Nylon lock nuts
#2127791
08/08/16 12:36 PM
08/08/16 12:36 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,506 Az
Crizila
OP
master
|
OP
master
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,506
Az
|
How many times can I reuse them? I have a lot of these on my street car suspension that I make adjustments to now and then - caster, camber, toe, pinion angle, etc.
Fastest 300
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Crizila]
#2127799
08/08/16 12:53 PM
08/08/16 12:53 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
Master
|
Master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
|
If they still have good drag to them I will use it... but if you can turn them on 1/2 of the nylon with your fingers... get new ones.. I use a lot of them
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Crizila]
#2127822
08/08/16 01:27 PM
08/08/16 01:27 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,022 MN
JERICOGTX
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,022
MN
|
Where I work, we can reuse them once. After that, throw them away. No sense in reusing something that cost very little, when it's holding a important part of the car together.
69 GTX
68 Road Runner
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Crizila]
#2127946
08/08/16 03:32 PM
08/08/16 03:32 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 25,796 Rio Linda, CA
John_Kunkel
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 25,796
Rio Linda, CA
|
Technically, the decision to reuse a lock nut should be based on a "prevailing torque" test. IOW, the torque required to spin the nut before it starts to clamp the components.
There are charts that show the minimum prevailing torque based on diameter and the type of locking device.
The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: John_Kunkel]
#2127978
08/08/16 04:20 PM
08/08/16 04:20 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
Master
|
Master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
|
To be honest... if its a suspension part that isnt going to be tightened so things move... I'd put a new one on each time... but if its going to be tightened tight then I check them.... I have a drawer of each size of 1/4, 5/16 and 3/8... but on any big stuff or fine thread I have to buy them.. sure isnt like back when I was working
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#2128506
08/09/16 09:07 AM
08/09/16 09:07 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,405 north of coder
moparx
"Butt Crack Bob"
|
"Butt Crack Bob"
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,405
north of coder
|
my opinion on suspension stuff, if unable to use normal nuts with lock washers, is to use the "deformed" style nut, or castle nuts and cotter pins. i usually have to resort to drilling grade 8 bolts for the pin [if used with castle nuts] as well as cutting off of excess thread after i obtain a bolt with the suitable shank length. [no matter which nut is used] i don't like to use a bolt with too short of a shank that lets threads in the pivot area. i realize that those "deformed" style of nuts ruin the bolt threads, but i would rather replace the nuts and bolts during routine maintenance than have them come loose at an unfortunate time. just my opinion and what i feel comfortable with. what i really don't like to see on suspension fasteners is stainless bolts with polished heads. number one, if the head is polished, how do you REALLY know what grade it is, and number two, is the galling tendency stainless has without using something on the threads to prevent that from happening. and even if you use loctite or anti-seize [some even suggest using pepto bismal], there is still a nagging feeling i get that even though it feels tight, did it gall at the proper tightness, or will it gall upon removal and create a real problem removing the fastener[s] ? again, just me.
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Crizila]
#2128520
08/09/16 09:50 AM
08/09/16 09:50 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,022 MN
JERICOGTX
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,022
MN
|
Those "deformed" nuts, are called stover nuts. Stainless hardware has no place in a race cars suspension IMO.
69 GTX
68 Road Runner
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Crizila]
#2128779
08/09/16 04:20 PM
08/09/16 04:20 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
|
How many times can I reuse them? I have a lot of these on my street car suspension that I make adjustments to now and then - caster, camber, toe, pinion angle, etc. IMO nylon lock nuts are too light duty for a race car. I relate them to household use where they won't be subject to much heat and vibration. I reuse them around the house but would not use them on my cars. Metal lock nuts should be used on cars that are higher than grade 2.
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Challenger 1]
#2128879
08/09/16 07:32 PM
08/09/16 07:32 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska
astjp2
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
|
Well all of the airplanes that use them must be light duty? The metal lock nuts are typically used in high heat applications where the nylocks are used in areas that are not subject to rotation. If the bolt is subject to rotation, ie the bolt turns in its application, then you use a castellated nut. How many times can I reuse them? I have a lot of these on my street car suspension that I make adjustments to now and then - caster, camber, toe, pinion angle, etc. IMO nylon lock nuts are too light duty for a race car. I relate them to household use where they won't be subject to much heat and vibration. I reuse them around the house but would not use them on my cars. Metal lock nuts should be used on cars that are higher than grade 2.
1941 Taylorcraft 1968 Charger 1994 Wrangler 1998 Wrangler 2008 Kia Rio 2017 Jetta
I didn't do 4 years and 9 months of Graduate School to be called Mister!
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#2129770
08/10/16 08:31 PM
08/10/16 08:31 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,506 Az
Crizila
OP
master
|
OP
master
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,506
Az
|
To be honest... if its a suspension part that isnt going to be tightened so things move... I'd put a new one on each time... but if its going to be tightened tight then I check them.... I have a drawer of each size of 1/4, 5/16 and 3/8... but on any big stuff or fine thread I have to buy them.. sure isnt like back when I was working All my suspension hardware is grade 8, all big stuff ( 1/2. 5/8, 3/4 on 4 link and front control arms ) and all nylon lock nutted. Guess it's time to spend some $ at www.fastenal.com.
Fastest 300
|
|
|
Re: Nylon lock nuts
[Re: Crizila]
#2129935
08/10/16 11:24 PM
08/10/16 11:24 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 11,563 Fulton County, PA
CMcAllister
Mr. Helpful
|
Mr. Helpful
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 11,563
Fulton County, PA
|
I use G8 SAE thread and nylocks everywhere. No top locks, no lock washers. If the bolt is in double shear, (4-link, lateral link, motor plate with a limiter), and not subject to high stretching loads, I will use a shorter bolt and the short nylocks. Weight. No hardware store, cheap stuff.
Last edited by CMcAllister; 08/10/16 11:25 PM.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
|
|
|
|
|