For a beginner with the average bracket car they are a BOLT ON
So for guys that have yet to make the journey we all have and have learned to back half cars etc they are a great entry level item that is A Cheap--B--bolt on--C--they friggin work for average Bracket Joe starting out well into his learning year or so
So..do we still want new guys in the Mopar world? Or is it closed to just the "pros that Knows"?
New guys make the world go around and new guys rarely start with a pro level car or for that matter even a back half car so think about it a minute will you
We should want and do need new guys in the hobby---as per any endeavor staring out is starting out and usually means smaller $$ input until one learns what where they want to go with it all
So with that in mind PLEASE don't set a "trap" on here to laugh at and discredit things that have brought many of us a long way and things that would serve a rookie well to get started
Bret Farve does not make fun of high school quarterbacks or college ones that play with good sportsmanship and try hard
Don Garlits is the best racer I have ever known personally and he has been helpful and generous with his time every time I ever spoke with him--same with herb and many more they all understand that encouraging folks is key
Screwing around with them and LOL ing them is just sort of uncool IMO

I think the whole thread has been interesting. Good reading.

I don't know anybody who stated SS springs were magic,

I don't find fault with guys that recommend them for certain combos.
Nor should we unintentionally imply they are stupid for doing so.

They Still have their place and are a good option for stiffening up your rear suspension, Cheap alternative too. As are Clamps and other stiffening enhances. Next step Cal tracs IMO. then ladders then 4 link, then modified extra Fancy Magical 4 link.

Not everybody needs to immediately jump to a 4 Link for goodness sakes.

Nor de we need to Jump to Blowers, nitrous or other power adders because any other way is just a Waste of time for building power.

There Are different levels of builds from mild to wild. Use what works easily and practical for you in those type Applications, no matter where you are on your type build.

Whether its Stock springs with clamps or the Highest dollar 4link latest fad at the moment. Lots of different configurations going on now with the 4 link. Or, the Magical SS springs.

I'm done...........because you and others still apparently don't even remotely get the point I was trying to make. I'd just as soon delete the whole thread and pretend it didn't happen

i appreciate the thread, there is some good info in it.
also i think most guys get your point.

That stuff is at my dads house, but I have no idea where. They moved into the current house about 25 years ago. There is boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of stuff in their attic. Would have no clue where to even start. And when my dad quit racing......he QUIT. Never went to another drag race until the day he died. All those years I raced my GTX. He didn't see it or anything else I drove go down the racetrack one time. He displayed no trophies, no pictures, no hint that he EVER raced. It was weird.

At his funeral, I had the 3 or 4 pics I have of the car on the photo montage they show in the lobby. Several people who had known him a LONG time said "wow, never knew he raced". It's like once that part of his life was over, it was OVER and he never talked about it.

I have posted pics of the car here a couple times, but they were from local tracks. I do remember his favorite photographer was a guy who worked for ND and other rags. His name was Marty Johnson. Marty knew my dad would by every pic he took, so he took lots............but again, I have no idea where they are

Not that I know of Myron. I asked my mom about it one time, because I was rather hurt that he never seemed interested in MY racing career. She said that was in his past and he had put it away, because he knew that if he went with me or started reliving his own glory days, he would want to get back into it. He was an all or nothing kind of guy and knew it would cost big bucks to race like he would have wanted. He hated bracket racing, nor did he really care for the Super Stock Eliminator portion of the show. We never went to a race that didn't have class runoffs, because THAT was what he liked. Being faster than the other guy in the same class. When the tracks that we frequented dropped class racing and went to brackets, he totally quit racing at home. We went to NHRA and IHRA races for about another year to run class runoffs, but when class runoffs became very infrequent, except at places like INDY and the Dutch classic, he parked the car and it never ran again. When they moved from the city, to their house in the country, which is on 40 acres, he basically went back to his childhood. He grew up on a farm and THEIR new farm was what he enjoyed. He built a big metal building, parked all the cars in it, basically never touched them again and slowly sold them off. He got back into guns and farming and never seemed to care about cars again.

Side note.........the black 63 Max Wedge convertible, that has been in some mags the last couple years and won best of show at the Nats for two years in a row, was my dads. The guy who owns it now, bought it from my dad, had a total resto done and has been offered over a million dollars for it. It's a 1 of 3 car and only one known left to exist. Black car, black top, red/white interior, power windows and 425hp motor. 15000 orig miles. Same guy bought an all original 300K from my dad that is a one of one car. It's a 413 long ram 300. Where most had the short intake runners, this was the ONE 300 that was built with the true longer manifolds. It had less than 10,000 miles. He had a barn full of stuff like that and never touched them again after the move. The Challenger race car, he bought new in 70. Optioned as follows. Hemi Orange, R/T, vinyl top, 440 six pack, rally dash, rim blow wheel, luggage rack, tic toc tach, etc. Kept every piece he ever took off so it could be restored. Sold it to a local guy, OR GAVE it to a local guy really for..........$5000. It had 5,000 miles on the speedo. He sold all that stuff dirt cheap. Never seen anyone who was SO into cars and racing just totally turn it off like that. All I have left from the Challenger is the original intake and carbs and air cleaner. Also have center section, trans, converter and the Weiand Six Pack "tunnel ram" intake and carbs that were on it when he last raced it