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RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block #2355219
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I have a '74 Charger that originally came with a 318, but PO installed a 440 with original type exhaust manifolds. He did a very nice job with the swap, but RH manifold is just touching the RH inner fender. I don't think he was aware that BB cars had a larger cut out in the RH inner fender when he did the conversion. I would like to open the inner fender up as original, both for original look and for service purposes. Has anyone ever cut out the RH inner fender? If so, what tips do you have for doing this and what problems to look out for? I hope to do this with the motor in, but may have to remove the manifold for clearance.

All input is appreciated!

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: 340clone] #2355230
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I found this and they did it to this one. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post2311885

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: 340clone] #2355365
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I shaved my passenger side inner fender to be flush with the frame rail, welded in steel and painted it instead of doing the full BB cutout. It really opened it up on that side. However, I did this for additional header clearance. Before with the 440, manifolds, stock SB k-frame and the conversion mounts from engine-swaps.com it fit with ample clearance between the manifold and stock SB inner fender. I would want to figure out why yours is touching because it shouldn't. Lots of other guys put 440's in these cars and theirs don't touch either.

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: 340clone] #2355551
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Nice reference in that article! Looks like it would be easier with motor out!

I would also like to know why it is touching as well. Other people have also told me that manifold shouldn't touch. I mean it is barely touching- I might be able to slip a piece of paper in between it and the fender. I am wondering if the RH manifold could be different from stock? PO got them on EBay and were supposedly from correct type of car.

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: 340clone] #2355554
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PO also swapped cross member with one from a real BB car. That I know for sure. He read that the cross member needed to be swapped to accommodate mounting a BB motor. Could that have some effect on the positioning with SB fender?

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: 340clone] #2355579
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As long as he used the correct motor mounts it should be good. I don't know if all the spool type BB mounts are the same. When I got my car the previous owner put the 440 in with the stock SB k-frame and 1976 chrysler 440 motor mounts. It physically fit, however it placed the motor too high and too far reward, they had to hammer the oil pan sump to clear the k-frame. I fixed it with the conversion mounts. Also, the manifolds I was using were regular 440 manifolds, no the hp-manifolds but that shouldn't really matter. I could fit my hand between the manifold and inner fender but it was tight.

I would be concerned about how straight your k-frame is. In case you're not aware, those rubber bushings that go between your k-frame and the unibody are notched and it is those rubber bushings that position and center the k-frame. On mine, and some others I've seen, the k-frame has been rusted through where it's sandwiched between those bushings. Mine only had one bad spot but if you had several and didn't correct it while the k-frame is out, there would be nothing to center the k-frame correctly. Or if those bushings were really hammered out that could cause issues as well.

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: 340clone] #2356073
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Originally Posted By 340clone
Nice reference in that article! Looks like it would be easier with motor out!


With the motor removed, it wasn't hard to cut at all. I spent way more time making the template and transferring it than I did cutting. Anyhow, if you need any reference measurements just let me know. -Trent up


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Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #2356412
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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
As long as he used the correct motor mounts it should be good. I don't know if all the spool type BB mounts are the same. When I got my car the previous owner put the 440 in with the stock SB k-frame and 1976 chrysler 440 motor mounts. It physically fit, however it placed the motor too high and too far reward, they had to hammer the oil pan sump to clear the k-frame. I fixed it with the conversion mounts. Also, the manifolds I was using were regular 440 manifolds, no the hp-manifolds but that shouldn't really matter. I could fit my hand between the manifold and inner fender but it was tight.

I would be concerned about how straight your k-frame is. In case you're not aware, those rubber bushings that go between your k-frame and the unibody are notched and it is those rubber bushings that position and center the k-frame. On mine, and some others I've seen, the k-frame has been rusted through where it's sandwiched between those bushings. Mine only had one bad spot but if you had several and didn't correct it while the k-frame is out, there would be nothing to center the k-frame correctly. Or if those bushings were really hammered out that could cause issues as well.


Thanks! I will check this out. I noticed that the passenger side bushings look almost new, but haven't looked at the driver side. I'll check position and alignment when I get to the car next.

Re: RH inner fender cut out for '73-'74 B-Body with big block [Re: MadMopars] #2356414
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Originally Posted By 340clone
Nice reference in that article! Looks like it would be easier with motor out!


With the motor removed, it wasn't hard to cut at all. I spent way more time making the template and transferring it than I did cutting. Anyhow, if you need any reference measurements just let me know. -Trent up


Any help you could give would be much appreciated! Do you still have a template?







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