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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: ahy] #2358463
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Thanks ahy. Also interested in what you used at the firewall. I have seen the double-sided studs that are isolated by a grommet that look like a nice way to do the pass-through. The MAD electric method just had me cringing. It may work but looked like hell.

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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2358481
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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2358640
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I have to admit I don't have enough electrical knowledge to follow this. I hope I can print this out and bring it to an auto electric shop and have them help me, at a cost of course. Or, just do what T2R9 did with the Sunpro gauge. I don't want to be a hack with the truck either. But his solution seems good.


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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: Mr onetwo] #2358684
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Diagram "B" is the Mad Electric Ammeter by-pass.....

The lower schematic is the parallel circuit method that retains the OEM Ammeter. This was something that has been recommended over the Diagram "B" by-pass by member "Nacho" on another site.

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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2358735
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So as I continue to educate myself on the trucks, I find that 72 thru early 75 trucks had a metal gauge pod frame, so no melting could occur. Maybe that's a good solution for inside the truck anyway. I see some on ebay. Pricey, but I plan on keeping this truck forever.


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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2358741
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Diagram B is exactly what I did on my truck. The volt gauge is just using 12v from the fuse box and a chassis ground.

The Red/Black splice near the ammeter is just the two ammeter wires disconnected and tied to together. Where they come through the bulkhead connector is just removing the connector and using a continuous wire through it. The bypass is just a wire run from the Alt + terminal to the starter relay + terminal.

The mad link above is pretty easy to follow. The key is making good connections. If the wire looks questionable replace it.

Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: T2R9] #2358770
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Originally Posted By T2R9
Diagram B is exactly what I did on my truck. The volt gauge is just using 12v from the fuse box and a chassis ground.

The Red/Black splice near the ammeter is just the two ammeter wires disconnected and tied to together. Where they come through the bulkhead connector is just removing the connector and using a continuous wire through it. The bypass is just a wire run from the Alt + terminal to the starter relay + terminal.

The mad link above is pretty easy to follow. The key is making good connections. If the wire looks questionable replace it.
B looks simple enough for even ME to follow. I like the Sunpro you used too. I read that even the temp controls can melt the plastic pod too. I just bought a metal framed gauge pod on feebay. Ouch, pricey, but this truck is staying with me forever and I love it. Still going to do diagram B like you did. Thanks man.


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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2358775
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Borrowed from mopartruckparts.com

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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: earlymopar] #2361372
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Apparently the lower diagram method is exactly what Mopar did to get around the connector / ammeter melting problem once it was discovered. In other words, this is the factory work around and allows you to retain the stock ammeter and run a volt meter if you want.

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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: earlymopar] #2361487
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Originally Posted By earlymopar
Diagram "B" is the Mad Electric Ammeter by-pass.....

The lower schematic is the parallel circuit method that retains the OEM Ammeter. This was something that has been recommended over the Diagram "B" by-pass by member "Nacho" on another site.

- EM


Yes. Exactly. NachoRT is on moparts too, just doesn't check the Jeep/Truck forum often.

The Parallel Circuit is simply a second wire from the battery, and a second wire from the alternator run in parallel with the original wires.

If you find that illustration confusing, start here -
http://www.heritech.org/cuda/Charge.html
Then you can decide what you want to do.

Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: earlymopar] #2361755
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Originally Posted By earlymopar
Apparently the lower diagram method is exactly what Mopar did to get around the connector / ammeter melting problem once it was discovered. In other words, this is the factory work around and allows you to retain the stock ammeter and run a volt meter if you want.

- EM
Actually, the metal base ones were on the pre late '75 model year trucks. Sometime early '75, in an effort to lighten things more they went to the plastic ones. You have to search for the older trucks to find one of the metal ones to buy.


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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2361853
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Even though he (earlymopar) posted right after you posted that photo, he's talking about the diagrams back in post #2358481 - 08/23/17 08:57 AM.

To be clear, I'm not aware of a parallel wired circuit from the factory. Chrysler normally ran the Battery and Alternator wires to the bulkhead connectors. In some heavy duty applications, they ran those wires through the firewall. This eliminated any possibility of poor connection or higher resistance at the Packard 56 bulkhead connectors.


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Parallel Charge Circuit Wires. Redrawn for clarity.

Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2361879
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Mattax; If I had read with a little more care, I would have seen he wrote diagram frown . My fault. Thank you.


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Re: Disconnecting Ammeter (precautionary) [Re: larrymopar360] #2362031
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No problem. I think we've all done that.. beer

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