and throw stands under it.
Thats just me.


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In all honesty, speaking to a lawyer, I can't see the financial benefit to you is enough to offset the liability downside , unless your product liability insurance is nearly 50% of the cost to the end user. And the end user clearly needs to understand the firmness of the ground plane is the main key to its safe use. Other then that, I would use a set. grin


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Originally Posted By rednuck
would they be drilled for multiple bolt patterns?


Sure that is easy to do. Could put 2 or 3 bolt patterns on them without too much trouble.

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They are more secure than a regular jackstand since they are bolted to the car. As long a person actually tightens the lug nuts the jackstand can't come off and it can't flip in or out. It could flip around if the car got rear ended by another car, but the same force would knock any car off of jacks.

I've used this design for a long time on my own cars, just never turned it into a product. Here is a set I built 20 years ago for my Coronet.

This picture also shows why they are nice to use. The entire area under the car is open so you can slide under it to work. By having the suspension compressed everything is at ride height and the frame is taking the load as it would with tires on the car.

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Cool idea Andy. Is there any side to side swaying?

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I'd be in for some ..

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Originally Posted By B3422W5
Cant say as i can see the value. You have to jack the car around to get it to the exact correct height to line up the studs, then you cant do any brake or rear axle work.
Easier to just jack the car up and throw stands under it.
Thats just me.



Why can't you just jack it up a bit higher than you need, bolt on the stand and then lower it to the ground?

I certainly like the idea and if it's price point isn't out ravenous I'd buy a set, maybe two sets.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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As you recall, I already inquired on FABO if you might be making these, so I'm glad to see there is a positive response here too up Sign me up for a pair!

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I like them, probably shipping them would be the hardest part about keeping the cost down? you make a lot of cool stuff!

These are cool too, with an adjustable bottom for setting car at ride height.

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Originally Posted By madscientist
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Cant say as i can see the value. You have to jack the car around to get it to the exact correct height to line up the studs, then you cant do any brake or rear axle work.
Easier to just jack the car up and throw stands under it.
Thats just me.



Why can't you just jack it up a bit higher than you need, bolt on the stand and then lower it to the ground?

I certainly like the idea and if it's price point isn't out ravenous I'd buy a set, maybe two sets.


You can. Sure. I just dont see the need , honestly. Jack and jackstands work well enough.


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Originally Posted By Forest
I like them, probably shipping them would be the hardest part about keeping the cost down? you make a lot of cool stuff!

These are cool too, with an adjustable bottom for setting car at ride height.


That's an interesting picture. Never seen any of that for sale anywhere. Working around the tires when doing set-up work at ride height can be a PIA.


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I would buy a set. You could put them on scales and would make corner balancing easier. Also you remove the tire.wheel variations.

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I hadn't seen those before but same idea. The adjustment for the lower portion is an interesting idea. That does allow a guy a super quick way to setup a car's ride height for different size tires and wheels. Should be a nice tool for a chassis shop or even a home shop where a guy is trying to figure out the best ride height for a car.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, seems like there is enough interest to make a few sets and put them up for sale.

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Originally Posted By rickraw
Cool idea Andy. Is there any side to side swaying?


No, the car can't move side to side since the plates are bolted to the hubs. You could slide the car sideways if you pushed on it really hard but you would need to be on a smooth surface.

The plates I've built for myself are super solid. I can stand on the bumper and bounce the car to check the spring rate or to see how the shocks are working and stuff like that and the jackstands don't move around. You can't really do that with jackstands under the lower control arms since it isn't as secure.

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