Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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Andy I haven't seen the MW head, so I can't say what they're doing with it but I'm pretty sure they will be casting an intake to go with it....
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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In the overall scheme of things, IMO the TF heads are closest in execution to the old Bulldog heads. The first version of those also had std height ports, but after enough clamering from users they finally changed to a slightly raised/extended runner, eliminating the need for the OE valley pan gasket. Hopefully, TF will follow suit and offer them like that as well. It would just make it a better head.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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My old B1BS heads had an alum. bar bolted under the edge of the intake port of the heads that was milled 45 degrees. The bara also had small threaded holes for allen screws. I still have some pics, if anyone would like to see! Sure............. Here´s the pict. Can´t take credit, as the heads came this way when I bought them.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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Very clever..............
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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The billet valley plates have a taper on the edges since they are designed to fit under an Indy head. When you use them with a standard head such as the Edelbrock or Trick Flow then you end up with a narrow gap between the knife edge and the head. You can fill in the gap with RTV but I think it will leak fairly quickly.
I can think of a couple of possible solutions but I'll have to make the parts myself to fix the issue since nobody else has solved the problem yet. If you do I'd buy a few from you...maybe TF would carry them too! Might work well with their MW head when released! Here is the solution I'm working on. I need to tweak this design a little more and then I think it is ready to try on the dyno. I just made some aluminum "bat wings" which I can then glue a pair of gaskets to. The bottom of the aluminum inner gasket is bent up so it can be sealed with RTV to the valley plate. Should be simple and bulletproof.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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How thick are the new plates?
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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I really dig all the stuff you make. Really. But why would you not just make that a simple factory style tub? Seems overly complex for a simple problem, and much more expensive. Also more leak potential with no upside. Am I missing something? All of this is brought up with the greatest respect... Really.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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How thick are the new plates? I used 0.032 aluminum. So with a pair of the Superformance paper gaskets the stack up is 0.062 which is what I need for this combo. Actually a perfect stackup might be an 0.015 on the bottom and a 0.030 on the top side for a 0.075 total height. I'll have to play around with it a little bit to get a perfect port alignment.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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I really dig all the stuff you make. Really. But why would you not just make that a simple factory style tub? Seems overly complex for a simple problem, and much more expensive. Also more leak potential with no upside. Am I missing something? All of this is brought up with the greatest respect... Really. Sorry, I don't understand your question. It isn't simple to tool up a factory style tub. I already had a valley plate sitting on the shelf so these little bat wings are easy to make. It would be great if someone tooled up a factory style tub for fully ported heads but I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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A single flat piece of aluminum with two bends and port holes. There is no need for the "tub" stamping. The inspection style plates are only needed for heads that hang over the valley surface. I understand that if you have one of these plates, that you may want to use it. I just see a heavier, more complex, more expensive part with more leak potential.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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on the second design, my only concern would be is if you were using a vac pump which I am planning on doing,maybe the rtv and 3 or 4 sheet metal screw's down the center would do the trick,, I like the first design for my application by using an Indy or Mancini center plate with inspection cover, that should seal better with the cast frame and the sheet stock having the break close to the sealing area for stiffness, both would work good if a vac pump were not used.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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Here is the other idea that I'm working on. You can overlap two of these. The overlap area is more than an inch so I'm thinking that a thin coat of RTV would make a pretty good seal. The aluminum is only 0.030 thick so it gets really flimsy in the center but it should work okay for a drag motor. I need this in Max wedge ports!!!!!
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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Why not one piece? make the ports standard size, and leave material around the ports for end user fitment.
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Re: lifter valley plate for trick flows
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Why not one piece? make the ports standard size, and leave material around the ports for end user fitment. Since you don't like his design, why not try building something yourself, instead of complaining about what Andy's coming up with on his own? You already described what you'd like to see made.
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