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Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. #2304333
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I'm looking for OE or exact repro for a 1971 383 air Grabber set up. have no idea what the wing nut looks like. What's the thread pitch for the piece of threaded rod connecting the carburetor to the cleaner lid? If it's 1/4-20, I'm looking for OE/ repro, if it's another pitch, I'll have to jury rig something because I'm using an Edlebrock 1407 carb but using the original Air Grabber baseplate so the rod has to fit through the brace that goes across the centre of the baseplate.

Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2304355
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Give Frank Baldason a call, he has the most accurate stuff around. I think whatever you find it will fit the Edlebrock, even though a Holley was used from the factory.

Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2304421
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Who's Frank Baldason and how do I reach him? Actually carter AVS was used from the factory but I get your meaning.

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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
Who's Frank Baldason and how do I reach him? Actually carter AVS was used from the factory but I get your meaning.


http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/Frank/Frank-Badalson-Home/

I thought the 383 cars used a Holley and the 440 cars used a Carter?


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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2304457
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Steve, thanks for the link. I left a message on his website. 1971 Roadrunners all used various Carter carbs except for the 440 + 6. That one used 3 different 2 bbl Holley carbs. The original factory carb on my car was the Carter AVS 6125S. Thanks

Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2304472
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...and, I also should include Holley R-6193A and R-4735a were both used on 383 Roadrunners with "fresh Air Intake" systems. I guess that means the Air Grabber hood option.

and Holley R-6191A and R-4668A were both used on 383 Roadrunners with "heated air intake" systems. Not sure what that means unless they are talking about a hot air stove before the air cleaner.

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I would call Frank tomorrow, he's really busy, so I don't know how a call back would work.

Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: 71birdJ68] #2304594
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www.littledetroitrestorations.com has them in stock check out website.

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ALL 1971 383 Road Runners had HOLLEY carbs when new!

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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
ALL 1971 383 Road Runners had HOLLEY carbs when new!


Not according to the factory service manual.

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The wing nuts can be purchased directly from AMK Products out of Winchester, VA. This is the place that provides the hardware to many of the vendors. They do have a $30 minimum order, but it does not take much to put together an order as they have so many pieces once you start to looking at their inventory.
If you are really wanting 100% correct wing nuts, you will need to find originals. The reproductions are close and most people do not know what to look for, but the originals do not have the radius that the reproductions have.


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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2304795
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Understood. I've contacted a couple of vendors and they give the impression that they're too busy to talk which is good for them but not so good for me. I'm going to see if I can source the part locally from auto restoration garages that I'm familiar with around here. Most of the vendors on Ebay want an average of $36 US for shipping so it's not cost effective for me right now especially considering that we are talking about a $2.50 part. Also, I'm not really looking for anything to combine on an order. Thanks for your info. If I can't find a good looking wing nut, I'll defer the problem till later.

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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
ALL 1971 383 Road Runners had HOLLEY carbs when new!


Not according to the factory service manual.


Beware that the Service manual doesn't tell you what came with what. Your broadcast sheet does. Do you have one?

It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that your car came with a Carter.

Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: Morty426] #2305068
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Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
ALL 1971 383 Road Runners had HOLLEY carbs when new!


Not according to the factory service manual.


Beware that the Service manual doesn't tell you what came with what. Your broadcast sheet does. Do you have one?

It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that your car came with a Carter.


No broadcast sheet was ever found with my car. The FSM does indicate what engines that came with what transmission was married up to a specific carb. All you have to know is what engine/tranny combo were available with your particular year/make/model and you will know what carburetor belongs on the car for a specific combo. That is on your fender tag. Broadcast sheets are nice to have but you don't need them to find that out. Various sources on the web suggest that 1971 Roadrunners had more Carters in them than Holleys and the exceptions to that rule I've already mentioned in this thread. My car originally came with a Carter AVS because it came standard with a 383 and 727 auto trans. The FSM backs that up. The Air Grabber hood though, is a completely different story.

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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
ALL 1971 383 Road Runners had HOLLEY carbs when new!


Not according to the factory service manual.


Beware that the Service manual doesn't tell you what came with what. Your broadcast sheet does. Do you have one?

It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that your car came with a Carter.


No broadcast sheet was ever found with my car. The FSM does indicate what engines that came with what transmission was married up to a specific carb. All you have to know is what engine/tranny combo were available with your particular year/make/model and you will know what carburetor belongs on the car for a specific combo. That is on your fender tag. Broadcast sheets are nice to have but you don't need them to find that out. Various sources on the web suggest that 1971 Roadrunners had more Carters in them than Holleys and the exceptions to that rule I've already mentioned in this thread. My car originally came with a Carter AVS because it came standard with a 383 and 727 auto trans. The FSM backs that up. The Air Grabber hood though, is a completely different story.


People with a lot of knowledge and experience decoding these cars are trying to help you here. The typical number you see coded on the broadcast sheet for a 383 4bbl auto 71 runner without an air grabber is 30. This translates to a Holley carb part number R4668. Typical sheet number for a 383 4bbl auto with air grabber is 42, also a Holley carb.


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all 1971 E & B-body 383 4bbl engines are orange painted 383HP & they all came with HOLLEY carbs

regardless of what you are comprehending from the service manual & your worrying about the correct $2.50 wingnut? realcrazy

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Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.

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according to the famous little white book written by the original "GURU" to whom you all worship the gentleman seems to be correct about his carburetor #6125 and its listed in the 1971 parts manual. huh? fancy that.

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FOR THE RECORD; the broadcast sheet is information about the particular car or "VIN", not "all " 1971's. however the parts manual lists parts that were available with the motor body style it was optioned or coded for.

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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling

Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.


OK let's see if this makes sense to you.

The FSM is a service manual. It's where you go to find out how to repair something or what the specs or settings are for something. It does not tell you what goes on what. For that they have a Parts Manual.

If you go to the parts manual. It's section 14-30-0. It shows that the Carter is only used on C Bodies. So yes there is a 383 AT Carter in 71 but it was never used in your application. It was used in the 330HP C body application.

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