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New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? #2328123
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While looking around for oil information I found that Valvoline is one of the easiest brands to check out, as they have their Product Information linked to about anything you can pour.

Another avenue for oil with a sufficient amount of anti-wear compounds is four stroke motorcycle oil. I can't buy VR1 at my local Walmart but I can buy Valvoline 4 stroke motorcycle oil which has zinc/phosphorus concentrations of around 1100. A quart is $4.69 locally. There are other brands but I haven't checked them out. Oil bath clutches in motorcycles seem to need a higher concentration of antiwear compounds than newer automobile engines.

I don't know what the other additives for motorcycle oil do in a 440. Maybe someone else does. Experts?

Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: dogdays] #2328143
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Another avenue for oil with a sufficient amount of anti-wear compounds is four stroke motorcycle oil. but I can buy Valvoline 4 stroke motorcycle oil which has zinc/phosphorus concentrations of around 1100. A quart is $4.69 locally. I don't know what the other additives for motorcycle oil do in a 440. Maybe someone else does. Experts?
I heard that too way back. Sounds good so far (enough zinc/good price). I'm thinking that the guys at www.mototuneusa.com that published "breakin secrets" a VG informative guide on ring breakin that applies to our engines would know (or some other biker sites) if there are any caveats that might be a problem for us.


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Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: RapidRobert] #2328150
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Oil change intervals on dirt bikes seemed very high when I used to ride a few years ago. I would wonder more about how long it would last than if it was capable enough to do the job.

I used either Honda oil or Maxima. The later has been around a long time and has an excellent reputation.

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Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: dogdays] #2328180
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Mobil 1 has two oils for bikes, one for V twins, and the one I use for real motorcycles that have a wet clutch.

Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: 71birdJ68] #2328186
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MC clutches require oil that is JATO rated to keep them from slipping.

Rotella T-4 (dino) and T-6 (synthetic) are JATO rated, easily found, have a lower cost than most MC oil, is used by many DIY maintenance MC'ers and it has ZDDP at levels for older flat tappet cams.

Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: dogdays] #2328360
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You mean JASO - not JATO - correct ?

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Originally Posted By Transman
You mean JASO - not JATO - correct ?


Yes, JASO, not JATO spank

A JATO is Jet Assisted Take Off rocket!

Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: dogdays] #2328392
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Not sure if you're planning to use the oil in a motorcycle or car, but: Yamalube has a really long warranty - longer than any motorcycle - but for their "dino" oils, change intervals are frequent, measured in hours; synthetics can run longer. Not really news, I know. Yamalube runs $8.99/quart for their cheapest 10W40. Not a bargain. For whatever it's worth, the fuel filters on cars are bigger than most MC oil filters, but then of course they carry less oil. Maybe there's some relationship between filtering & change intervals.
Obviously some MC oils have to work with wet clutches, so I'd guess their additive packages differ from automotive/truck oils. I'd guess that's the difference with V-twin oils, which probably also need to cushion better, judging by their heavier viscosity.

Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: dogdays] #2328506
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Why keep beating a dead horse? Several of the oil companies manufacture oil specifically for our old flat tappet engines. Watch out with the new shell rotella oils, the CK-4 rated oils are limited to around 1000-1100ppm of zinc. Some of them are CK-4/SN rated and those are 800ppm.

I like amsoil but there's plenty of other companies in the game. Amsoil's break-in oil has 2265 zinc. Their Z-Rod oil made for our old cars is SL rated and 1440 zinc with an extra additive package or corrosion control during long-term storage. Their dominator racing oil lists over 1500 zinc and isn't even API rated at all. For the one oil change per year I do on my old cars, IMO it's not worth cheaping out and worrying about what I can get at walmart.

https://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbulletin/MotorOil/TSB%20MO-2007-08-08%20Flat%20Tappet.pdf

Re: New Oil Thread Four Stroke Motorcycle Oil? [Re: 71birdJ68] #2328597
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Originally Posted By 71birdJ68
Mobil 1 has two oils for bikes, one for V twins, and the one I use for real motorcycles that have a wet clutch.


Do you mean the bikes that have a separate area and use a specific oil for the clutch?
OR the bikes that use the same dirty oil the engine contaminates??

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