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Who makes these roller rockers? #2221828
12/27/16 08:59 PM
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Does anyone know who makes these? These are on a turnkey drag car purchased recently, 440 w/ Eddy RPM heads. The former owner was unsure of the rocker arm manufacturer.

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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2221837
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My guess is Indy.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2221839
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Looks like a Crane kit to me.. mine were blue
made for MP to sell
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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2221844
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Cat....
Roller on the shaft

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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2221853
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I agree with Greendart. Looks like a Cat number on the rocker too.

Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: rpagan] #2221855
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Originally Posted By rpagan
I agree with Greendart. Looks like a Cat number on the rocker too.



You are most likely correct. I didn't see the bearing on my first look. But, I can't see [censored] right now as my glasses are junk. Won't be fixed til late January.

Cat and HS are the only ones I remember making a rocker like that.


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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2221858
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I'm almost certain those are CAT. I have two broken sets at home for reference if you want me to confirm. If you need some spares, let me know. I'm not sure I'd ever use them again personally. twocents


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69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2221873
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Thanks for the replies. It's hard to tell if there's a roller bearing in there, but rockers with no load are looser on the shaft than you'd expect with a plain bearing (like Crane), so I think they're rollers. I'll pull them off in the next couple days, as one has a questionable pin on the roller tip. frowwn

I have Harland Sharps on the on my other car and they are beyond reproach.... these just don't seem the same build quality.

MadMopars, I may be hitting you up for some spares....

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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2221926
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Would not run them in my lawnmower


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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2222029
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Originally Posted By SoCalRacer
Thanks for the replies. It's hard to tell if there's a roller bearing in there, but rockers with no load are looser on the shaft than you'd expect with a plain bearing (like Crane), so I think they're rollers. I'll pull them off in the next couple days, as one has a questionable pin on the roller tip. frowwn

I have Harland Sharps on the on my other car and they are beyond reproach.... these just don't seem the same build quality.

MadMopars, I may be hitting you up for some spares....



The 1.5's puked the shaft bearings as seen in the first pic so I replaced them with all new bearings and used them for a bit longer. Later I switched to 1.6's and after 500 miles, the pins let go and ended up breaking several rockers. That failure could have been ALOT worse. Luckily it didn't drop the valves. I contemplated putting the 1.5's back on in a pinch but found a couple of the roller pins were loose on them as well. I won't chance using them again. It's your choice though. If you absolutely need some spares, let me know but it wouldn't be my first choice. twocents

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69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2222182
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It's pics and stories like that, that continue to keep me from using Chinese rockers.

My go to "budget" rockers are the Mancini/Harland's.


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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2222190
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Why do guys get so thrifty on rockers, in general not a personal question, some guy will spend the money on big cubes and buy the cheapest set of rockers found. It's something I've never understood.


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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2222311
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I experimented with the CAT 1.7:1 stainless rockers because I got them cheap. The stainless body and geometry was decent, bit the quality of the adjusters and roller tips were junk, and that was with a hydraulic roller.
Car now has Harlan Sharp rockers, no issues at all.

Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: Iowan] #2222319
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Originally Posted By Iowan
Why do guys get so thrifty on rockers, in general not a personal question, some guy will spend the money on big cubes and buy the cheapest set of rockers found. It's something I've never understood.

I agree...


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In all fairness, the CAT rockers on my motor were probably one of the most expensive parts sadly.

If I still had the 292/509 cam instead of the 296/557, I may have just put the stock rockers back on.

I did buy a new set of the 1.6 Crane Ductile Irons earlier this year but have yet to install them. I'm not sure when or if I'll screw around with roller rockers again. To many disappointments with geometry, strength and cost.


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73 GTX *440*727*8 3/4*
69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
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I went straight from Crane non roller shafts
to TDs and after the first set of Crane rockers
being labeled wrong I havent had any issue with
rockers or the valve train.. up to 9600 rpm
EDIT
I still have 2 sets of the Crane rockers and
3 sets of different TD rockers.. all for SB
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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: MadMopars] #2222890
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Originally Posted By MadMopars
In all fairness, the CAT rockers on my motor were probably one of the most expensive parts sadly.

If I still had the 292/509 cam instead of the 296/557, I may have just put the stock rockers back on.

I did buy a new set of the 1.6 Crane Ductile Irons earlier this year but have yet to install them. I'm not sure when or if I'll screw around with roller rockers again. To many disappointments with geometry, strength and cost.



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Originally Posted By MadMopars
In all fairness, the CAT rockers on my motor were probably one of the most expensive parts sadly.

If I still had the 292/509 cam instead of the 296/557, I may have just put the stock rockers back on.

I did buy a new set of the 1.6 Crane Ductile Irons earlier this year but have yet to install them. I'm not sure when or if I'll screw around with roller rockers again. To many disappointments with geometry, strength and cost.


Since the cam I am using is bigger than that I only foresee disaster. I got the car for a reasonable price, so it's worth it to drop a grand on some Harland Sharps to keep an otherwise good motor together. I've always wondered about those really inexpensive roller rockers... now I know.

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Originally Posted By SoCalRacer
Originally Posted By MadMopars
In all fairness, the CAT rockers on my motor were probably one of the most expensive parts sadly.

If I still had the 292/509 cam instead of the 296/557, I may have just put the stock rockers back on.

I did buy a new set of the 1.6 Crane Ductile Irons earlier this year but have yet to install them. I'm not sure when or if I'll screw around with roller rockers again. To many disappointments with geometry, strength and cost.


Since the cam I am using is bigger than that I only foresee disaster. I got the car for a reasonable price, so it's worth it to drop a grand on some Harland Sharps to keep an otherwise good motor together. I've always wondered about those really inexpensive roller rockers... now I know.


I'd buy the T&D long before I bought the HS rockers.


Edit: and I would tell T&D to leave the bearings out and just run the rocker on the shaft. They will [censored] about it, but they will do it.

Last edited by madscientist; 12/29/16 07:23 PM.

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Re: Who makes these roller rockers? [Re: SoCalRacer] #2222934
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How big is the cam, solid or roller, what spring pressures?


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