I have a bunch of low mile original cars - a bunch with Organosol painted areas. The stuff that Badalson sells is as close to dead nuts as you can buy if applied properly. There are not too many people that painted a lot of lacquer back in the 60's and 70's around these days. Painting lacquer is totally unique and what techniques that apply to acrylic urethane, base-clear etc. does not look right with laquer. Original Organosol has suede (for texture) and a tiny bit of metallic in it - it's there, look. Roger did devise an acrylic urethane formula when the original stuff disappeared - it was decent but a little too textured. The stuff Frank found is good and I have used it on an A12, an AAR and a T/A and will use it on a Daytona and a 70 Charger.

BTW - an earlier poster commented on Charger tail panels being flat black and not Organosol. This is 50% correct. The factory engineering shows both paints as an option for the tail panels...I think it may have depended on the plant (state law?). My original stuff also varies in texture from car to car. This is probably because of a lot of different factors - pressure, thinner, temp etc. etc.

As for the person that called Frank a "tool". I could only wish for more tools like him in our hobby - I would fill my toolbox right up with those tools any day. He sells a lot of great paints - he is not a painter. He will tell you he is not a painter. An experienced painter is the only one I would ask about paint compatibility. A lot of people think if they spend 20 bucks they are entitled to 20 hours of information - He has always been generous to the hobby with information on original cars but can't afford to answer hours of questions that many people ask him (and Roger) every day. I myself have kept him on the phone with questions far too long and realize - this dude is trying to run a business and make a living. Enuff said about that - time for a beer!

Tom, please post some pics! I'll have the NOS pint waiting for when you can tell me how to spray my car properly. Thanks again

I never had to ask a paint supplier how to use the products they sell. Any painter which knows about these paints will be able to apply Franks paints.

I have seen his organosol put on top base clear and acr. enamel.

What does this have to do with Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 anyway?

Resurrecting this thread. About to have my hood done.

ANYTHING NEW TO ADD?

I remember the question used to be "what paint was used on the lift-off-hood?" It seems that it's pretty much a fact that it was and is organosol so for those of us that have used the word ORGANOSOL and never really knew what the heck it is here is the definition:

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Main Entry: or·gan·o·sol
Pronunciation: \o&#775;r-&#712;gan-&#601;-&#716;säl, -&#716;so&#775;l\
Function: noun
: a sol in which an organic liquid forms the dispersion medium

1. organosol definition
or·ga·no·sol (ôr gan&#8242;&#601; säl&#8242;)

noun

a colloid consisting of a solid within an organic liquid.

2. organosol [&#559;r&#8242;gan·&#601;‚s&#559;l]
(materials)
Finely divided or colloidal suspension of insoluble material in a suspending organic liquid; known as plastisol when the solid is a synthetic resin suspended in an organic liquid; used for coatings, moldings, and casting of films.
A dispersion of very finely divided resin particles that are suspended in an organic-liquid mixture which cannot dissolve the resin at normal temperatures.

3. Organosol...
A plastisol to which a solvent has been added.

4. organosol
Pronunciation: &#333;r-gan&#8242;&#333;-sol
A hydrosol with an organic liquid instead of water as the dispersion means.


MikeR

Here is the latest revision
Organisol Black Revised 11-2010
DDL9359

Disclaimer: I am no expert, but I am a painter and I have done my fair share of wresting with this paint. I have no experience putting DDL9355 over catalyzed paints as I was taught the arts when lacquer and enamel were all we had. When I paint it now it’s always on a primer or black lacquer surface The problem I see is this lacquer paint needs to be applied wet and thin which means a lot of solvent will try to bite into the enamel or urethane surface it’s being applied to.

You must lay the paint down wet or the texture will stand up instead of lay down and you will have an extremely rough finish that attracts everything.
Paint surfaces horizontal if possible

Use the slowest thinner and add some retarder as well if it is above 80 degrees. If possible use over black primer like DP90

Patience.

Allow surfaces to dry for at least 30 days before painting cover coats. This is important.
Works best painted over a black painted surface
Black DP90 is ok but black paint is better

Put 2 light but wet cover coats of semi gloss black lacquer over colored primers
Allow to dry at least 24 hrs or more before organosoling,

Use a gun with a big tip 1.6mm or larger

Cross coat the large area surfaces in 3 directions –eliminates streaking of texture diag first, short length, long length with large overlapping passes. It must go on wet!

Test spray before committing to car. Practice a little. Use SLOW thinner !!!! Lay on WET!
Patience!!!!! Thin 125%, 150% last 2 coats

After getting full coverage of texture typically 4 coats thin each progressive coat to 150% Use your judgment Think about 6 -8 coats.

Allow each coat to dry for at least 30 min.
Patience.

Texture must cover surface completely-there should be no gaps in the texture. The purpose of laying it on cross coating & wet is to get the texture to lay down flat.

Edge it in with a touch up gun first

Use fine line tape on all paint edge breaks

Do the bottom side of the hood first-part of your practice

Paint all other surfaces at the same time as the top side of the hood.

Across the tops of the fender & across the front header panel be sure to add 1-2 extra coats of Organosol to resist wear of the paint from stones, fender covers etc..

Notes for the pic:
This was real NOS organosol paint.
Just to paint this hood took 4 hours.

Thanks for the update Tom... I was hoping you would chime in!

Also a Hobby painter here,
Tom is right on his suggestions. Currently available thinners will work.
The slowest thinner is DTL 105, I believe..
Sealing the modern paint is critical. Laquer will try to eat into the lower coats and cause all kinds of problems..
On my Roadrunner I used the DP epoxy primer with the textured Laquer on the dash, good results..
For the hood, I used the Concept version of Organisol, (DCC) on top of the clear coat with no sealer it came out looking good as well.
I didnt want to risk the laquer on top of the modern paint.

I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle.

You must lay the DCC on wet just like the regular DDL, with overlapping and cross coating. Then again any good painter always puts the paint down wet...that's the dance.

for someone that was looking for this

MikeR

My buddy at the paint store took a lot of interest in trying to find the replacement for the original organosol. He contacted PPG and they sold me a metalic black from a newer Chrysler product and a can of flattening agent in a kinda paste form. The black metalic flakes were colored, not just the old style silver flakes. It also came with directions as to the amount of agent to be used to get to the desired finish. I don't know that it is 100% they way they left the factory but i am very happy with mine. It is hard to tell which are right but you sure can tell when they are wrong.

My C500 taillight panel was painted with the old batch of organosol that I bought many years ago. The gallon container had never been opened, and the can had been stored in climate controlled conditions. The painter mixed the paint with a shaker prior to opening, and said it looked totally fresh when he opened the can... like it had been canned the day before. He immediately resealed the contents in four one quart cans, using one later to paint the taillight panel.

The lacquer based organosol was applied without a problem:

Over the past few months, I have used Urethane reducer to thin some lacquer based products- results have been excellent on top of Base clear paint.

lots of good info in this thread


MikeR

FYI A12 asked me to add this info to this post so.....

I used something my painter and I found, Planet colors Rugged Tones, Black Texture (Durable/High wear) PCR2 Paint. this pic shows better than their actual paint chart sample which appeared more like bed liner. It's a modern paint, mimics organisol very well, should resist wax, can be applied over the actual paint. For those who want less texture it may be worth experimenting with

An old weathered 1972 Cuda V21 car fender close up