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Cubic inches and boost #2204045
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Okay fellas it's time to find a rotating assembly for the Hellcat block. This engine will see boost between 12 to 18 lbs, so it will make some power. ( I hope, anyway lol )

I understand that a boosted engine does not need to be too big cubic inch wise and I figure I have two choices from the Molnar catalog:


3.593 stroke with a rod ratio of 1.7:1 making 377 cubic inches

3.795 stroke with a rod ratio of 1.61:1 making 398 cubic inches


Overlap on the smaller crank would make it stronger as far as I can see, but what do you guys think? Either combination is going to use the " Turbo" rod which is stronger.

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Use what you can still use a 6.20 Rod with IMO. Either of those in that case. The 3.58 could even do a stock Rod length or even jump to a 6.30.


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I calculated these with 6.125 rod. Any reason 6.2 is better? Just trying to understand. Thanks

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Less is more IMO.
Mopar brought the 6.4 down to 6.2 for the hellcat for a reason and I don't believe it's emissions related.
Although I'm new to the Gen 3 stuff but the mains are probably gonna start bouncing with a bigger stroke.

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Originally Posted By hudsonhornet7x
I calculated these with 6.125 rod. Any reason 6.2 is better? Just trying to understand. Thanks

Longer rod= less Rod angle= lower thrust loading of cylinders which can also let the block take more power.


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Thank you gents. Looks like I will be building a 377.

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I'd go for the smaller displacement

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Anybody know the deck height for the Hellcat?

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I would call a couple of piston manufacturers and see what they say about the needed ring pack and pin height required for the boost and cam you want to run. The more boost and the bigger the cam, the thicker the piston, etc. Ditto on the rods and crank. Sonic check the block. Then I would try to bend the ears of a couple of guys pushing these motors hard with boost to see just where the problems come up an how to build the motor to take it. You never know where this project will end up years down the road. Speed is addictive, plan for more boost/hp/cam now inside your budget. I look back at my last drag motor build and know that had I done it differently, I could be pushing 1100 hp instead of 880 hp for a few thou more. Good luck with it.

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Originally Posted By gregsdart
I would call a couple of piston manufacturers and see what they say about the needed ring pack and pin height required for the boost and cam you want to run. The more boost and the bigger the cam, the thicker the piston, etc. Ditto on the rods and crank. Sonic check the block. Then I would try to bend the ears of a couple of guys pushing these motors hard with boost to see just where the problems come up an how to build the motor to take it. You never know where this project will end up years down the road. Speed is addictive, plan for more boost/hp/cam now inside your budget. I look back at my last drag motor build and know that had I done it differently, I could be pushing 1100 hp instead of 880 hp for a few thou more. Good luck with it.



Good advice, I need to get some more info. Thanks!

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Decks on Gen III Hemis are all 6.239". Would love to see a 6.5" version.


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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
Decks on Gen III Hemis are all 6.239". Would love to see a 6.5" version.


Goodness gracious, would love to see how those 6.300 long rods that you recommended would work in such a short deck height lol
But I thought deck heights were as follows:
5.7L & 6.1L=9.252
6.4L & Hellcat=9.284

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No replacement for displacement, I'd go the longer stroke. It's more torque for the same $$. I have a boosted 6.1

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Originally Posted By GTS340
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Decks on Gen III Hemis are all 6.239". Would love to see a 6.5" version.


Goodness gracious, would love to see how those 6.300 long rods that you recommended would work in such a short deck height lol
But I thought deck heights were as follows:
5.7L & 6.1L=9.252
6.4L & Hellcat=9.284
Yeah I was still in rod length land lol! They're not all the same at 9.239". I guess the 5.7 is 9.25" and 6.4/6.2 is 9.284". I figured people swapping 6.4 and 6.1 intakes back and forth, they were the same. Learn something new everyday.

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Re: Cubic inches and boost [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #2204839
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If I use the pistons I currently own, coupled with a 6.200 rod and a 3.795 crank, I will have 398 Cubes and the pistons will be in the hole .0225

Any opinions on this? Should the block be decked for a zero deck engine?

This will be using hellcat heads and I am shooting for a compression ratio of 9.5:1

If I did my math right they will be 9.53:1

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Depends on if it's a Procharger, Magnuson or turbo. That's fine for a Magnuson but I would want more with a turbo. Like 10 to 1. My Procharger will break up a little in the upper RPM with the stock compression of the 6.1 but only in good air. I tuned most of it out with a plug change but the predator only gives you very little adjustment. This is with the 10PSI pully

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Let's say it's a Hellcat Supercharger... whistling


11.6 lbs boost but could go for more. I would prefer to over build the short block since boost can be addictive drive

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That's a Magnuson style, I need to ask what fuel and what's the designated intent. If it's pump gas and mostly street you should be fine.

My turbo big block is 12 to 1 but it's race gas. C-16. It has no detonation at 30PSI

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This will be pump 93. 75% street, 25% strip

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I think your in the ball park, what EFI system?

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