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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: bdgtfb] #2244341
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I think they were rather glossy. Here is a 5-14-69 M5 wheel that was never installed and I was the first to have the mint redline removed. It was more glossy in person.

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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: bdgtfb] #2244406
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They're gloss black, but the paint was a lower quality bought in bulk by the wheel company. The wheel paint didn't need to be of the same quality as the body paint- even lower quality for radiators,and other painted chassis parts. As far as I know, they were manufactured by Budd Wheels in Cambridge, Ont.

Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: P1970HeMICuDA] #2244451
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M = manufacturer = Motor Wheel Corp. (a subsidiary of GOODYEAR Tire & Rubber)
5 = plant #5 = Chatham, Ontario, Canada (opened in '66, is it still there?)

how are we connecting that to Budd?

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does everyone agree with Big D A12 re the left hand thread wheel lug marking?

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yes, original LH lug nuts were stamped "L"

Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: 6bblgt] #2244533
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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
yes, original LH lug nuts were stamped "L"


And don't forget the "dimple" wink

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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: P1970HeMICuDA] #2244565
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Originally Posted By P1970HeMICuDA
They're gloss black, but the paint was a lower quality bought in bulk by the wheel company. The wheel paint didn't need to be of the same quality as the body paint- even lower quality for radiators,and other painted chassis parts.


I think this is the best explanation I have heard. If you compare the gloss paints of today to the original bead area, there is a difference.

The semi gloss paints of today are a good match to the original finish, regardless of what it was called in 1969.

Good discussion guys. I think we have an answer? I will post a picture later today of the original lug nuts.

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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: bdgtfb] #2244743
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Now you do realize that HOW you spray the paint affects how it looks, right. Thin or thick paint aka amount of reducer, dry light spray or wet heavy coats, hot or cold day, hot or cold paint, humid or dry air, pressure at the gun, Etc.

Painting over bare metal makes the paint look a bit transparent. That is how wheels are painted. Try it at home sometime. Topcoat over primer or bare metal and see the results.

When was the body of a car painted over bare metal at the factory? Not at Chrysler, they were primered and sanded before paint.

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Originally Posted By NANKET
Now you do realize that HOW you spray the paint affects how it looks, right. Thin or thick paint aka amount of reducer, dry light spray or wet heavy coats, hot or cold day, hot or cold paint, humid or dry air, pressure at the gun, Etc.

Painting over bare metal makes the paint look a bit transparent. That is how wheels are painted. Try it at home sometime. Topcoat over primer or bare metal and see the results.

When was the body of a car painted over bare metal at the factory? Not at Chrysler, they were primered and sanded before paint.


Exactly, I agree. Left hand lug nut below.

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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: 6bblgt] #2245356
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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
M = manufacturer = Motor Wheel Corp. (a subsidiary of GOODYEAR Tire & Rubber)
5 = plant #5 = Chatham, Ontario, Canada (opened in '66, is it still there?)

how are we connecting that to Budd?


http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2011/04/03/fond-memories-of-motor-wheel


There were two of the same nuts like it is said above, one with no dimple the other has one. The dimple is what you want to be OEM. Use to have bags full of both threads, used to put them on everything that took a factory steel wheel.


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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: Big D A12] #2245397
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Originally Posted By Big D A12
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
& the "H" wheels were no different than any of the other typical steel wheels (the "cheapness" was across the board) - they were all painted gloss black by the wheel manufacturer

45+ year old "H" wheel between the beads scope


Dan - What plant is this wheel from? It does look more "glossy" than I am used to seeing. The H wheels on A12 cars originated at the M5 plant, so only those from that plant should be used for accurate reference.

D


Have you taken a tire off to compare the inside of the wheel to the outside of the wheel that has been exposed to varying degrees of UV for the last 40 years ?

Paint and how it was applied back in the 60's 70's is not the same as it is now.

I would flatten it so it looks somewhat close to it did back in the day ...


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Re: H wheel gloss level / A12 wheel lugs. [Re: JohnRR] #2245632
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IMO the real reason the '69 A12 Road Runner's and Super Bee's came with 4-15"X6" black steel wheels and no hub caps and that you couldn't order other wheels.......so you didn't have to buy wheels to put your drag slicks of (2) different sizes (diameters) or different compounds. You could spend that money for narrower front rims and tires or a set of custom wheels to put the G-70/15 Goodyear red lines on for the street.




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