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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2306095
05/17/17 02:29 PM
05/17/17 02:29 PM
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Ottawa, Ontario
L.R Helbling
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72, I know you're trying to help. I recognize that. But you and others are making the same mistake because carburetors were not chosen for specific models. They were chosen for specific engine and transmission combinations. Look at other sources on the web like: http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=55They list my 383 with automatic transmission correctly as having a 4bbl Carter AVS. Even lists the correct number for the AVS. This is correct. If you are dead set on using a parts manual, which is ok but shouldn't be used by itself, go back to the previous posts by Morty et al.. and refer back to the P,C, and D car line. That's the criteria on which my carb was chosen. All Plymouth all Dodge and all Chrysler lines with no conditions which would alter the selection to have a Holley based on heated air or fresh air. If you go to that line, it mentions that the standard 4 bbl carb used was a Carter AVS under reference 114. That's my carb!! At the very least, look around the web at various sites, you'll end up seeing the same thing I'm seeing. After all this stuff we're discussing isn't classified or top secret. It's common knowledge. The problem you and everyone else on here are having is with interpretation.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2306152
05/17/17 04:23 PM
05/17/17 04:23 PM
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Sacramento CA
Morty426
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72, I know you're trying to help. I recognize that. But you and others are making the same mistake because carburetors were not chosen for specific models. They were chosen for specific engine and transmission combinations. Look at other sources on the web like: http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=55They list my 383 with automatic transmission correctly as having a 4bbl Carter AVS. Even lists the correct number for the AVS. This is correct. If you are dead set on using a parts manual, which is ok but shouldn't be used by itself, go back to the previous posts by Morty et al.. and refer back to the P,C, and D car line. That's the criteria on which my carb was chosen. All Plymouth all Dodge and all Chrysler lines with no conditions which would alter the selection to have a Holley based on heated air or fresh air. If you go to that line, it mentions that the standard 4 bbl carb used was a Carter AVS under reference 114. That's my carb!! At the very least, look around the web at various sites, you'll end up seeing the same thing I'm seeing. After all this stuff we're discussing isn't classified or top secret. It's common knowledge. The problem you and everyone else on here are having is with interpretation. You don't see a problem with your link not listing one single Holley four barrel for 1971? Yet Holley 4 barrels are in the FSM that YOU quoted! Yet they are listed in the Factory Parts Manual. Yet they are listed on Broadcast sheets Wow.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: Morty426]
#2306162
05/17/17 04:36 PM
05/17/17 04:36 PM
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Ottawa, Ontario
L.R Helbling
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72, I know you're trying to help. I recognize that. But you and others are making the same mistake because carburetors were not chosen for specific models. They were chosen for specific engine and transmission combinations. Look at other sources on the web like: http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=55They list my 383 with automatic transmission correctly as having a 4bbl Carter AVS. Even lists the correct number for the AVS. This is correct. If you are dead set on using a parts manual, which is ok but shouldn't be used by itself, go back to the previous posts by Morty et al.. and refer back to the P,C, and D car line. That's the criteria on which my carb was chosen. All Plymouth all Dodge and all Chrysler lines with no conditions which would alter the selection to have a Holley based on heated air or fresh air. If you go to that line, it mentions that the standard 4 bbl carb used was a Carter AVS under reference 114. That's my carb!! At the very least, look around the web at various sites, you'll end up seeing the same thing I'm seeing. After all this stuff we're discussing isn't classified or top secret. It's common knowledge. The problem you and everyone else on here are having is with interpretation. You don't see a problem with your link not listing one single Holley four barrel for 1971? Really?1? Are you kidding me? Are your eyes open bud, or have you missed another bus? You don't see the reference for 6125 c-4-AVS for 383 A/T and no other 4 BBL carb including anything from Holley? Yet Holley 4 barrels are in the FSM that YOU quoted! Yes, Holleys came with heated air and Fresh Air. Imagine that. And I provided proof of it too. Yet they are listed in the Factory Parts Manual. Explained. Yet they are listed on Broadcast sheets. Why? Is it because a certain percentage of those collected had fresh air or heated air intake? What about those that didn't? Wow. yeah wow.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2306166
05/17/17 04:40 PM
05/17/17 04:40 PM
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Shoreline, Washington
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Not a mistake here, just the facts, “were chosen for specific engine and transmission combinations” correct, the 335 horse power 383HP used in B & E-bodies in ’70 & 71 came from factory with Holley 4160s. Transmission, N96, non-N96 variants identified by list numbers. The 383 4bbl engine installed into C-bodies had Carter AVS’s, as the factory replacement parts catalogs from the time clearly indicates. The mymopar.com listing you linked does not show any Holley 4-barrel carbs for ’70-71 383 HPs, that is simply not accurate. I suggest you look at other sources for more accurate info that should include the already referenced factory documents/manuals for correct info. The use of Holley 4160s on this ’71 b-body 383HP application has been well documented over the years, a simple search on this forum alone will result with numerus past discussions on this topic, dating back years.
As for the carline codes, fact is, P, D, C, &Y carline codes all refer to c-bodies only period. Not only have I owned and dealer serviced these cars dating back to when they were new, also did a stint in various parts departments selling replacement parts at dealers, trained and paid to correctly interpret the factory parts catalogs. Your repeated interpretation of these codes is flat out wrong.
Wing nut? Another vote here for AMK Products, closest I’ve found to originally used hardware.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: 6bblgt]
#2306169
05/17/17 04:42 PM
05/17/17 04:42 PM
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Sacramento CA
Morty426
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I know '71 Road Runners are often perceived to be "fat , bloated, pigs",  but this is the first I've seen them confused with a C-body  Well Dan you know ALL 383s are the same. They never built a different 383 for an A body vs a B body vs a C body according to LR because he found a incomplete carb list on a website LOL
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: Morty426]
#2306172
05/17/17 04:46 PM
05/17/17 04:46 PM
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New Mexico
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I know '71 Road Runners are often perceived to be "fat , bloated, pigs", but this is the first I've seen them confused with a C-body Well Dan you know ALL 383s are the same. They never built a different 383 for an A body vs a B body vs a C body according to LR because he found a incomplete carb list on a website LOL Had an AVS on the car and one in the trunk.... must be original... geez
68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT
70 Roadrunner 383/4sp Purple/Black VT
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: 72roadrunnergtx]
#2306180
05/17/17 04:57 PM
05/17/17 04:57 PM
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Ottawa, Ontario
L.R Helbling
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Not a mistake here, just the facts, “were chosen for specific engine and transmission combinations” correct, the 335 horse power 383HP used in B & E-bodies in ’70 & 71 came from factory with Holley 4160s. Transmission, N96, non-N96 variants identified by list numbers. The 383 4bbl engine installed into C-bodies had Carter AVS’s, as the factory replacement parts catalogs from the time clearly indicates. The mymopar.com listing you linked does not show any Holley 4-barrel carbs for ’70-71 383 HPs, that is simply not accurate. I suggest you look at other sources for more accurate info that should include the already referenced factory documents/manuals for correct info. The use of Holley 4160s on this ’71 b-body 383HP application has been well documented over the years, a simple search on this forum alone will result with numerus past discussions on this topic, dating back years.
As for the carline codes, fact is, P, D, C, &Y carline codes all refer to c-bodies only period. Not only have I owned and dealer serviced these cars dating back to when they were new, also did a stint in various parts departments selling replacement parts at dealers, trained and paid to correctly interpret the factory parts catalogs. Your repeated interpretation of these codes is flat out wrong.
Wing nut? Another vote here for AMK Products, closest I’ve found to originally used hardware.
I cannot argue with you on the meaning of the P,D,C and Y codes because I have not been trained in using this manual. I was simply using the glossary that explains what these abbreviations mean using the photo that was posted in this forum by another user. In this photo, there was no mention of C bodies at all. The simple fact is that numerous sites list my carburetor as being correct and I do happen to remember what I pulled out of that car many years ago. The intake on that car was untouched. My engine was "not" the 335 HP engine that was available in 1970. It was the 300 HP engine for 71. This is the correct carb. Try the Hemmings dot com site under the Carter identification number page. Have no access right now. It will list both Carters and Holleys for Chrysler and Marine all years under 1971. Tons of info. In only a select few of those, will you actually see models of cars like Challenger, GTX, Cuda R/R mentioned that had special Holley carbs selected. All accurate, I'd think and it's an expansive list and a good one.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2306200
05/17/17 05:59 PM
05/17/17 05:59 PM
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Shoreline, Washington
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Well I don’t need “try” any third-party information sources to verify or rebut my own knowledge and experience on this subject, I’m clear on these facts. Not sure why you discount the factory documentation on this matter so easily, let alone the responses from many other experienced posters here on this current thread. I only mentioned model year ‘70 because it was the first year Holleys were used on the B&E body 383HP application in question, carb model uses between ‘70 and ’71 are very similar. Both years B-bodies with a 383HP, fresh-air or not, manual or auto, left the factory with Holley 4160s.
If you base your position on having an AVS being on your car when you bought it and another in the trunk, consider this. I have personally performed many factory correct and sponsored Holley to AVS conversions back in the day at dealers. Generally, OE Holley versions from the day had a poor maintenance reputation, prone to fuel leaks and in some cases engine fires. Chrysler parts released retrofit kits to the dealers back then for various engine combinations, included correct fuel lines, bracketry, and hardware. Many Holleys were swapped out, as warranty policy in some cases, in the first year or two.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: flypaper]
#2306265
05/17/17 07:36 PM
05/17/17 07:36 PM
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Ottawa, Ontario
L.R Helbling
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a closed mind can be a very lonely place... does anyone have a advil??  Instead of an Advil How about a brand new post? One started by me with a question. What if the question is: is there anyone in the world with a 1971 Roadrunner, 383 with automatic transmission that came factory equipped with a Carter AVS carburator (Any model). If so can you explain, why you think it is original to the car. if someone responds yes and has a build sheet, which I don't. Would that do it? Something tells me you people still wouldn't believe it.
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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2306311
05/17/17 09:01 PM
05/17/17 09:01 PM
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a closed mind can be a very lonely place... does anyone have a advil?? Instead of an Advil How about a brand new post? One started by me with a question. What if the question is: is there anyone in the world with a 1971 Roadrunner, 383 with automatic transmission that came factory equipped with a Carter AVS carburator (Any model). If so can you explain, why you think it is original to the car. if someone responds yes and has a build sheet, which I don't. Would that do it? Something tells me you people still wouldn't believe it. i really want to believe you but if you go back to my last post on this thread i asked a very simple easy peasy question that i got immediately from reading your link that you provided that you say proves your claim. my question was ignored  it might give you a clue towards the correct answer  and why i said i want to believe you is my mind is wide open as i'm far from any expert but so far all you have provided is opinion..
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